Trump Undermines Carney in 1st Official Meeting, Leaving New Canadian PM Looking Outmatched

[wavodavo]

2 hours ago, bwanajohn said:

Actually letting Trump blather on is a pretty good strategy...

Doing a deal with Trump is not easy . He has made the first offer now rather than  dismiss it straight away Carney must put in a counter offer and then you go from there as that is just the start but if he just continues to say no deal then Trump will just make it hard for him. See what happened in the U.K. the deal was done  and everybody is happy.

[gamb00ler]

Obviously an own goal by Trump.  blather, blather and extra blather.

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, Social Media said:

Throughout the session, Trump dominated the conversation, speaking at length and making pointed, often provocative comments while Carney mostly watched on in silence. When he did attempt to interject, he was largely brushed aside.

Because of course what actually matters in a discussion between national leaders is who made the most noise for the longest period.
 

As if its ’possession’ in a game of football.

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Because of course what actually matters in a discussion between national leaders is who made the most noise for the longest period.
 

As if its ’possession’ in a game of football.

 

Actually what matters is results.

[NoDisplayName]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Sum num nah Canada, you voted more against Trump than for your own country.

 

 

Same south of the artificially drawn line.

 

America voted more against Harris than for Trump.

 

Same thing happened in '16 when the electorate rejected Hillary, resulting in the first buffoon regime.

 

[RJRS1301]

7 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Trump Undermines Carney in First Official Meeting, Leaving New Canadian PM Looking Outmatched

 

What was supposed to be a cordial first meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump and Canada’s new prime minister, Mark Carney, quickly turned into a public display of political imbalance. Despite a polite opening exchange and an amiable handshake, the Oval Office session on Tuesday ended with Carney appearing overwhelmed and outmaneuvered by a far more media-savvy and aggressive counterpart.

 

Speculation before Carney’s arrival in Washington had suggested that tensions between the two leaders—exacerbated by Trump’s continued use of tariffs and Carney’s anti-Trump campaign rhetoric—might erupt into an open confrontation. But while a shouting match never materialized, the result was arguably more damaging for the Canadian leader: a calm but unmistakable demonstration of his lack of experience on the global stage.

 

Carney had won office in part on the promise of being a more capable international statesman than his predecessor, Justin Trudeau. During his victory speech, Carney accused Trump of trying to “break us, so that America can own us,” and defiantly declared, “that will never, ever happen.” Yet, on Tuesday, seated beside the U.S. president in front of the press, he appeared to retreat from that bold rhetoric.

 

I cannot tell you how absolutely embarrassed I am as a Canadian.
During the meeting
Carney spoke for: 3:18 Minutes
Trump spoke for: 29:47 Minutes
Thank you for letting Donald Trump embarrass all of Canada for a half hour, while you sat there like a silent coward!

 

Throughout the session, Trump dominated the conversation, speaking at length and making pointed, often provocative comments while Carney mostly watched on in silence. When he did attempt to interject, he was largely brushed aside. The most striking moment came when Trump casually claimed, “I think I was probably the greatest thing that happened to him,” referring to Carney’s election. Carney looked toward the reporters with a mixture of discomfort and disbelief, but offered no strong rebuttal.

 

Things became even more awkward when a journalist asked about the idea of Canada becoming the 51st U.S. state. Carney’s visible unease contrasted sharply with Trump’s casual bravado. “Well, I still believe that… but it takes two to tango, right?” Trump said with a grin. He continued by extolling the supposed benefits of such a union: “I believe it would be a massive tax cut for the Canadian citizens. You get free military, tremendous medical care and other things.” Trump, slipping into his developer persona, added, “It would be nice to get rid of that artificially drawn line” between the two nations.

 

Carney eventually responded with a well-crafted line: “As you know from real estate, there are some places that are never for sale. We’re sitting in one right now… Buckingham Palace, you visited as well.” Trump laughed and admitted, “that’s true.” The prime minister tried to build on the moment, saying, “Having met with the owners of Canada over the course of the campaign…it’s not for sale. It won’t be for sale, ever.” But Trump quickly deflated the sentiment with a simple, “Never say never,” a line that left Carney smiling faintly but saying nothing more.

 

For a leader whose political brand is built on international competence and a promise to stand firm in the face of U.S. pressure, Carney’s performance was lackluster. His silence and strained body language betrayed an air of resignation. Despite one clever remark, he came away looking deferential and overmatched.

 

Trump, on the other hand, seemed visibly pleased. He had already played a key role in shaping the political landscape north of the border—undermining Trudeau, checking Conservative momentum under Pierre Poilievre, and helping ensure the rise of a more pliable Liberal leader in Carney. Tuesday’s meeting served as a public confirmation of that influence.

 

For Trump, it was a strategic win. For Carney, it was a sobering reminder that leadership on the world stage requires more than diplomatic poise—it demands command. And in that room, at that moment, only one of them had it.

 

  Adpated by ASEAN Now from The Telegraph  2025-05-09

 

 

Often letting a moron mouth off, hold the floor, and ensure that they feel "heard" shows more intelligence than being a blabber mouth

Polite people do not talk over the top of others, let then rant and prove the Dunning Kruger effect

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

It’s clear Trump got the message even if he didn’t like hearing it.

 

Canada is not for sale.

 

 

[SLOWHAND225]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s clear Trump got the message even if he didn’t like hearing it.

 

Canada is not for sale.

 

 

The best part is America doesn't even want that cesspool of immigrants that live like they did in the cesspool they came from.

That has been casually talked about for more than 60 yrs. Its a joke, Trump knows it, the American people know it.  It served its purpose and got rid of the cuban clown

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s clear Trump got the message even if he didn’t like hearing it.

 

Canada is not for sale.

 

 

If you say so.............

 

"But Trump quickly deflated the sentiment with a simple, “Never say never,” a line that left Carney smiling faintly but saying nothing more."

[cjinchiangrai]

3 hours ago, Woke to Sounds said:

Well, Canadians wanted more Liberal and they got it.

 

That said, much respect for Carns who remained calm and collected. ✊

 

He will likely open up Alberta and Sask oil, plus LNG from British Columbia soon, now that the numbers for Net Zero just don't compute.

And sell it to the EU and China for Euros and Yuan. Trump will be double screwed.

[Scott Tracy]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yet it is the sentiment from the Canadian I quoted.....!!

This is a quote? From whom, to whom attributed? 

 

These are similar, so for your 1 quote, I offer 3.

 

Thank you on behalf of all Canadians,” an X user said. 

“Thank you for referring to us as the ‘owners of Canada’ and thank you for standing up for our sovereignty,” a Bluesky user said. 

“As one of the owners of Canada I thank you, Prime Minister, for keeping your cool,” another user said. 

[300sd]

Carnivals first mistake was going to see Trump! Carney's net zero/woke lunacy will destroy Canada. Trump will have a grand time playing him.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Scott Tracy said:

This is a quote? From whom, to whom attributed? 

 

These are similar, so for your 1 quote, I offer 3.

 

Thank you on behalf of all Canadians,” an X user said. 

“Thank you for referring to us as the ‘owners of Canada’ and thank you for standing up for our sovereignty,” a Bluesky user said. 

“As one of the owners of Canada I thank you, Prime Minister, for keeping your cool,” another user said. 

Yes I am sure you can find more, after all he won the Canadian election....lol Other Canadians are allowed to have different opinions and the quote I posted is from the OP if you read it.

[gamb00ler]

11 minutes ago, SLOWHAND225 said:

The best part is America doesn't even want that cesspool of immigrants that live like they did in the cesspool they came from.

That has been casually talked about for more than 60 yrs. Its a joke, Trump knows it, the American people know it.  It served its purpose and got rid of the cuban clown

Better check your meds.... maybe you've been a victim of Chinese counterfeit meds.

[Jonnapat]

NONSENSE !!!

[Patong2021]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yet it is the sentiment from the Canadian I quoted.....!!

 

To which I replied   One anonymous cherry picked comment from  an  aggregator program using the Telegraph as a source is not definitive evidence of Canadian sentiment.   Telegraph  has its own political agenda. 

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

To which I replied   One anonymous cherry picked comment from  an  aggregator program using the Telegraph as a source is not definitive evidence of Canadian sentiment.   Telegraph  has its own political agenda. 

Here we go again, I know what you replied, you replied with some cock and bull story that the quote was from "an  aggregator program using the Telegraph as a source"

 

Can you provide a link to that claim? 

 

Now I see you are attacking the messenger to. The Telegraph.

 

Do you not believe other Canadians can have differing opinions and deserve to be heard?

[Patong2021]

43 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yes I am sure you can find more, after all he won the Canadian election....lol Other Canadians are allowed to have different opinions and the quote I posted is from the OP if you read it.

 

Gee, do you think that when the CONSERVATIVE premier of Canada's largest province, Ontario, the province hit hardest by tariffs,  says Carney did well, that he was telling porkies?  He is also  the chairman of the provincial premiers conference and speaks on behalf of all premiers and territorial leaders.  Was he lying when he  reported that those leaders, who represent multiple political parties, had similar sentiments? Listen to him in this 1 minute clip.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6751610

 

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Patong2021 said:

 

Gee, do you think that when the CONSERVATIVE premier of Canada's largest province, Ontario, the province hit hardest by tariffs,  says Carney did well, that he was telling porkies?  He is also  the chairman of the provincial premiers conference and speaks on behalf of all premiers and territorial leaders.  Was he lying when he  reported that those leaders, who represent multiple political parties, had similar sentiments? Listen to him in this 1 minute clip.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6751610

 

I never claimed he did though.........nice attempt at strawman

[wavodavo]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

If you say so.............

 

"But Trump quickly deflated the sentiment with a simple, “Never say never,” a line that left Carney smiling faintly but saying nothing more."

Yep, when Trump gets Canada he will rename it TRUMPADA. Just like he renamed the gulf of mexico.

[wavodavo]

23 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Gee, do you think that when the CONSERVATIVE premier of Canada's largest province, Ontario, the province hit hardest by tariffs,  says Carney did well, that he was telling porkies?  He is also  the chairman of the provincial premiers conference and speaks on behalf of all premiers and territorial leaders.  Was he lying when he  reported that those leaders, who represent multiple political parties, had similar sentiments? Listen to him in this 1 minute clip.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/video/9.6751610

 

 

Tell em they dreaming .Trump won;t back down and will reign supreme.

 

[EVENKEEL]

11 minutes ago, wavodavo said:

Yep, when Trump gets Canada he will rename it TRUMPADA. Just like he renamed the gulf of mexico.

Trumanada.

[gamb00ler]

13 minutes ago, wavodavo said:

Yep, when Trump gets Canada he will rename it TRUMPADA. Just like he renamed the gulf of mexico.

The ROW care nothing about what crap clatters about in Trump's cranium.  The platitudes they proffer mean nothing.

[Briggsy]

The Telegraph (I have a free subscription, sorry) is very heavy on opinion pieces these days. They love to dive in and comment on American politics. The weird thing is, on any one US story, they always have a piece that reflects the views of the Trump-lovers and then they will have another opinion piece reflecting the much more traditional right-wing view that tends to deplore Trump's ill manners. They may well have a third piece too trying to weave British affairs into US political doctrine, which rarely works. It is as if they have cottoned on to the fact that if you echo your reader's thoughts they will continue to buy the paper.

 

What has been adapted here is the pro-Trump opinion piece.

[Hanaguma]

Conservative voter here. I did not vote for Carney, never voted for Trudeau.

 

But, I think he did OK.  His mission was to meet the neighbours, shake hands, and go home.  He left it up to his delegates to meet with Trump's people and actually start working on a deal. In the meantime, chat, sit, smile, and go home.

 

I think Trump will like Carney for a few reasons. First, Carney is rich. He is a banker. He has academic pedigree. He "looks" serious. He has a New York connection.  And Trump hated Trudeau with the fire of a thousand suns.  

 

I'm not willing to defenestrate Carney until he proves himself worthy. I'm hoping he becomes a patriot more than a globalist, a Chretien/Martin type of Liberal.  At the end of the day, he is my Prime Minister and I will wish him good fortune and hope he is responsible in his stewardship of our nation.

[theshu25]

The Canadian PM, made Trump loook like the fool  that he is.He kept on digging his own hole with his 5 year old talk.How this moron got to be where he is is totally unbeleivable. Has the brain of an ant. 

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[RJRS1301]

1 hour ago, wavodavo said:

Yep, when Trump gets Canada he will rename it TRUMPADA. Just like he renamed the gulf of mexico.

He may have "renamed" the Gulf" however there is an internationally accepted protocol for naming  seas and oceans, not that Trump cares about protocols too may syllables for him.

IHO (International Hydrographic Organization): The IHO, in collaboration with the IOC (Intergovernmental Oceanographic Commission), plays a key role in standardizing undersea feature name

Three countries have an interest in the Gulf of Mexico, not just USA, they have a say, another ego/vanity crapola from Trump

[retayl]

There’s a saying “empty vessels make the most noise” and my god has there ever been an emptier vessel than the Donald? 

[candide]

6 hours ago, soalbundy said:

He was right not to argue with a fool, Carney would have been dragged down to his level. Trump saves his sycophantic side for people like Putin, Kim and Xi.

Exactly. It's better to let Trump talk his usual B.S. and discredit himself! 🤣

 

For example:

“We don’t do much business with Canada from our standpoint. They do a lot of business with us. We’re at like 4%,” Trump said. That “4%” figure is wrong. Official US data shows that Canada bought about 17% of US goods exports...

 

.....Trump also repeated his frequent claim that the US is “subsidizing Canada to the tune of maybe $200 billion per year.”......Official US statistics show the 2024 deficit with Canada in goods and services trade was about $36 billion.

 

Fact check: Trump claimed the US doesn’t do ‘much business with Canada.’ Canada is the world’s top buyer of US exports

https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/06/politics/fact-check-trump-mark-carney-imports