Trump Undermines Carney in 1st Official Meeting, Leaving New Canadian PM Looking Outmatched

[Paul Henry]

The one lesson Trump should learn is that you are better off sitting there looking like an idiot rather than openning your mouth and removing all doubt. Carney playing chess, while Trump is still learning how to play checkers! Trump is now claiming he has done a deal with the UK. The experts are sayin that the US is now worse off than the original deal. The UK doesn't have a trade deficit with the UK its the other way around.

[RuamRudy]

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yet it is the sentiment from the Canadian I quoted.....!!

Are you suggesting that unless he gets the unequivocal support of every single Canadian, he has failed? 

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Are you suggesting that unless he gets the unequivocal support of every single Canadian, he has failed? 

No. Are you?

[Mavideol]

13 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Trump Undermines Carney in First Official Meeting, Leaving New Canadian PM Looking Outmatched

 

What was supposed to be a cordial first meeting between U.S. President Donald Trump and Canada’s new prime minister, Mark Carney, quickly turned into a public display of political imbalance. Despite a polite opening exchange and an amiable handshake, the Oval Office session on Tuesday ended with Carney appearing overwhelmed and outmaneuvered by a far more media-savvy and aggressive counterpart.

 

 

Speculation before Carney’s arrival in Washington had suggested that tensions between the two leaders—exacerbated by Trump’s continued use of tariffs and Carney’s anti-Trump campaign rhetoric—might erupt into an open confrontation. But while a shouting match never materialized, the result was arguably more damaging for the Canadian leader: a calm but unmistakable demonstration of his lack of experience on the global stage.

 

Carney had won office in part on the promise of being a more capable international statesman than his predecessor, Justin Trudeau. During his victory speech, Carney accused Trump of trying to “break us, so that America can own us,” and defiantly declared, “that will never, ever happen.” Yet, on Tuesday, seated beside the U.S. president in front of the press, he appeared to retreat from that bold rhetoric.

 

I cannot tell you how absolutely embarrassed I am as a Canadian.
During the meeting
Carney spoke for: 3:18 Minutes
Trump spoke for: 29:47 Minutes
Thank you for letting Donald Trump embarrass all of Canada for a half hour, while you sat there like a silent coward!

 

 

Throughout the session, Trump dominated the conversation, speaking at length and making pointed, often provocative comments while Carney mostly watched on in silence. When he did attempt to interject, he was largely brushed aside. The most striking moment came when Trump casually claimed, “I think I was probably the greatest thing that happened to him,” referring to Carney’s election. Carney looked toward the reporters with a mixture of discomfort and disbelief, but offered no strong rebuttal.

 

Things became even more awkward when a journalist asked about the idea of Canada becoming the 51st U.S. state. Carney’s visible unease contrasted sharply with Trump’s casual bravado. “Well, I still believe that… but it takes two to tango, right?” Trump said with a grin. He continued by extolling the supposed benefits of such a union: “I believe it would be a massive tax cut for the Canadian citizens. You get free military, tremendous medical care and other things.” Trump, slipping into his developer persona, added, “It would be nice to get rid of that artificially drawn line” between the two nations.

 

Carney eventually responded with a well-crafted line: “As you know from real estate, there are some places that are never for sale. We’re sitting in one right now… Buckingham Palace, you visited as well.” Trump laughed and admitted, “that’s true.” The prime minister tried to build on the moment, saying, “Having met with the owners of Canada over the course of the campaign…it’s not for sale. It won’t be for sale, ever.” But Trump quickly deflated the sentiment with a simple, “Never say never,” a line that left Carney smiling faintly but saying nothing more.

 

For a leader whose political brand is built on international competence and a promise to stand firm in the face of U.S. pressure, Carney’s performance was lackluster. His silence and strained body language betrayed an air of resignation. Despite one clever remark, he came away looking deferential and overmatched.

 

Trump, on the other hand, seemed visibly pleased. He had already played a key role in shaping the political landscape north of the border—undermining Trudeau, checking Conservative momentum under Pierre Poilievre, and helping ensure the rise of a more pliable Liberal leader in Carney. Tuesday’s meeting served as a public confirmation of that influence.

 

For Trump, it was a strategic win. For Carney, it was a sobering reminder that leadership on the world stage requires more than diplomatic poise—it demands command. And in that room, at that moment, only one of them had it.

 

  Adpated by ASEAN Now from The Telegraph | X  2025-05-09

 

 

are you referring to the guy that didn't know what concession means... it was not Carney

"Fact-Checked In Real Time": Trump Met With Canada's New Prime Minister, And Things Went Downhill So Quickly

https://au.news.yahoo.com/people-losing-trump-seemed-prove-233954872.html

 

[Mavideol]

9 hours ago, Tug said:

Carney is a deliberate thoughtful man a trained banker,trump is a loudmouth bully to me the bluster means nothing .elbows up Canada until trump folds.the trick is with trump is to let him think he got one over so he can strut around(shuffle around) thinking he ripped you off.then just carry the economic win to the bank as trump bellows about how great he is.

you forgot to mention educated/polite

[Mavideol]

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Actually what matters is results.

and what were the results besides Trump making a fool of himself, what else results can you show us

[blaze master]

For a secure future it would be in Canada's best interest to succeed to the USA. 

[daveAustin]

9 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Carney was acting like the tough guy until he actually came face to face with the man. Then he shrunk. 

 

Perhaps next time he shouldn't allow his mouth to write cheques that his minerals cannot cash.

 

Typical cowardly Liberal. 

 

Good luck Canda. You'll need it. 

What to do, you ain't gonna bully Trump in his house surrounded by his thickie A lickers. If Carney had've retorted no matter how just, only one thing would've happened.

[blaze master]

5 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Was he lying when he  reported that those leaders, who represent multiple political parties, had similar sentiments? Listen to him in this 1 minute clip.

 

Doug Ford is a fake conservative who only cares about Doug Ford. His track record shows it. 

 

Nothing but a vindictive spoiled brat.

[daveAustin]

But fancy speaking to a head of state in such a manner: 0% Class / 100% bogun.

[bunnydrops]

9 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Is Trump really being a bully? Or is he spewing what he already knows that has been planned by the elites?

 

I'm not even sure joining with Canada is only Trump's idea. It has probably been discussed at secret meeting at the WEF in Davos. And it's probably already in the planning phases.

 

And maybe Carney is playing dumb by pretending he doesn't know anything about it to not make Canadians too nervous. 

 

As early as the 60s, there was a group similar to Scientology that believed that the US, Canada, and Mexico should be one country that could be mostly self-sufficient. They also believed that children would be tested often from an early age, and their schooling would be directed to whether they would be laborers, doctors, or rocket scientists. They also believed that the perfect family unit would be 2 men to each woman, but I can't remember their reasoning on that. So, no, it isn't a new idea.

[Bkk Brian]

46 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

and what were the results besides Trump making a fool of himself, what else results can you show us

Well that's a silly question. The full details are not through yet so how does anybody know the results?

[Will B Good]

Carney is as sharp as a tack......he boxed clever....too clever for likes of the MAGA crowd to even begin to understand.

 

Here's a clue as to what Carney was doing.........

 

1. 

Understanding the Power Dynamic

 

Carney likely recognised that Trump, as a dominant personality and the then-president of the United States, thrives on attention and control in any room. Speaking over him or pushing back in that setting might have been counterproductive. By letting Trump speak freely, Carney may have avoided unnecessary confrontation or alienation, which could damage future influence.

2. 

Listening as Intelligence Gathering

 

By speaking less, Carney may have learned more. Letting Trump talk uninterrupted for 30 minutes could have given Carney insight into Trump’s priorities, thinking style, policy direction, and emotional state. As a seasoned central banker and diplomat, Carney may have viewed the meeting not as a forum to argue, but as an opportunity to observe and gather useful political intelligence.

3. 

Avoiding Political Minefields

 

Engaging too directly with Trump, especially in public or semi-public settings, could risk being dragged into controversy or having one’s words taken out of context. Carney may have chosen discretion over confrontation, recognising that any pushback might be weaponised or misrepresented in political or media spheres.

4. 

Preserving Institutional Neutrality

 

As a central banker (and later potential candidate for international financial roles), Carney would be acutely aware of the importance of political neutrality. By saying little, he avoided the risk of being seen as partisan or as taking sides in America’s domestic political conflicts—an essential trait for someone protecting the credibility of independent institutions.

5. 

Diplomatic Patience

 

Diplomacy often involves playing the long game. Carney may have seen more value in building rapport or simply not disrupting the flow of the meeting, knowing that he might have other, more private avenues to express his views or steer outcomes.

6. 

Mastering the Optics

 

Sometimes, saying nothing can be more powerful than engaging. A calm, composed silence in the face of a monologue can project control, restraint, and dignity. Observers who know Carney’s usual confidence might interpret his quietness as strategic rather than submissive.

 

[johng]

no point now.

[GroveHillWanderer]

As the OP alludes to, this was an opinion piece in The Telegraph. So I checked, and it turns out the piece was written by Michael Taube, a former speechwriter with the Canadian Conservative Party. So it's pretty much a given that he was never going to say anything complimentary about Mark Carney, a political opponent.

 

In addition to that, it's clear that he'd already made up his mind about how this meeting would go, well before it even happened.

 

Here's an article he wrote about a week before the meeting even took place. 

 

Michael Taube: Trump will tear Carney to shreds

 

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/trump-will-tear-carney-to-shreds

[metisdead]

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[Patong2021]

4 hours ago, blaze master said:

 

Doug Ford is a fake conservative who only cares about Doug Ford. His track record shows it. 

Nothing but a vindictive spoiled brat.

 

Sure. And he is so unpopular that he obtained a healthy mandate to remain provincial premier for another term  a few months ago.  83 out of 124 seats, is impressive.   A "fake" conservative only because he does not espouse extremist notions.  Many of his political policies are classic conservative. His strength is that he wears his heart on his sleeve and is a man who understands suburbia and the working people. He is a very Canadian person in what he says and does.

[blaze master]

17 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Sure. And he is so unpopular that he obtained a healthy mandate to remain provincial premier for another term  a few months ago.  83 out of 124 seats, is impressive.   A "fake" conservative only because he does not espouse extremist notions.  Many of his political policies are classic conservative. His strength is that he wears his heart on his sleeve and is a man who understands suburbia and the working people. He is a very Canadian person in what he says and does.

 

Who said he was unpopular ?

 

Conservatives just like him have been sinking Ontario with bad ideas for a long time. It's why I voted liberal in opposition of Ford. 

 

The rest of your comment t reads like normal talking points. Wears his heart on his sleeve. Understands working people. Bla bla. He's a millionaire from birth. He's very vindictive and has a grudge against Toronto.

 

Your last line is bang on though. Reinforces my view of the complete mess my country is. 

 

 

[Patong2021]

Just now, blaze master said:

 

Who said he was unpopular ?

 

Conservatives just like him have been sinking Ontario with bad ideas for a long time. It's why I voted liberal in opposition of Ford. 

 

The rest of your comment t reads like normal talking points. Wears his heart on his sleeve. Understands working people. Bla bla. He's a millionaire from birth. He's very vindictive and has a grudge against Toronto.

 

Your last line is bang on though. Reinforces my view of the complete mess my country is. 

 

 

 

You really are inconsistent. Toronto is the epicenter of  "progressive" policy in Canada.  It is an expensive, poorly managed city that can't even get its traffic problems sorted.  Whenever I have to visit for business, I have  price shock when I get my hotel bill or restaurant tab that is as expensive as London or NYC.  It is understandable why he does not wish to enable Olivia Chow the left wing mayor and her policies. I think he is a  wonderful man, and Canadians should be proud to have a patriot like him. Yes, he was a successful small business operator. Why attack him for having worked hard? Is it  his fault that his parent worked hard too to give him a future? 

[fondue zoo]

 

the vibe

 

 

 

 

[blaze master]

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

You really are inconsistent. Toronto is the epicenter of  "progressive" policy in Canada.  It is an expensive, poorly managed city that can't even get its traffic problems sorted.  Whenever I have to visit for business, I have  price shock when I get my hotel bill or restaurant tab that is as expensive as London or NYC.  It is understandable why he does not wish to enable Olivia Chow the left wing mayor and her policies. I think he is a  wonderful man, and Canadians should be proud to have a patriot like him. Yes, he was a successful small business operator. Why attack him for having worked hard? Is it  his fault that his parent worked hard too to give him a future? 

 

Why are you talking about progressive policy ?I was talking about his ongoing attacks on Toronto and the GTA. If I agree with Toronto policy or not is irrelevant. He sticks his nose in places where it doesn't belong. Both him and his brother are a huge stain on the regions politics. Their choices and policies have harmed my province in a big way. 

 

No surprise you think he's a good guy. You don't really know about all this and I can't be bothered explaining it all on a chat board. 

 

 

Funny you spoke about transit. Go look who canceled the transit city project. Arguably without authority. Then look at who wants to remove bike lanes in Toronto. Even when given data showing the effectiveness of the lanes. 

 

 

[bendejo]

7 hours ago, bunnydrops said:

They also believed that the perfect family unit would be 2 men to each woman, but I can't remember their reasoning on that.

 

There are plenty of vids on the Internet that illustrate this. 

 

Around 2003 or so there was a suggestion floating around that UK could become part of NAFTA.  So much for that idea.

 

[Hummin]

17 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Carney was acting like the tough guy until he actually came face to face with the man. Then he shrunk. 

 

Perhaps next time he shouldn't allow his mouth to write cheques that his minerals cannot cash.

 

Typical cowardly Liberal. 

 

Good luck Canda. You'll need it. 

 

The eyes see whatever want to see, and the same goes for the eyes. There were only one statesman in the room, and that was not Trump.

 

Good luck with wishful thinking and imaginary hero

[hotandsticky]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

The eyes see whatever want to see, and the same goes for the eyes. There were only one statesman in the room, and that was not Trump.

 

Good luck with wishful thinking and imaginary hero

 

 

He is not imaginary

[Hummin]

45 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

He is not imaginary

Time will tell if he becomes the hero he says he is, and the hero his diciples says he is

[Mavideol]

18 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well that's a silly question. The full details are not through yet so how does anybody know the results?

I do have a couple of results showing that nothing has been done, the deal with the UK is a failure but I am sure you know that

US automakers blast Trump's UK trade deal

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/africa/kenya/us-automakers-blast-trump-s-uk-trade-deal/ar-AA1EqyYU?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=d96f4b98ffa341c485d802f16f183d87&ei=29

 

Trump Has Total Meltdown After MSNBC Exposes Tariffs Disaster

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-total-meltdown-over-msnbc-181434829.html

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

41 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

I do have a couple of results showing that nothing has been done, the deal with the UK is a failure but I am sure you know that

US automakers blast Trump's UK trade deal

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/africa/kenya/us-automakers-blast-trump-s-uk-trade-deal/ar-AA1EqyYU?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=d96f4b98ffa341c485d802f16f183d87&ei=29

 

Trump Has Total Meltdown After MSNBC Exposes Tariffs Disaster

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-total-meltdown-over-msnbc-181434829.html

 

 

The deal is a failure according to you, even your link says details of the deal are not published yet. 😅 

[metisdead]

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[Mavideol]

20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The deal is a failure according to you, even your link says details of the deal are not published yet. 😅 

before the deal taxes on UK products going to the USA = 0%.... after the deal taxes on products from the UK to the USA == 10% that's a great deal by the master of the deal making the americans pay the "tariffs" or should we call it taxes

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

before the deal taxes on UK products going to the USA = 0%.... after the deal taxes on products from the UK to the USA == 10% that's a great deal by the master of the deal making the americans pay the "tariffs" or should we call it taxes

Can you provide a link to the full details of the deal, even though they've not all been published yet? Once you've done that can you also provide a link to say the deal is a failure as you claim?