Huge crowd piles pressure on Dutch government to seek an end to Israel's campaign in Gaza

[Nick Carter icp]

6 hours ago, billd766 said:

Good for the Dutch people. At least they care.

 

Now the rest of the peoples in the world need to do the same.

 

If they cared and wanted hostilities to cease long term they would be calling for both sides to stop hostilities .

  As they are just calling to Israel to stop the campaign , that shows they want Palestine to win the war .

   They do not "care" , they want a Palestine victory 

[coolcarer]

7 minutes ago, bannork said:

The text was about the Spanish PM wishing to ban Israel from cultural events, not only the Eurovision song contest. Indeed you seem to be the one following it , giving details about points awarded by Spain. This led me to assume you were a follower of the noted contest. 

Protests against the current Israel policy in Gaza include not only the Dutch but also several other Western countries, the latest being the leaders of the UK, France and Canada. The topic could be considered to be Western opposition to Israeli policy in Gaza. 

Incidentally there was a large demonstration in London at the weekend too.

Tens of thousands join pro-Palestine protest in London for Nakba anniversary | UK News | Sky News

 

This was your post which I was referencing. I have already responded. Read it. It’s very boring for me to post it again.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

13 hours ago, bannork said:

MADRID (Reuters) -Spanish Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez called on Monday for Israel's exclusion from international cultural events such as the Eurovision song contest over its military campaign in Gaza, just as Russia was barred after its invasion of Ukraine.

"We cannot allow double standards, not even in culture," Sanchez, a Socialist and long-time critic of Israeli policies in occupied Palestinian territory, told a conference in Madrid.

"I believe that no one was shocked three years ago when Russia was asked to withdraw from international competitions after it invaded Ukraine and not participate, for example, at Eurovision. Therefore, Israel should not do so either," he said.

Spain's PM wants Israel out of international cultural events over Gaza war

 

   But Russia invaded  Ukraine and

          Palestine invaded Israel .

They would either need to ban Russia and Palestine from the ESC

Or ban Ukraine and Israel .

   Does he want to ban the invaders or the invaded ?

[proton]

The end has always been there, release all the hostages and surrender, nothing to do with the Dutch government

[proton]

23 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Can't imagine why anyone sides with Israel!

 

Imagine bombings in your country...

 

Because they have been attacked continually for over 70 years, the last being Oct 7th. Don't start yet another war with them then cry about the retaliation 

[oxo1947]

Huge crowd piles pressure on Dutch government to seek an end to Israel's campaign in Gaza

 

 

Why dont they pile pressure on the Hamas to give back the hostages who they have had jailed underground since 2023 ------ Then I would join the protest ........

 

 

 

 

Kfir Bibas

 

Found were the bodies of Ariel and Kfir Bibas and their mother, Shiri Bibas. Barely 9 months old on October 7, 2023, Kfir was the youngest hostage, who spent the majority of his short life in captivity.

[MangoKorat]

On 5/19/2025 at 10:25 AM, Mike_Hunt said:

I don't know why these people side with Gaza.   

Really? In all honesty, I don't think the vast maJority of them are 'siding with Gaza'.

 

I think its more likely that they are siding with humanity.  Israel has no right to place a blockade on food, water and medical supplies, that is totally against international law.

 

Like most, I was appalled at Hamas's brutal 7 October attack but Israel's response has massively exceeded what could be termed as retribution. They have turned Gaza into rubble and reportedly killed over 50,000 Palestinians - do they think such actions will end terrorism?  I rather think it will make it worse.

 

As Antonio Guterres stated shortly after that Hamas attack, it didn't happen in a vacuum.  He was widely misquoted on that speech with Israel claiming he was supporting terrorism - well it suited them to say that.  They constantly bang on about anti semetism etc. - where do they think that stems from?

 

Could it be that Palestinians are sick of Israel's constant land grabs and their 'policing' of what are clearly, Palestinian territories?  I doubt that it will ever be possible to change the sick minds of hardline muslim radicals but I honestly believe that the vast majority of Palestinian people simply want to live in peace.  They also want the international community to guarantee them a defined state that they can run and defend themselves.

 

By all means, Israel has a right to go after Hamas and all the other hardline groups but it does not have the right to kill thousands of innocent people.  It does not have the right to starve millions of people or deny them basic medical facilities.  This is what the world sees and I believe the vast majority of people are just as appalled at Israel's actions in this matter as they were by Hamas's 7 October attack - moreso actually because its ongoing.

 

The Dutch are protesting in an effort to pressure their government into action against Israel.  I would go further, if it was within my gift I would send in a UN military force to stop what's going on.  The UN needs to be the one to sort this out - and sort it out forcefully.  It was initially the British, then The League of Nations and finally the UN that facilitated the creation of Israel - it should be them that sort ot the mess that action created.

 

No matter what the history, both sides need to accept the existence of the other and territorial boundaries should be determined (by the international community) and strictly enforced.

 

If Israel (Netanyahu) thinks its ridding the region of Muslim terrorist groups by its actions - 'wiping them out' as it says, its totally wrong.  What it's actually doing is serving as a recruitment agency for them.  Consider this - if you're a 14 year old boy in Gaza who's just seen his entire family blown up and crushed under a collalsed building in an Israeli missile attack - how are you going to feel?  Where will your alleginaces lie? How would you fight a well armed and backed, modern military force?  In the open as an army where you would be slaughtered or by bombings and other terrorist style attacks?

 

The whole situation in Israel/Gaza needs to be sorted out by the international community - in particular the more moderate Muslim countries (but without the US who will never be impartial) and a policed settlement imposed on both parties.  That will however, never happen and we will be reading about this in another 50 years.  One of the main reasons it won't happen is I believe, because of the US's support for Israel - way too much self interest for them to be impartial and/or pragmatic.

 

There will certainly be no settlement until Trump is out of office and his 'Mediteranean Riviera' stupidity is gone.  Can't believe that even that lunatic was stupid enough to even pose that thought amidst the current situation.  Thousands dead and injured, war raging and Trump thinks about property development - thank god his clock is ticking.

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

 

I think its more likely that they are siding with humanity.  Israel has no right to place a blockade on food, water and medical supplies, that is totally against international law.

 

 

   No it isn't against International law .

Hamas receive those supplies and Israel can legally refuse to supply Hamas .

Its a legitimate act of war 

[Nick Carter icp]

8 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

and reportedly killed over 50,000 Palestinians - do they think such actions will end terrorism?  I rather think it will make it worse.

 

   Worse than what happened on Oct 7 th ?

It would be extremely difficult to get "worse" then what happened on Oct 7 th ?

How can it get worse than that ?

[billd766]

35 minutes ago, proton said:

The end has always been there, release all the hostages and surrender, nothing to do with the Dutch government

Would that include Israel releasing ALL the Palestinians that they are holding, clearing Gaza of ALL the Israeli settlers, completely lifting the illegal land, sea and air blockade. Israel, completely rebuilding Gaza, Israel pulling all of their military out of Gaza. the West Bank, Syria, Lebanon and ALL the other countries that they have invaded? Paying reparations and rebuilding those countries, agreeing to a 2 state solution, and Israel staying within its own borders?

 

 Should I mention handing Netanyahu, his entire WAR cabinet and ALL the senior Israeli senior officers to the IVV foe war crimes and crimes against humanity?

 

Without that happening why do you think that ON:Y the Palestinians should surrender? The Palestinians are fighting to keep their own country. The Israelis are fighting to destroy it completely.

 

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, MangoKorat said:

Really? In all honesty, I don't think the vast maJority of them are 'siding with Gaza'.

 

I think its more likely that they are siding with humanity.  Israel has no right to place a blockade on food, water and medical supplies, that is totally against international law.

 

Like most, I was appalled at Hamas's brutal 7 October attack but Israel's response has massively exceeded what could be termed as retribution. They have turned Gaza into rubble and reportedly killed over 50,000 Palestinians - do they think such actions will end terrorism?  I rather think it will make it worse.

 

As Antonio Guterres stated shortly after that Hamas attack, it didn't happen in a vacuum.  He was widely misquoted on that speech with Israel claiming he was supporting terrorism - well it suited them to say that.  They constantly bang on about anti semetism etc. - where do they think that stems from?

 

Could it be that Palestinians are sick of Israel's constant land grabs and their 'policing' of what are clearly, Palestinian territories?  I doubt that it will ever be possible to change the sick minds of hardline muslim radicals but I honestly believe that the vast majority of Palestinian people simply want to live in peace.  They also want the international community to guarantee them a defined state that they can run and defend themselves.

 

By all means, Israel has a right to go after Hamas and all the other hardline groups but it does not have the right to kill thousands of innocent people.  It does not have the right to starve millions of people or deny them basic medical facilities.  This is what the world sees and I believe the vast majority of people are just as appalled at Israel's actions in this matter as they were by Hamas's 7 October attack - moreso actually because its ongoing.

 

The Dutch are protesting in an effort to pressure their government into action against Israel.  I would go further, if it was within my gift I would send in a UN military force to stop what's going on.  The UN needs to be the one to sort this out - and sort it out forcefully.  It was initially the British, then The League of Nations and finally the UN that facilitated the creation of Israel - it should be them that sort ot the mess that action created.

 

No matter what the history, both sides need to accept the existence of the other and territorial boundaries should be determined (by the international community) and strictly enforced.

 

If Israel (Netanyahu) thinks its ridding the region of Muslim terrorist groups by its actions - 'wiping them out' as it says, its totally wrong.  What it's actually doing is serving as a recruitment agency for them.  Consider this - if you're a 14 year old boy in Gaza who's just seen his entire family blown up and crushed under a collalsed building in an Israeli missile attack - how are you going to feel?  Where will your alleginaces lie? How would you fight a well armed and backed, modern military force?  In the open as an army where you would be slaughtered or by bombings and other terrorist style attacks?

 

The whole situation in Israel/Gaza needs to be sorted out by the international community - in particular the more moderate Muslim countries (but without the US who will never be impartial) and a policed settlement imposed on both parties.  That will however, never happen and we will be reading about this in another 50 years.  One of the main reasons it won't happen is I believe, because of the US's support for Israel - way too much self interest for them to be impartial and/or pragmatic.

 

There will certainly be no settlement until Trump is out of office and his 'Mediteranean Riviera' stupidity is gone.  Can't believe that even that lunatic was stupid enough to even pose that thought amidst the current situation.  Thousands dead and injured, war raging and Trump thinks about property development - thank god his clock is ticking.

Wrong, Hamas had been controlling the aid and selling it on for profit. This has been discussed numerous times in the appropriate topics.

 

Under Article 23 of the Geneva Convention, Israel is not required to allow aid into Gaza if it’s being diverted—which we’ve all seen Hamas do repeatedly on video.

This isn’t a debate. Israel is acting within international law.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, billd766 said:

Would that include Israel releasing ALL the Palestinians that they are holding, clearing Gaza of ALL the Israeli settlers, completely lifting the illegal land, sea and air blockade. Israel, completely rebuilding Gaza, Israel pulling all of their military out of Gaza. the West Bank, Syria, Lebanon and ALL the other countries that they have invaded? Paying reparations and rebuilding those countries, agreeing to a 2 state solution, and Israel staying within its own borders?

 

 Should I mention handing Netanyahu, his entire WAR cabinet and ALL the senior Israeli senior officers to the IVV foe war crimes and crimes against humanity?

 

Without that happening why do you think that ON:Y the Palestinians should surrender? The Palestinians are fighting to keep their own country. The Israelis are fighting to destroy it completely.

 

Why are you placing conditions on the release of  hostages? That's just parroting Hamas, why are you doing that? Vile

[Nick Carter icp]

7 hours ago, bannork said:

"Tens of thousands join pro-Palestine protest in London for Nakba anniversary | UK News | Sky News" https://news.sky.com/story/tens-of-thousands-join-pro-palestine-protest-in-london-for-nakba-anniversary-13370022

 

   That's a huge decline in marchers , participants 

"Tens of thousands" ?

Those marches used to attract 1 million plus participants , seems like 90% of marchers have lost interest .

   Handing over the corpses of dead babies and celebrating wasn't a good look for the cause 

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, billd766 said:

clearing Gaza of ALL the Israeli settlers,

 

   Setters from Gaza were cleared about 20 years ago . 

Israel forcible removed the Israeli  settlers from Gaza in exchange for peace with Hamas in Gaza

[Evil Penevil]

On 5/19/2025 at 5:25 AM, Mike_Hunt said:

I don't know why these people side with Gaza. 

 

 

Yes, indeed.  The Palestinians of Gaza are the people I with whom I would find it the hardest to side.  During WW II, the leadership of Palestine sided with the Nazis and supported the Holocaust.  They have always opposed the state of Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews.  I can't unsee the images of Palestinians celebrating the Oct. 7 attacks, 

 

Palestinians In Gaza And The West Bank Celebrate On October 7, Hand Out Sweets, Fire Guns In The Air, Following Hamas's Invasion And Massacre Of Israeli Civilians In The Gaza Envelope

 

https://www.memri.org/tv/palestinians-gaza-west-bank-celebrate-october-seven-massacre-hand-out-sweets-fire-guns

 

On 5/19/2025 at 5:31 AM, unblocktheplanet said:

Can't imagine why anyone sides with Israel!

 

 

Because Israel is the best option for the survival of the Jewish people in the face of any renewed attempt at the Holocaust.  Jews won't walk quietly into the ovens next time round.  Never again is now.

 

1 hour ago, MangoKorat said:

They constantly bang on about anti semetism etc. - where do they think that stems from?

 

Antisemitism is the irrational hatred of Jews that's been going on for at least 2,000 years and culminated in the massacre of six million Jews during WW II,  The goal of antisemitism, past and present, has always been the eradication of the Jewish people.  Zionism is the best guarantee that doesn't happen.

[stevenl]

3 hours ago, coolcarer said:

thought this was about the Dutch Hamas supporters? 

It's about anti Israeli actions. 

[Evil Penevil]

3 hours ago, coolcarer said:

I thought this was about the Dutch Hamas supporters?

 

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It's about anti Israeli actions. 

 

Anti Israeli actions = Dutch Hamas supporters.  Same-same, no difference.

[coolcarer]

7 minutes ago, stevenl said:

It's about anti Israeli actions. 

Mr one liner has popped up again. Now read my earlier post that references that.. this is about Hamas actions whether you like it or not

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

Would that include Israel releasing ALL the Palestinians that they are holding, clearing Gaza of ALL the Israeli settlers, completely lifting the illegal land, sea and air blockade. Israel, completely rebuilding Gaza, Israel pulling all of their military out of Gaza. the West Bank, Syria, Lebanon and ALL the other countries that they have invaded? Paying reparations and rebuilding those countries, agreeing to a 2 state solution, and Israel staying within its own borders?

 

 Should I mention handing Netanyahu, his entire WAR cabinet and ALL the senior Israeli senior officers to the IVV foe war crimes and crimes against humanity?

 

Without that happening why do you think that ON:Y the Palestinians should surrender? The Palestinians are fighting to keep their own country. The Israelis are fighting to destroy it completely.

 

 

   You really have no idea what you are talking about 

[bannork]

24 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Mr one liner has popped up again. Now read my earlier post that references that.. this is about Hamas actions whether you like it or not

The recent protests by various Western leaders: Canada, UK, France and Spain are a protest about Israel's actions, especially the food blockade leading to starvation of the population.

And then there's the bombing with thousands of civilian casualties.

[Magictoad]

On 5/19/2025 at 4:38 PM, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Imagine a bunch of terrorists next door crossing the border and killing 1200 of your citizens. 

You forgot the rape, torture and kidnapping that followed and continues to this day; over a year later. Hamas are a bloodthirsty death cult who are committed to killing every Jew in the world. Too many young Americans have zero education about the Middle East; Palestine, Hamas; Hezbollah and the whole brew that Israel is fighting. 

[coolcarer]

6 minutes ago, bannork said:

The recent protests by various Western leaders: Canada, UK, France and Spain are a protest about Israel's actions, especially the food blockade leading to starvation of the population.

And then there's the bombing with thousands of civilian casualties.

Another that goes off on an unrelated deflection to the on topic post I referenced

 

Wilders criticized the protesters at the start of the demonstration, calling them confused on X. “Today, a demonstration against Israel + for Hamas. Thousands of confused people are drawing a red line. I am also drawing a red line. Against terror and the starvation of their own population by Hamas, and for maximum destruction of their murderous infrastructure. And for Israel,” Wilders, an avid supporter of Benjamin Netanyahu’s regime, said on X."

[Evil Penevil]

To clear up a factual error that has been repeated several times ...

 

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

clearing Gaza of ALL the Israeli settlers

 

There are NO Israeli settlements in Gaza.  They were dismantled in 2005 as part of the Israeli disengagement from Gaza.

Israel’s disengagement from Gaza in 2005   https://www.britannica.com/event/Israels-disengagement-from-Gaza

[unblocktheplanet]

6 minutes ago, Magictoad said:

You forgot the rape, torture and kidnapping that followed and continues to this day; over a year later. Hamas are a bloodthirsty death cult who are committed to killing every Jew in the world. Too many young Americans have zero education about the Middle East; Palestine, Hamas; Hezbollah and the whole brew that Israel is fighting. 

Hamas & ilk are terrorists. That's not all Palestinians.

[stevenl]

18 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Another that goes off on an unrelated deflection to the on topic post I referenced

 

Wilders criticized the protesters at the start of the demonstration, calling them confused on X. “Today, a demonstration against Israel + for Hamas. Thousands of confused people are drawing a red line. I am also drawing a red line. Against terror and the starvation of their own population by Hamas, and for maximum destruction of their murderous infrastructure. And for Israel,” Wilders, an avid supporter of Benjamin Netanyahu’s regime, said on X."

Only avid netanyahu supporters keep supporting him, the rest of the world is slowly moving away.

[coolcarer]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Only avid netanyahu supporters keep supporting him, the rest of the world is slowly moving away.

Do you disagree with what he said and if so why?

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Only avid netanyahu supporters keep supporting him, the rest of the world is slowly moving away.

 

   The named Countries have always opposed Israel's actions, its not anything new 

[Yellowtail]

Why does so much of the left hate Jews?