Trump Admin Revokes Harvard’s Right to Enroll International Students

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

They aren't studying, they're using it as a route to gain US citizenship.

Pay the university a fee, get a VISA, then graduate and get US citizenship.

And gaining a bunch of highly educated immigrants is a great idea. Schools should do more of this.

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

And gaining a bunch of highly educated immigrants is a great idea. Schools should do more of this.

You mean you want immigrants to take the place of Americans at even more schools. 

 

But no white capitalists that want to assimilate, right? 

[Fat is a type of crazy]

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

They aren't studying, they're using it as a route to gain US citizenship.

Pay the university a fee, get a VISA, then graduate and get US citizenship.

Google told me:

27 per cent of students at Harvard are foreign students.

59 per cent of foreign students leave the USA after studies.

To stay they need to work under specific conditions and then apparently need a business to sponsor them.

They must of course be studying if they want to graduate. Opportunities to stay are limited - an employee would only sponsor you surely if you are highly valuable to them. 

Not sure if this is relevant though. 

[GammaGlobulin]

4 hours ago, JimHuaHin said:

Great move Trump, I am certain this will hasten the fall of the USA.

 

Penn is better.

Or, if you don't like Penn, then just go to Princeton.

 

I never liked Harvard, much.

 

The culture at Harvard is not good.

 

There are better schools.

MIT

CalTech

Penn

Columbia

 

In fact, I would dearly like to see Harvard go down the drain.

 

That Kennedy School of Government, or whatever, is totally obnoxious.

 

 

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There was no complaints on that matter when a Federal judge was frequently called upon to overturn Biden’s executive orders.

Examples?

[Yellowtail]

4 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Google told me:

27 per cent of students at Harvard are foreign students.

59 per cent of foreign students leave the USA after studies.

To stay they need to work under specific conditions and then apparently need a business to sponsor them.

They must of course be studying if they want to graduate. Opportunities to stay are limited - an employee would only sponsor you surely if you are highly valuable to them. 

Not sure if this is relevant though. 

Did it tell you how many of those that stay were involved in industrial espionage? 

 

Whether or not they have to study to graduate depends on the discipline. 

 

"Harvard professors have reported concerns over grade inflation for years. This year, 71 percent of those who responded to The Crimson’s survey of Harvard’s Faculty of Arts and Sciences said that grade inflation was “very much” or “somewhat” a problem in their departments. In December 2013, administrators revealed that the median grade at the College was an A- and the most commonly awarded grade was an A."

 

The Harvard Crimson | The Graduating Class of 2022 By the Numbers

 

[GammaGlobulin]

Haha....

 

Maybe Trump is just trying to stamp out cronyism, once and for all.

 

Get rid of Harvard, and then we can also get rid of the majority of the government.

 

What a joke.

 

(I mean, the gov, as it is now.)

 

[jas007]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

Wait for Harvard lawsuit that accused the Trump's crony administration of defying the US constitution. Their attempt to revoke foreign student visas was dealt a major setback by a federal judge. 

I haven't thought about it at all, but off the top of my head I could see how the courts might have a problem with this decision on Harvard unless there's a similar standard applied to all schools accepting foreign students. 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Examples?

The illegal student loan forgiveness plan that went to the Supreme Court and was judged unconstitutional, after which Biden bragged about finding a work-around such that he could ignore the court. 

 

The changes to Title IX where Biden tried to compel schools to allow men in girls' showers or lose federal funding. 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

I haven't thought about it at all, but off the top of my head I could see how the courts might have a problem with this decision on Harvard unless there's a similar standard applied to all schools accepting foreign students. 

No. Only the schools that accepting foreign students and allowing some students terrorize other students. 

[cjinchiangrai]

10 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Haha....

 

Maybe Trump is just trying to stamp out cronyism, once and for all.

 

Get rid of Harvard, and then we can also get rid of the majority of the government.

 

What a joke.

 

(I mean, the gov, as it is now.)

 

They just would not let him in. Penn did, for a price, big mistake.

[NoDisplayName]

8 hours ago, Social Media said:

Harvard, which hosts approximately 7,000 international students,

 

It's more than just not signing up NEW international students.

 

The government told Harvard’s thousands of current foreign students that they must transfer to other schools or they will lose their legal permission to be in the U.S.

 

Nah, it'll be fine.  Upending the lives of 7000 innocent foreign students from 7000 very rich, very influential, very foreign families won't result in any blowback.

 

It'll be fine.

 

 

[GammaGlobulin]

2 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

They just would not let him in. Penn did, for a price, big mistake.

 

Not Penn, really.

Wharton is not Penn, you know.

Trump would have been hopeless at the Moore School of Electrical Engineering.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

2 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

It's more than just not signing up NEW international students.

 

The government told Harvard’s thousands of current foreign students that they must transfer to other schools or they will lose their legal permission to be in the U.S.

 

Nah, it'll be fine.  Upending the lives of 7000 innocent foreign students from 7000 very rich, very influential, very foreign families won't result in any blowback.

 

It'll be fine.

 

 

It'll be great

[jas007]

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No. Only the schools that accepting foreign students and allowing some students terrorize other students. 

 

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No. Only the schools that accepting foreign students and allowing some students terrorize other students. 

But that's why there needs to be some sort of standard or guidelines applicable to all schools.  Arbitrarily singling out Harvard might not hold up in the courts.   

[Yellowtail]

Just now, jas007 said:

 

But that's why there needs to be some sort of standard or guidelines applicable to all schools.  Arbitrarily singling out Harvard might not hold up in the courts.   

Why are you claiming the administration is "arbitrarily singling out Harvard"?

 

The other schools are complying. 

[thesetat]

These Trump haters and Dems really lose sight of what is going on with Harvard and why Trumps administration is going after them. Blinded simply because they do not approve of anything Trump does. Meaningless of course because they have lost sight of being an American or living without fear in the USA. 

 

These international students and some faculty promote American hate, Semitism as well as other topics that goes against what I am sure the Trump haters and Dems stand for anyway. They are just angry Trump is doing it. Schools have a responsibility to educate these kids. It is not their job to promote terrorists or anti-american hate. The schools lost their vision and because the money flows from these international students they permit the wrong ideology that every school should be promoting.

 

This is not about freedom of speech. This is about allowing anti-semitism into the school and granting them the freedom to promote terrorism as well as hate towards the USA. 

 

 

When will TUG and the others understand this? The school encourages it. They refuse to be checked for this. 

The president has every right to put an end to it. the school has the right to promote freedom of speech and this is not about being free to say what you want. It is about promoting terrorism and hate. Teaching the gullible kids to follow anti-semitism and become anti-american. 

 

I am sure if this was in Texas and about religion, that these AN members would be hooting praises at the government for halting religious fervor to go out and kill every non-believer. We have laws that Biden( bidens handlers) seemed to forget and allowed this to happen. 

 

[cjinchiangrai]

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

Not Penn, really.

Wharton is not Penn, you know.

Trump would have been hopeless at the Moore School of Electrical Engineering.

 

 

You obviously know nothing about it. Wharton is the business school at the University of Pennsylvania (Penn). Most people are talking about the MBA program when they say they went to Wharton, a top tier program. Trump got an undergraduate degree that he obviously did not deserve.

 

https://www.wharton.upenn.edu/

[Yellowtail]

Just now, cjinchiangrai said:

You obviously know nothing about it. Wharton is the business school at the University of Pennsylvania (Penn). Most people are talking about the MBA program when they say they went to Wharton, a top tier program. Trump got an undergraduate degree that he obviously did not deserve.

 

https://www.wharton.upenn.edu/

What is you claim that Trump "obviously did not deserve" his degree based on?

 

 

[Yagoda]

24 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The illegal student loan forgiveness plan that went to the Supreme Court and was judged unconstitutional, after which Biden bragged about finding a work-around such that he could ignore the court. 

 

The changes to Title IX where Biden tried to compel schools to allow men in girls' showers or lose federal funding. 

Oh yeah. Those.

 

15 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

They just would not let him in. Penn did, for a price, big mistake.

where did you graduate from

[Yagoda]

14 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

It's more than just not signing up NEW international students.

 

The government told Harvard’s thousands of current foreign students that they must transfer to other schools or they will lose their legal permission to be in the U.S.

 

Nah, it'll be fine.  Upending the lives of 7000 innocent foreign students from 7000 very rich, very influential, very foreign families won't result in any blowback.

 

It'll be fine.

 

 

Should have stayed in their own countries then. 

[cjinchiangrai]

10 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Oh yeah. Those.

 

where did you graduate from

Why does that matter?

[jas007]

28 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why are you claiming the administration is "arbitrarily singling out Harvard"?

 

The other schools are complying. 

Complying with what, exactly?  Are there are standards involved? Any regulations of guidelines?  

 

Sorry if I'm not up to speed on this. I haven't looked into it.  It seems like the State Department may have just decided Harvard was allowing its students, including foreign students with visas, to terrorize other students.  

 

OK. Did 30 seconds of research.

 

Apparently, schools that admit foreign students do so by was you a special program called the SEVP.  This program has a set of requirements generally applicable to all schools that wish to admit foreign students on visas.  Those rules are published.  

 

In the case of Harvard, the school was asked to provide all the documentation it had concerning the records kept and rule violations. Harvard has furnished some of the requested information, but not all of it.

 

As a result, they were given a time window of 72 hours during which they could provide the requested information.  They did not comply.

 

So, maybe the US government was justified. We'll see.  I'm sure the courts can rule however they want and invent a rationale for whatever they rule.  

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, jas007 said:

Complying with what, exactly?  Are there are standards involved? Any regulations of guidelines?  

 

Sorry if I'm not up to speed on this. I haven't looked into it.  It seems like the State Department may have just decided Harvard was allowing its students, including foreign students with visas, to terrorize other students.  

I am not that up to speed on it either, but there is this from Harvard:

 

"Harvard is just one of dozens of schools targeted by the Trump administration in recent weeks. Last month, the Department of Education sent letters to 60 universities, including Columbia, Northwestern, the University of Michigan, and Tufts, threatening enforcement actions for noncompliance with anti-discrimination provisions in the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The administration has taken the additional step of freezing research funding at several institutions."

 

Harvard won’t comply with Trump administration’s demands — Harvard Gazette

[John Drake]

All these problems would disappear if Harvard would eliminate its schools/departments of humanities and social sciences.

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, John Drake said:

All these problems would disappear if Harvard would eliminate its schools/departments of humanities and social sciences.

Or at least starts educating the students in those disciplines.  

[Yellowtail]

It's hilarious that the left is all up in arms about Qatar donating a B747 to the Pentagon, but they love Qatar donating hundreds of millions to Harvard. 

 

 

[jas007]

20 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I am not that up to speed on it either, but there is this from Harvard:

 

"Harvard is just one of dozens of schools targeted by the Trump administration in recent weeks. Last month, the Department of Education sent letters to 60 universities, including Columbia, Northwestern, the University of Michigan, and Tufts, threatening enforcement actions for noncompliance with anti-discrimination provisions in the Civil Rights Act of 1964. The administration has taken the additional step of freezing research funding at several institutions."

 

Harvard won’t comply with Trump administration’s demands — Harvard Gazette

 

But this is a different set of circumstances.  This is not about the Department of Education or any of its supposed threats to schools "targeted by the Trump administration."   That may well have happened, but this is a different issue, I think.  

 

The State Department is responsible for issuing visas, including foreign student visas, and the Department of Homeland Security acting together with the Dept of State with respect to foreign students, set up a program called the SEVP.  In order to obtain SEVP certification, the schools must keep a set of records:

 

Standard SEVP Requirements for All Schools
    •    SEVP-certified schools must generally:
    •    Maintain accurate student records (enrollment, academic progress, attendance).
    •    Report changes in student status to SEVIS (Student and Exchange Visitor Information System).
    •    Update the Form I-17 for material changes (like address or leadership changes).
    •    Allow SEVP to conduct on-site reviews at any time.
    •    Apply for recertification every two years.
    •    Schools must comply with federal laws and regulations, and ensure their programs and operations meet       SEVP standards.

 

So, it appears as though the Trump administration was just asking for records the school was supposed to be maintaining.  How is that a problem?  I wonder if they have asked for similar records from other schools? 

 

 

[impulse]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There was no complaints on that matter when a Federal judge was frequently called upon to overturn Biden’s executive orders.

 

Trump's already had more nationwide injunctions against him in 60 days than Biden had in 4 years.  15, vs 14 for the entire 4 year Biden term and 12 over Obama's entire 8 year terms.

 

Trump had 64 in his first term, and is on track to have 360 during this term.  

 

And here's what Justice Kagan said about that:

 

In 2022, when President Biden faced a fraction of the injunctions imposed against Trump, Justice Elena Kagan publicly condemned the use of universal injunctions in an interview at Northwestern University School of Law. She lashed out at the obvious “forum shopping” to get before favorable courts and said “It just cannot be right that one district judge can stop a nationwide policy in its tracks and leave it stopped for the years it takes to go through the normal [appellate] process.” She added, “You look at something like that and you think, that can’t be right.”

 

Of course, she said that when it was Biden's turn in the barrel.  We'll see if she flip flops now that it's Trump's turn.

 

[cjinchiangrai]

26 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

It's hilarious that the left is all up in arms about Qatar donating a B747 to the Pentagon, but they love Qatar donating hundreds of millions to Harvard. 

Only a Russian troll would ignore the difference.