If there is no life after death...

[James105]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, being a good person starts in childhood. It doesn't take a belief in anything besides doing the right things in life. Belief in God is what ensures where you go in the afterlife, and that's what people don't like to believe for a few reasons.

 

Thousands of gods have been invented by humans, some estimates have put it at around 18,000.  If you think believing in a god ensures where you go in the afterlife then what makes you think you have the right god?  Aren't you concerned that you rock up in the afterlife and Odin (for example) kicks you into Hel and an eternity of suffering for not believing in him, since you think that "belief" ensures where you go?  I think having a belief would stress me out that I had it wrong considering there is literally zero evidence to go on.  Not sure how religious folks sleep at night with the worry really. 

[scorecard]

7 hours ago, jas007 said:

For sure, many people are brainwashed at an early age, nut not everyone. 

 

In any event, what do you say about the people who can recall past lives?  People who can recall people they've never met, places they've never visited, all in perfect detail and all accurate.  Or what about the time travelers?  Some of those people tell stories that are pretty convincing.  

I've never heard any.

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Thousands of gods have been invented by humans, some estimates have put it at around 18,000.  If you think believing in a god ensures where you go in the afterlife then what makes you think you have the right god?  Aren't you concerned that you rock up in the afterlife and Odin (for example) kicks you into Hel and an eternity of suffering for not believing in him, since you think that "belief" ensures where you go?  I think having a belief would stress me out that I had it wrong considering there is literally zero evidence to go on.  Not sure how religious folks sleep at night with the worry really. 

 

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Thousands of gods have been invented by humans, some estimates have put it at around 18,000.  If you think believing in a god ensures where you go in the afterlife then what makes you think you have the right god?  Aren't you concerned that you rock up in the afterlife and Odin (for example) kicks you into Hel and an eternity of suffering for not believing in him, since you think that "belief" ensures where you go?  I think having a belief would stress me out that I had it wrong considering there is literally zero evidence to go on.  Not sure how religious folks sleep at night with the worry really. 

If there were more than one God we would surely see evidence, as they would be competing for our attention. Especially if there were three or more. God invented us, not the other way around. I don't lose sleep believing. It actually makes life easier knowing I'm a believer, not having to worry as I would if I wasn't.

[jas007]

1 minute ago, scorecard said:

I've never heard any.

Have you been paying attention?  Do a search on "time travel" or "past lives."  

 

People who pop up seemingly out of nowhere, and yet come from the past, or the future.  

 

Or, people who can recall intricate details of past lives, lives lived in another place or another time.  And the details check out.   

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

No need to be rude, each to their own. I adore Vedic philosophy.

You call it philosophy I call it religion. It's a belief system.

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Wait God created Adam and Eve and God created dinosaurs. Adam and Eve were created on the sixth day of creation according to the book so how do dinosaurs fit in with this story. You also didn't address why God created childhood cancers and incurable diseases.

Interestingly I have no responses to this.

[save the frogs]

13 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Advertise your particular version of "The Book" of myths.

I haven't read it yet, but there may be some validity to this hypothesis:

An Israeli mathematician has discovered a hidden code in the Bible that appears to reveal the details of events that took place thousands of years after the Bible was written,

 

[G Rex]

So why is it that we only think of humans, ie Homo sapiens, going to heaven or hell, or perhaps being reincarnated.

 

Is it only Homo sapiens that has a 'soul' or 'energy'?   Why??

 

Religion is a tool to control the masses, or a crutch to allow people think that their next life is going to be better than the sh%tty one they have now.

 

So many religions??   Which one do you chose to be sure you have the right one??

 

In my working life I killed thousands of my patients.   They are all still dead now.  As we used to say - if the drug or the black bag doesn't get them, the freezer and then the fire or land fill always will. 

[save the frogs]

11 hours ago, G Rex said:

In my working life I killed thousands of my patients. 

 

I wonder what he means by that 

[dinsdale]

No After Life. No God.

Sadly anyone who thinks otherwise has been brainwashed and indoctrinated to think so. 

[dinsdale]

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

I wonder what he means by that 

Veterinarian? Not sure about this though. rather strange.

"if the drug or the black bag doesn't get them, the freezer and then the fire or land fill always will." 

[Cameroni]

11 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

No After Life. No God.

Sadly anyone who thinks otherwise has been brainwashed and indoctrinated to think so. 

 

Not so .

 

As Nietzsche said nobody has cut their own head off and come back to tell us what goes down.

 

As Buddha has said it is pointless to speculate about these things, as we have no evidence to decide either way.

 

This in no way means there is no afterlife or no God. It just means there is no evidence. 

 

But as Nietzsche has also taught, "to believe that only that is true for which there is evidence, is a belief for which there is no evidence".

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

 There's a lot of information out there. A person who's brain functions have ceased cannot hallucinate. 

 

If you listened to that video about the Myanmar monk I posted, he was dead for days about to be cremated when he came back Of course some will never believe anything besides what they've been programmed to believe, but some have open minds. 

 

Who really knows what facts and what's exaggerations in the Bible? People wrote it, supposedly listening to God. maybe they changed the stories a little. Noah's ark sounds a little out there, but again, with God anythings possible, as, if you can make a universe from your mind, anything is possible.

 

A child died, and then saw what he saw, stating he saw a grandfather he never knew, and told of a baby sister of his that died stillborn,when his parents never told him about it, even knowing her name.

Circular argument. How do you know their brain functions have ceased?

 

Noted you choose not to justify the concept of original sin.

[G Rex]

33 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

I wonder what he means by that 

 

paid  hitman.

 

 

 

 

no - veterinarian

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Not so .

 

As Nietzsche said nobody has cut their own head off and come back to tell us what goes down.

 

As Buddha has said it is pointless to speculate about these things, as we have no evidence to decide either way.

 

This in no way means there is no afterlife or no God. It just means there is no evidence. 

 

But as Nietzsche has also taught, "to believe that only that is true for which there is evidence, is a belief for which there is no evidence".

Sorry but no evidence, no rational basis then it's BS. Faith is faith. It's based on what your told to believe. If it can be shown that God exists and there is an afterlife I will change my point of view. Someone saying something exists isn't good enough without evidence or some rational basis. As an example of rational would be does life exist somewhere else in the massive universe in which we live. Somewhere around 2 trillion galaxies in the known universe makes me think rationally we are not alone. Using rationality once again to think some almighty being created all this and life exists only on Earth in his image seems completely absurd.

[G Rex]

btw.   I deserve some sort of award for reading through 8 pages of this nonsense!

 

maybe I need to get (another) life?

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I don't have a version. You said what you said and I showed otherwise.The majority do believe in God.

Christianity has been declining in North America and Europe. It is on the rise in the global south, particularly in Africa.

 

The number of religious adherents seems to be inversely related to their level of education.

 

11% of the population of the USA identify as atheist and agnostic. That figure doubles to 24% for American medical professionals.

[fredwiggy]

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Circular argument. How do you know their brain functions have ceased?

 

Noted you choose not to justify the concept of original sin.

Brain function stops a few minutes after death in many occasions. Being dead for hours and in this case three days, means it wasn't there. There have been quite a few instances of this happening, so it stands to reason some of these are legitimate. The child was declared dead after a few minutes and said he was looking down on himself on the operating table, then saw his dad praying in another room. He wasn't told this but mentioned it after he came back to his father. He is the one who saw his unborn sister in heaven, and also his grandfather who he never met. Why do I need to justify the concept of original sin? I never mentioned Adam and Eve.

[dinsdale]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Christianity has been declining in North America and Europe. It is on the rise in the global south, particularly in Africa.

 

The number of religious adherents seems to be inversely related to their level of education.

 

11% of the population of the USA identify as atheist and agnostic. That figure doubles to 24% for American medical professionals.

What's the global south. Antarctica?  Also you do realise that parts of Africa are in the North. As for less people not believing in the almighty, creator of everything it's true. Less people believe this because it makes no rational sense and see what religion is. A dividing and manipulative business.

[Cameroni]

27 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

As an example of rational would be does life exist somewhere else in the massive universe in which we live. Somewhere around 2 trillion galaxies in the known universe makes me think rationally we are not alone.

 

By the same logic you could rationally deduce that if so many disparate cultures came up with a supernatural being or beings, an afterlife, etc, then it has to be more likely than not.

 

But again, that would be mere conjecture. In reality we have to accept that there are some things that cannot be known to us. Even Buddha remained silent on this issue, so did Nietzsche.

 

Your notion that just because there is no evidence therefore  God does not exist is clearly false, after all ithere was no evidence for magnetic fields in 1300, but they still existed then. Not knowing about the evidence is not the same as a thing not existing.

 

Equally, if someone comitted the perfect crime, and there was no evidence, does it mean there was no crime? Clearly not.

[fredwiggy]

11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Christianity has been declining in North America and Europe. It is on the rise in the global south, particularly in Africa.

 

The number of religious adherents seems to be inversely related to their level of education.

 

11% of the population of the USA identify as atheist and agnostic. That figure doubles to 24% for American medical professionals.

And the rest believe in God so. When you find something that's not another's opinion, it might be more valid. Again, why do some put so much energy into trying to disprove God? If you don't care to believe, don't. When you die, you'll see the truth.. 

 

Half of scientists, who some consider very intelligent, believe in God. 24% of medical professionals don't believe in God? What about the other 76% that do? It's always best to read all the information on studies done, as some can be reversed, found inaccurate by others, and are also sometimes opinionated. 

 

There are many factors involved in studies showing a correlation between belief and intelligence, and a lot depends on where these studies are done, as poorer countries many times has a higher percentage of believers as they use it to cope with daily life and the hardships that come. You're also confusing a need for a particular religion than a want. Intelligent people tend to analyze more than using intuition, but that doesn't mean they need that religion but choose to believe as a desire. My dad was a believer, and had a genius level IQ, as did a Catholic priest we had in grammar school, and a few teachers I had in high school. All strong believers. This explains how there are many different factors that go into that thinking..................https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence

[fredwiggy]

44 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Sorry but no evidence, no rational basis then it's BS. Faith is faith. It's based on what your told to believe. If it can be shown that God exists and there is an afterlife I will change my point of view. Someone saying something exists isn't good enough without evidence or some rational basis. As an example of rational would be does life exist somewhere else in the massive universe in which we live. Somewhere around 2 trillion galaxies in the known universe makes me think rationally we are not alone. Using rationality once again to think some almighty being created all this and life exists only on Earth in his image seems completely absurd.

Faith is based on what you choose to believe. Not all people are brainwashed into believing either way. Everyone would love to see more evidence of God, but that's what faith is about. He gives you a chance to decide for yourself, and the outcome will be shown when you die. Turning your back on God is the only unpardonable sn, so most of us won't do that.

[Lacessit]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

And the rest believe in God so. When you find something that's not another's opinion, it might be more valid. Again, why do some put so much energy into trying to disprove God? If you don't care to believe, don't. When you die, you'll see the truth.. 

 

Half of scientists, who some consider very intelligent, believe in God. 24% of medical professionals don't believe in God? What about the other 76% that do? It's always best to read all the information on studies done, as some can be reversed, found inaccurate by others, and are also sometimes opinionated. 

 

There are many factors involved in studies showing a correlation between belief and intelligence, and a lot depends on where these studies are done, as poorer countries many times has a higher percentage of believers as they use it to cope with daily life and the hardships that come. You're also confusing a need for a particular religion than a want. Intelligent people tend to analyze more than using intuition, but that doesn't mean they need that religion but choose to believe as a desire. My dad was a believer, and had a genius level IQ, as did a Catholic priest we had in grammar school, and a few teachers I had in high school. All strong believers. This explains how there are many different factors that go into that thinking..................https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religiosity_and_intelligence

"When you die, you'll see the truth."

 

I won't see the truth, I will be dead. My brain will have ceased functioning, as will yours when you die.

 

Quite pathetic how people cling to the belief of an afterlife, like a rescue buoy.

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

No After Life. No God.

Sadly anyone who thinks otherwise has been brainwashed and indoctrinated to think so. 

Or has thought about it and made a decision to believe in something that makes sense.People also can be brainwashed by other disbelievers or haters of God, especially if they're your parents.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, Lacessit said:

"When you die, you'll see the truth."

 

I won't see the truth, I will be dead. My brain will have ceased functioning, as will yours when you die.

 

Quite pathetic how people cling to the belief of an afterlife, like a rescue buoy.

And quite pathetic that some believe that this is all there is, after seeing all the universe has to offer and knowing all of it couldn't have happened by chance. yes, when you die, you will see, as everyone talks to God................

 

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

By the same logic you could rationally deduce that if so many disparate cultures came up with a supernatural being or beings, an afterlife, etc, then it has to be more likely than not.

No. This is a ridiculous argument. There are numerous religions, deities etc. with millions putting their faith in one or the other or one version or the other. Doesn't make it any more likely God exists without evidence. It's simply faith. What those in any particular religion have been told is true. Evidence is not needed. Faith is needed. You need to believe what you're told.   

[dinsdale]

12 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

When you die, you'll see the truth.. 

Nup! When you die that's it mate. Believe what you like but until someone who has died tells me there's a heaven or until God presents himself/herself/itself to the entire population of the world it's all nonsense. Sadly you are one of the billions who have been brainwashed from birth. This is why I say religion is the greatest crime against humanity. It brainwashes children to perpetuate a myth. Absolutely shameful to deny children the right to freedom of choice and thought. Fortunately my mother gave me that freedom. I have lived my life as a rational thinker not bound by religious doctrine.

[Cameroni]

30 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

No. This is a ridiculous argument. There are numerous religions, deities etc. with millions putting their faith in one or the other or one version or the other. Doesn't make it any more likely God exists without evidence. It's simply faith. What those in any particular religion have been told is true. Evidence is not needed. Faith is needed. You need to believe what you're told.   

 

Not any more ridiculous than your previous argument that because there are so many planets and galaxies "we are not alone", in the total absence of evidence.

 

Same same.

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Not any more ridiculous than your previous argument that because there are so many planets and galaxies "we are not alone", in the total absence of evidence.

 

Same same.

I never claimed there is evidence of this because as it is there isn't. Not yet. What I was saying was it's more rational to think we are not alone in billions of galaxies than to think one almighty being created billions of galaxies and we are alone in billions of galaxies and we are created in God's image.  Which makes more sense to you? You know what does but you won't or can't admit it. Our galaxy alone has hundreds of billions planets in a universe with billions of galaxies. The numbers and distances are incomprehensible. You think God or a God did all this?

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

And quite pathetic that some believe that this is all there is, after seeing all the universe has to offer and knowing all of it couldn't have happened by chance. yes, when you die, you will see, as everyone talks to God................

 

I am pretty confident you won't be coming back to tell me I am wrong.