If there is no life after death...

[dinsdale]

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

It's a belief system, personal, and with no explanation needed.

Correct. It's a belief system. Believing something is real doesn't make it real. Very young children believe Santa is real because that's what they're led to believe. 

[Globalres]

3 hours ago, Lacessit said:

If it were not for the modern medical system, I would be dead 2-3 times over. About 20 years ago, or 2 years ago.

 

I am pretty sure any prayers to a deity would have been useless.

 

Your post is a good example of why the concept of evolution has been so unpopular with religious groups.

I agree, modern medicine is outstanding when it comes to acute problems: heart attacks, strokes, accidents, food poisoning, broken bones, acute wounds, just to name a few.  However, modern allopathic medicine lacks in the understanding of chronic, metabolic, endocrine problems, these problems are treated with symtom releavers, not curing the patient.  
I too doubt any prayers to a deity would have helped in your case.

[save the frogs]

13 hours ago, fittobethaied said:

It is all in God's Word, The Holy Bible! I can't read it for you. You have to read it for yourself and ask The Holy Spirit to give you revelation knowledge to understand what you are reading. The Word of God is not intellectually discerned; It is spiritually discerned, and without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you will never figure it out. When you read and receive God's Word as Truth, then He will open your eyes and heart to receive more and more Truth day by day. The minute your heart begins to reject what you are reading, the revelation from God stops dead in it's tracks, and He will even take back the knowledge that He has already revealed to you and allow you to be spiritually blind once again. That's the very reason that so many people can begin reading the Word of God and throw is away so quickly claiming that It is all nonsense. When you reject God and His teachings, He turns you over to a reprobate mind to continue in your sinful ways. 

 

Your belief system is complete nonsense.

 

A serial killer can rape and murder 10,000 women and then on his dying breath "turn to God" and "believe in Jesus" and he's good to go for Heaven.

 

Completely absurd stupidity. 

 

 

[hotsun]

3 hours ago, fittobethaied said:

It is all in God's Word, The Holy Bible! I can't read it for you. You have to read it for yourself and ask The Holy Spirit to give you revelation knowledge to understand what you are reading. The Word of God is not intellectually discerned; It is spiritually discerned, and without the guidance of the Holy Spirit, you will never figure it out. When you read and receive God's Word as Truth, then He will open your eyes and heart to receive more and more Truth day by day. The minute your heart begins to reject what you are reading, the revelation from God stops dead in it's tracks, and He will even take back the knowledge that He has already revealed to you and allow you to be spiritually blind once again. That's the very reason that so many people can begin reading the Word of God and throw is away so quickly claiming that It is all nonsense. When you reject God and His teachings, He turns you over to a reprobate mind to continue in your sinful ways. 

Ive sinned but have stopped sinning. Im still not religious and dont need to be to know whats right or wrong

[save the frogs]

16 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, and it amazes me that some think it all happened by chance, that all of what we know and see here isn't by a detailed plan.

 

The problem is people are compartmentalizing and not able to piece-meal and separate out information. 

 

There is likely Intelligent Design, but that doesn't mean The Bible has a monopoly on everything that has to do with God. 

 

People read the Bible and conclude that it doesn't make sense and then throw out the baby with the bathwater and become atheists and don't believe in an after-life and don't believe in anything esoteric.

 

I believe in an after-life, but I don't believe The Bible has a monopoly on what it is. 

In fact, the Bible has prevented people from trying to find information elsewhere. 

 

And once again, the basic premise of your belief is absurd nonsense. A murderer can "get into Heaven" a few minutes before death just by saying "I accept Jesus as my savior". 

 

 

[save the frogs]

14 hours ago, fittobethaied said:

It is all in God's Word, The Holy Bible! I can't read it for you. You have to read it for yourself and ask The Holy Spirit to give you revelation knowledge to understand what you are reading.

 

The Bible is stupid in many ways.

 

It neglects to mention what is right in front of our eyes. That Heaven and Hell already exist right here on Earth. 

If you live in Gaza where you are constantly being bombed, you're not in Hell? Then where are you?

 

It has nothing to do with belief as many of these people actually are very religious. 

 

So you can be very religious, but live in a place being bombed all your life, but you're good to go when you die?

 

Maybe you should try refining your theory. 

 

[fredwiggy]

13 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

The problem is people are compartmentalizing and not able to piece-meal and separate out information. 

 

There is likely Intelligent Design, but that doesn't mean The Bible has a monopoly on everything that has to do with God. 

 

People read the Bible and conclude that it doesn't make sense and then throw out the baby with the bathwater and become atheists and don't believe in an after-life and don't believe in anything esoteric.

 

I believe in an after-life, but I don't believe The Bible has a monopoly on what it is. 

In fact, the Bible has prevented people from trying to find information elsewhere. 

 

And once again, the basic premise of your belief is absurd nonsense. A murderer can "get into Heaven" a few minutes before death just by saying "I accept Jesus as my savior". 

 

 

Okay with all besides that last line. I didn't say anything like that. No one can say who's going to heaven or not, or if there is a hell or purgatory. God knows your heart and thinking you can do whatever you want and just say I accept Jesus surely won't cut it. Repenting means you are sorry. Words are cheap. The only thing that detours from that just a bit is when the man who as crucified next to Christ asked for forgiveness and Jesus said. "today you will be with me in paradise". I'm thinking he really meant it and so did Jesus. 

 

Thinking Hitler could have saved his soul by asking God to forgive him is far fetched but who knows? No one knows anyone else's heart and can only see how they act. A man can be a stern bastard , gruff to most anyone, and quiet but he might be closer to God than we think. That's why assuming here doesn't work. Hitler was a sociopath with deep seated problems, and his childhood wasn't a good one, so he was a victim also, but it doesn't excuse how far he went with hatred. 

 

You have to try and live as good of a person as you can be, as no one's without sins or anger, but the most important thing is not turning your back on God, which keeps you thinking right no matter how wrong you might be in other ways.

 

The Bible might have some things that aren't spot on, but it's men who wrote it so it could be a little off. That's not the problem as the Bible is mostly about living right and what happened before. A history book and Jesus' life in the New Testament. Anything that can get us closer to God is good, including the Bible, other believers, church and other books that correlate with Jesus' teachings.

[novanova]

6 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I haven't made any errors but you keep coming back, like a certain other AN member, ASSUMING....................................... YOU require supporting evidence and  we as believers go by faith. Read the definition if it escapes you. We don't need evidence, although it would be nice to see God before we die................................. Read those last three lines over and over, because you're too dense to understand what I've been saying all along. 

 

I could also say you were told some BS as a child, which led you to believe God doesn't exist. Assuming in almost every line of your replies about what I know. You have your opinions, and they mean nothing. Prove God doesn't exist, or stop your nonsense, because it's only you and others that can't fathom a God that isn't getting why we believe. We don't need evidence. Capiche?

 

we as believers go by faith... We don't need evidence...

 

Congratulations! You have finally got to the point. Rational, post-Enlightenment people base their views on an evaluation of evidence. You don't. You can't afford to; your position would be exposed as stupid and untenable if you had to provide a factual basis for it.

 

Bertrand Russell: "Faith: The name given for a belief for which there is no evidence"

 

You don't believe, your deal. I believe, my deal. Do you still not get this basic concept?

 

You are correct. The error you are making, over and over again, is that of false equivalence. I am a believer in evolution. The supporting evidence is beyond overwhelming. There are believers in creationism. There is no supporting evidence for this. For you to say "my belief, your belief" ignores the elephant in the room: supporting evidence.

 

Suppose I were to tell my friends that I was a believer in numerology, for which there is zero evidence. "I believe, my deal", yes?

 

No, they would rush me to a hospital. But when you waffle away about gods and the afterlife, you think you should be taken seriously. Beyond bizarre.

 

You can't prove there isn't a God.

 

I repeat, yet again, proving negatives is not possible. "Prove there isn't a magic dragon flying around Alpha Centauri". As you see, 'proving negatives' is ridiculous. Even though you are religious, it still could be possible for you to learn simple facts. So start with that one.

 

[fredwiggy]

17 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

The Bible is stupid in many ways.

 

It neglects to mention what is right in front of our eyes. That Heaven and Hell already exist right here on Earth. 

If you live in Gaza where you are constantly being bombed, you're not in Hell? Then where are you?

 

It has nothing to do with belief as many of these people actually are very religious. 

 

So you can be very religious, but live in a place being bombed all your life, but you're good to go when you die?

 

Maybe you should try refining your theory. 

 

The more conflict a person has the closer they need to be with God. That you could die any second should have you looking towards the next life. 

 

People who are rich and live on beautiful islands think they have it made, even though they can get sick and pass in a few days, or an accident can happen. People like this tend to forget about God, as they have an easy life, but no matter where or how you live, no one lives forever and history has shown us that you can take great care of yourself and pass young, and do everything wrong and live to 100. No guarantees and it's all short anyway.

 

The only thing necessary is your own personal relationship with God, as no one else matters and can't help you with that relationship.

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, novanova said:

 

we as believers go by faith... We don't need evidence...

 

Congratulations! You have finally got to the point. Rational, post-Enlightenment people base their views on an evaluation of evidence. You don't. You can't afford to; your position would be exposed as stupid and untenable if you had to provide a factual basis for it.

 

Bertrand Russell: "Faith: The name given for a belief for which there is no evidence"

 

You don't believe, your deal. I believe, my deal. Do you still not get this basic concept?

 

You are correct. The error you are making, over and over again, is that of false equivalence. I am a believer in evolution. The supporting evidence is beyond overwhelming. There are believers in creationism. There is no supporting evidence for this. For you to say "my belief, your belief" ignores the elephant in the room: supporting evidence.

 

Suppose I were to tell my friends that I was a believer in numerology, for which there is zero evidence. "I believe, my deal", yes?

 

No, they would rush me to a hospital. But when you waffle away about gods and the afterlife, you think you should be taken seriously. Beyond bizarre.

 

You can't prove there isn't a God.

 

I repeat, yet again, proving negatives is not possible. "Prove there isn't a magic dragon flying around Alpha Centauri". As you see, 'proving negatives' is ridiculous. Even though you are religious, it still could be possible for you to learn simple facts. So start with that one.

 

Congratulations to you, as you finally understood my point. I haven't made any errors. You just aren't listening enough. I don't need to prove anything to you. Only God. You're just another in the long line of non believers that think we need to prove ourselves, as you feel your side is right. It's you that's lost, not I. God is only a negative to you.

 

I'm thinking it's you that needs to learn a few things, but seeing a few of us tried to explain them, and you dismissed them, you're outta luck. And I'm not "religious", and that's another thing you're missing. Very sad that you actually think you're right about this, but you'll find out someday.

[novanova]

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Congratulations to you, as you finally understood my point. I haven't made any errors. You just aren't listening enough. I don't need to prove anything to you. Only God. You're just another in the long line of non believers that think we need to prove ourselves, as you feel your side is right. It's you that's lost, not I. God is only a negative to you.

 

I'm thinking it's you that needs to learn a few things, but seeing a few of us tried to explain them, and you dismissed them, you're outta luck. And I'm not "religious", and that's another thing you're missing. Very sad that you actually think you're right about this, but you'll find out someday.

 

Wow!!

 

Let me get this straight.

 

The only thing necessary is your own personal relationship with God

then you say:

I'm not "religious"

And you expect to be taken seriously!!

 

I'm thinking it's you that needs to learn a few things, but seeing a few of us tried to explain them, and you dismissed them...

All I want is supporting evidence for an intellectual position. When will you provide some?

 

I haven't made any errors.

Says the guy who believes in magic apples and talking snakes, and thinks the universe was made in seven days. BWAHAHAHA!

 

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Globalres said:

I agree, modern medicine is outstanding when it comes to acute problems: heart attacks, strokes, accidents, food poisoning, broken bones, acute wounds, just to name a few.  However, modern allopathic medicine lacks in the understanding of chronic, metabolic, endocrine problems, these problems are treated with symtom releavers, not curing the patient.  
I too doubt any prayers to a deity would have helped in your case.

Put simply, there is more money to be made from medicines which allay symptoms, than those that completely cure a condition, so that is where the research mostly goes.

 

Having said that, the advances in targeted inhibitors and immunology over the last 20 years are quite incredible.

[fredwiggy]

15 minutes ago, novanova said:

 

Wow!!

 

Let me get this straight.

 

The only thing necessary is your own personal relationship with God

then you say:

I'm not "religious"

And you expect to be taken seriously!!

 

I'm thinking it's you that needs to learn a few things, but seeing a few of us tried to explain them, and you dismissed them...

All I want is supporting evidence for an intellectual position. When will you provide some?

 

I haven't made any errors.

Says the guy who believes in magic apples and talking snakes, and thinks the universe was made in seven days. BWAHAHAHA!

 

That you don't believe in God is one thing, but it's also apparent you don't understand religion and a personal relationship[ with God aren't the same things. This should, or should I say might, explain it to you...........Religion is a structured system of beliefs and practices, while a personal relationship with God is a subjective, individual experience.

 

Where did I say I believe in magic apples and snakes? I think you are one of those that listens to everyone and mixes up replies from others. I did say I know about original sin but I did say that doesn't mean I believe it happened. Maybe it did, and it was God's way to keep us in line, that we should listen to who created us, as he knows what's best for us, and a simple lesson, test, about the apple and the snake was a learning tool.

 

And I didn't say the universe was made in 7 days. No one knows how long it took, and it says in the Bible 7 days, where days to us might not be the same to God, as it also mentioned. You remind me of a Proverb  14:7-9.  Might take some time and try to understand God better, as you aren't qualified to comment on things you don't understand. Lastly, what were your previous usernames here?

[novanova]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That you don't believe in God is one thing, but it's also apparent you don't understand religion and a personal relationship[ with God aren't the same things. This should, or should I say might, explain it to you...........Religion is a structured system of beliefs and practices, while a personal relationship with God is a subjective, individual experience.

 

Where did I say I believe in magic apples and snakes? I think you are one of those that listens to everyone and mixes up replies from others. I did say I know about original sin but I did say that doesn't mean I believe it happened. Maybe it did, and it was God's way to keep us in line, that we should listen to who created us, as he knows what's best for us, and a simple lesson, test, about the apple and the snake was a learning tool.

 

And I didn't say the universe was made in 7 days. No one knows how long it took, and it says in the Bible 7 days, where days to us might not be the same to God, as it also mentioned. You remind me of a Proverb  14:7-9.  Might take some time and try to understand God better, as you aren't qualified to comment on things you don't understand.

 

Au contraire!  Religion and a "personal relationship with God" ARE the same thing - they are each the product of the corruption of the intellects of small children. This is a dreadful thing to do.

 

You want to quibble about a few trivial details, while you are forced to ignore the elephant in the room - there is no case whatsoever in favour of "a god exists". All you can do is say "I believe". Pitiful.

 

As a "personal believer", you operate under the delusion that you are being wise and selective in choosing the bits that you like out of the plagiarised nonsense that comprise the bible.  Blasphemy!  Since when are you the arbiter of the bible's authenticity? There was a time when you would have been put to death for that.

 

As I said before, malaria kills about a million infants a year. God could fix that in a jiffy. He hasn't.

 

Therefore:

- god likes killing small children, or

- god has stuffed up, or

- there is no god

 

Like all the other fact-free god-toadies, you want to hide behind an absurd "it's god's plan". 

 

Really? Tell me more about this plan. Explain to me how it's good/wise/beneficial to kill millions of infants and cause untold harm and distress.

 

Bertrand Russell: "I should think his ethics highly-suspect, and should most certainly not think him worthy of worship."

 

Confess!

"I was fed a load of nonsense as a small child, and as a consequence, I have a lot of irrational points of view. To repair that would be a big job, and I'm not up to it right now."

[fredwiggy]

Just now, novanova said:

 

Au contraire!  Religion and a "personal relationship with God" ARE the same thing - they are each the product of the corruption of the intellects of small children. This is a dreadful thing to do.

 

You want to quibble about a few trivial details, while you are forced to ignore the elephant in the room - there is no case whatsoever in favour of "a god exists". All you can do is say "I believe". Pitiful.

 

As a "personal believer", you operate under the delusion that you are being wise and selective in choosing the bits that you like out of the plagiarised nonsense that comprise the bible.  Blasphemy!  Since when are you the arbiter of the bible's authenticity? There was a time when you would have been put to death for that.

 

As I said before, malaria kills about a million infants a year. God could fix that in a jiffy. He hasn't.

 

Therefore:

- god likes killing small children, or

- god has stuffed up, or

- there is no god

 

Like all the other fact-free god-toadies, you want to hide behind an absurd "it's god's plan". 

 

Really? Tell me more about this plan. Explain to me how it's good/wise/beneficial to kill millions of infants and cause untold harm and distress.

 

Bertrand Russell: "I should think his ethics highly-suspect, and should most certainly not think him worthy of worship."

 

Confess!

"I was fed a load of nonsense as a small child, and as a consequence, I have a lot of irrational points of view. To repair that would be a big job, and I'm not up to it right now."

Proverb 14:7-9   Educate yourself before you join things you know nothing about. Your beliefs are yours. Mine are mine. You'll never understand and dismiss everything others say, so it's a waste of time conversing with you. And stop changing your usernames, because I'm surely not the only one who knows who you are. And your banter is getting old.

[novanova]

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Proverb 14:7-9   Educate yourself before you join things you know nothing about. Your beliefs are yours. Mine are mine. You'll never understand and dismiss everything others say, so it's a waste of time conversing with you. And stop changing your usernames, because I'm surely not the only one who knows who you are. And your banter is getting old.

 

Psalm 137:9: Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

 

Yet again you are showing that you cannot understand the basics - a belief with supporting evidence is not in the same class as a belief with zero supporting evidence. You have to pretend they are the same, otherwise it would expose the nonsensical nature of your position.

 

You are as right about god as you are about my "changing your usernames"... there is no evidence for either. I have not changed my username.

 

You are absolutely correct: I dismiss assertions for which there is no evidence.

 

Why have you repeatedly avoided the malaria subject? Because it exposes your position as untenable, yes?

 

Over and over and over again you have had to avoid the fact - you have nothing to support your case other than "I believe".

 

Feeble.

[fredwiggy]

9 hours ago, novanova said:

 

Psalm 137:9: Happy is the one who seizes your infants and dashes them against the rocks.

 

Yet again you are showing that you cannot understand the basics - a belief with supporting evidence is not in the same class as a belief with zero supporting evidence. You have to pretend they are the same, otherwise it would expose the nonsensical nature of your position.

 

You are as right about god as you are about my "changing your usernames"... there is no evidence for either. I have not changed my username.

 

You are absolutely correct: I dismiss assertions for which there is no evidence.

 

Why have you repeatedly avoided the malaria subject? Because it exposes your position as untenable, yes?

 

Over and over and over again you have had to avoid the fact - you have nothing to support your case other than "I believe".

 

Feeble.

I don't need evidence for God. You don't need to  comment, as, again, you have no evidence of knowledge of him. I already answered enough about this subject but you still don't understand the concept of stay out of topics that aren't of your interest. I don't need evidence of your usernames as it's you that doesn't get the concept of you're not fooling anyone.  Feeble is what's between your ears. Let it go, or read what Globales or fittobethaied said. You're not replying to them because you're a troll, and , like you've been with your other usernames before, you can't stay away from people who have called you out and proven you wrong time after time.

[ChrisKC]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I don't need evidence for God. You don't need to  comment, as, again, you have no evidence of knowledge of him. I already answered enough about this subject but you still don't understand the concept of stay out of topics that aren't of your interest. I don't need evidence of your usernames as it's you that doesn't get the concept of you're not fooling anyone.  Feeble is what's between your ears. Let it go, or read what Globales or fittobethaied said. You're not replying to them because you're a troll, and , like you've been with your other usernames before, you can't stay away from people who have called you out and proven you wrong time after time.

You are last one to talk of those "feeble between the ears" it is clear that as an adult, your body has grown up but your brain has remained dead to the reality that passes you by every minute of your life. Stay in your limited bubble and leave us alone. 

[fredwiggy]

11 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

You are last one to talk of those "feeble between the ears" it is clear that as an adult, your body has grown up but your brain has remained dead to the reality that passes you by every minute of your life. Stay in your limited bubble and leave us alone. 

Keep assuming you know me just because of my belief in God. That shows a lack of restraint and plain common sense. And don't bother answering for others because you and many that think like you are the minority. You have no idea how smart people here are, and believing in God doesn't make you stupid. Answering like you did makes you suspect. You and your buddy there come across as.........

[ChrisKC]

8 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Keep assuming you know me just because of my belief in God. That shows a lack of restraint and plain common sense. And don't bother answering for others because you and many that think like you are the minority. You have no idea how smart people here are, and believing in God doesn't make you stupid. Answering like you did makes you suspect. You and your buddy there come across as.........

More waffle with no substance! Give it up man!

 

I know enough about you to know:

 

all my comments remain valid!

[Hummin]

16 hours ago, Globalres said:

  However, modern allopathic medicine lacks in the understanding of chronic, metabolic, endocrine problems, these problems are treated with symtom releavers, not curing the patient.  

These problems/illnesses often combined with mental health and additionally lifestyle illnesses.

 

Understanding simple stress related illnesses combined with lifestyle and mental health is somewhat Dr's do not digg deep enough in to, and instead give medicine to mask up.

 

 

 

 

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

More waffle with no substance! Give it up man!

 

I know enough about you to know:

 

all my comments remain valid!

I have to ask you, as you don't seem to be a person who changes usernames like they do underwear. What the hell is wrong with you? You don't know me, nor anyone else on this forum. If you don't believe in God, stay out of arguing with those that do. Is that too hard for you to understand?

 

The topic is, "If there is no life after death". You can comment, but attacking others because they are believers and you aren't is childish and everyone here knows it. 

 

A few come here to troll, and if that's your deal, you'll be marked for life the more you do it. 

 

Insulting people you don't know, because they are stating their belief in God, saying,.............." it is clear that as an adult, your body has grown up but your brain has remained dead to the reality that passes you by every minute of your life. Stay in your limited bubble and leave us alone"..................shows just how disturbed you are, actually thinking you know how intelligent a person you've never met is. 

 

You, like the other dolt here that is only here to troll others because they've called them out on ignorance in the past, are actually calling people brain dead when you don't agree with their choice of belief. Do you not understand it's a personal thing, and has nothing to do with anyone, let alone someone who has little to no knowledge of what God is?  

 

Why aren't you commenting on Globales or fittobethaied's replies? It's because, again, you're a troll, like that other one, who was either called out or proven wrong before, or you have a lack of knowledge on a subject I was part of, disagreed with me because of it, and feels the need to come back in other topics just to call names and troll just for the sake of trolling. Grow up.

[hotandsticky]

25 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 If you don't believe in God, stay out of arguing with those that do. Is that too hard for you to understand?

 

 

 

You lost me forever with that comment.

 

 

Surely, all God botherers are not that arrogant.

[ChrisKC]

24 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I have to ask you, as you don't seem to be a person who changes usernames like they do underwear. What the hell is wrong with you? You don't know me, nor anyone else on this forum. If you don't believe in God, stay out of arguing with those that do. Is that too hard for you to understand?

 

The topic is, "If there is no life after death". You can comment, but attacking others because they are believers and you aren't is childish and everyone here knows it. 

 

A few come here to troll, and if that's your deal, you'll be marked for life the more you do it. 

 

Insulting people you don't know, because they are stating their belief in God, saying,.............." it is clear that as an adult, your body has grown up but your brain has remained dead to the reality that passes you by every minute of your life. Stay in your limited bubble and leave us alone"..................shows just how disturbed you are, actually thinking you know how intelligent a person you've never met is. 

 

You, like the other dolt here that is only here to troll others because they've called them out on ignorance in the past, are actually calling people brain dead when you don't agree with their choice of belief. Do you not understand it's a personal thing, and has nothing to do with anyone, let alone someone who has little to no knowledge of what God is?  

 

Why aren't you commenting on Globales or fittobethaied's replies? It's because, again, you're a troll, like that other one, who was either called out or proven wrong before, or you have a lack of knowledge on a subject I was part of, disagreed with me because of it, and feels the need to come back in other topics just to call names and troll just for the sake of trolling. Grow up.

More waffle, not interested!! - you are wasting your time and mine! gods are not the problem for me - they are nothing! Religion is the problem - is and always has been!

[fittobethaied]

16 hours ago, save the frogs said:

 

Your belief system is complete nonsense.

 

A serial killer can rape and murder 10,000 women and then on his dying breath "turn to God" and "believe in Jesus" and he's good to go for Heaven.

 

Completely absurd stupidity. 

 

 

Sir, the Word of God identifies people who think as you do:

1 Corinthians 1:18 says....For the message of the cross is foolishness [absurd and illogical] to those who are perishing and spiritually dead [because they reject it], but to us who are being saved [by God’s grace] it is [the manifestation of] the power of God.

The fact is, there are very few death bed confessions and events of true repentance. The Bible says that NO ONE can be "saved" from the Lake of Fire and come to God on their own unless they be drawn by The Holy Spirit. You don't choose God....God chooses you based upon your genuine faith in the atoning work of Jesus Christ on the Cross. It is a continuous process of being wooed by The Holy Spirit. God knows the past, present and future, and He sees the intent of your heart. Deathbed cries to God are generally based on nothing but emotion and feeling sorry for the wretched life that one has lived. It's one's last and final attempt to "buy fire insurance" to keep them out of Hell's fire. I'm sorry my friend, but it just doesn't work that way. Those kinds of cries never even make it past the ceiling. No one fools God!

Most people spend their entire lives creating out of a sinful heart and a corrupt mind their own image of God, His attributes and the way that He operates within the Kingdom of God. If you really want to know how He thinks and why He does what He does, then you have to read The Word of God and ask Him to reveal His Truths to you. If you continue to reject Him, then the very millisecond that your physical body ceases to function, you will find yourself awake in the presence of Jesus Christ at The Great White Throne Judgement to be condemned to The Lake of Fire. There will be no second chances. Be afraid my friend, be very afraid! 

[fredwiggy]

40 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

More waffle, not interested!! - you are wasting your time and mine! gods are not the problem for me - they are nothing! Religion is the problem - is and always has been!

Then stop replying?

[ChrisKC]

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Then stop replying?

Yeah, thank goodness for that!

[novanova]

25 minutes ago, fittobethaied said:

Sir, the Word of God identifies people who think as you do:

1 Corinthians 1:18 says....For the message of the cross is foolishness [absurd and illogical] to those who are perishing and spiritually dead [because they reject it], but to us who are being saved [by God’s grace] it is [the manifestation of] the power of God.

The fact is, there are very few death bed confessions and events of true repentance. The Bible says that NO ONE can be "saved" from the Lake of Fire and come to God on their own unless they be drawn by The Holy Spirit. You don't choose God....God chooses you based upon your genuine faith in the atoning work of Jesus Christ on the Cross. It is a continuous process of being wooed by The Holy Spirit. God knows the past, present and future, and He sees the intent of your heart. Deathbed cries to God are generally based on nothing but emotion and feeling sorry for the wretched life that one has lived. It's one's last and final attempt to "buy fire insurance" to keep them out of Hell's fire. I'm sorry my friend, but it just doesn't work that way. Those kinds of cries never even make it past the ceiling. No one fools God!

Most people spend their entire lives creating out of a sinful heart and a corrupt mind their own image of God, His attributes and the way that He operates within the Kingdom of God. If you really want to know how He thinks and why He does what He does, then you have to read The Word of God and ask Him to reveal His Truths to you. If you continue to reject Him, then the very millisecond that your physical body ceases to function, you will find yourself awake in the presence of Jesus Christ at The Great White Throne Judgement to be condemned to The Lake of Fire. There will be no second chances. Be afraid my friend, be very afraid! 

 

Sigh. Another poor individual who had their intellect pickled with the disease of religion when a small child.

 

Do you have ANY supporting evidence for your assertions? Any FACTUAL reason for supposing a god exists? "It's what i was told when I was two" doesn't count.

 

The bible is silly nonsense written by silly old men. That's why it's stuffed full of absurdities and ridiculous gibberish. Its purpose was to control the plebs.

 

The only way the church can keep going is to indoctrinate small children. This is genuinely evil - it causes many people to be unable to think clearly.  The faster the cancer of religion is eradicated, the better.

 

Most people spend their entire lives creating out of a sinful heart and a corrupt mind their own image of God.

 

Gibberish. There is no evidence for a god. None whatsoever.

[JackGats]

If some people die in your community, and you and your dog are still alive, it means there's life after death.

[fittobethaied]

1 hour ago, novanova said:

 

Sigh. Another poor individual who had their intellect pickled with the disease of religion when a small child.

 

Do you have ANY supporting evidence for your assertions? Any FACTUAL reason for supposing a god exists? "It's what i was told when I was two" doesn't count.

 

The bible is silly nonsense written by silly old men. That's why it's stuffed full of absurdities and ridiculous gibberish. Its purpose was to control the plebs.

 

The only way the church can keep going is to indoctrinate small children. This is genuinely evil - it causes many people to be unable to think clearly.  The faster the cancer of religion is eradicated, the better.

 

Most people spend their entire lives creating out of a sinful heart and a corrupt mind their own image of God.

 

Gibberish. There is no evidence for a god. None whatsoever.

Dear Sir, the evidence of God is all around you, and you are without excuse.