A question about cross-dressing

[fredwiggy]

3 hours ago, Freddy42OZ said:

I don't care what other people want to do with their emotions and their sex lives. 

I know a few friends with kids that have decided to change their pronouns or their gender identity. 

The one thing I have noticed is that ALL of the kids who were born female but ended up being fat and either plain or actually ugly have chosen to dress and act male, or turn asexual.

One of my friends has a daughter named Elizabeth. Elizabeth is a fat, ugly girl who has worn shapeless black clothing since she was about 10 years old and goes by the name 'Ace'.  She just graduated high school.  She knew by age 10 that no boys would ever find here attractive and feminine so she's chosen to be asexual. I don't think she's gay, I think she just knows she'll never fit into the societal role of being an attractive female.

I've seen countless thousands of fat females that still act female, dress accordingly, and the ones I've known personally have done the same, have children, are good moms, treat their husbands well, and act like women with makeup, nice clothes , feminine basically. so where you get they ALL act male or asexual I have no idea. I lived in the US 62 years, and saw my share of women you described, as far as overweight and some yes act butch, but it's a minority, especially as adults.

[WDSmart]

On 5/27/2025 at 8:08 AM, Krillin said:

1.) What percentage of this is due to peer pressure?
2.) What percentage continue to live like this as adults?
3.) Would these people face discrimination from society if they decided that their previous ways of dressing and acting had been "a phase?"
4.) How do Thai parents typically react to their children cross-dressing or identifying as LGBTQ?

After having lived in Thailand for about 20 years, my answers (some are guesses) to the questions above are as follows:

1.) What percentage of this is due to peer pressure?
- 0%. I think they're just trying out something different.
2.) What percentage continue to live like this as adults?
- 5 to 10% (A guess)
3.) Would these people face discrimination from society if they decided that their previous ways of dressing and acting had been "a phase?"
- No. (An opinion)
4.) How do Thai parents typically react to their children cross-dressing or identifying as LGBTQ?
- They are okay with it. (Limited knowledge, but based on a few personal experiences)

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

I've never heard that. Do you have a link?

Im not going to disgrace this board by posting the digusting vids. Google it.

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Im not going to disgrace this board by posting the digusting vids. Google it.

I'm thinking they don't exist. People walking down the street saying, "we're queer and we want your kids". would have people throwing things at them or much worse. Gays aren't the ones after kids. It's mostly straight people that have been abused as children that attack children.

[Baht Simpson]

3 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm thinking they don't exist. People walking down the street saying, "we're queer and we want your kids". would have people throwing things at them or much worse. Gays aren't the ones after kids. It's mostly straight people that have been abused as children that attack children.

Apparently, it was "we're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children" chanted by a few people at the New York Drag March in 2023 and was meant as an ironic riposte to claims of them harming children. 

 

The chant was adapted from "we're here, we're queer, we're not going away" which was used some time ago. It's meant to be provocative of course but personally I think it was ill-judged in the present political climate and it was criticized by both sides of the trans debate. 

 

Nevertheless condemning all LGBT+ and claiming it proves they're harming children is clearly preposterous. 

[SAFETY FIRST]

On 5/27/2025 at 8:08 AM, Krillin said:

I have a delicate question,

Thank you for answering and avoiding heated arguments

identifying as LGBTQ

A delicate question deserves a delicate reply. 

I saw this sign yesterday.  

Entrance through the backside. 😮

 

Isn't that how they do it? 

 

[fredwiggy]

9 hours ago, Baht Simpson said:

Apparently, it was "we're here, we're queer, we're coming for your children" chanted by a few people at the New York Drag March in 2023 and was meant as an ironic riposte to claims of them harming children. 

 

The chant was adapted from "we're here, we're queer, we're not going away" which was used some time ago. It's meant to be provocative of course but personally I think it was ill-judged in the present political climate and it was criticized by both sides of the trans debate. 

 

Nevertheless condemning all LGBT+ and claiming it proves they're harming children is clearly preposterous. 

Thank you for clarifying. Some don't read enough on a subject before replying, and many assumptions are made with not enough information.

[Krillin]

On 5/28/2025 at 4:44 PM, WDSmart said:

After having lived in Thailand for about 20 years, my answers (some are guesses) to the questions above are as follows:

1.) What percentage of this is due to peer pressure?
- 0%. I think they're just trying out something different.
2.) What percentage continue to live like this as adults?
- 5 to 10% (A guess)
3.) Would these people face discrimination from society if they decided that their previous ways of dressing and acting had been "a phase?"
- No. (An opinion)
4.) How do Thai parents typically react to their children cross-dressing or identifying as LGBTQ?
- They are okay with it. (Limited knowledge, but based on a few personal experiences)

Thank you for your rational, calm answer.

[Yagoda]

For the 16 Emojinauts with the thumbs down below, how many of you would let your 8 year old boy be babysat by a homosexual man.

 

[NoshowJones]

On 5/27/2025 at 8:38 AM, KhunLA said:

Rare time that I'll disagree with you, but I don't think homosexual behavior is mental illness.  Just a preferred choice.

 

Even cross dressing may or may not be an illness, but definitely falls in to 'eccentric behavior'.  Now thinking you are the opposite of you birth sex, yea, that needs a bit of therapy.

 

I know a few gay men, that simply get no satisfaction with women, as strange as it sounds.  Along with a few bi folks, that enjoy both.

 

These are close life long friends, not social acquaintances, and well before the 'rainbow' movement.    

 

Yea, I'm the guy that will ask you personal questions if on my mind.  Close friends will answer, usually, or not, maybe I was so close.  Just acquaintances, and it might come off as awkward, but I'd probably ask anyway.  If offends, just don't answer, tell me to F'off.   Yea, I'm that guy.

Maybe homosexual behaviour is not exactly a mental issue, but it certainly is not normal. As long as there is no effeminate behaviour in public, I will tolerate them.

[NoshowJones]

On 5/27/2025 at 8:38 AM, Yagoda said:

To the Socialists and their useful idiots, any mental illness that causes difficulties for the USA is an alternative lifestyle.

 

They are trying to normalize paedophilia now.

God help us if they are.

[ThreeCardMonte]

7 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

God help us if they are.

“THEY” are.

[KhunLA]

16 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

Maybe homosexual behaviour is not exactly a mental issue, but it certainly is not normal. As long as there is no effeminate behaviour in public, I will tolerate them.

Disagree, homosexuality is normal.  As is hetero & bisexuality. Effeminate behavior, IF not exaggerated, is also normal.  People simply can't and or shouldn't need to control what comes natural to them.

 

My normal speaking voice, is fine.  Add the slightest bit of emotion or excitement to it, and it goes up, way too many octaves, and sounds gay as all hell.  Hate hearing my recorded voice most times. 

 

Which means I can sing tenor at any time I wish 

 

If you've never met me, and only talked with me on the phone, not knowing about my wife, you'd think I was gay ... as I found out.

 

First low tech airline job, required a lot of phone conversions  between personal at airports.  One gal I talked to all the time, I finally met, when wife and myself flew via her airport, and she was working the gate.

 

She's like ... "you look nothing like what I thought"

Say what ?

... "I thought you were gay, since only talking on the phone"

Of course the wife chimes in, 'yea, you sound gay on the phone'

Gee thanks honey 

 

What isn't normal, IMHO, is your prejudice to what you don't understand, but tolerated ... sometimes.   Though you may want to keep those opinions to yourself 😎

 

 

[NoshowJones]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Disagree, homosexuality is normal.  As is hetero & bisexuality. Effeminate behavior, IF not exaggerated, is also normal.  People simply can't and or shouldn't need to control what comes natural to them.

 

My normal speaking voice, is fine.  Add the slightest bit of emotion or excitement to it, and it goes up, way too many octaves, and sounds gay as all hell.  Hate hearing my recorded voice most times. 

 

Which means I can sing tenor at any time I wish 

 

If you've never met me, and only talked with me on the phone, not knowing about my wife, you'd think I was gay ... as I found out.

 

First low tech airline job, required a lot of phone conversions  between personal at airports.  One gal I talked to all the time, I finally met, when wife and myself flew via her airport, and she was working the gate.

 

She's like ... "you look nothing like what I thought"

Say what ?

... "I thought you were gay, since only talking on the phone"

Of course the wife chimes in, 'yea, you sound gay on the phone'

Gee thanks honey 

 

What isn't normal, IMHO, is your prejudice to what you don't understand, but tolerated ... sometimes.   Though you may want to keep those opinions to yourself 😎

 

 

Homosexuality is not normal. If it was then the whole world would be a wasteland.

 

[KhunLA]

15 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

Homosexuality is not normal. If it was then the whole world would be a wasteland.

You've obviously never been to a gay club, as you'd be surprised how normal looking most folks are.

 

TBH, not sure about now, but 40 or 50 yrs ago, that would apply.  If that same clientele popped into your local watering hole, you'd never know they were gay.

[NoshowJones]

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

You've obviously never been to a gay club, as you'd be surprised how normal looking most folks are.

 

TBH, not sure about now, but 40 or 50 yrs ago, that would apply.  If that same clientele popped into your local watering hole, you'd never know they were gay.

If you were talking to me and you used the word "Gay" I would remind you that the word is Homosexual.

 

[KhunLA]

8 minutes ago, NoshowJones said:

If you were talking to me and you used the word "Gay" I would remind you that the word is Homosexual.

 

Means the same thing, just less letters to type 

 

They are usually called 'Gay clubs' not homosexual clubs, and you'll find both male & female couples there.  The real world is very different from Hollywood or MSM.

[NoshowJones]

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Means the same thing, just less letters to type 

 

They are usually called 'Gay clubs' not homosexual clubs, and you'll find both male & female couples there.  The real world is very different from Hollywood or MSM.

OK! Homo. Just one more letter.

 

[fredwiggy]

16 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You've obviously never been to a gay club, as you'd be surprised how normal looking most folks are.

 

TBH, not sure about now, but 40 or 50 yrs ago, that would apply.  If that same clientele popped into your local watering hole, you'd never know they were gay.

 

16 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

You've obviously never been to a gay club, as you'd be surprised how normal looking most folks are.

 

TBH, not sure about now, but 40 or 50 yrs ago, that would apply.  If that same clientele popped into your local watering hole, you'd never know they were gay.

Some you can tell by the way they act, but there are effeminate men that aren't gay, as well as rough looking men that are. Some gay women are butch and some are very feminine. 

[BritManToo]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

 

Some you can tell by the way they act, but there are effeminate men that aren't gay, as well as rough looking men that are. Some gay women are butch and some are very feminine. 

In Thailand the very feminine women are often rentals going with whichever sex pays their fee.

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

In Thailand the very feminine women are often rentals going with whichever sex pays their fee.

That's but a tiny percentage of the female population here, that is P2P. 

[ThreeCardMonte]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

In Thailand the very feminine women are often rentals going with whichever sex pays their fee.

OMG, we learn something new everyday on this forum.

[BritManToo]

13 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That's but a tiny percentage of the female population here, that is P2P. 

My opinion is they all expect payment, and if they don't get payment you'll soon not be getting sex either. They're also the same with their Thai husbands/bfs, I know because I have to endure mixing with them, particularly the normal housewife's and single moms 40+ as they hang out with my wife and have the most extraordinary explicit conversations, thinking I can't understand. Surprisingly, the PTA ladies being the worst offenders!

[unblocktheplanet]

On 5/27/2025 at 8:38 AM, KhunLA said:

Rare time that I'll disagree with you, but I don't think homosexual behavior is mental illness.  Just a preferred choice.

Preference is just as false a definition as mental illness. Perhaps chromosomal anomaly?

[ElwoodP]

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[youreavinalaff]

On 5/31/2025 at 3:55 AM, Yagoda said:

For the 16 Emojinauts with the thumbs down below, how many of you would let your 8 year old boy be babysat by a homosexual man.

 

How would you know the babysitter was homosexual? 

 

Would you let your daughter be babysat by a lesbian?

[Yagoda]

9 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Would you let your daughter be babysat by a lesbian?

Nope. Would you?

[youreavinalaff]

8 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Nope. Would you?

How would I know she was a lesbian?

 

Would you let your daughter be babysat by a heterosexual man?

 

Would you let your son be baby sat by a heterosexual woman?

 

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

How would I know she was a lesbian?

The obvious answer ...........

Don't trust your children with strangers.

Obviously it's easier in Asia where mom stays at home with the kids, and you go out with your pals and other women.

[fredwiggy]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

My opinion is they all expect payment, and if they don't get payment you'll soon not be getting sex either. They're also the same with their Thai husbands/bfs, I know because I have to endure mixing with them, particularly the normal housewife's and single moms 40+ as they hang out with my wife and have the most extraordinary explicit conversations, thinking I can't understand. Surprisingly, the PTA ladies being the worst offenders!

What many men don't understand is what women need to freely give themselves up to their man . It isn't money, gold or any other things that gets them in the mood, although they help along the way. Normal women aren't greedy for cash. They like to be taken care of and like nice things but no amount of things is going to have them give in for the duration.

 

This is why men complain that their wives won't give them sex.

 

Yes, Thailand is a little different than the west because poor means I need more money to make me happy, or so they think. More independence and equality means they have their own money, so you need to do the things that work everywhere, as woman are still the same no matter where they live, in a few things. They want a man to listen. Not fake listening but actively listening, meaning you can not only answer their questions when they ask them, but not talk when you're not supposed to.

 

Men think they're doing the right things by buying the women things then ignoring them when they need to talk. Talking to a woman is like fishing, sports, golf or food to a man. Women talk much more then man on a daily basis. If they can't vent, they get pissed, and if you won't listen to them when they need it, you wont get sex, or reluctantly, and that isn't good sex when it's not mutual, unless of course the man doesn't look at his partner as an equal but just a body.

 

Communication to a woman is more important than things, unless again, they are just greedy. No normal women will leave or be reluctant to give you sex if you talk to her, daily, and be interested in their life. Of course depression, narcissism, an abusive childhood or an overly greedy character will never work in a relationship, as they always have anger that only gets vented on the closest person to them, which is you. Depression can be worked with if you have a ton of patience, and a willing partner to get help, otherwise 9 out of 10 will go sour.I've dealt with women who've had all of the above, but having sex was never a problem.

 

It sounds easy but getting a man to learn how to listen is not, but if he wants that sex to keep going, romance should never end, and romance begins by listening. Those that disagree are probably the ones who have a hard time getting it from their wives after the first year or two.