Putin didn’t budge in Ukraine peace talks. Now Donald Trump may be forced to act

[bubblegum]

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Don't worry, she came back. She was here a few days ago.

Nice to see you've got some money.

[Zaphod Priest]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Trump will do nothing to upset his poodle Putin.

 

Wrong way around.  Trump is Putin's poodle.  Precisely what it is that Putin has over Trump isn't clear.  Maybe the pee pee tape.  Maybe something else.  But Trump is completely beholden to Putin.

[johng]

13 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

You have a crystal ball that tells you how many cards Ukraine has? Or are you a fly on the wall at their meetings?

My crystal balls are seeing some Taurus missile strikes which Putin will probably not ignore but at the same time continue consolidating his territorial gains.

Do your crystal balls predict NATO troops on the ground repelling the "Orks" from all of mother Ukraine ?

[frank83628]

22 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Trump will do nothing, he's a big bag of wind. Putin plays him like a fiddle.

 

He tried to browbeat Zelensky into giving in, that didn't work either.

Zelenskey is surviving purely on NATO aid, getting his country further and further into debt, and when its all over he will disappear and the country will be left to suffer for decades. 

He is illegitimate now for over 1 year. They should hold elections and let the people choose, imagine the bleating you'd all be doing if Trump was the Zman. 

Those double standards in full effect again

[jvs]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Because a ceasefire just meant rearming of Ukraine.

If you think for 1 second that any of the countries propping up Ukraine are doing it for the Ukrainian people then someone should Photoshop a red nose on your profile picture. 

Do you think russia would not try to re arm?

 

[jvs]

7 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Zelenskey is surviving purely on NATO aid, getting his country further and further into debt, and when its all over he will disappear and the country will be left to suffer for decades. 

He is illegitimate now for over 1 year. They should hold elections and let the people choose, imagine the bleating you'd all be doing if Trump was the Zman. 

Those double standards in full effect again

Maybe have a look at the laws in the Ukraine?

Elections are not held during time of war.

 

[Jingthing]

27 minutes ago, Zaphod Priest said:

 

Wrong way around.  Trump is Putin's poodle.  Precisely what it is that Putin has over Trump isn't clear.  Maybe the pee pee tape.  Maybe something else.  But Trump is completely beholden to Putin.

Yeah, that was a mix-up. But given the reality, I'm sure people know what I meant.  

[metisdead]

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[RayC]

3 minutes ago, jvs said:

Maybe have a look at the laws in the Ukraine?

Elections are not held during time of war.

 

 

It's not just the laws that prevent elections being held in Ukraine, it's the small matter of a large part of its' infrastructure has been destroyed and  a huge number of the electorate displaced.

 

Holding elections in Ukraine now is one of the most bone-headed suggestions I have heard in a long while.

[1FinickyOne]

Now Donald Trump may be forced to act

 

Are you suggesting a new reality show? I'm not sure he realizes the last one is finished... 

[frank83628]

24 minutes ago, jvs said:

Maybe have a look at the laws in the Ukraine?

Elections are not held during time of war.

 

Hence dragging it out to as is happening now.

perhaps Putin should just take out the Actor US style and bring an end to it all, they seem to get away with it.

[JAG]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes it is.

 

Ukraine is in the Russian sphere of influence. As a lesser, weaker state, it has to accomodate the sensitivies of a large power like Russia. 

 

Just as Panama faced invasion when it displeased America and sold secrets to Cuba, so Ukraine cannot do whatever it pleases when its neighbour is a large power.

 

Looks like you need some lessons in reality.

 

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Yawn!, whatever, not going to waste time going over AGAIN about no NATO expansion East, that was agreed in the early 90's its been mentioned many times and flat out denied by the usual posse here.

They've had their programming and that's it. Some even deny words on record, spoken by the NATO chief.

Remember how hysterical the Yanks got over Russia and Cuba... but you all seem to think its fine for US weapons on Putins border. Hypocrisy and double standards at its finest from the western propaganda macnine and its useful idiots.

 

I would suggest that you both need to take into account reality. As I said, NATO is an association of Sovereign States. Ukraine is a Sovereign State. Russia has no rights to dictate policy to either.

 

The invasion of Panama is entirely irrelevant - other perhaps than as an example of a strong nation abusing it's strength to bully a weaker nation. Incidentally it was an act widely condemned as being in breach of International Law, both Internationally and within the US.

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, JAG said:

 

I would suggest that you both need to take into account reality. As I said, NATO is an association of Sovereign States. Ukraine is a Sovereign State. Russia has no rights to dictate policy to either.

 

The invasion of Panama is entirely irrelevant - other perhaps than as an example of a strong nation abusing it's strength to bully a weaker nation.

Like the bully USA have been doing for last 50yrs.

[Mike_Hunt]

1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes it is.

 

Ukraine is in the Russian sphere of influence. As a lesser, weaker state, it has to accomodate the sensitivies of a large power like Russia. 

 

Just as Panama faced invasion when it displeased America and sold secrets to Cuba, so Ukraine cannot do whatever it pleases when its neighbour is a large power.

 

Looks like you need some lessons in reality.

 

Russia is not a large power.  Russia is a gas station posing as a country. 

[Mike_Hunt]

47 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Zelenskey is surviving purely on NATO aid, getting his country further and further into debt, and when its all over he will disappear and the country will be left to suffer for decades. 

He is illegitimate now for over 1 year. They should hold elections and let the people choose, imagine the bleating you'd all be doing if Trump was the Zman. 

Those double standards in full effect again

 

The Ukraine Constitution does now allow elections during wars. 

[Mike_Hunt]

10 minutes ago, JAG said:

 

I would suggest that you both need to take into account reality. As I said, NATO is an association of Sovereign States. Ukraine is a Sovereign State. Russia has no rights to dictate policy to either.

 

The invasion of Panama is entirely irrelevant - other perhaps than as an example of a strong nation abusing it's strength to bully a weaker nation.

 

How is Panama irrelevant? 

[Mike_Hunt]

16 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Hence dragging it out to as is happening now.

perhaps Putin should just take out the Actor US style and bring an end to it all, they seem to get away with it.

Putin has been trying for three years. 

[SunnyinBangrak]

50 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

They should hold elections and let the people choose, imagine the bleating you'd all be doing if Trump was the Zman. 

Those double standards in full effect again

Reminds much of their knowingly false narrative about Trump not holding elections and becoming a dictator, which was total bs, yet here they all are, cheering on a literal dictator that cancelled elections. Must be a wild ride being an msm consuming automaton🤣

[Mike_Hunt]

2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Reminds much of their knowingly false narrative about Trump not holding elections and becoming a dictator, which was total bs, yet here they all are, cheering on a literal dictator that cancelled elections. Must be a wild ride being an msm consuming automaton🤣

I will have fun shoving this in the face of the lefties after the midterm elections.  

[JAG]

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

How is Panama irrelevant? 

One might equally ask, why is it relevant?

 

I didn't bring it up, so I suppose you would have to ask @Cameroni, who introduced it into the debate.

[SunnyinBangrak]

Just now, Mike_Hunt said:

I will have fun shoving this in the face of the lefties after the midterm elections.  

They will shamelessly deny ever having said Trump will never allow elections. Just like they deny ever having claimed the lappy is Russian disinformation, or like they now claim nobody ever supported lockdowns and vax mandates etc etc. Just bald liars. Lucky us based posters have good memories.

[Cameroni]

30 minutes ago, JAG said:

I would suggest that you both need to take into account reality. As I said, NATO is an association of Sovereign States. Ukraine is a Sovereign State. Russia has no rights to dictate policy to either.

 

The invasion of Panama is entirely irrelevant - other perhaps than as an example of a strong nation abusing it's strength to bully a weaker nation. Incidentally it was an act widely condemned as being in breach of International Law, both Internationally and within the US.

 

No.

 

You need to examine reality. The reality is that Russia is a very large and powerful country, and Ukraine is an orbit state that kept poking Russia in the eye with a pointy stick. Much like Panam did with the US. Guess what? In both cases the net result was the same, invasion. Panama too was a sovereign state. So what?

 

Weaker nations have to accomodate to the sensitivities of stronger nations. That's just the way reality works.

[Mike_Hunt]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No.

 

You need to examine reality. The reality is that Russia is a very large and powerful country, and Ukraine is an orbit state that kept poking Russia in the eye with a pointy stick. Much like Panam did with the US. Guess what? In both cases the net result was the same, invasion. Panama too was a sovereign state. So what?

 

Weaker nations have to accomodate to the sensitivities of stronger nations. That's just the way reality works.

 

Russia is not all that powerful.   They are still trying to conquer Ukraine after three years.   Russia is a paper tiger. 

[Cameroni]

2 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Russia is not all that powerful.   They are still trying to conquer Ukraine after three years.   Russia is a paper tiger. 

 

They can destroy the whole planet in 5 minutes. So more powerful than you and your daddy.

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, Zaphod Priest said:

 

Wrong way around.  Trump is Putin's poodle.  Precisely what it is that Putin has over Trump isn't clear.  Maybe the pee pee tape.  Maybe something else.  But Trump is completely beholden to Putin.

You still clinging to that old nonsense,

 

he has something on Trump,  but nobody knows what and he's never used it. 🤡

[Mike_Hunt]

Just now, Cameroni said:

 

They can destroy the whole planet in 5 minutes. So more powerful than you and your daddy.

 

Russia is a dying nation.    Look at their pathetic GDP and declining population. 

[Cameroni]

4 minutes ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Russia is a dying nation.    Look at their pathetic GDP and declining population. 

 

Well, they had a tough time ever since they saved democracy single-handedly and had 20 million people die. 

 

Never really recovered from that.

 

Communist insanity didn't help either.

[Mike_Hunt]

5 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Well, they had a tough time ever since they saved democracy single-handedly and had 20 million people die. 

 

Never really recovered from that.

 

Communist insanity didn't help either.

 

The Russias leaders never cared about the people. 

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Reminds much of their knowingly false narrative about Trump not holding elections and becoming a dictator, which was total bs, yet here they all are, cheering on a literal dictator that cancelled elections. Must be a wild ride being an msm consuming automaton🤣

Move the goalposts to suit that days agenda.

morally bankrupt, 2 face, hypocrites

[frank83628]

1 hour ago, Mike_Hunt said:

 

Russia is a dying nation.    Look at their pathetic GDP and declining population. 

Ok, so, all the BS talk of invading Europe should be laughed at then.