Fun Quiz > Covid-19 mRNA Vax harm denial - At which stage are you?

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, VocalNeal said:

 

Well fair enough but how many on here have studied, either academically or empirically Covid or mRNA vaccines.

 

Surely the whole thing is American. Land of the insecure.

Again why is this necessary. People who have studied these things or have the knowledge to assess studies are accessible now. This wasn't the case 4 or 5 years ago when censorship was put in place to protect the narrative. What's needed is a mind capable of rational, critical and individual thought. These qualities appear to be missing in those who 100% believe "THE MESSAGE"

[fredwiggy]

4 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Freedy, I get it now. 

You are one of the unlucky ones, you chose the wrong parents, receiving poor DNA.

You are in pain daily, this is why you are constantly nagging me, disagreeing with my every comment. 

 

Take care mate. 

 

Oh yeah, thanks for the thumbs down, I enjoy receiving them 👍

 

 

4 hours ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Freedy, I get it now. 

You are one of the unlucky ones, you chose the wrong parents, receiving poor DNA.

You are in pain daily, this is why you are constantly nagging me, disagreeing with my every comment. 

 

Take care mate. 

 

Oh yeah, thanks for the thumbs down, I enjoy receiving them 👍

 

I would be willing to bet I could, still, beat you in any sporting event, and when I was 62 and under, definitely would have you beat in everything except maybe long distance running, which I didn't do. You can't choose your DNA or parents. All you can do is the best with what you're given.

 

You say you have superior DNA, but that's just you talking drivel, with no proof. Your parents could be a cross between Pee Wee Herman and Kim Jong Un if all I know.

 

I'm not in pain. I just disagree with whatever nonsense comes my way here. Your prejudice against foreigners is definitely a learned response, and that means your parents with their inferior thinking passed that down to you. It's not a normal thing by any means but with my background in psychology study, there's little hope for you at this point.

[fredwiggy]

3 hours ago, KhunLA said:

CDC / VAES provides reported adverse effects by medical professionals mostly.  Those by public are verified as much as possible.

 

27 different level of strokes & severity of listed, <733 each, as I was going to list, but simply too many to be bothered, with SCHAEMIC STROKE being the most common reported.

 

20 different levels and severity of paralysis, again, can't be bother to list.

 

Seek and ye shall find ... oh yea, death seems to be pretty popular side effect 

 

Copy & paste from CED / VAERS site.  Just need to know how to search ... 

 

 

Many people died from having previous illnesses and they were quick to blame the vaccine. Again, I never said there weren't adverse effects in some from the vaccine, as it happens with most vaccines. 

[SAFETY FIRST]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

with my background in psychology study, there's little hope for you at this point.

Freddy..... You've been drinking again 🍺

 

Enjoy your psycho background mate, don't get too drunk 🥳

 

 

[fredwiggy]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Hahaha, asking for proof and then when @dinsdale provides some easily verifiable facts, you dismiss them because 'they were not in the news'.  Sure, they are not in the compromised Big Pharma sponsored mainstream news that you seem to be following.  

This sub-forum provides you with access to alternative non Big Pharma funded news outlets and studies.  

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink.  

 

A few anti vaccers will go by anything they can find to prove the vaccines are a problem, yet they'll still dismiss the millions that might and have been saved from vaccines. 

[fredwiggy]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

There are +100 threads in this very sub-forum addressing the harms of the Covid-jabs.  

Rather than listing all the ones that directly answer your question, I suggest you do your own research which is quite easy by simply looking into the listing of the threads on this sub-forum and accessing the information provided. 

> https://aseannow.com/forum/466-covidvaccine/

 

And there are countless links that have shown that the vaccines have saved lives. Again, foe third time, all vaccines have side effects, including death, but evidence has shown they have saved millions, maybe including you if your parents got you the mandatory ones in your childhood.

[dinsdale]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

A few anti vaccers will go by anything they can find to prove the vaccines are a problem, yet they'll still dismiss the millions that might and have been saved from vaccines. 

Not really sure how many times it needs to be said for an idiot to finally see they're wrong but I'll post this once again.  A person who doesn't want Covid mRNA jabs and people who are anti-vaxxers are NOT mutually inclusive.

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Freddy..... You've been drinking again 🍺

 

Enjoy your psycho background mate, don't get too drunk 🥳

 

 

Every reply has me, and I'm sure most others here , thinking that you are possibly a teenager, as they are the ones most likely to assume they know anything about others, especially from an online forum. My answers are always from facts, or at least some positive evidence, unlike some others who use either their or other's opinions. That you and a select few here can't understand that is from a lack of knowledge or just the propensity to troll for the sake of trolling. 

[John Drake]

I got the Chinese vaccine. Nothing else. I'm fine. But wouldn't touch the mRNA if you paid me, which I believe they were doing at one stage in the US.

[fredwiggy]

23 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Not really sure how many times it needs to be said for an idiot to finally see they're wrong but I'll post this once again.  A person who doesn't want Covid mRNA jabs and people who are anti-vaxxers are NOT mutually inclusive.

 

23 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Not really sure how many times it needs to be said for an idiot to finally see they're wrong but I'll post this once again.  A person who doesn't want Covid mRNA jabs and people who are anti-vaxxers are NOT mutually inclusive.

Not really sure if this has to be stated, but calling someone an idiot that's obviously a lot more intelligent than you doesn't fare well for you. That you assume I don't know the difference between those two also makes you suspect.

 

If you would read, and not skim, what I've written, and possibly comprehend it, you would see that all I said is that all vaccines have side effects, including the Covid ones. That people don't want Covid shots is obvious. That they have taken other vaccines readily before is also obvious. That there is a correlation between some side effects from Covid vaccines is evident. I didn't say otherwise, but when someone comes into a conversation at the halfway point, and doesn't read, or possibly understand what another has said, they automatically go to their side of thinking, which could be biased or plain wrong.

 

My statement above is correct. Your follow up statement has nothing to do with what I said. I replied to the OP, asking for proof. He is anti vax, obviously. Many of here aren't, and he is here almost everyday dismissing a vaccine that has likely saved millions of people. That it hurt some is obvious. That the benefits far outweigh the risks in any vaccine, including this one, is obvious.  

[dinsdale]

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

 

Not really sure if this has to be stated, but calling someone an idiot that's obviously a lot more intelligent than you doesn't fare well for you. That you assume I don't know the difference between those two also makes you suspect.

 

If you would read, and not skim, what I've written, and possibly comprehend it, you would see that all I said is that all vaccines have side effects, including the Covid ones. That people don't want Covid shots is obvious. That they have taken other vaccines readily before is also obvious. That there is a correlation between some side effects from Covid vaccines is evident. I didn't say otherwise, but when someone comes into a conversation at the halfway point, and doesn't read, or possibly understand what another has said, they automatically go to their side of thinking, which could be biased or plain wrong.

 

My statement above is correct. Your follow up statement has nothing to do with what I said. I replied to the OP, asking for proof. He is anti vax, obviously. Many of here aren't, and he is here almost everyday dismissing a vaccine that has likely saved millions of people. That it hurt some is obvious. That the benefits far outweigh the risks in any vaccine, including this one, is obvious.  ...............https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0264410X24001919...

I'm NOT an anti-vaxxer. I am anti Covid mRNA jabs. I think you'll find that actual anti all vaccine anti-vaxxers are thin on the ground here. Evidence of harm caused by the mRNA jabs is extensive especially when it comes to the early batches. 

[KhunLA]

32 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Many people died from having previous illnesses and they were quick to blame the vaccine. Again, I never said there weren't adverse effects in some from the vaccine, as it happens with most vaccines. 

Just replied to the part of your post I quoted, with a few of the 'proven harms' of the vaccine, you queried about, as reported by medical professionals.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, dinsdale said:

I'm NOT an anti-vaxxer. I am anti Covid mRNA jabs. I think you'll find that actual anti all vaccine anti-vaxxers are thin on the ground here. Evidence of harm caused by the mRNA jabs is extensive especially when it comes to the early batches. 

As is evidence of lives saved, so again, all vaccines have side effects and can cause deaths, but again, they have saved millions, and with the Covid ones, likely millions also. What else can you do when something is needed fast to curtail this outbreak? If they had more time, more reaearch and studies could have been done. Hard to stop panic.

[fredwiggy]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Just replied to the part of your post I quoted, with a few of the 'proven harms' of the vaccine, you queried about, as reported by medical professionals.

Round and round we go. They save lives , and they hurt some. Benefits outweigh the risks, and what can you do if you've already taken one to 4 or more jabs now? Worry or just go on with your life. I'm not getting any more, as it's possible I might have never needed any in the first place, or maybe I did. 

[transam]

2 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Did you forget to type, probably all those bouts of covid you had is now taking its toll, eh..........🤭

[Airalee]

52 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Many people died from having previous illnesses and they were quick to blame the vaccine. Again, I never said there weren't adverse effects in some from the vaccine, as it happens with most vaccines. 

Sure you did.  You have denigrated people who have made the claim, obfuscated, moved the goalposts.

 

You used to be an honest person.  Now, not so much.

[richard_smith237]

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

What are the proven harms? I still am waiting for that answer out of all these posts.

There are +100 threads in this very sub-forum addressing the harms of the Covid-jabs.  

Rather than listing all the ones that directly answer your question, I suggest you do your own research which is quite easy by simply looking into the listing of the threads on this sub-forum and accessing the information provided. 

> https://aseannow.com/forum/466-covidvaccine/

 

 

Referring to your own threads as a basis for others to conduct research reveals the depth of delusion you're operating under.

 

Your anti-vaccination content in particular is a case in point: the sheer volume of misinformation circulating in your echo chamber only serves to reinforce the pro-vaccination stance. As the saying goes, “The lady doth protest too much, methinks” - and in your case, it’s painfully obvious.

 

You consistently exaggerate, distort, and disseminate falsehoods crafted to suit your singular narrative. There’s nothing open-minded or balanced about it – your approach is as far removed from genuine scientific reasoning as one could get.

 

This tendency to leap to ill-founded conclusions is evident across your posts. Take your recent assumption that additional security checks on flights to Australia are a ploy to make passengers buy more drinks onboard. That’s a perfect example of your broader problem: you don’t examine evidence objectively – you bend it to fit your preconceived conclusions.

 

 

 

[rumak]

4 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make it drink. 

 

be careful .   you might fall into the class of people who resemble the famous quote about insanity (often attributed to Einstein) .

 

something about posting the same thing over and over but expecting a different result,

i think it was .  😅

[KhunLA]

3 hours ago, Airalee said:

 

 

And remember, it's 'safe & effective' and stops you "from getting & spreading covid" 

 

 

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

And remember, it's 'safe & effective' and stops you "from getting & spreading covid" 

 

 

 

Nothing stops you from getting Covid.............

[fredwiggy]

11 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Sure you did.  You have denigrated people who have made the claim, obfuscated, moved the goalposts.

 

You used to be an honest person.  Now, not so much.

Where did I denigrate anyone? I asked for proof. Some gave some. Some are from opinions and some data. I said all vaccines can cause some side effects, which is actually agreeing with them, but again, they saved more lives, as all vaccines do. Some are totally anti vaxx, and that's their deal, as they aren't going to change what's already been done, people already receiving the vaccines. Some, in fact many, might have been saved by getting them without knowing it, along with all the other vaccines many have received since childhood.

 

When people call you names, it's your duty to prove them wrong, as many are plainly narcissistic, thinking they're always right, no matter how many times they're proven wrong. My disagreeing with anyone here means we're in a discussion, where people can take sides for many reasons. Some are conspiracy theorists, some are trolls and some know more than others. This is an online forum, where differences butt heads. Disagreeing isn't denigrating. Looking for solid evidence is what many do. Opinions aren't evidence, so I, and many others here, would like that hard evidence, disagreeing until it's there. Fact is, Covid shots have saved many lives, and some have been hurt, as happens with all vaccines. PS: I am an honest person. Some don't understand the truth are will defend their position until death. Some will think they are right even if proven wrong, and some disagree just because you've proven them wrong before, as we see with all the thumbs down emojis when someone is saying something helpful or correct to another. They just have to put their two cents in.

[richard_smith237]

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

4 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

I note that none of the choices in the OP are related to personal experience. Seems as if a person can have an opinion without personal experience. 

You can have knowledge about certain conditions, without having actually personally experienced it. 

E.g. a male gynecologist will never have personal experience of the conditions of his female clientele.  But - hopefully - he has broad knowledge and experience in treating those conditions.  

 

A gynaecologist undergoes 4–6 years of medical school, followed by 1–2 years of foundation or internship training, and then completes 5–7 years of specialised training in obstetrics and gynaecology.

That’s a total of 10 to 15 years of dedicated, structured medical education and clinical practice.

 

This isn't just incomparable – it's a cosmic joke to even pretend it is. You're pitting a decade of rigorous medical training against your DIY doctorate in Facebook drivel and a “curriculum” stitched together from YouTube rants, Telegram cults, and the fevered ramblings of fringe blogs that wouldn't pass a Year 9 science class. You don't research – you rabbit-hole. You’re not “awake” – you're adrift in a swamp of wilful ignorance, mistaking suspicion for intelligence and confirmation bias for truth. You’re not challenging the system – you're embarrassing yourself in front of it.

 

[transam]

2 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Where did I denigrate anyone? I asked for proof. Some gave some. Some are from opinions and some data. I said all vaccines can cause some side effects, which is actually agreeing with them, but again, they saved more lives, as all vaccines do. Some are totally anti vaxx, and that's their deal, as they aren't going to change what's already been done, people already receiving the vaccines. Some, in fact many, might have been saved by getting them without knowing it, along with all the other vaccines many have received since childhood.

 

When people call you names, it's your duty to prove them wrong, as many are plainly narcissistic, thinking they're always right, no matter how many times they're proven wrong. My disagreeing with anyone here means we're in a discussion, where people can take sides for many reasons. Some are conspiracy theorists, some are trolls and some know more than others. This is an online forum, where differences butt heads. Disagreeing isn't denigrating. Looking for solid evidence is what many do. Opinions aren't evidence, so I, and many others here, would like that hard evidence, disagreeing until it's there. Fact is, Covid shots have saved many lives, and some have been hurt, as happens with all vaccines. 

Spot on chap...............

[transam]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

A gynaecologist undergoes 4–6 years of medical school, followed by 1–2 years of foundation or internship training, and then completes 5–7 years of specialised training in obstetrics and gynaecology.

That’s a total of 10 to 15 years of dedicated, structured medical education and clinical practice.

 

This isn't just incomparable – it's a cosmic joke to even pretend it is. You're pitting a decade of rigorous medical training against your DIY doctorate in Facebook drivel and a “curriculum” stitched together from YouTube rants, Telegram cults, and the fevered ramblings of fringe blogs that wouldn't pass a Year 9 science class. You don't research – you rabbit-hole. You’re not “awake” – you're adrift in a swamp of wilful ignorance, mistaking suspicion for intelligence and confirmation bias for truth. You’re not challenging the system – you're embarrassing yourself in front of it.

 

Spot on chap..........

[rumak]

  I kinda like George's take on things :     https://youtu.be/LVLkHaCbK_8

 

we're getting together later for some drinks and laughs .  

 

 

[KhunLA]

27 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Round and round we go. They save lives , and they hurt some. Benefits outweigh the risks, and what can you do if you've already taken one to 4 or more jabs now? Worry or just go on with your life. I'm not getting any more, as it's possible I might have never needed any in the first place, or maybe I did. 

That's one opinion ... certainly not mine.

 

There is NO proof the save lives.  As no way to tell if the vaccines helped anyone recover, any better than those unvaccinated.  No real way to tell .... IMHO

[frank83628]

5 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

What are the proven harms? I still am waiting for that answer out of all these posts.

The sudden rise in heart attacks and turrbo cancers perhaps.

[transam]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

The sudden rise in heart attacks and turrbo cancers perhaps.

😂............Now come on, where did you get that from, not Ukrainian prisoners in your Russia.............😂

[fredwiggy]

Just now, KhunLA said:

That's one opinion ... certainly not mine.

 

There is NO proof the save lives.  As no way to tell if the vaccines helped anyone recover, any better than those unvaccinated.  No real way to tell .... IMHO

If those vaccines didn't come out, many thousands if not more would have died, especially the ones with previous illnesses. There is hard evidence other vaccines have also saved lives, although your conspiracy experts will also disagree, even if they are living proof vaccines they have gotten could be why they are alive now.

[fredwiggy]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

The sudden rise in heart attacks and turrbo cancers perhaps.

When it's proven that the vaccines had something to do with them, it's evidence. Many make opinions and they don't count.