Clash of the Titans: Trump and Musk's Public Fallout Sends Shockwaves Through Washington

[LosLobo]

41 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

That must be why Trump is a billionare then.

Thanks, Frank! A classic mixed salad of non sequitur, false cause, and appeal to wealth. Seems like logic— or spelling, aren’t exactly your forte today.

[jerrymahoney]

The last successful businessman president was Herbert Hoover.

[Tug]

59 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Agree. I've always thought that was a possibility. Don't need to move the company. Just the people.

Or just the data plenty of smart cheep Chinese to employ.hes allready dismantling space dragon what happens when he takes star link with him putting our military at risk.this could get ugly quick….the real ugly not just these 2 a holes having a spat.

[NickyLouie]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

I predict this

 

[Patong2021]

3 hours ago, JaxxBKK said:

A friend sent me Musk's post on X overnight.

 

I was never much concerned with the procecution of men that were blackmailed having had a bit of sex or hand jobs from a handful of delinquent teens year or two away from legal age of consent in numerous countries including UK. I think Prince Andrew got a really raw deal in particular. This occurs here in Thailand routinely. Moreover, I suspect Maxwell wasn't any more culpable than Epstein.

 

What I want to know is their involvement with Mossad and possibly ShinBet. Can they be established as agents? These are high crimes. Can it be established that Mossad set up this blackmail operation and set it upon US citizens? Can it be established that the blackmail was to be used - was used to influence economic, social and political outcomes? Of course, no one would be the least bit surprised over any of this. But the moral handwringing over teens returning time and again to engage in sex services hardly speaks well for them. I'm not moralizing - just pointing this out. Finally, much of this occurred outside the US and we'll over statue of limitations although the latter may be set aside in some cases.

 

The feud is very unfortunate. Many years ago I saw Musk as a welfare queen. Over time I came to admire his ability to accomplish and produce. I'm very much a Musk fan despite his faults and venture failures. I respect the hell out of the man. He gave six months of his life to the nation with DOGE and was insulted and mocked daily along with weekly lawsuits.

 

DOGE was about saving the nation. Anti Trumpers do not want to save the nation. They want to continue to line their pockets. While understandable - it's also sort of treasonous. Those that inject their petty emotions into this briar patch as routinely done on this forum are politically and emotionally retarded. Yes, Trump is bombastic, aggressive, abrasive, random and at times buffoonish - but it's the medicine the nation needs.

 

Musk clearly understood this. His anger was larger directed at the BBB which the GOPers and Trump were hashing out. There is much Libertarians and Populists to hate about this bill and the pork is in fact ridiculous.

 

I've always said the Dems and GOP both love spending money. The Dems waste it on the poor (for votes) and the GOP waste it on MIC and tax cuts for wealthy (votes).

 

Trump must serve his constituency and deliver somewhat to those that helped him in office as any politician. Yet, this bill smacks of making a grand deal with the devil. The shi+bird GOPers in Congress are just as anti Trump as Jamie Ratfink or Jazzzmine Crotchpit. McConnell and especially Graham are traitors to the US. The entire lot needs to go.

 

The common Musk/Trump denominator I thought existed was cutting waste, fraud and abuse. Trump ran on it and out of the gate it appeared something was finally going to change. If government spending wasn't bad enough the spending under Biden was crushing and unsustainable. That is simply a fact.

 

* As a side note I would urge those critical of that economic judgement to read top financiers and economists on the debt.

 

I have little doubt Trump is in the Epstein files in some way great or small. This is obviously a huge embarrassment and imo will taint the President's years in office. It's sad bc he has suffered so much injustice over the years by the Deep State.

 

Understand that Trump is a symbol of defiance and an agent for change. Trump is totally punk rock. That's why Johnny Rotten even kinda supports the guy. Most Trump detractors don't in the least understand the MAGA movement which  has its origins in the tea party movement. Those living outside the US and any inside either forget or have never heard of the Tea Party (another anti spending movement).

 

DEI was a total clusterfk. It damaged the US irreparably as it was designed to do. If you we're so simple-minded to support BLM, activist gay movements, trannifcation and butcherybof children, the insanity of men in women's underwear and sports you are part of the problem. Absolute laughable perspective that gay white men and overweight and unattractive middle-aged white women that support DEI rubbish are somehow given a pass on being white - exempted is patently absurd. If Trump didn't come into office and cut that down that movement would come for you. It would eat its own as the cliche goes. The notion that white people have something to apologize for is also a sham. The Democratic party lost all of its alpha males never to return and is now left with only the gay, betas and cuckolds.

 

I outright reject any political platform that seeks to disenfranchise me because of my race. Martin Luther King called for a color blind Nation and yet those on the left have sought the exact opposite path.

 

I myself have always been a registered independent and have never voted for a Democrat although I aligned loosely with social values. I have always been a budget and spending hawk for as long as I can remember and in this respect the line with the Republican side.

 

In the end the sad part of all this is not the final destruction of Donald j Trump nor the dissolution or defang-ing of DOGE. The sad part is the United States is absolutely bankrupt. Most if not all of the Nations around the world are interconnected with its financial network. If these issues are not addressed you will not see your pensions and the world may be very much headed towards Depression.

 

What all this is going on you have Israel during the part in Iran as it's done for decades. It medals in the internal affairs of the United States and buys congressman through AIPAC and other nefarious means.  A huge criticism I have over Trump is all of the pro-israel bull<deleted> that has surfaced very early on the administration. Is another constituency hears obviously very beholden to. I have little doubt that many Jewish leaders in the United States were in large part targeted by Epstein.

 

The truth about Trump will come out. I have no stones to cast.

 

I am not MAGA and never was but the idea of supporting the Democratic party and or Kamala Harris simply because she was in Trump is completely ill thought and an absolute disaster for the nation.

 

This is Us politics and I have absolutely zero interest in what anyone outside the nation has to say about the matter. All of the barbs and insults that are thrown around this forum daily are just an insult to my and anyone else that supports fiscal solvencies intelligence. Most if not all of you know absolutely nothing about economics to be frank. All the insults hurled at those that support the Trump agenda have always been extremely shallow and that is especially true from those non US citizens.

 

Edit: please excuse some nonsensical wording. This was written on my phone and some with speech to text

 

I couldn't bear reading all of this rambling nonsense. It's like the transcript of a psychiatric institution inmate interview. As soon as I saw the claim of a  big conspiracy, I knew this was  unhinged.

People were done in by their own greed and lust, nothing more. He was a glorified con artist who used his financial schemes as stepping stones. He played the system, sometimes with shady characters and he gathered  enough information on the shady  people to be able to trade them in every time he was caught doing something questionable. He was no different than a petty criminal who also acts as a confidential informant for the police. His use of pretty girls  is the standard M.O. for schemers. It goes on every day at some casinos where managers send over hookers to make sure high rollers are kept happy. it happens on a smaller scale in the major clubs of Thailand, where pretty men and women are assigned to the VIP rooms etc.  Musk has nothing on Trump.

[Patong2021]

24 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

The last successful businessman president was Herbert Hoover.

 

Surely you jest? Jimmy Carter's peanut business was successful too, although he  was not as wealthy as Hoover.

[jvs]

It will be interesting to see who gets Leavitt ? 

is she considered a trophy?

I can not stand her but maybe trump and Elon are willing to fight over her?

Soo much winning to do!

[jerrymahoney]

I miss the old Twitter 140-character max days. Would still allow some posters favorite expression

"See - I was right. I nailed it. I told you so. Congrats to me." 65 characters.

[jerrymahoney]

8 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Surely you jest? Jimmy Carter's peanut business was successful too, although he  was not as wealthy as Hoover.

Well I liked Jimmy Carter -- saw him in person in NYC running for President. Hoover was estimated to be worth over $100 million in today's dollars. As for Jimmy:

When former president Jimmy Carter left office, his peanut business was $1 million in debt
Published Thu, Jul 18 20199:00 AM EDT

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/17/when-jimmy-carter-left-office-his-peanut-business-was-deep-in-debt.html

[Hawaiian]

4 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

No one hates that man more than I, so I hate to say but I think this will only be a blip on his financial radar. He is too diversified, has too many fingers in too many pies, has too many people who are terrified of crossing him. His financial crash has been predicted too many times to count. He's not known as teflon Don for no reason. 

No one is invincible, not even Trump.  Sooner or later his luck will run out.  He has made a lot of enemies including a few that he is unaware of.

[Patong2021]

19 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Well I liked Jimmy Carter -- saw him in person in NYC running for President. Hoover was estimated to be worth over $100 million in today's dollars. As for Jimmy:

When former president Jimmy Carter left office, his peanut business was $1 million in debt
Published Thu, Jul 18 20199:00 AM EDT

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/17/when-jimmy-carter-left-office-his-peanut-business-was-deep-in-debt.html

 

Carter neglected his business during his time in office. A far cry  from what other presidents have done.

Yes, Hoover was a successful mining engineer speculator. Unfortunately, he was not  much for crisis management.

[candide]

This is going to be funny!

[gargamon]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

So good at business then, is basically what you're saying.

I believe in a recent court case the banks said they were happy with the loans and they were all  paid back and they were ready to do it again.

Trump has been a failure at business his whole life. Trump casinos, Trump airlines, Trump vodka, Trump steaks, Trump university, etc. bankrupt 6 or 7 times. His only success came after he pretended to be a successful businessman on The Apprentice and fooled all the mentally challenged rubes that are now his folowers. Until his recent crypto scams, the only success he had was licensing his name to people that were looking to sell stiuff to tha above mentioned rubes.

 

Tell me why the majority of Trump supporters only have high school or less education.

[Negita43]

Children running the USA now!

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, Tug said:

Or just the data plenty of smart cheep Chinese to employ.hes allready dismantling space dragon what happens when he takes star link with him putting our military at risk.this could get ugly quick….the real ugly not just these 2 a holes having a spat.

 

Trump is such a lunkhead. You would think that even his voters would begin to see it by now. It's funny to go onto Twitter/X and see who is taking sides with whom. Catturd and Laura Loomer are threatening everyone who says anything negative about Trump. Ian Miles Cheong is protecting his blue checkmark by backing Elon. So is Alex Jones. Cernovich is on both sides. And FWIW it seems AOC has gained another 15 pounds.

[jerrymahoney]

39 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Carter neglected his business during his time in office. A far cry  from what other presidents have done.

Yes, Hoover was a successful mining engineer speculator. Unfortunately, he was not  much for crisis management.

Well you can also then include Harry Truman -- Harry on the left in his Truman and Jacobson Haberdashery circa 1920

but as for the current businessman-President, I think more in terms of Hoover as you mention above.

[Mavideol]

ohhh boy, this will get dirtier by the minute, lovers quarrels never end in good terms, no winner but 2 losers and the big one will be the guy bat the WH as the other will not longer inject $$$$$$ 

[Mavideol]

6 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

This was predicted a while back. You can't put two indescribably egotistic nepo babies together, sharing their dirty little secrets with each other, and not expect their bromance to ultimately blow up.

 

 

agree, I was the first one to write about the end of their "affair" back in March  555

[Mavideol]

6 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Clash of the children more like. Inevitable that this kind of thing would happen between two narcissistic kids. Wonder what the maga lot think of it. 

2 big egos can never work together

[Patong2021]

 

21 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

Trump is such a lunkhead. You would think that even his voters would begin to see it by now. It's funny to go onto Twitter/X and see who is taking sides with whom. Catturd and Laura Loomer are threatening everyone who says anything negative about Trump. Ian Miles Cheong is protecting his blue checkmark by backing Elon. So is Alex Jones. Cernovich is on both sides. And FWIW it seems AOC has gained another 15 pounds.

 

Your comments never fail to disappoint.  thank you 🙂

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, Hummin said:

Waiting for him being arrested, dies in an violent accident or suicide 

that's possible, if Krasnov (Trump) follows the master Putin playbook 

[frank83628]

42 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Trump has been a failure at business his whole life. Trump casinos, Trump airlines, Trump vodka, Trump steaks, Trump university, etc. bankrupt 6 or 7 times. His only success came after he pretended to be a successful businessman on The Apprentice and fooled all the mentally challenged rubes that are now his folowers. Until his recent crypto scams, the only success he had was licensing his name to people that were looking to sell stiuff to tha above mentioned rubes.

 

Tell me why the majority of Trump supporters only have high school or less education.

And your business empire consists of .....?

 

Collage education doesn't mean you cant be successful, you shouldn't walk around with your nose in the air thinking you're better than others. 

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, Cameroni said:

 

It is extremely foolish, as you pointed out Trump could nationalise Tesla and Space X. Especially now that Musk grounded Dragon, that alone could be a reason to nationalise Space X.

 

Maybe the Ketamine is taking its toll on Musk.

 

Trump could even rescind his US passport and ban him from entering the US.

 

Trump will not nationalize anything and will thread carefully, didn't you read Musk post whereby he claimed that Trump is listed on the Epstein files, add to that the potential of Putin holding compromising files on Trump as well he should be careful or majority if not all the dirty laundry will be exposed to the public, this will not end well for Trump, he's a revengeful man but I think he found his equal

[Cameroni]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

Trump will not nationalize anything and will thread carefully, didn't you read Musk post whereby he claimed that Trump is listed on the Epstein files, add to that the potential of Putin holding compromising files on Trump as well he should be careful or majority if not all the dirty laundry will be exposed

 

Yes, the tooth fairy says "Hello".

[connda]

[Mavideol]

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, the tooth fairy says "Hello".

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[frank83628]

6 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

Trump will not nationalize anything and will thread carefully, didn't you read Musk post whereby he claimed that Trump is listed on the Epstein files, add to that the potential of Putin holding compromising files on Trump as well he should be careful or majority if not all the dirty laundry will be exposed to the public, this will not end well for Trump, he's a revengeful man but I think he found his equal

If Trump was in the Epstein files for anytjing dodgy don't you think ths democrats or lamestream media would have exposed it.

Or are you too far in the derangement to use logic?

I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out they  its a piss take, and they played everyone

[John Drake]

Trump is sufficiently degenerate with or without the Epstien connection.

[jvs]

14 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

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I think every one knew that already,release the files and trump is toast!

[BLMFem]

6 hours ago, blaze master said:

I thought Elon was a fascist nazi.....oh well there goes that narrative.

How?