Clash of the Titans: Trump and Musk's Public Fallout Sends Shockwaves Through Washington

[BLMFem]

6 hours ago, JaxxBKK said:

A friend sent me Musk's post on X overnight.

 

I was never much concerned with the procecution of men that were blackmailed having had a bit of sex or hand jobs from a handful of delinquent teens year or two away from legal age of consent in numerous countries including UK. I think Prince Andrew got a really raw deal in particular. This occurs here in Thailand routinely. Moreover, I suspect Maxwell wasn't any more culpable than Epstein.

 

What I want to know is their involvement with Mossad and possibly ShinBet. Can they be established as agents? These are high crimes. Can it be established that Mossad set up this blackmail operation and set it upon US citizens? Can it be established that the blackmail was to be used - was used to influence economic, social and political outcomes? Of course, no one would be the least bit surprised over any of this. But the moral handwringing over teens returning time and again to engage in sex services hardly speaks well for them. I'm not moralizing - just pointing this out. Finally, much of this occurred outside the US and we'll over statue of limitations although the latter may be set aside in some cases.

 

The feud is very unfortunate. Many years ago I saw Musk as a welfare queen. Over time I came to admire his ability to accomplish and produce. I'm very much a Musk fan despite his faults and venture failures. I respect the hell out of the man. He gave six months of his life to the nation with DOGE and was insulted and mocked daily along with weekly lawsuits.

 

DOGE was about saving the nation. Anti Trumpers do not want to save the nation. They want to continue to line their pockets. While understandable - it's also sort of treasonous. Those that inject their petty emotions into this briar patch as routinely done on this forum are politically and emotionally retarded. Yes, Trump is bombastic, aggressive, abrasive, random and at times buffoonish - but it's the medicine the nation needs.

 

Musk clearly understood this. His anger was larger directed at the BBB which the GOPers and Trump were hashing out. There is much Libertarians and Populists to hate about this bill and the pork is in fact ridiculous.

 

I've always said the Dems and GOP both love spending money. The Dems waste it on the poor (for votes) and the GOP waste it on MIC and tax cuts for wealthy (votes).

 

Trump must serve his constituency and deliver somewhat to those that helped him in office as any politician. Yet, this bill smacks of making a grand deal with the devil. The shi+bird GOPers in Congress are just as anti Trump as Jamie Ratfink or Jazzzmine Crotchpit. McConnell and especially Graham are traitors to the US. The entire lot needs to go.

 

The common Musk/Trump denominator I thought existed was cutting waste, fraud and abuse. Trump ran on it and out of the gate it appeared something was finally going to change. If government spending wasn't bad enough the spending under Biden was crushing and unsustainable. That is simply a fact.

 

* As a side note I would urge those critical of that economic judgement to read top financiers and economists on the debt.

 

I have little doubt Trump is in the Epstein files in some way great or small. This is obviously a huge embarrassment and imo will taint the President's years in office. It's sad bc he has suffered so much injustice over the years by the Deep State.

 

Understand that Trump is a symbol of defiance and an agent for change. Trump is totally punk rock. That's why Johnny Rotten even kinda supports the guy. Most Trump detractors don't in the least understand the MAGA movement which  has its origins in the tea party movement. Those living outside the US and any inside either forget or have never heard of the Tea Party (another anti spending movement).

 

DEI was a total clusterfk. It damaged the US irreparably as it was designed to do. If you we're so simple-minded to support BLM, activist gay movements, trannifcation and butcherybof children, the insanity of men in women's underwear and sports you are part of the problem. Absolute laughable perspective that gay white men and overweight and unattractive middle-aged white women that support DEI rubbish are somehow given a pass on being white - exempted is patently absurd. If Trump didn't come into office and cut that down that movement would come for you. It would eat its own as the cliche goes. The notion that white people have something to apologize for is also a sham. The Democratic party lost all of its alpha males never to return and is now left with only the gay, betas and cuckolds.

 

I outright reject any political platform that seeks to disenfranchise me because of my race. Martin Luther King called for a color blind Nation and yet those on the left have sought the exact opposite path.

 

I myself have always been a registered independent and have never voted for a Democrat although I aligned loosely with social values. I have always been a budget and spending hawk for as long as I can remember and in this respect the line with the Republican side.

 

In the end the sad part of all this is not the final destruction of Donald j Trump nor the dissolution or defang-ing of DOGE. The sad part is the United States is absolutely bankrupt. Most if not all of the Nations around the world are interconnected with its financial network. If these issues are not addressed you will not see your pensions and the world may be very much headed towards Depression.

 

What all this is going on you have Israel during the part in Iran as it's done for decades. It medals in the internal affairs of the United States and buys congressman through AIPAC and other nefarious means.  A huge criticism I have over Trump is all of the pro-israel bull<deleted> that has surfaced very early on the administration. Is another constituency hears obviously very beholden to. I have little doubt that many Jewish leaders in the United States were in large part targeted by Epstein.

 

The truth about Trump will come out. I have no stones to cast.

 

I am not MAGA and never was but the idea of supporting the Democratic party and or Kamala Harris simply because she was in Trump is completely ill thought and an absolute disaster for the nation.

 

This is Us politics and I have absolutely zero interest in what anyone outside the nation has to say about the matter. All of the barbs and insults that are thrown around this forum daily are just an insult to my and anyone else that supports fiscal solvencies intelligence. Most if not all of you know absolutely nothing about economics to be frank. All the insults hurled at those that support the Trump agenda have always been extremely shallow and that is especially true from those non US citizens.

 

Edit: please excuse some nonsensical wording. This was written on my phone and some with speech to text

All this just because you were looking for a condo?

[BLMFem]

3 hours ago, frank83628 said:

They are both quite funny, but the derangement doesn't allow you to laugh, rather is makes you suck lemons

Better suck lemons than Putin's teats, right buddy?

[BLMFem]

34 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

If Trump was in the Epstein files for anytjing dodgy don't you think ths democrats or lamestream media would have exposed it.

Or are you too far in the derangement to use logic?

I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out they  its a piss take, and they played everyone

Trump doesn't do piss anymore, buddy. He got burned once and Putin never lets him forget it.

[frank83628]

36 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

don't get piss Dimitry, patient it's a great virtue... sit back, wait and see

Patience is, remind me of the hysterical knee jerk threads on here about Trumps tariffs? 

I just said I wouldn't be surprised if they were playing everyone

[candide]

47 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

If Trump was in the Epstein files for anytjing dodgy don't you think ths democrats or lamestream media would have exposed it.

Or are you too far in the derangement to use logic?

I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out they  its a piss take, and they played everyone

I don't know what's in the files, but the current WH is certainly not hiding them in order to protect the Dems! 

[LosLobo]

LosLobo ^TM 
 

[frank83628]

17 minutes ago, candide said:

I don't know what's in the files, but the current WH is certainly not hiding them in order to protect the Dems! 

Given the circles Epstein moved in I expect there are more than just Dem or Rep politicians on the list. I was hoping the list would be shown,  don't really believe bongino or cash about the suicide, seems they've been told from above, a bit like Bernie when he endorsed Hillary.

[Presto]

Elect a clown (a corrupt fascist and racist clown) expect a circus (a corrupt fascist and racist circus).

64 million, 74 million and 77 million adult Americans voted for this clown.

Do they enjoy the circus? Or are they simply too stupid?

[spidermike007]

5 hours ago, Hummin said:

But in his mind, he is still the greatest above anyone else, and thats the core of the delicate problem when his fans still believes in him

I think it was the pretense of DOGE, and now Trump turning around and introducing the big ugly bill which will add trillions to the deficit. Those two actions are in conflict with each other, at least on the face of things.

 

At this point I think Musk feels like a hypocrite, and perhaps he feels betrayed by the giant liar, when Trump has absolutely no interest in lowering the deficit and was completely insincere about those talking points, saying absolutely anything that he needed to say to get elected. 

 

I really don't like either of these guys but I dislike Trump a whole lot more than Musk. What's really fascinating is that six months or a year ago Musk was a hero to so many, then he became a villain and a creep for supporting villainous spending cuts, and now he's starting to look heroic against for speaking truth, when nobody else will. 

 

It's all quite amusing and I for one I'm really enjoying watching this play out. My guess is the Trump will end up being the loser in all this, which is kind of his MO in general. Though he doesn't like being a loser, it suits him well. 

[Presto]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

I think it was the pretense of DOGE, and now Trump turning around and introducing the big ugly bill which will add trillions to the deficit. Those two actions are in conflict with each other, at least on the face of things.

 

At this point I think Musk feels like a hypocrite, and perhaps he feels betrayed by the giant liar, when Trump has absolutely no interest in lowering the deficit and was completely insincere about those talking points, saying absolutely anything that he needed to say to get elected. 

 

I really don't like either of these guys but I dislike Trump a whole lot more than Musk. What's really fascinating is that six months or a year ago Musk was a hero to so many, then he became a villain and a creep for supporting villainous spending cuts, and now he's starting to look heroic against for speaking truth, when nobody else will. 

 

It's all quite amusing and I for one I'm really enjoying watching this play out. My guess is the Trump will end up being the loser in all this, which is kind of his MO in general. Though he doesn't like being a loser, it suits him well. 

Can you explain to me what Musk has actually achieved with his illegal DOGE actions? For one thing a lot of private data of American citizens has found it's way into his hands, but what else?

[spidermike007]

1 minute ago, Presto said:

Can you explain to me what Musk has actually achieved with his illegal DOGE actions? For one thing a lot of private data of American citizens has found it's way into his hands, but what else?

I am not a supporter of Musk now, nor have I been a supporter of DOGE, so I'm the wrong person to ask. I think it was a completely ridiculous act, I think it was phony to a huge degree, and I think it didn't save much at all in the way of money, but a tremendous amount was lost in the way of jobs, international prestige and aid to the poorest of the poor. 

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

I couldn't bear reading all of this rambling nonsense. It's like the transcript of a psychiatric institution inmate interview. As soon as I saw the claim of a  big conspiracy, I knew this was  unhinged.

People were done in by their own greed and lust, nothing more. He was a glorified con artist who used his financial schemes as stepping stones. He played the system, sometimes with shady characters and he gathered  enough information on the shady  people to be able to trade them in every time he was caught doing something questionable. He was no different than a petty criminal who also acts as a confidential informant for the police. His use of pretty girls  is the standard M.O. for schemers. It goes on every day at some casinos where managers send over hookers to make sure high rollers are kept happy. it happens on a smaller scale in the major clubs of Thailand, where pretty men and women are assigned to the VIP rooms etc.  Musk has nothing on Trump.

You are comparing two deeply corrupt, highly immoral, pathological superfreaks and trying to claim that one somehow has the higher moral ground over the other. That is quite amusing in and of itself. 

[spidermike007]

29 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Given the circles Epstein moved in I expect there are more than just Dem or Rep politicians on the list. I was hoping the list would be shown,  don't really believe bongino or cash about the suicide, seems they've been told from above, a bit like Bernie when he endorsed Hillary.

A lot of people are on the list from both sides of the aisle, including Trump no doubt. The the man has no discrimination and his lack of morality is epic, so why wouldn't he be involved?

 

Of course now he no longer has much appetite because he's likely incapable, but back in the day? 

[Hawaiian]

3 minutes ago, gargamon said:

Retired at 45. 70 now and my net worth is significantly more than it was when I retired. Business empire? Who cares. 25 years in SE Asia is much more fun than all that BS anyway.

 

 University degrees do not guarantee success. A collage education is what, something to do with paper and glueing? Is that what you have?

A lack of higher education degrees did not stop me.  I got just enough of trade school to enter construction and climbed up the ladder to a construction super before going into business for myself.  I took college business courses to better understand about business law, real estate development and finance.  I enjoyed my work and eventually retired comfortably at age 70.  Same thing with my military reserve career.  Mostly on the job training and retired as an E-7.  

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

If Trump was in the Epstein files for anytjing dodgy don't you think ths democrats or lamestream media would have exposed it.

Or are you too far in the derangement to use logic?

I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out they  its a piss take, and they played everyone

Absolutely not, the deep state has done everything in their power to erase any mentions or articles of his close friendship with Epstein, and his multiple visits to the mansion, and more than likely many visits to Orgy Island. As depraved as he is it wouldn't make sense that he didn't join Epstein for many visits there. 

[Presto]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

I am not a supporter of Musk now, nor have I been a supporter of DOGE, so I'm the wrong person to ask. I think it was a completely ridiculous act, I think it was phony to a huge degree, and I think it didn't save much at all in the way of money, but a tremendous amount was lost in the way of jobs, international prestige and aid to the poorest of the poor. 

I agree, but I go a bit further. He fired people indiscriminately, no thought behind it. That will have actual cost in real life, later on. Some of those people had to be rehired. Legal costs. The ending of f.i. USAID has nothing to do with waste fraud and abuse, it has to do with bigotry. Unless Musk, or DOGE, shows what waste fraud and abuse he has miraculously discovered. So far he hasn't.

It's a chainsaw in the hands of a drug addict, allowed by a clown. 

[spidermike007]

1 hour ago, connda said:

Good one, there's no question that Trump looks like a fool around the world, and hundreds of millions are laughing at his arrogance, over estimation of Amqeicam influence, and absolute stupidity. 

 

 

[frank83628]

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Absolutely not, the deep state has done everything in their power to erase any mentions or articles of his close friendship with Epstein, and his multiple visits to the mansion, and more than likely many visits to Orgy Island. As depraved as he is it wouldn't make sense that he didn't join Epstein for many visits there. 

I thought the deep state was a maga conspiracy?

Hes tee total, so I dohbt he got involved in and drug fuelled diddy style orgies.

By if he was on there it would have been outed by now, the dems tried everythi g they could to get rid of him, do you think they would have kept their Ace card quiet

[TheAppletons]

The fact that they're eating Cheetos with the tacos is awesome.

 

 

[tomazbodner]

8 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

MAGA politicians are between a rock and a hard spot. Either way they're gonna piss someone off and many coming up for re-election in 2026 will be voted out.

Make Alcatraz Great Again?

[frank83628]

24 minutes ago, Presto said:

I agree, but I go a bit further. He fired people indiscriminately, no thought behind it. That will have actual cost in real life, later on. Some of those people had to be rehired. Legal costs. The ending of f.i. USAID has nothing to do with waste fraud and abuse, it has to do with bigotry. Unless Musk, or DOGE, shows what waste fraud and abuse he has miraculously discovered. So far he hasn't.

It's a chainsaw in the hands of a drug addict, allowed by a clown. 

Bigotry and Drug addict, what planet are you on!

How is getting rid of goverment waste bigotry? You know that clinton, obama, and others have all said the same over the years but never did anything about it.

Only someone totally naive, with zero experience would call Musk drug addict. 

You win most stupid comment of the day

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[Lacessit]

Musk's fortune at its peak was estimated to be $500 billion. His business was based on innovation in coming up with products people wanted. He has shown a lot of resilience in averting bankruptcies of several businesses he started.

He has a BA in physics, and a B Sc in economics.

 

Trump's fortune is anywhere between $2 billion and $6 billion, and seems to be based mainly on cheating people. He has a string of failed businesses behind him.

He has a B Sc in economics from the same school, and has sued Wharton to prevent his grades being public knowledge.

 

Question is, who is more likely to be right about the Big Beautiful Bill, and its effect on US debt?

 

My money is on Musk.

[Presto]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

Bigotry and Drug addict, what planet are you on!

How is getting rid of goverment waste bigotry? You know that clinton, obama, and others have all said the same over the years but never did anything about it.

Only someone totally naive, with zero experience would call Musk drug addict. 

You win most stupid comment of the day

Cutting aid to projects in foreign countries comes from bigotry, if you don't show what the waste fraud and abuse is in those projects. Btw, if there was any waste fraud and abuse, show it, and eliminate it. Not the project .

Another btw, isn't Congress the institution to determine where the money goes? 

This is all done by a wacko with plastic cheese on his head, or two hats, running around with a chainsaw or making the Sieg Heil salute.

Yes, and a self-admitted ketamine addict.

[jvs]

Behind the scenes talks are happening but i doubt it can be patched.

True professionals would never ever let this go public.

The world is watching and having a laugh for sure.

[riclag]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Patience is, remind me of the hysterical knee jerk threads on here about Trumps tariffs? 

I just said I wouldn't be surprised if they were playing everyone

Thats a bingo!During the “Look over there” back & fourth Elon comes out with a poll showing the displeasure with the GOP establishment .Lots of deep fakes going on.

 

 

Epstein mentioned: Somebody needed to open the flood gate for the release of the Epstein files of which shows Trump hitching a ride on the Lolita Express to destinations that didn’t involve youngins , way back when!

imop

 

 

[BLMFem]

48 minutes ago, riclag said:

Thats a bingo!During the “Look over there” back & fourth Elon comes out with a poll showing the displeasure with the GOP establishment.

 

I don't think you realise that the MAGA movement is now the GOP establishment. Ooops.

[BLMFem]

Anyone remember this? Only four months ago, shorter than the average Hollywood celebrity couple's marriage. 😄

[NickyLouie]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

aid to the poorest of the poor. 

 

US Aid the scam CIA slush fund ?

 

 

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, frank83628 said:

If Trump was in the Epstein files for anytjing dodgy don't you think ths democrats or lamestream media would have exposed it.

Or are you too far in the derangement to use logic?

I wouldnt be surprised if it turns out they  its a piss take, and they played everyone

if and a big IF Biden had access to that file, was smart/honest and with enough scrupulous  to keep it and not publish it, VS the MAGA people without any scrupulous will use the lame stream media to publish anything for revenge, even it's not true they still go for it and that's a big difference, did you get it Dimitry???