California in Uproar as Newsom Condemns Trump’s Troop Deployment as ‘Deranged Fantasy’

[jas007]

55 minutes ago, sharot724 said:

The BS is immense and not worthy. Keep up the hate as your looking really good 

He's not wrong. Not at all.

 

I've lived at the beach in Southern California. Three or four times, on different occasions.. I was  always close enough to the ocean to hear the waves at night. One time, I didn't even have to cross the street. I was right there, on the beach. And if you can afford it, that's paradise. Have enough money to never leave the neighborhood and you're all set. The basic uniform is T-shirt, shorts, and flip flops. And some jogging shoes if you like to run in the morning.  And maybe a little car to go to the grocery store once in a while. 

 

Today, that kind of lifestyle is for the ultra-rich. Buying a place right at the beach can cost millions. And renting isn't anywhere near affordable for the average person. And once you're there and never want to leave the neighborhood, you had better have a nice cash flow.  In it's getting more expensive all the time.

 

Sure people are leaving California. That's how Arizona got so screwed up. They move  there, to Texas, or elsewhere in the Deep South. And so far, they've also ruined Austin. That's not the place it used to be, not by a long shot. I'm not the expert on today's Austin, but in the few times I was there in the early 90s, it seemed like a nice laid-back place. They say all that has changed for the worse. 

 

As for the rest of California?  What do you think about traffic gridlock?  Sitting in your car, seemingly forever, just to travel a few miles? Ands even those people pay outrageous rents and outrageous amounts of money for whatever houses they buy.  Property taxes are high, sales taxes are high, gas taxes are high.... anything they think of to tax, they'll tax.  

 

 

 

 

 

[mogandave]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

Proof? Lot more likely the criminal element causing damage / looting. LA Major has announced a curfew for downtown LA i.e. one square mile, whilst LA comprises 520+ square miles. Puts it into perspective doesn't it, rather than the usual BS from MAGA world

So, she’s punishing everyone in one square mile, for the actions of a few criminals she is working to protect. 

 

Perfect leftist reasoning.

[radiochaser]

42 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

THat is a good question, not sure about the answer. When I was in the Armed Forces in Canada, one of the duties we were trained for was called "aid to civil power". This covered everything from helping in natural disasters to civil unrest. In practical terms, it meant helping old people shovel out their driveways after blizzards.... but we DID get trained in how to operate in urban areas during civil disorder. 

 

As for the US Army and National Guard, YMMV. 

I have watched an Army National Guard MP unit train for riot duty.   They were expected to be called up for that back in the early 1980's.   

[mogandave]

50 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Obama legally deported 3.2 million undocumented immigrants—quietly, without cruelty, violence, or turning it into a media circus.

Trump’s LA raids, on the other hand, have involved Marines, flash-bangs, mass arrests, and wall-to-wall news coverage since June 6, 2025.
 

It’s hard not to see it as a planned distraction from:
 

• His messy breakup with Musk and renewed accusations of being Epstein’s wingman
• Mounting criticism over the Big Ugly Bill
• His failure to deliver peace in Ukraine on day one
• A missed 90-day deadline for tariff deals—UK only signed a MOU.
• Xi tightening his grip on rare earths while outplaying him on trade
• Rising living costs and recession warnings tied to his tariff policies

Take your pick.

The Obama Administration redefined deportations to include turnarounds. 

 

Too funny. 

[impulse]

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

Today, that kind of lifestyle is for the ultra-rich. Buying a place right at the beach can cost millions. And renting isn't anywhere near affordable for the average person. And once you're there and never want to leave the neighborhood, you had better have a nice cash flow.  In it's getting more expensive all the time.

 

California is amazing for those who bought in back in the '70s and '80s when property was affordable.  When I got there in '95, several of my coworkers were living in nice homes they bought for $75-100K, that were worth over $350K just a few years later.

 

Edit:  Huntington Beach, BTW.  Loved it there.  Just couldn't afford to stay.

 

Recently, there's been an exodus in the middle, being replaced by illegals and the homeless.  Which doesn't bode well for anyone but the uber rich and the ones on the gub'ment dole.  And even the uber-rich are looking elsewhere.

 

 

 

[mogandave]

9 minutes ago, jas007 said:

He's not wrong. Not at all.

 

I've lived at the beach in Southern California. Three or four times, on different occasions.. I was  always close enough to the ocean to hear the waves at night. One time, I didn't even have to cross the street. I was right there, on the beach. And if you can afford it, that's paradise. Have enough money to never leave the neighborhood and you're all set. The basic uniform is T-shirt, shorts, and flip flops. And some jogging shoes if you like to run in the morning.  And maybe a little car to go to the grocery store once in a while. 

 

Today, that kind of lifestyle is for the ultra-rich. Buying a place right at the beach can cost millions. And renting isn't anywhere near affordable for the average person. And once you're there and never want to leave the neighborhood, you had better have a nice cash flow.  In it's getting more expensive all the time.

 

Sure people are leaving California. That's how Arizona got so screwed up. They move  there, to Texas, or elsewhere in the Deep South. And so far, they've also ruined Austin. That's not the place it used to be, not by a long shot. I'm not the expert on today's Austin, but in the few times I was there in the early 90s, it seemed like a nice laid-back place. They say all that has changed for the worse. 

 

As for the rest of California?  What do you think about traffic gridlock?  Sitting in your car, seemingly forever, just to travel a few miles? Ands even those people pay outrageous rents and outrageous amounts of money for whatever houses they buy.  Property taxes are high, sales taxes are high, gas taxes are high.... anything they think of to tax, they'll tax.  

 

 

 

 

 

I grew up about six miles from Paramount and about fifteen miles to the beach. It was paradise as well. Not anymore is isn’t.

 

 

[sqwakvfr]

A little different reception in Santa Ana than in LA.  I guess people in Oranage County have class and dignity:

 

 

[mogandave]

8 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

California is amazing for those who bought in back in the '70s and '80s when property was affordable.  When I got there in '95, several of my coworkers were living in nice homes they bought for $75-100K, that were worth over $350K just a few years later.

 

Recently, there's been an exodus in the middle, being replaced by illegals and the homeless.  Which doesn't bode well for anyone but the uber rich and the ones on the gub'ment dole.  And even the uber-rich are looking elsewhere.

 

 

 

No. Most Anyone that bought a home in the ‘70s and ‘80s for $75-100k owns a $800 house in a ghetto with sh*t schools.

 

Sure, there are some nice pockets, but that’s not the rule. 

[bubblegum]

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Paid protesters supported by the lunatic rhetoric from the left.

Out of thin air he says

[bubblegum]

Burning book, deporting undesirables and boys in brown enticing unrest. Reminds me of something, was it a movie?

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

•Illegal day labourers•... why do you guys constantly leave out the word 'llegal'. No legal immigrants or US citizens are being targetted. Stop with the lies.

From what I read, it is undocumented not illegal labourers. Big difference. 

[mogandave]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

From what I read, it is undocumented not illegal labourers. Big difference. 

How is it different? If they were in the country legally. they would be documented. 

 

 

[Trippy]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

From what I read, it is undocumented not illegal labourers. Big difference. 

What's the big difference?

[LosLobo]

No one has done more to divide America than Donald Trump—the greatest fomenter of hate between Americans since the days of Robert E. Lee.
 

Trump’s D-Day stunt in L.A. was just a warm-up. On his birthday this Saturday, Trump hijacks a modest Army observance and turns it into his hero Putin’s Kremlin-style military pageantry: 6,500 troops, 150+ armored vehicles, 50+ military aircraft, 175 magnetometers, and 18 miles of fencing—expecting 200,000 attendees, with dissenters pushed to the sidelines.
 

Meanwhile, elsewhere, No Kings—a grassroots revolt against authoritarianism—rises in peaceful defiance, with nearly 2,000 protests planned across the country.
 

Get out the popcorn—1935 Nuremberg Rally meets First Amendment.

https://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/trump-warns-plan-protest-parade-celebrating-us-army-122713736

[jas007]

20 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I grew up about six miles from Paramount and about fifteen miles to the beach. It was paradise as well. Not anymore is isn’t.

 

 

All of LA used to be fun, back in the 70s. Sure, you could end up in a traffic gridlock out on some of the interstates, but mostly, you could zip around town without too much trouble. And it didn't cost much to live there, or at least that seemed to be the case. 

[radiochaser]

1 hour ago, simple1 said:

 

It's trump claiming anarchists are paid protesters without any evidence whatsoever. If the claim is true one would think the FBI would have already arrested them / financiers.

I was told that I could get $45.00 an hour as a protestor.   

[dinsdale]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

The military are not trained to manage civil disorder.

Yes, they are. Get your facts straight. They don't, however, have power of arrest.

All Marines receive crowd control training and those sent to Los Angeles are carrying shields and batons, Gen. Eric Smith, the Marine Corps commandant, said Tuesday during a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2025-06-10/troops-la-protests-ice-raids-18081827.html

 

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, Trippy said:

What's the big difference?

Undocumented workers are processed at the border check points. Illegals are those who bypassed (eg sneaked in) the border check points and not processed. Undocumented have basic rights and due process. Not Illegals and when caught are deported without the need for due process. 

[bubblegum]

10 minutes ago, radiochaser said:

I was told that I could get $45.00 an hour as a protestor.   

Proof?????

[radiochaser]

Just now, bubblegum said:

Proof?????

Just me.   

I interviewed for a protest job when I lived in california too.  But that was back in 1988 when the pay was $15.00 an hour.   Adjusting for inflation  etc.  That was better pay. 

[dinsdale]

29 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

No one has done more to divide America than Donald Trump

So the Dems open the borders and allow millions of illegal aliens to flood into the country and then give them tax payer money for support and for you this isn't the basis of the division but now Trump's reversing the insane Dems policy and deporting illegal immigrants this is divisive.  

[bubblegum]

 

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[LosLobo]

Kimmel reporting from LA......

 

 

[Screaming]

Poll: Majority of voters back Trump deploying National Guard to L.A.

https://www.wnd.com/2025/06/poll-majority-of-voters-back-trump-deploying-national-guard-to-l-a/

 

So left wing socialist, globalist Newson thinks that President Trump deploying troops to protect the good citizens of LA is deranged fantasy, yet LA continues to burn. The rest of the Nation of U.S. citizens support President Trumps effort to protect the nation from outside illegal invaders and secure the sovereignty of the United States. 

[impulse]

33 minutes ago, radiochaser said:

I was told that I could get $45.00 an hour as a protestor.   

 

Do they offer dental and a 401K?

 

And do I get a bonus if I can get the cops to shoot me in the leg with a rubber bullet on international TV?

 

[mogandave]

41 minutes ago, jas007 said:

All of LA used to be fun, back in the 70s. Sure, you could end up in a traffic gridlock out on some of the interstates, but mostly, you could zip around town without too much trouble. And it didn't cost much to live there, or at least that seemed to be the case. 

Kids graduating high school could get good trade or manufacturing jobs and buy nice homes. 

 

No more.

[Patong2021]

39 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Yes, they are. Get your facts straight. They don't, however, have power of arrest.

All Marines receive crowd control training and those sent to Los Angeles are carrying shields and batons, Gen. Eric Smith, the Marine Corps commandant, said Tuesday during a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee.

https://www.stripes.com/theaters/us/2025-06-10/troops-la-protests-ice-raids-18081827.html

 

 

 

Please quote the full information;

Smith said the Marines have received “in excess of two hours” of training on the use of less than lethal force in cities, or crowd control, and that they would have shields and batons as their equipment.

 

He could not say how much in excess of 2 hours.  In contrast, as of  2007, all LAPD personnel receive a basic 10 hours in crowd control. It doesn't matter whether they work traffic or homicide, all personnel are required to take the training. This is before the training given to the specialized units. This basic  training requirement  was implemented after the MacCarthur Park mess, when the LAPD contained an immigration enforcement protest through an over use of  force.   There is additional training for crowd control with time designated for specialty. There is a mandatory  6.5-hour course on deploying 40mm rounds for crowd control, plus an additional 4-hour training for supervisors. An additional six hours are dedicated to “the application of less-lethal force.” Every two years, officers take eight hours of training as a refresher.   There is a 24 hour  continuing education requirement to be completed every 2 years. Within that requirement are refresher courses on perishable skills that include;  Arrest & Control - 4 hour minimum,  Use of Force - 4 hour minimum.

 

The takeaway is that the police tactical response unit members tasked with  crowd control intervention have  30+ hours of training to begin with and then an additional 10-20 hours every 2 years plus practical experience of dealing with civilians every day. This is in sharp contrast to the USMC personnel who have been given 2 hours of training and some batons. That is not appropriate, nor fair to the  marines. That is not what they volunteered for.

 

And as a reminder; The Marines  will not have arrest authority. Under the Posse Comitatus Act, U.S. service members are barred from policing citizens on American soil. The Marines cannot be used against the protestors, otherwise there will be a constitutional and legal crisis that will not end well for the Federal government.

 

There is little point in deploying military personnel under the  present circumstances other than to make a political statement.

Let the police respond first. If they cannot do the job, then there are legal grounds to intervene.

 

 

[dinsdale]

8 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Kimmel reporting from LA......

 

 

Kimmel's an idiot. 

[dinsdale]

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

 

Please quote the full information;

Smith said the Marines have received “in excess of two hours” of training on the use of less than lethal force in cities, or crowd control, and that they would have shields and batons as their equipment.

 

He could not say how much in excess of 2 hours.  In contrast, as of  2007, all LAPD personnel receive a basic 10 hours in crowd control. It doesn't matter whether they work traffic or homicide, all personnel are required to take the training. This is before the specialized training given to the specialized units. This basic  training requirement  was implemented after the MacCarthur Park mess, when the LAPD contained an immigration enforcement protest through an over use of  force.   There is additional training for crowd control with time designated for specialty. There is a mandatory  6.5-hour course on deploying 40mm rounds for crowd control, plus an additional 4-hour training for supervisors. An additional six hours are dedicated to “the application of less-lethal force.” Every two years, officers take eight hours of training as a refresher.   There is a 24 hour  continuing education requirement to be completed every 2 years. Within that requirement are refresher courses on perishable skills that include;  Arrest & Control - 4 hour minimum,  Use of Force - 4 hour minimum.

 

The takeaway is that the police tactical response unit members tasked with  crowd control intervention have  30+ hours of training to begin with and then an additional 10

-20 hours every 2 years plus practical experience of dealing with civilians every day. This is in sharp contrast to the USMC personnel who have been given 2 hours of training and some batons. That is not appropriate, nor fair to the  marines. That is not what they volunteered for.

 

And as a reminder; The Marines  will not have arrest authority. Under the Posse Comitatus Act, U.S. service members are barred from policing citizens on American soil. The Marines cannot be used against the protestors, otherwise there will be a constitutional and legal crisis that will not end well for the Federal government.

 

There is little point in deploying military personnel under the  present circumstances other than to make a political statement.

Let the police respond first. If they cannot do the job, then there are legal grounds to intervene.

 

 

You said the marines are not trained in crowd control. This means zero training. Admit your comment was wrong.

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, Screaming said:

Poll: Majority of voters back Trump deploying National Guard to L.A.

https://www.wnd.com/2025/06/poll-majority-of-voters-back-trump-deploying-national-guard-to-l-a/

 

So left wing socialist, globalist Newson thinks that President Trump deploying troops to protect the good citizens of LA is deranged fantasy, yet LA continues to burn. The rest of the Nation of U.S. citizens support President Trumps effort to protect the nation from outside illegal invaders and secure the sovereignty of the United States. 

I wouldn't take serious a rebrand Rasmussen poll which have often been questioned for its methodology.

 

A plurality of Americans don't approve of the Trump administration's deployment of the National Guard and Marines in response to Los Angeles protests, the latest YouGov polling shows.