Will there ever be a safe vaccine?

[Lacessit]

15 hours ago, kwilco said:

Is available in Thailand try the name Venetoclax.

It wasn't when I needed it, not that I could have afforded it.

 

Just bought "Bad Science" for my Kindle, thanks.

[Red Phoenix]

25 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What is it your disbelief in tetanus vaccine, or is just disbelief in tetanus as dangerous? 

I grow up on a farm, so for us it was important to take the vaccine. Did they lie to us? 

 

YES, they lied to us. 

Tetanus is rare. Fewer people die from Tetanus than lightning strikes.

Plus, there’s no definitive proof the vaccine even works!

Yet it’s bundled with diphtheria and pertussis, making it impossible to opt out selectively.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

What is it your disbelief in tetanus vaccine, or is just disbelief in tetanus as dangerous? 

I grow up on a farm, so for us it was important to take the vaccine. Did they lie to us? 

To know if they'd lied to you, one or more of you would have needed to not take the vaccine.

But you all took it, so impossible to say.

 

The only way for anyone to know if a vaccine works or not, or the danger real or not, is for a percentage of your community to not take it. Obviously, those not taking it would need to be living in the same area and having the same ethnicity.

[gamb00ler]

17 hours ago, kwilco said:

You really don't understand the issues with "big Pharma" - you should read "Bad Science" by Ben Goldacre

Thanks for mentioning that title.  I took a look at the Wiki page and I'm definitely going to read it.

[Hummin]

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

To know if they'd lied to you, one or more of you would have needed to not take the vaccine.

But you all took it, so impossible to say.

 

The only way for anyone to know if a vaccine works or not, or the danger real or not, is for a percentage of your community not take it. Obviously, those not taking it would need to be living in the same area and having the same ethnicity.

Seems Usa will get some new statistics on the matter the next decade, since many Americans is willing to expose themselves and the kids for new groundbraking researches when it comes to statistics. 

 

 

[BritManToo]

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Seems Usa will get some new statistics on the matter the next decade, since many Americans is willing to expose themselves and the kids for new groundbraking researches when it comes to statistics. 

I had 4 unvaccinated kids back in the UK, all still alive, healthy, and aged 20-40.

Whenever a doctor wanted to vaccinate them, I would say, "Sure, as long as you write me a note saying you accept full and personal liability for any resulting harm"

 

The doctors seemed to lose interest in the vaccines, after I said that. 

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I had 4 unvaccinated kids back in the UK, all still alive, healthy, and aged 20-40.

You understand statistically that doesnt mean anything? Science doesnt work that way. 

 

Exposure is another factor and environment you living in.

[transam]

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I had 4 unvaccinated kids back in the UK, all still alive, healthy, and aged 20-40.

You still don't understand what vaccination is about. Most are proven prevention that most kids had in the UK. 

 

If any of your UK kids contracted Polio, TB, what would you say here now because of your action.....?

 

"I made a mistake gambling with my kid's wellbeing, lives".....  🥴

[BritManToo]

7 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You understand statistically that doesnt mean anything? Science doesnt work that way. 

Exposure is another factor and environment you living in.

With my 7 vaccinations, I went all over America, Canada, Europe, Africa, Middle East, Asia and China.

 

But tetanus is the easy one, because the science claims the bacteria is in the soil and animal innards everywhere.

So we're all exposed, everyday.

 

And Chickenpox, Measles, Mumps I had back in the 1960s when there were no vaccinations for them, and survived, same as everyone else.

 

COVID I had right at the start when there was no vaccine, didn't harm me either, not as bad as the flu but lingered a bit longer.

[BritManToo]

15 minutes ago, transam said:

You still don't understand what vaccination is about. Most are proven prevention that most kids had in the UK. 

If any of your UK kids contracted Polio, TB, what would you say here now because of your action.....?

"I made a mistake gambling with my kid's wellbeing, lives".....  🥴

To have kids, is to gamble, I have 5, ranging from 13 to 40, and a 6th I acquired through marriage.

All healthy, one slightly damaged by COVID vaccine, taken to hospital where she recovered fairly quickly.

 

I wouldn't inject steroids either, but you seemed happy enough with them when you were a juicer.

[Red Phoenix]

6 minutes ago, transam said:

You still don't understand what vaccination is about. Most are proven prevention that most kids had in the UK. 

If any of your UK kids contracted Polio, TB, what would you say here now because of your action.....?

"I made a mistake gambling with my kid's wellbeing, lives".....  🥴

 

Current outbreaks of polio in some parts of the world are linked to the oral polio vaccine (OPV).  

Even the mainstream media admit this. 

Do look it up (I know you won't as you are too busy posting insults and nonsense).  

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Current outbreaks of polio in some parts of the world are linked to the oral polio vaccine (OPV).  

Even the mainstream media admit this. 

Do look it up (I know you won't as you are too busy posting insults and nonsense).  

Yes, I've noticed that too, the pro-vax lobby always want to bring personal insults into the mix.

Guess it's just part of the angry and violent social Marxist mindset.

[transam]

28 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

To have kids, is to gamble, I have 5, ranging from 13 to 40, and a 6th I acquired through marriage.

All healthy, one slightly damaged by COVID vaccine, taken to hospital where she recovered fairly quickly.

 

I wouldn't inject steroids either, but you seemed happy enough with them when you were a juicer.

Don't tell lies about me to get out of being shown up, but you are in good company with the OP.

 

The only steroids I have ever had were to deal with Psoriasis, and not injected..........🤥

[transam]

29 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Current outbreaks of polio in some parts of the world are linked to the oral polio vaccine (OPV).  

Even the mainstream media admit this. 

Do look it up (I know you won't as you are too busy posting insults and nonsense).  

🤣.......You're nuts.............🤣

[Red Phoenix]

1 minute ago, transam said:

31 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Current outbreaks of polio in some parts of the world are linked to the oral polio vaccine (OPV).  

Even the mainstream media admit this. 

Do look it up (I know you won't as you are too busy posting insults and nonsense).  

🤣.......You're nuts.............🤣

 

As expected, instead of looking it up (which would be easy as this fact is well documented and even the pro-vax mainstream media admit it), the obnoxious Transman posts an insult.  

 

[transam]

1 minute ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

As expected, instead of looking it up (which would be easy as this fact is well documented and even the pro-vax mainstream media admit it), the obnoxious Transman posts an insult.  

 

I have been reading your anti-vax stuff for years, it is laughable.........😂

 

Plus, my username is "transam", I know it maybe difficult for you to remember, but please try...😉

[xylophone]

Getting back to the subject of a "safe vaccine", it would seem that Australian researchers are using the mRNA "tool" in order to rid the body of HIV, so this will be a major step for the sufferers, and could lead to more research and cures utilising the mRNA "tool".

 

This will no doubt upset the anti-VAX posters, but research and progress will move us forward in the fight against diseases and viruses.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/used-in-covid-shots-mrna-may-help-rid-the-body-of-hiv/B2YNUPJEWVFFVH42DDEIUMRKMA/

[JimHuaHin]

A better question may be - will there ever be a 100% safe medication?

 

Whenever I am prescribed or given a new medication, my first action is to go online to MIMS (or a smiliar medical site), check dosage recommendations, check for potential side effects, check for contraindications and check for drug interactions.  Regretfully, not many doctors here seem to carry out such actions (let alone ask me what medications I am currently taking).

 

Consumer, beware.

[Red Phoenix]

22 minutes ago, transam said:

I have been reading your anti-vax stuff for years, it is laughable.........😂

 

Plus, my username is "transam", I know it maybe difficult for you to remember, but please try...😉

 

For me you are Transman, due to the Vampirella style haircut on your profile picture 🤣

[BritManToo]

21 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Getting back to the subject of a "safe vaccine", it would seem that Australian researchers are using the mRNA "tool" in order to rid the body of HIV, so this will be a major step for the sufferers, and could lead to more research and cures utilising the mRNA "tool".

 

This will no doubt upset the anti-VAX posters, but research and progress will move us forward in the fight against diseases and viruses.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/used-in-covid-shots-mrna-may-help-rid-the-body-of-hiv/B2YNUPJEWVFFVH42DDEIUMRKMA/

Curing a disease you already have isn't a vaccination.

So I doubt any anti-vax posters give a flying one about it.

[transam]

Just now, Red Phoenix said:

 

For me you are Transman, due to the Vampirella style haircut on your profile picture 🤣

If you have a problem with James Taylor in his only film, "Two Lane Black-top", that is up to you, but I will remind you, my username for you or anyone is "transam".

 

Do I call you Bluesphynx, no.......?  

[Red Phoenix]

19 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Getting back to the subject of a "safe vaccine", it would seem that Australian researchers are using the mRNA "tool" in order to rid the body of HIV, so this will be a major step for the sufferers, and could lead to more research and cures utilising the mRNA "tool".

 

This will no doubt upset the anti-VAX posters, but research and progress will move us forward in the fight against diseases and viruses.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/used-in-covid-shots-mrna-may-help-rid-the-body-of-hiv/B2YNUPJEWVFFVH42DDEIUMRKMA/

Promise, promise, never deliver—
Data looks good… 'til it starts to quiver.
Big bold claims, but only a sliver—
Of hope left cold in the funding river.

[Stiddle Mump]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Current outbreaks of polio in some parts of the world are linked to the oral polio vaccine (OPV).  

Even the mainstream media admit this. 

Do look it up (I know you won't as you are too busy posting insults and nonsense).  

Indeed!

 

It is also prevalent in area of the world where they are spraying filthy chemicals on the land.

[Hummin]

Im so happy Im not leaving my dna for external life behind me. 

 

Quite comfortable to know I do not need to worry about next generations 

[gamb00ler]

1 hour ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

Current outbreaks of polio in some parts of the world are linked to the oral polio vaccine (OPV).  

Even the mainstream media admit this. 

Do look it up (I know you won't as you are too busy posting insults and nonsense).  

You've being very disingenuous regarding the cases of Vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP).  It occurs very, very rarely.  The statistics say about 1 person per 2.7 million doses of OPV.  VAPP is not transmissible so your comment saying there have been outbreaks is nonsensical.  Outbreaks are caused only by transmission to previously uninfected persons.

 

I don't know if the frequency of VAPP quoted above has yet taken into account the change from trivalent OPV to bivalent OPV. That change reduces the frequency of VAPP by 86%.  Trivalent OPV is no longer required because Type 2 Polio has not been found since 1999.

[Red Phoenix]

13 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

You've being very disingenuous regarding the cases of Vaccine-associated paralytic polio (VAPP).  It occurs very, very rarely.  The statistics say about 1 person per 2.7 million doses of OPV.  VAPP is not transmissible so your comment saying there have been outbreaks is nonsensical.  Outbreaks are caused only by transmission to previously uninfected persons.

 

I don't know if the frequency of VAPP quoted above has yet taken into account the change from trivalent OPV to bivalent OPV. That change reduces the frequency of VAPP by 86%.  Trivalent OPV is no longer required because Type 2 Polio has not been found since 1999.

Wen you do some research, you will find that in spite of your 'nonsense' claim that there are still polio-outbreaks.

Vaccine-derived outbreaks (cVDPV2) are troubling parts of Africa, the Middle East, and the Pacific.

Wild polio remains endemic only in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

YES, they lied to us. 

Tetanus is rare. Fewer people die from Tetanus than lightning strikes.

Plus, there’s no definitive proof the vaccine even works!

Yet it’s bundled with diphtheria and pertussis, making it impossible to opt out selectively.

The vast majority of tetanus deaths occur in countries with low vaccination rates, and poor sanitation. 8811 in 2021.

 

Tetanus deaths in high vaccination countries (> 90%) decreased from 52 in 1990 to just 1 in 2021.

 

If that is not enough proof for you, I give up.

[Lacessit]

5 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

Wen you do some research, you will find that in spite of your 'nonsense' claim that there are still polio-outbreaks.

Vaccine-derived outbreaks (cVDPV2) are troubling parts of Africa, the Middle East, and the Pacific.

Wild polio remains endemic only in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

cVDPV2 only occurs in populations with very low vaccination rates.

 

Omitting relevant information which contradicts your posts seems to be a specialty of yours.

[hotsun]

44 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Im so happy Im not leaving my dna for external life behind me. 

 

Quite comfortable to know I do not need to worry about next generations 

If i didnt have kids i dont see the point of living anymore. No need to live for myself anymore ive already done everything i wanted to.

[Hummin]

2 minutes ago, hotsun said:

If i didnt have kids i dont see the point of living anymore. No need to live for myself anymore ive already done everything i wanted to.

Well there is some small highlights once and awhile, and I have a family I care for, both In Norway and Thailand, so it is still giving some meaning in the darkness of repetitious happenings. 

 

If there is no meaning, then create some meaning. You are the master of your own illusions, where you need to convince yourself life is good to keep your chemical brain stimulated.

 

Negativity do not stimulate in a good way