US CDC report shows no link between thimerosal-containing vaccines and autism

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, Photoguy21 said:

Interesting. The CDC run by people like Fauchi and others of similar mind set.

One of the most respected infectious disease experts ever. Certainly more credible than RFK.

[Photoguy21]

Just now, cjinchiangrai said:

One of the most respected infectious disease experts ever. Certainly more credible than RFK.

Of course he is. I don't know what you are taking but I am giving you the benefit and assuming you are joking. If not I suggest you get some help.

[Stiddle Mump]

11 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

The one with the microscopes and chemistry set. You have no reputation.

The one with an agenda of falsification.

 

If there are so many viruses, why can't they catch one?

[NoDisplayName]

5 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Thimerosal - a vaccine adjuvant - is anything but 'safe' 

Here the link to RFK jr's X-post

 

According to which flat-earf' chiropractor?

 

[cjinchiangrai]

57 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The one with an agenda of falsification.

 

If there are so many viruses, why can't they catch one?

If you do not believe the photos, you are deluded beyond hope.

[gamb00ler]

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Took a look. I particularly like the Ebola one. Looks a mean sod.

 

With all these viruses about. We are told that thousands can be expelled through one sneeze. It is somewhat mystifying why the white-coats can't actually isolate one and get a purification. Then some real science could be done, establishing they cause illness. Etc.

 

But!! Not done so far.

 

The pics look like cell debris to me.

Even your all time hero, Koch abandoned one of his postulates (assumptions).

 

Here's a breakdown of the refutations and limitations of the 140 year old Koch postulates:

1. Viruses and Prions:

Viruses:
Koch's postulates were originally designed for bacteria and other culturable microorganisms. Viruses, being obligate intracellular parasites, cannot be grown in pure culture outside a host cell, making it impossible to fulfill postulates 2 and 3.

Prions:
These infectious proteins cannot be grown in culture and also don't elicit an immune response, making them impossible to identify using Koch's postulates.

 

2. Asymptomatic Carriers:

Koch abandoned the first postulate when he discovered asymptomatic carriers of cholera, where an individual carries the pathogen without showing symptoms. 

Modern understanding of diseases recognizes that many pathogens can be carried without causing illness, making it difficult to definitively link a microbe to a disease solely based on its presence in all affected individuals.

 

3. Difficulty Culturing Pathogens:

Some pathogens are difficult or impossible to grow in the lab, even with modern techniques, preventing the fulfillment of postulate 2 (isolation and culture). 

Examples include viruses, some bacteria, and certain fungi.

 

4. Polymicrobial Infections:

Koch's postulates tend to focus on a single pathogen causing a disease, but many diseases are actually caused by a combination of different microorganisms.

This polymicrobial nature makes it challenging to isolate and test the role of each individual microbe in the disease process. 

 

5. Genetic and Host Factors:

Individuals can have different susceptibilities to the same pathogen due to genetic factors or other underlying health conditions, meaning the pathogen may not always cause the disease in every individual.

This variability makes it difficult to apply the postulates universally. 

 

6. Molecular Koch's Postulates and Alternatives:

Modern approaches, like molecular Koch's postulates, focus on identifying specific genes in a pathogen that are responsible for causing disease. 

Techniques like PCR and DNA sequencing have also been developed to identify pathogens, even those that are difficult to culture, and to establish links between pathogens and diseases. 

Other criteria, such as the Bradford Hill criteria, are also used to establish causality in infectious diseases. 

 

[Stiddle Mump]

17 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

If you do not believe the photos, you are deluded beyond hope.

Have you any idea what procedures are actually involved in getting these images?

 

There are about 20 different steps. Each one is a pit-fall for error. But!! The first step is getting some actual virus. If yer can't isolate, and purify the thing, you can't be sure what you are actually looking at.

 

Looks like general tissue debris to me. A couple of the images look more like bacteria than any virus or exosome.

 

Love nature - love yourself.

[Stiddle Mump]

6 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

Even your all time hero, Koch abandoned one of his postulates (assumptions).

 

Here's a breakdown of the refutations and limitations of the 140 year old Koch postulates:

1. Viruses and Prions:

Viruses:
Koch's postulates were originally designed for bacteria and other culturable microorganisms. Viruses, being obligate intracellular parasites, cannot be grown in pure culture outside a host cell, making it impossible to fulfill postulates 2 and 3.

Prions:
These infectious proteins cannot be grown in culture and also don't elicit an immune response, making them impossible to identify using Koch's postulates.

 

2. Asymptomatic Carriers:

Koch abandoned the first postulate when he discovered asymptomatic carriers of cholera, where an individual carries the pathogen without showing symptoms. 

Modern understanding of diseases recognizes that many pathogens can be carried without causing illness, making it difficult to definitively link a microbe to a disease solely based on its presence in all affected individuals.

 

3. Difficulty Culturing Pathogens:

Some pathogens are difficult or impossible to grow in the lab, even with modern techniques, preventing the fulfillment of postulate 2 (isolation and culture). 

Examples include viruses, some bacteria, and certain fungi.

 

4. Polymicrobial Infections:

Koch's postulates tend to focus on a single pathogen causing a disease, but many diseases are actually caused by a combination of different microorganisms.

This polymicrobial nature makes it challenging to isolate and test the role of each individual microbe in the disease process. 

 

5. Genetic and Host Factors:

Individuals can have different susceptibilities to the same pathogen due to genetic factors or other underlying health conditions, meaning the pathogen may not always cause the disease in every individual.

This variability makes it difficult to apply the postulates universally. 

 

6. Molecular Koch's Postulates and Alternatives:

Modern approaches, like molecular Koch's postulates, focus on identifying specific genes in a pathogen that are responsible for causing disease. 

Techniques like PCR and DNA sequencing have also been developed to identify pathogens, even those that are difficult to culture, and to establish links between pathogens and diseases. 

Other criteria, such as the Bradford Hill criteria, are also used to establish causality in infectious diseases. 

 

Seems like a virologist is about. Here are Stiddle's lab guidelines.

 

Fins a virus in someone who is sick.

Isolate the virus.

See if it can cause anything resembling the original sickness in a new host

Take the new virus from the new host

Repeat with the new virus.

Characterize it.

 

With at least one control and independent observer.

 

Easy peasy - lemon squeezy. Wonder why they don't do it?

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Have you any idea what procedures are actually involved in getting these images?

Not a clue, but I am not a medical researcher.

 

There are about 20 different steps. Each one is a pit-fall for error. But!! The first step is getting some actual virus. If you can't isolate, and purify the thing, you can't be sure what you are actually looking at.

I hope they figured that out. Vaccines work so they must know something.

 

Looks like general tissue debris to me. A couple of the images look more like bacteria than any virus or exosome.

Maybe, but I still trust the medical lab more than I trust you.

 

Love nature - love yourself.

Love vaccines and live long enough to love others. That is the goal.

 

[gamb00ler]

1 hour ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Easy peasy - lemon squeezy. Wonder why they don't do it?

See above.  All in English and layman's terminology.  Easy peasy..... can you not read?

[Stiddle Mump]

1 hour ago, gamb00ler said:

Even your all time hero, Koch abandoned one of his postulates (assumptions).

 

Here's a breakdown of the refutations and limitations of the 140 year old Koch postulates:

1. Viruses and Prions:

Viruses:
Koch's postulates were originally designed for bacteria and other culturable microorganisms. Viruses, being obligate intracellular parasites, cannot be grown in pure culture outside a host cell, making it impossible to fulfill postulates 2 and 3.

Prions:
These infectious proteins cannot be grown in culture and also don't elicit an immune response, making them impossible to identify using Koch's postulates.

 

2. Asymptomatic Carriers:

Koch abandoned the first postulate when he discovered asymptomatic carriers of cholera, where an individual carries the pathogen without showing symptoms. 

Modern understanding of diseases recognizes that many pathogens can be carried without causing illness, making it difficult to definitively link a microbe to a disease solely based on its presence in all affected individuals.

 

3. Difficulty Culturing Pathogens:

Some pathogens are difficult or impossible to grow in the lab, even with modern techniques, preventing the fulfillment of postulate 2 (isolation and culture). 

Examples include viruses, some bacteria, and certain fungi.

 

4. Polymicrobial Infections:

Koch's postulates tend to focus on a single pathogen causing a disease, but many diseases are actually caused by a combination of different microorganisms.

This polymicrobial nature makes it challenging to isolate and test the role of each individual microbe in the disease process. 

 

5. Genetic and Host Factors:

Individuals can have different susceptibilities to the same pathogen due to genetic factors or other underlying health conditions, meaning the pathogen may not always cause the disease in every individual.

This variability makes it difficult to apply the postulates universally. 

 

6. Molecular Koch's Postulates and Alternatives:

Modern approaches, like molecular Koch's postulates, focus on identifying specific genes in a pathogen that are responsible for causing disease. 

Techniques like PCR and DNA sequencing have also been developed to identify pathogens, even those that are difficult to culture, and to establish links between pathogens and diseases. 

Other criteria, such as the Bradford Hill criteria, are also used to establish causality in infectious diseases. 

What a load of monumental humbug. All this nonsense (above) because they can't find a virus. Of course they can't. Pathogenic viruses don't exist.

 

Virologist should be made to walk the log.

[Stiddle Mump]

3 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

The one with the microscopes and chemistry set. You have no reputation.

The one on the pay-role you mean Sir. BTW, are you Ian?

 

My reputation is legendry.

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

The one on the pay-role you mean Sir. BTW, are you Ian?

 

My reputation is legendry.

Never heard of Ian.

 

Your view of your own reputation, may be as flawed as your view of vaccines.

[Stiddle Mump]

5 minutes ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Never heard of Ian.

 

Your view of your own reputation, may be as flawed as your view of vaccines.

Never heard of Ian? In your name cjinch Ian grai.

 

My view of vaccines eh!. I'll have you know that I started a group for like-thinking souls 5 years ago. Hurry if you want to join. There is a one million limit on membership.

[Magictoad]

But we have known this for years! It's only the conspiracy theory nutters who think otherwise. And they are 12 idiots in the states who spread their toxic rubbish to other countries during Covid-19; which did kill thousands of people until a vaccine was developed. It's time to move on now but the small minded trouble makers are on this forum and it's the obligation of every decent person to fight back against the anti medical nonsense before it kills one of us or someone we know or love. As vaccines work on a community basis not just an individual; the anti-vaxx nutters are spreading disinformation that damages us all and our children. 

[JackGats]

All the same, the presence of thimerosal in so many vaccines is a valid reason not to get more vaccines than is necessary.

[Stiddle Mump]

1 minute ago, JackGats said:

All the same, the presence of thimerosal in so many vaccines is a valid reason not to get more vaccines than is necessary.

What about not getting any vaccines? Much better for your health.

[cjinchiangrai]

6 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Never heard of Ian? In your name cjinch Ian grai.

 

My view of vaccines eh!. I'll have you know that I started a group for like-thinking souls 5 years ago. Hurry if you want to join. There is a one million limit on membership.

No need to join your Qanonsense club. I get quite enough of it here.

 

Insulting misuse of names is against board rules, and I still have no idea who Ian is. Maybe lead singer for a 70s art band?

[Andrew Dwyer]

11 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Never heard of Ian? In your name cjinch Ian grai.

 

My view of vaccines eh!. I'll have you know that I started a group for like-thinking souls 5 years ago. Hurry if you want to join. There is a one million limit on membership.

If you cannot figure out CJ in Chiang Rai then it doesn’t bode well for the rest of your theories !!

[Stiddle Mump]

5 minutes ago, Andrew Dwyer said:

If you cannot figure out CJ in Chiang Rai then it doesn’t bode well for the rest of your theories !!

Thanks for that Andy Bud.

 

Would be good to have your savvy.