6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Yes, there was a trial on that subject at the ICC and Israel didn't get found to be committing genocide 

What's that got to do with accusations that Israel is commiting genocide are anti-Semitic?

20 hours ago, Rimmer said:

As far as I know the only picture of a homicidal gas chamber is the small seldom used one in Auschwitz 1 stammlager  

 

That's not a gas chamber. It's an oven, hence the oversized chimney.

The ones who deny it are usually the ones who want to do it again. 

On 7/14/2025 at 4:09 AM, Social Media said:

 

Polish Far-Right Politician Under Fire for Denying Auschwitz Gas Chambers

 

Polish prosecutors have opened a preliminary investigation into Grzegorz Braun, a far-right member of the European Parliament, after he publicly claimed that the gas chambers at Auschwitz were a "fake." His controversial statement has provoked outrage across Poland and beyond, reigniting concerns about antisemitism and Holocaust denial among nationalist figures.

 

Braun made the incendiary remarks during an interview on Poland’s Wnet radio, where he stated, “ritual murder is a fact, and such a thing as Auschwitz with its gas chambers is unfortunately a fake,” according to Polish news agency PAP. The interview was immediately cut short by the reporter.

 

The statement drew immediate condemnation. Piotr Cywinski, director of the Auschwitz-Birkenau Memorial and Museum, announced plans to file a formal complaint, saying, “Denying the fact that gas chambers existed is not only a manifestation of anti-Semitism and an ideology of hatred; in Poland it is also a crime.” Under Polish law, denying Nazi crimes is a prosecutable offense.

 

A spokesperson for the Warsaw district prosecutor's office, Piotr Antoni Skiba, confirmed that authorities had launched a preliminary investigation into Braun’s comments. This move signals that the government is taking the issue seriously, amid fears that such rhetoric threatens Poland’s international reputation and historical accountability.

 

Braun has a history of inflammatory behavior. In 2023, he extinguished Hanukkah candles in the Polish parliament using a fire extinguisher during a national commemoration, an act widely condemned as antisemitic. He also ran for president earlier this year and captured over 6% of the vote in the first round, raising concerns about the traction of far-right ideologies among parts of the electorate.

 

His recent remarks also referenced “ritual murder,” a long-debunked and dangerous conspiracy theory rooted in medieval Europe, which falsely accused Jews of killing Christian children for use in religious rituals. Historians universally reject the notion as baseless, and recognize it as a form of antisemitic propaganda.

 

Poland’s Prime Minister Donald Tusk condemned Braun’s statements, calling them “a disgrace.” He emphasized the need to safeguard Poland’s image, stating, “we must do everything so that no one in the world associates Poland with such people, such faces and such actions.”

 

Braun’s actions weren’t limited to rhetoric. On the same day his radio interview aired, he appeared in the northeastern town of Jedwabne, where he and a group attempted to block the departure of cars carrying participants in a ceremony marking the 1941 massacre of Jews by Polish neighbors under Nazi occupation. Among those delayed was Poland’s chief rabbi. Police had to intervene to clear the road.

 

The Auschwitz death camp, located in southern Poland under Nazi occupation during World War II, was the site of the industrial murder of approximately 1.1 million people—most of them Jews—using gas chambers. Others murdered there included Poles, Roma, Soviet POWs, and gay people.

 

As the world continues to combat Holocaust denial and antisemitism, Braun’s remarks are being seen not just as an isolated incident, but as part of a broader, troubling trend. Polish authorities, museum officials, and national leaders appear committed to holding him accountable.

 

  Adapted by ASEAN Now from ABC News  2025-07-14

 

 

WTF OMG

A decent intellect can convince itself of just about anything. But, that does not prevent the individual from appearing to be a grand fool to the world. Such delusion. 

 

I refuse to put on winter tires because:

• It’s my car, my choice, my freedom.

• The effectiveness of winter tires is not proven, except by studies carried out by the manufacturers (like I’m supposed to trust them).

• My neighbor Bob had an accident even after putting on winter tires.

• Some drivers are already on their 3rd set of tires, which proves their ineffectiveness.

• We do not know what the tires are made of.

• The tire manufacturers scare us with winter just to enrich themselves.

• In fact, I read on the internet that the tire giants invented snow and spread it at night when you sleep.

• If I have winter tires, the government can track me in the snow.

 

 

49 minutes ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

That's not a gas chamber. It's an oven, hence the oversized chimney.

It appears to be a gas chamber, with the poisonous gas openings at the top   This is a crematory picture.https://www.auschwitz.org/download/gfx/auschwitz/en/defaultgalerie/713/11/1/20080713_1373863659_krematorium_iv.jpg The chimney does make it look like an over. This link is the same picture. ............https://www.auschwitz.org/en/history/auschwitz-and-shoah/gas-chambers

28 minutes ago, MarkBR said:

WTF OMG

Somebody at least teach him to iron a shirt!

25 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

A decent intellect can convince itself of just about anything. But, that does not prevent the individual from appearing to be a grand fool to the world. Such delusion. 

 

I refuse to put on winter tires because:

• It’s my car, my choice, my freedom.

• The effectiveness of winter tires is not proven, except by studies carried out by the manufacturers (like I’m supposed to trust them).

• My neighbor Bob had an accident even after putting on winter tires.

• Some drivers are already on their 3rd set of tires, which proves their ineffectiveness.

• We do not know what the tires are made of.

• The tire manufacturers scare us with winter just to enrich themselves.

• In fact, I read on the internet that the tire giants invented snow and spread it at night when you sleep.

• If I have winter tires, the government can track me in the snow.

 

 

I can't find winter tyres for my Yamaha Spark anywhere here in Thailand - most perplexing! 

33 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

It appears to be a gas chamber

No it is not. I visited Belsen in the early 70's, no different to Auschwitz, when I was stationed in the military at Hohne, the military camp nextdoor. On my visit to Belsen they were still constructing the place to become a museum. I don't believe it. It's all a load of political tosh. 

Just now, IvorBiggun2 said:

No it is not. I visited Belsen in the early 70's, no different to Auschwitz, when I was stationed at in the military at Hohne, the military camp nextdoor. On my visit to Belsen they were still constructing the place to become a museum. I don't believe it. It's all a load of political tosh. 

You don't believe the Holocaust happened or that it's not a picture of a gas chamber, as Rimmer noted and the link shows?

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

You don't believe the Holocaust happened or that it's not a picture of a gas chamber, as Rimmer noted and the link shows?

Both. You see what they want you to see. No more, no less.

Just now, IvorBiggun2 said:

Both. You see what they want you to see. No more, no less.

I know what the truth is, as I've heard it firsthand. There will always be Nazis and those that follow their thinking, as there will always be white supremacists, and sadly, more are taught that every day. Millions of descendants of those that were persecuted and killed aren't all liars. 

2 hours ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

 

That's not a gas chamber. It's an oven, hence the oversized chimney.

 

The picture is of the combined homicidal gas chamber and krema situated on the main camp at Auschwitz 1

Inside is a small crematorium and a homicidal gas chamber, picture attached, also see the descriptive layout diagram.  

 

 

 

  

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

A decent intellect can convince itself of just about anything. But, that does not prevent the individual from appearing to be a grand fool to the world. Such delusion. 

 

I refuse to put on winter tires because:

• It’s my car, my choice, my freedom.

• The effectiveness of winter tires is not proven, except by studies carried out by the manufacturers (like I’m supposed to trust them).

• My neighbor Bob had an accident even after putting on winter tires.

• Some drivers are already on their 3rd set of tires, which proves their ineffectiveness.

• We do not know what the tires are made of.

• The tire manufacturers scare us with winter just to enrich themselves.

• In fact, I read on the internet that the tire giants invented snow and spread it at night when you sleep.

• If I have winter tires, the government can track me in the snow.

 

 

 

Are you plagiarizing other people’s work? 

1 hour ago, IvorBiggun2 said:

No it is not. I visited Belsen in the early 70's, no different to Auschwitz, when I was stationed in the military at Hohne, the military camp nextdoor. On my visit to Belsen they were still constructing the place to become a museum. I don't believe it. It's all a load of political tosh. 

I too visited Belsen in the 70s. There was at the time no museum, just some display boards which explained, in several languages, what happened there. Perhaps you should have played attention? It was very clear. The Officer or NCO in charge of your party should have explained it. Hohne, Soltau and Fallingbostel Garrisons had policies that newly arrived soldiers were to be taken to the site of the camp. There was a briefing pack which was supposed to be used. I know, I conductedseveral such tours. The Dutch troops stationed in the area did similar, after all, many of the victims (Anne Frank) were Dutch.

 

Bergen Belsen was a holding camp, a "concentration camp",  not an extermination camp, nor a labour camp. Very different to Auschwitz. As the borders of the Reich shrank, particularly in the east, prisoners were brought there and dumped. The huge numbers of deaths were from starvation, neglect and disease - notably typhus, together of course with wilful and deliberate neglect by the guards, several of whom were later hung after military trials  at Luneberg  for the savage part they played in the vile business.

 

Belsen was of course liberated by British Troops, it's liberation and the subsequent treatment and rehabilitation of it's prisoners is exceptionally well documented, filmed, written about and there is much eye witness testimony. I knew a girl whose father had been amongst the troops who found the place. 30 years on he was still having nightmares. 

 

You may of course choose not to believe it, but it does not reflect well on you; after all, Holocaust Denial can result from political beliefs, as in the case of this Polish fellow, or wilful ignorance.

 

13 hours ago, annotator said:

Given that only Jewish citizens of Israel are subject to the draft, and that the governmental officials in charge of the campaign in Gaza are Jewish, it happens to be the case that they are mostly Jewish. But the accusations are based on what they are doing, not that they happen to be Jewish.

 

What the IDF is doing in Gaza is necessary for the defense of Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews.  The IDF is fighting an enemy that has vowed to destroy Israel.  The accusations against the IDF and Israeli government are based  on their defense of their country and its citizens. The distinction between "Jew" and "Zionist" or "Israeli" is often only a semantic illusion to divert attention from underlying antisemitism..

 

13 hours ago, annotator said:

Bernard Madoff happened to be Jewish. Was denouncing him an act of anti-Semitism?

 

Madoff was an individual who pled guilty to 11 Federal  criminal charges relating to financial crimes.  Denouncing him for running the world's biggest Ponzi scheme is not in any way antisemitic.  Claiming his crimes supported genocide would have been antisemitic.

 

Same-same with the IDF.  Criticizing its strategies and  tactics is not inherently antisemitic, but attributing the IDF's actions to genocide is.

4 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

 

What the IDF is doing in Gaza is necessary for the defense of Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews. 

That's the kind of comment that anti-semites use to justify Jew hatred. If a Jewish person wants to consider Israel his homeland, that's his business.  And if he doesn't that's his business, too. Israel doesn't get to speak for world Jewry. Your statement just supports the anti-semitic belief that Jews outside of Israel have dual allegiances.

9 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

 

 

Same-same with the IDF.  Criticizing its strategies and  tactics is not inherently antisemitic, but attributing the IDF's actions to genocide is.

 You a mind reader or something?

13 hours ago, annotator said:

Given that only Jewish citizens of Israel are subject to the draft, and that the governmental officials in charge of the campaign in Gaza are Jewish, it happens to be the case that they are mostly Jewish. But the accusations are based on what they are doing, not that they happen to be Jewish.

Bernard Madoff happened to be Jewish. Was denouncing him an act of anti-Semitism?

The IDF has lots of Jews  but also Druze, Bedouin, Christians of several denominations , Zoroastrians  , and other denominations    even  some Muslims ....

3 minutes ago, liddelljohn said:

The IDF has lots of Jews  but also Druze, Bedouin, Christians of several denominations , Zoroastrians  , and other denominations    even  some Muslims ....

Lots of them? I looked it up. A total of 3.5 percent. 

On 7/14/2025 at 3:51 PM, Evil Penevil said:

accuses Jews of committing genocide in Gaza.

It is strange how they deny the genocide in Gaza happening currently but get all offended about something that was finished many decades ago.

Very hypocritical in my opinion. 
 

There is no denying the Holocaust and no denying the genocide

45 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

What the IDF is doing in Gaza is necessary for the defense of Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews

The IDF taking out Hamas is.

Killing and wounding tens of thousands of non Hamas Palestinian women and children is not necessary.

It is overkill. By a long way.

48 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

but attributing the IDF's actions to genocide is.

No it is not.

It is true under the definition of genocide. You can deny it all you like, it doesn’t change the facts. 
It is like saying the Holocaust wasnt anti semitism. It was.

1 hour ago, annotator said:

That's the kind of comment that anti-semites use to justify Jew hatred. If a Jewish person wants to consider Israel his homeland, that's his business.  And if he doesn't that's his business, too. Israel doesn't get to speak for world Jewry. Your statement just supports the anti-semitic belief that Jews outside of Israel have dual allegiances.

 

I'm sure antisemites do indeed hate Israel because it functions as both the homeland for and last refuge of the world's Jews.  Of the 15.8 million Jews in the world, 7.2 million live in Israel.   Another 6.3 million live in the U.S. and the remaining 2.3 million are spread across the globe.  Not all Jews acknowledge a relationship to Israel, but that doesn't change the fact that it is nevertheless the homeland of the world's Jews.  Every Jew has the right of return to Israel if they so choose.  And if antisemites take control of a country, the Jews who live there will be very happy Israel exists as a refuge.

 

If Israel had existed in 1939, millions of Jewish lives could have been saved.

 

58 minutes ago, annotator said:

 You a mind reader or something?

 

I don't need any skills in mind-reading to recognize antisemitism.  The words antisemites use give them away.

 

@annotator  Do you believe in the literal truth of The Protocols of the Elders of Zion?

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion

 

What is more ridiculous then claiming that the WWII holocaust was fake is filing criminal charges against people voicing their opinion that it was fake. Why not file criminal charges against flat-earthers.  These people are a minority and should be allow to express their opinion.
Those wishing to incarcerate these people will bang the drum that their views are antisemitic.  What I find more disturbing is that those who believe that jews were the sole target of genocide want to air-brush history themselves as they leave out the fact that Slavs, Roma, Russians, Poles, and other the Nazis labeled as Untermench were also imprisoned and used as force labor and indiscriminately subjected to genocide.

9 minutes ago, connda said:

What is more ridiculous then claiming that the WWII holocaust was fake is filing criminal charges against people voicing their opinion that it was fake. Why not file criminal charges against flat-earthers.  

 

  Many people have family members who died in the Holocaust .

No one died because of the Earth being flat/round

2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

Same-same with the IDF.  Criticizing its strategies and  tactics is not inherently antisemitic, but attributing the IDF's actions to genocide is.

No, nothing anti-Semitic about accusing the IDF of genocide.

10 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, nothing anti-Semitic about accusing the IDF of genocide.

 

   It is if you ignore all the other genuine genocides going on in the World 

On 7/15/2025 at 7:11 AM, annotator said:

Given that only Jewish citizens of Israel are subject to the draft, and that the governmental officials in charge of the campaign in Gaza are Jewish, it happens to be the case that they are mostly Jewish. But the accusations are based on what they are doing, not that they happen to be Jewish.

Bernard Madoff happened to be Jewish. Was denouncing him an act of anti-Semitism?

Quite a significant number of non Jews serve in the IDF. Some of their best infantry units are recruited from the Druze. Arab Christian and Muslim soldiers also serve alongside and integrated with Jewish soldiers. There are Arab and Druze officers, several have had distinguished careers.

5 minutes ago, JAG said:

Quite a significant number of non Jews serve in the IDF. Some of their best infantry units are recruited from the Druze. Arab Christian and Muslim soldiers also serve alongside and integrated with Jewish soldiers. There are Arab and Druze officers, several have had distinguished careers.

I wouldn't say that the Druze are recruited.

recruit

verb [ T or I ]

to persuade someone to work for a company or become a new member of an organization, especially the army:

Charities such as Oxfam are always trying to recruit volunteers to help in their work.

Even young boys are now being recruited into the army.

Having slimmed to around 1,400 staff, the company is now recruiting again.

an army recruiting center/officer

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/recruit

 

They're drafted and they constitute a big majority of non-Jewish IDF soldiers.