11 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

The major sticking point is your denial of viruses.

 

It's like claiming the sun rises in the north, and sets in the south.

 

Anyone who has used a scanning electron microscope has seen how there are viruses, identifiable by their morphology.

You probably didn't read my posts on another thread, but I was using electron microscopy quite a lot in the past. But, not for the last 30 years; I must add. Have things moved on in that time? Certainly computers, and computer software/programmes have gotten faster and more sophisticated. But the principles remain the same.

 

The electron microscope gives a dyed, two dimensional image, of an extremely thin slice of a concoction, that was once in a petri dish. To make head n tail of it, requires one to know what one is actually looking for. This brings us back to those two magic words 'isolation' and 'purification'. Without this everything else is quite un-scientific. And as you know Sir,  a virus - any virus - has never been isolated.

8 minutes ago, TheTightArseTraveller said:

Except with general medications they treat the minority with the illness (yes, sometimes ongoing) but with vaccines, the goldmine is you give it to EVERYONE that doesn’t even have the disease.  

48% of Americans have hypertension. 11% of them are diabetic, and 33% are prediabetic. Those figures don't look like a minority to me.

 

You clearly don't understand what vaccines are meant to achieve.

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

You probably didn't read my posts on another thread, but I was using electron microscopy quite a lot in the past. But, not for the last 30 years; I must add. Have things moved on in that time? Certainly computers, and computer software/programmes have gotten faster and more sophisticated. But the principles remain the same.

 

The electron microscope gives a dyed, two dimensional image, of an extremely thin slice of a concoction, that was once in a petri dish. To make head n tail of it, requires one to know what one is actually looking for. This brings us back to those two magic words 'isolation' and 'purification'. Without this everything else is quite un-scientific. And as you know Sir,  a virus - any virus - has never been isolated.

Coronavirus is clearly distinguished from flu virus in an SEM.

7 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I have had 4 different types of cancer. Apparently 5 is the record. Nature had no answers for them, modern medicine did.

 

Cancer cells are immortal. The telomeres that compel normal cells to die are deactivated.

 

Cancers can be put into remission by surgery, immunotherapy, chemotherapy, and radiation. I have had three out of four. No doctor ever says a cancer is cured.

 

The gold standard for cancer detection is a CAT scan with radioactive sugar. Cancer cells take up sugar far faster than normal cells.

 

If you don't believe in the evidence of a scanning electron microscope, what chance does a CAT scan have?

 

As I have said many times; 'prevention' is the key. Also early recognition - early detection - of the problem. What is/are, and where is/are, the toxin(s), that is/are causing the cancer coming from.

 

Give the body what it needs to fight the toxcity. Through diet and other factors. 

 

I did write a piece on cancer some time ago on AN. What to do if cancer is diagnosed?

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Coronavirus is clearly distinguished from flu virus in an SEM.

Oh no it isn't Sir.

 

That's monumental hogwash.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Oh no it isn't Sir.

 

That's monumental hogwash.

 

37 minutes ago, transam said:

Not so, you forgot hereditary stuff.....🤗

Hereditary stuff,,,,,. Eh!

 

What I'd be looking at is the medication the parents were on before conception. And, vitally important, what the mum was up to recreationally, environmentally and medically, for the following 9 months.

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Point me to a paper that shows where a virus exists, and this nonsense might make some sense.

My parents agreed to me being vaccinated as a baby and further into junior school. I was not given a choice. In school it was, "Join the queue and roll up your shirtsleeve."  I got none of the childhood diseases except for chickenpox. The polio vaccine was given dropped on a cube of sugar. It was great!

If vaccines killed up to 30% of those vaccinated, I would understand if people said no. But they don't.

 

1 minute ago, Purdey said:

My parents agreed to me being vaccinated as a baby and further into junior school. I was not given a choice. In school it was, "Join the queue and roll up your shirtsleeve."  I got none of the childhood diseases except for chickenpox. The polio vaccine was given dropped on a cube of sugar. It was great!

If vaccines killed up to 30% of those vaccinated, I would understand if people said no. But they don't.

Good you are well Sir.

 

There are no such things as 'childhood diseases'.

3 minutes ago, Purdey said:

My parents agreed to me being vaccinated as a baby and further into junior school. I was not given a choice. In school it was, "Join the queue and roll up your shirtsleeve."  I got none of the childhood diseases except for chickenpox. The polio vaccine was given dropped on a cube of sugar. It was great!

If vaccines killed up to 30% of those vaccinated, I would understand if people said no. But they don't.

 

Try not to use reasoned argument & facts with certain people.   It does not work & has no effect on weirdness.   You waste your time & energy to no effect.

18 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Coronavirus is clearly distinguished from flu virus in an SEM.

Agreed, and many viruses apart from COVID coranavirus have been photographed imaged using skillful electron microscopy techniques.   No possibility of arguing coherently with some in the conspiracy world

19 hours ago, TheTightArseTraveller said:

So you cant read a medical paper from pubmed?  The BIGGEST library of published medical studies on the net?  OK

Do you have a specialty in non-sequiturs?

15 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Point me to a paper that shows where a virus exists, and this nonsense might make some sense.

Here are 10 recent research papers or review articles (2023–2025) that provide the strongest virological evidence and investigative methods showing viruses are physical entities—particularly through direct visualization, structural analysis, culture, or imaging:

 

---

 

🧪 1. 

Electron Tomography as a Tool to Study SARS‑CoV‑2 Morphology

 (Nov 2024)

 

A review using transmission electron microscopy (TEM) and electron tomography (ET) to visualize SARS‑CoV‑2 particles within infected cells, revealing detailed virus morphology and replication stages. 

 

---

 

🧬 2. 

Cryo‑electron microscopy in the fight against COVID‑19—mechanism of virus entry

 (2023–2024)

 

Describes cryo‑EM and cryo‑ET structures of viral proteins (e.g. spike, nonstructural proteins) inside host cells, showing virus assembly and entry. 

 

---

 

🔍 3. 

Recent advances in infectious disease research using cryo‑electron tomography

 (published Jan 2024)

 

This review highlights how in situ cryo‑ET captures viruses—like influenza, Ebola, SARS‑CoV‑2—as they infect cells, proving their tangible structure. ()

 

---

 

🔬 4. 

Virus structures revealed by advanced cryoelectron microscopy methods

 (2023 review)

 

Examines high-resolution cryo‑EM of numerous viruses, detailing atomic-level reconstructions of viral capsids and virions. 

 

---

 

🖼️ 5. 

Advancing Virus Discovery and Identification Through Electron Microscopy

 (2024)

 

Describes TEM in outbreak investigations, showing how viruses like SARS‑CoV‑2 or monkeypox were imaged directly during real-world outbreaks. ()

 

---

 

🤖 6. 

Heterogeneous virus classification using … deep learning based on TEM images

 (May 2024, preprint)

 

A deep-learning system that classifies 14 virus types from TEM images with ~97% accuracy—emphasizing viruses have distinctive, visualizable morphology. 

 

---

 

🧠 7. 

Microsecond Time‑Resolved Cryo‑Electron Microscopy

 (Feb 2024 review)

 

Illustrates dynamic imaging of virus capsid conformational changes (e.g. plant virus CCMV), proving viruses are real structures with motion. 

 

---

 

🧫 8. 

Rapid and stain‑free quantification of viral plaque via lens‑free holography and deep learning

 (2022)

 

Though older, this method uses live virus plaques in cell cultures—not just sequencing—to show infectious particles visibly replicating. ()

 

---

 

🔍 9. 

In Situ Imaging of Virus‑Infected Cells by Cryo‑Electron Tomography: An Overview

 (Subcell Biochem 2023/2024)

 

Provides standardized protocols and case studies imaging virus-host interactions, directly visualizing virions at different infection stages. ()

 

---

 

🚀 10. 

Structural biology of SARS‑CoV‑2

 (2024 review)

 

Summarizes atomic-resolution cryo-EM models of SARS‑CoV‑2 proteins (spike, replication complexes), derived from purified virus particles and infected cells. 

 

---

 

🧭 Summary

 

These studies use direct microscopy (TEM, cryo-EM, cryo-ET), viral culture, and machine-learning classification of images to demonstrate that viruses:

 

• Have distinct structure and morphology.

• Infect and assemble within cells.

• Can be isolated, imaged, and analyzed physically—not just detected genetically.

 

Let me know if you’d like direct links to any of these papers, or a curated reading order based on your interest in techniques versus applications.

13 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Good you are well Sir.

 

There are no such things as 'childhood diseases'.

Panner's disease, Osgood -Schlatter disease, Kawasaki disease, juvenile idiopathic arthritis and West syndrome do not occur in adults.

5 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Here are 10 recent research papers or review articles (2023–2025) that provide the strongest virological evidence and investigative methods showing viruses are physical entities—particularly through direct visualization, structural analysis, culture, or imaging:

 

---

 

🧪 1. 

Electron Tomography as a Tool to Study SARS‑CoV‑2 Morphology

 (Nov 2024)

 

A review using transmission electron microscopy (TEM) and electron tomography (ET) to visualize SARS‑CoV‑2 particles within infected cells, revealing detailed virus morphology and replication stages. 

 

---

 

🧬 2. 

Cryo‑electron microscopy in the fight against COVID‑19—mechanism of virus entry

 (2023–2024)

 

Describes cryo‑EM and cryo‑ET structures of viral proteins (e.g. spike, nonstructural proteins) inside host cells, showing virus assembly and entry. 

 

---

 

🔍 3. 

Recent advances in infectious disease research using cryo‑electron tomography

 (published Jan 2024)

 

This review highlights how in situ cryo‑ET captures viruses—like influenza, Ebola, SARS‑CoV‑2—as they infect cells, proving their tangible structure. ()

 

---

 

🔬 4. 

Virus structures revealed by advanced cryoelectron microscopy methods

 (2023 review)

 

Examines high-resolution cryo‑EM of numerous viruses, detailing atomic-level reconstructions of viral capsids and virions. 

 

---

 

🖼️ 5. 

Advancing Virus Discovery and Identification Through Electron Microscopy

 (2024)

 

Describes TEM in outbreak investigations, showing how viruses like SARS‑CoV‑2 or monkeypox were imaged directly during real-world outbreaks. ()

 

---

 

🤖 6. 

Heterogeneous virus classification using … deep learning based on TEM images

 (May 2024, preprint)

 

A deep-learning system that classifies 14 virus types from TEM images with ~97% accuracy—emphasizing viruses have distinctive, visualizable morphology. 

 

---

 

🧠 7. 

Microsecond Time‑Resolved Cryo‑Electron Microscopy

 (Feb 2024 review)

 

Illustrates dynamic imaging of virus capsid conformational changes (e.g. plant virus CCMV), proving viruses are real structures with motion. 

 

---

 

🧫 8. 

Rapid and stain‑free quantification of viral plaque via lens‑free holography and deep learning

 (2022)

 

Though older, this method uses live virus plaques in cell cultures—not just sequencing—to show infectious particles visibly replicating. ()

 

---

 

🔍 9. 

In Situ Imaging of Virus‑Infected Cells by Cryo‑Electron Tomography: An Overview

 (Subcell Biochem 2023/2024)

 

Provides standardized protocols and case studies imaging virus-host interactions, directly visualizing virions at different infection stages. ()

 

---

 

🚀 10. 

Structural biology of SARS‑CoV‑2

 (2024 review)

 

Summarizes atomic-resolution cryo-EM models of SARS‑CoV‑2 proteins (spike, replication complexes), derived from purified virus particles and infected cells. 

 

---

 

🧭 Summary

 

These studies use direct microscopy (TEM, cryo-EM, cryo-ET), viral culture, and machine-learning classification of images to demonstrate that viruses:

 

• Have distinct structure and morphology.

• Infect and assemble within cells.

• Can be isolated, imaged, and analyzed physically—not just detected genetically.

 

Let me know if you’d like direct links to any of these papers, or a curated reading order based on your interest in techniques versus applications.

You are wasting your time with a poster who is batsh!t crazy.

8 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Here are 10 recent research papers or review articles (2023–2025) that provide the strongest virological evidence and investigative methods showing viruses are physical entities—particularly through direct visualization, structural analysis, culture, or imaging:

 

---

 

🧪 1. 

Electron Tomography as a Tool to Study SARS‑CoV‑2 Morphology

 (Nov 2024)

 

A review using transmission electron microscopy (TEM) and electron tomography (ET) to visualize SARS‑CoV‑2 particles within infected cells, revealing detailed virus morphology and replication stages. 

 

---

 

🧬 2. 

Cryo‑electron microscopy in the fight against COVID‑19—mechanism of virus entry

 (2023–2024)

 

Describes cryo‑EM and cryo‑ET structures of viral proteins (e.g. spike, nonstructural proteins) inside host cells, showing virus assembly and entry. 

 

---

 

🔍 3. 

Recent advances in infectious disease research using cryo‑electron tomography

 (published Jan 2024)

 

This review highlights how in situ cryo‑ET captures viruses—like influenza, Ebola, SARS‑CoV‑2—as they infect cells, proving their tangible structure. ()

 

---

 

🔬 4. 

Virus structures revealed by advanced cryoelectron microscopy methods

 (2023 review)

 

Examines high-resolution cryo‑EM of numerous viruses, detailing atomic-level reconstructions of viral capsids and virions. 

 

---

 

🖼️ 5. 

Advancing Virus Discovery and Identification Through Electron Microscopy

 (2024)

 

Describes TEM in outbreak investigations, showing how viruses like SARS‑CoV‑2 or monkeypox were imaged directly during real-world outbreaks. ()

 

---

 

🤖 6. 

Heterogeneous virus classification using … deep learning based on TEM images

 (May 2024, preprint)

 

A deep-learning system that classifies 14 virus types from TEM images with ~97% accuracy—emphasizing viruses have distinctive, visualizable morphology. 

 

---

 

🧠 7. 

Microsecond Time‑Resolved Cryo‑Electron Microscopy

 (Feb 2024 review)

 

Illustrates dynamic imaging of virus capsid conformational changes (e.g. plant virus CCMV), proving viruses are real structures with motion. 

 

---

 

🧫 8. 

Rapid and stain‑free quantification of viral plaque via lens‑free holography and deep learning

 (2022)

 

Though older, this method uses live virus plaques in cell cultures—not just sequencing—to show infectious particles visibly replicating. ()

 

---

 

🔍 9. 

In Situ Imaging of Virus‑Infected Cells by Cryo‑Electron Tomography: An Overview

 (Subcell Biochem 2023/2024)

 

Provides standardized protocols and case studies imaging virus-host interactions, directly visualizing virions at different infection stages. ()

 

---

 

🚀 10. 

Structural biology of SARS‑CoV‑2

 (2024 review)

 

Summarizes atomic-resolution cryo-EM models of SARS‑CoV‑2 proteins (spike, replication complexes), derived from purified virus particles and infected cells. 

 

---

 

🧭 Summary

 

These studies use direct microscopy (TEM, cryo-EM, cryo-ET), viral culture, and machine-learning classification of images to demonstrate that viruses:

 

• Have distinct structure and morphology.

• Infect and assemble within cells.

• Can be isolated, imaged, and analyzed physically—not just detected genetically.

 

Let me know if you’d like direct links to any of these papers, or a curated reading order based on your interest in techniques versus applications.

Not one of the instances is it shown that a virus has been found, isolated and purified. Have to do that before anything else.

 

The above is anti-scientist quackery working at his computer, and simply making assumptions.

Just now, Stiddle Mump said:

Not one of the instances is it shown that a virus has been found, isolated and purified. Have to do that before anything else.

 

The above is anti-scientist quacker working at his computer, and simply making assumptions.

 

You are certifiable.

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Panner's disease, Osgood -Schlatter disease, Kawasaki disease, juvenile idiopathic arthritis and West syndrome do not occur in adults.

They are not diseases Sir.

 

Names given to symptoms.

1 minute ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Not one of the instances is it shown that a virus has been found, isolated and purified. Have to do that before anything else.

 

The above is anti-scientist quacker working at his computer, and simply making assumptions.

That’s a common claim from virus denialists, but it’s factually incorrect.

 

Here’s a clear and concise breakdown of how viruses have been found, isolated, purified, and shown to exist—with examples and scientific methods that meet rigorous standards.

 

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✅ 

1. Viruses have been isolated and purified

 

Example: SARS-CoV-2

 

• Isolation: In early 2020, SARS-CoV-2 was isolated from patient samples, grown in Vero E6 cells (a standard monkey kidney cell line), and shown to cause cytopathic effects (visible damage) in culture.

• Purification: Viral particles were purified via density gradient centrifugation (e.g., sucrose or cesium chloride), separating intact virions from other materials.

• Visualization: Purified virus was imaged using transmission electron microscopy (TEM), revealing consistent coronavirus morphology.

 

📄 Zhu et al., 2020 – “A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China, 2019”, NEJM.

Link to paper

 

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✅ 

2. Koch’s Postulates (modified for viruses) have been fulfilled

 

Original Koch’s postulates were adapted for viruses by Rivers (1937) because viruses cannot grow on agar plates like bacteria. For SARS-CoV-2:

 

• The virus was found in sick individuals.

• It was isolated and cultured in host cells.

• It caused disease in animal models (e.g. macaques).

• The same virus was re-isolated and identified in the infected animals.

 

📄 Rockx et al., 2020 – “Comparative pathogenesis of COVID-19, MERS and SARS in a nonhuman primate model”, Nature

Link to paper

 

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✅ 

3. Direct Physical Evidence Exists

 

• Cryo-electron microscopy and cryo-electron tomography allow us to image viruses inside and outside of cells at near-atomic resolution.

• Mass spectrometry of purified particles identifies viral proteins.

• RNA sequencing from purified virus shows the full viral genome.

 

📄 Ke et al., 2020 – “Structures and distributions of SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins on intact virions”, Nature

Link to paper

 

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❌ Rebutting Common Misconceptions

Claim	Why it’s wrong
“Viruses have never been isolated”	They have, using standard virology protocols (centrifugation, filtration, culture).
“They just use computer models”	Virus particles are imaged directly by EM, and proteins/RNA sequenced from purified virus.
“They never separate viruses from cells”	Purification protocols (e.g., sucrose gradients) are specifically designed to do this.

 

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🧪 Bonus: Historical Example – Tobacco Mosaic Virus

 

• First virus ever crystallized and imaged (1935).

• Still infectious in crystalline form.

• Electron microscopy confirmed its rod-shaped particles.

 

📄 Wendell Stanley’s Nobel-winning work (1946).

 

---

 

🔚 Conclusion:

 

Saying “viruses have never been isolated or purified” is demonstrably false. The evidence includes:

 

• Culturing virus in host cells

• Purifying them via centrifugation

• Imaging particles via EM

• Sequencing viral genomes from isolated material

• Demonstrating infectivity in controlled animal studies

 

If you’d like, I can give a step-by-step lab protocol used for virus isolation or link more peer-reviewed studies.

21 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

Hereditary stuff,,,,,. Eh!

 

What I'd be looking at is the medication the parents were on before conception. And, vitally important, what the mum was up to recreationally, environmentally and medically, for the following 9 months.

🤣.......My mum and dad we were born in the early 1920's......🤣

 

They were being having all sorts of medication thrown at them.......🤣

 

As were their parents, born in the 1800's...........🤣

 

Strange that they and me had the same medical issues, confirmed by the medical profession as hereditary and not a quack forum nutter...😆

There is also accumulating evidence of viral infections being involved in dementia in old people.   Another active area of research.

19 hours ago, novanova said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Kory

 

OP, you have been scammed by a conman and a liar.

 

It's time to evaluate the facts and change your mind.

Wikipedia. The bastion of truth. Run by left wing basement dwellers that wear masks alone in their positive pressure rooms that don’t see the light of day. 

 

while they aren’t “creating” articles, they are faeces finger painting their shower walls. 
 

 

10 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

That’s a common claim from virus denialists, but it’s factually incorrect.

 

Here’s a clear and concise breakdown of how viruses have been found, isolated, purified, and shown to exist—with examples and scientific methods that meet rigorous standards.

 

---

 

✅ 

1. Viruses have been isolated and purified

 

Example: SARS-CoV-2

 

• Isolation: In early 2020, SARS-CoV-2 was isolated from patient samples, grown in Vero E6 cells (a standard monkey kidney cell line), and shown to cause cytopathic effects (visible damage) in culture.

• Purification: Viral particles were purified via density gradient centrifugation (e.g., sucrose or cesium chloride), separating intact virions from other materials.

• Visualization: Purified virus was imaged using transmission electron microscopy (TEM), revealing consistent coronavirus morphology.

 

📄 Zhu et al., 2020 – “A Novel Coronavirus from Patients with Pneumonia in China, 2019”, NEJM.

Link to paper

 

---

 

✅ 

2. Koch’s Postulates (modified for viruses) have been fulfilled

 

Original Koch’s postulates were adapted for viruses by Rivers (1937) because viruses cannot grow on agar plates like bacteria. For SARS-CoV-2:

 

• The virus was found in sick individuals.

• It was isolated and cultured in host cells.

• It caused disease in animal models (e.g. macaques).

• The same virus was re-isolated and identified in the infected animals.

 

📄 Rockx et al., 2020 – “Comparative pathogenesis of COVID-19, MERS and SARS in a nonhuman primate model”, Nature

Link to paper

 

---

 

✅ 

3. Direct Physical Evidence Exists

 

• Cryo-electron microscopy and cryo-electron tomography allow us to image viruses inside and outside of cells at near-atomic resolution.

• Mass spectrometry of purified particles identifies viral proteins.

• RNA sequencing from purified virus shows the full viral genome.

 

📄 Ke et al., 2020 – “Structures and distributions of SARS-CoV-2 spike proteins on intact virions”, Nature

Link to paper

 

---

 

❌ Rebutting Common Misconceptions

Claim	Why it’s wrong
“Viruses have never been isolated”	They have, using standard virology protocols (centrifugation, filtration, culture).
“They just use computer models”	Virus particles are imaged directly by EM, and proteins/RNA sequenced from purified virus.
“They never separate viruses from cells”	Purification protocols (e.g., sucrose gradients) are specifically designed to do this.

 

---

 

🧪 Bonus: Historical Example – Tobacco Mosaic Virus

 

• First virus ever crystallized and imaged (1935).

• Still infectious in crystalline form.

• Electron microscopy confirmed its rod-shaped particles.

 

📄 Wendell Stanley’s Nobel-winning work (1946).

 

---

 

🔚 Conclusion:

 

Saying “viruses have never been isolated or purified” is demonstrably false. The evidence includes:

 

• Culturing virus in host cells

• Purifying them via centrifugation

• Imaging particles via EM

• Sequencing viral genomes from isolated material

• Demonstrating infectivity in controlled animal studies

 

If you’d like, I can give a step-by-step lab protocol used for virus isolation or link more peer-reviewed studies.

I'd go immediately to the methodology on these sturies/experiments. How did they find, isolate and purify the virus? If they have done that then I'm very interested.

 

Not yet seen it. And interestingly!? Where is the control? The experiment that runs alongside, but without the snot/mucus/juice?

Dr. Kory is anti-vaccine as they come...

He espouses conspiracy theories that public-health agencies are deliberately hiding vaccine-related infant deaths and systematic suppression by “They” - a hallmark of anti-vax rhetoric....

 

 

His regurgitated claims are called out in this article. 

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaxxers-resurrect-the-false-claim-that-vaccines-cause-sids

19 minutes ago, transam said:

🤣.......My mum and dad we were born in the early 1920's......🤣

 

They were being having all sorts of medication thrown at them.......🤣

 

As were their parents, born in the 1800's...........🤣

 

Strange that they and me had the same medical issues, confirmed by the medical profession as hereditary and not a quack forum nutter...😆

Of course some things are hereditary. don't deny that. Build, looks possibly memory even. 

 

But where health is concerned I'd look no further that vaccines and medications.

2 hours ago, Stiddle Mump said:

First paragraph is true enough. She had the problem of Keratoconus when I met her. The damage was done when she was younger. Eye problems take a long while to sort out if the eye is damaged.

 

With most problems, an understanding of prevention is better than any cure. And early intervention is vital before more serious complications set in.

 

Nature has the answers we seek.

Tell me why I had a detached retina appear overnight, what cased it........?

3 minutes ago, Stiddle Mump said:

I'd go immediately to the methodology on these sturies/experiments. How did they find, isolate and purify the virus. If they have done that then I'm very interested.

 

Not yet seen it. But interestingly!? Where is the control? The experiment that runs alongside, but without the snot/mucus/juice?

 

Whatevs.

1 minute ago, transam said:

Tell me why I had a detached retina appear overnight, what cased it........?

 

Does the missus hit you in the night?

 

Mine lays into me on a regular basis........my traumatic nightmares drive her mad.

4 minutes ago, transam said:

Tell me why I had a detached retina appear overnight, what cased it........?

 

Reading the utter bo!!ox posted in the 'off-the-beaten-path > Anti-Vax' threads would do it I reckon !!!!