8 minutes ago, hotsun said:

Youre not Jewish or female and I've only seen one other refer to people as subhuman so I know who you are

I’ve no idea what medicine you are taking.

 

I’ve searched to check your false claim.

 

https://aseannow.com/search/?&q=subhuman&page=2&quick=1&search_and_or=or&sortby=relevancy

4 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

That was their plan. They won.

They knew they couldn`t destroy Israel. Plus more and more Arab countries were going to normalize relations with them.

 

So they destroyed Israels reputation. Worldwide.

 

And it perfectly worked.

 

They don't care about Israeli or Gazan lives.

They were winning in 2024. Now with trump they aren't winning anymore.

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You anti Israelis do like mentioning Nazis .

You all seem to take an interest in children and Nazis and hating Jews

 

It is you, who fails to crosslink between Nazi politics and the one from the actual Israeli government.

 

This has nothing to do with hating Israel.

 

And even lesser than with hating Jews.

 

How can anyone hate Jews?

 

I fail to understand the concept.

 

In my world, that would be only possible if one would know ALL of them, have bad experiences with ALL of them and then decide, to hate them ALL.

 

Why would anybody hate a complete religion or race or whatever?

 

That`s just dumb.

 

Same as your accusation towards anybody criticizing Israel.

 

9 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

It's a pity that Hamas didn't have the foresight to see this was a distinctly possible reprisal for their ill-advised border incursion and the crimes they perpetrated.

What else could they do, they were locked in a tiny land area, oppressed, bombed regularly like Operation Shield and Arrow, May 2023, and for decades.

They tried diplomatic ways but the world ignored them.

9 minutes ago, Somjot said:

So they destroyed Israels reputation. Worldwide.

 

They've given Bibi's 'reputation' a hiding, that’s for sure.

 

But this "worldwide" destruction of Israel's rep?

 

Really?

 

The following is a list of nations that have cancelled Israel since their Gaza offensive.

 

 

Nothing to see here, move along now,

6 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

They've given Bibi's 'reputation' a hiding, that’s for sure.

 

But this "worldwide" destruction of Israel's rep?

 

Really?

 

The following is a list of nations that have cancelled Israel since their Gaza offensive.

 

 

Nothing to see here, move along now,

Buddy I was not talking about diplomatic relations, I was talking about reputation.

And that is on the lowest in Israel’s history.

Just to give you an example: have you ever read what the locals think and write about Israelis on social media?

Less than a few percent are writing anything positive or friendly and in most cases they are people with a Thai first name and a family name like Cohen or Goldstein or whatever.

12 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

Same as your accusation towards anybody criticizing Israel.

 

 

   I have made no such accusation 

14 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

It is you, who fails to crosslink between Nazi politics and the one from the actual Israeli government.

 

 

   That is regarded as being an Anti semitic comment .

Likening Israel to Nazis would get you expelled from numerous public places , removed from Political parties and sacked from your job .

   Even UKs anti sematic Labour party would expel you if you were a member for saying that 

12 minutes ago, ChristineC said:

What else could they do, they were locked in a tiny land area, oppressed, bombed regularly like Operation Shield and Arrow, May 2023, and for decades.

They tried diplomatic ways but the world ignored them.

 

<giggle>

 

2 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Buddy I was not talking about diplomatic relations, I was talking about reputation.

And that is on the lowest in Israel’s history.

Just to give you an example: have you ever read what the locals think and write about Israelis on social media?

Less than a few percent are writing anything positive or friendly and in most cases they are people with a Thai first name and a family name like Cohen or Goldstein or whatever.

 

I'm not your buddy.

 

Since when has the average Thai person's opinion on social media been something of significance? Having said that, the locals do have a genuine gripe about some Israeli's, but that's got a lot more to do with the bad behaviour of some Israeli tourists in Thailand than their offensive in Gaza.

 

Sounds like maybe you have issues with people with "a family name like Cohen or Goldstein or whatever"?

 

 

28 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Maybe because far right Jewish extremism is how most of us Americans feel. You dont have to be Jewish to enjoy a Hebrew National All beef Kosher Frank. Our interests are the same as Israels and if they arent, we will let them know. But a lot of us are very happy to see the IDF handing out punishment to our enemies who danced in the streets when our people were killed, and maimed so many of our soldiers, and murdered our citizens, and held them hostage.

 

So if Israel levels Gaza, thats fine.

 

Regardless, you are just a jew hating anti american troll.  I bet that you were some other neo national socialist that got banned, so see you later, troll.

OK, assuming you are American and Jewish then I understand your conflict of interest.

But I doubt that most of US Americans are siding with far right Jewish extremism.

Less than 2.4% of Americans are Jewish.

Yet 98% of candidates who won their general elections are AIPAC backed

24 candidates who refused to cooperate with AIPAC were actively defeated by them.

Let's assume for a second that unconditional support for Israel is best for the US, (although I doubt it as all Israel did for the US was having them fight their wars for them in the last quarter century, resulting in Thousands of American lives lost.)

But how do you know that being pro Israel does automatically lead to being the best candidate when it comes to domestic policy and serving the people?

And I'm talking about all Americans and not only 2.4% of them.

Why would I allow a Lobby institution from a foreign country or at least only serving the interests of a foreign country to decide, who will be sitting in my government?

Once Americans start to ask themselves this question, things might change rapidly.

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   That is regarded as being an Anti semitic comment .

 

Sure, by those who support genocide in Gaza and the mass slaughtering of children and try to label any critics as anti-semitic, as they have no valid arguments.

 

Again, Anti Netanyahu and his far right government is not anti-semitic.

 

Same as being Anti Trump is not Anti-Christian

 

 

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Likening Israel to Nazis would get you expelled from numerous public places , removed from Political parties and sacked from your job .

   Even UKs anti sematic Labour party would expel you if you were a member for saying that 

 

And yet so many important people worldwide have said similar things, so a nobody like me will not have to fear much.

7 minutes ago, Somjot said:

OK, assuming you are American and Jewish then I understand your conflict of interest.

But I doubt that most of US Americans are siding with far right Jewish extremism.

Less than 2.4% of Americans are Jewish.

Yet 98% of candidates who won their general elections are AIPAC backed

24 candidates who refused to cooperate with AIPAC were actively defeated by them.

Let's assume for a second that unconditional support for Israel is best for the US, (although I doubt it as all Israel did for the US was having them fight their wars for them in the last quarter century, resulting in Thousands of American lives lost.)

But how do you know that being pro Israel does automatically lead to being the best candidate when it comes to domestic policy and serving the people?

And I'm talking about all Americans and not only 2.4% of them.

Why would I allow a Lobby institution from a foreign country or at least only serving the interests of a foreign country to decide, who will be sitting in my government?

Once Americans start to ask themselves this question, things might change rapidly.

Americans are seeing what's happening to Europe, and are moving closer to Trump, especially young Americans 

1 minute ago, Somjot said:

 

Sure, by those who support genocide in Gaza and the mass slaughtering of children and try to label any critics as anti-semitic, as they have no valid arguments.

Again, Anti Netanyahu and his far right government is not anti-semitic.

Same as being Anti Trump is not Anti-Christian

 

Its the definition of anti semitism .

Likening Israel to Nazis is regarded as being Anti Semitic 

You have made an Anti semitic comment 

7 minutes ago, Somjot said:

OK, assuming you are American and Jewish then I understand your conflict of interest.

But I doubt that most of US Americans are siding with far right Jewish extremism.

Less than 2.4% of Americans are Jewish.

Yet 98% of candidates who won their general elections are AIPAC backed

24 candidates who refused to cooperate with AIPAC were actively defeated by them.

Let's assume for a second that unconditional support for Israel is best for the US, (although I doubt it as all Israel did for the US was having them fight their wars for them in the last quarter century, resulting in Thousands of American lives lost.)

But how do you know that being pro Israel does automatically lead to being the best candidate when it comes to domestic policy and serving the people?

And I'm talking about all Americans and not only 2.4% of them.

Why would I allow a Lobby institution from a foreign country or at least only serving the interests of a foreign country to decide, who will be sitting in my government?

Once Americans start to ask themselves this question, things might change rapidly.

All right, well you enjoy your infiltration Adolf, I personally am giving you no more attention because this is a useful forum and it makes no sense giving more attention to the disrepute you bring here. I suggest other like minded folks here just ignore your spews.

6 minutes ago, Somjot said:

And yet so many important people worldwide have said similar things, so a nobody like me will not have to fear much.

 

   Who are those important people ?

10 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

<giggle>

 

 

I'm not your buddy.

 

Your loss.

 

10 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Since when has the average Thai person's opinion on social media been something of significance? Having said that, the locals do have a genuine gripe about some Israeli's, but that's got a lot more to do with the bad behaviour of some Israeli tourists in Thailand than their offensive in Gaza.

 

Sounds like maybe you have issues with people with "a family name like Cohen or Goldstein or whatever"?

 

 

 

Let's not speak about your obviously racist opinion about our host country but if you would have read my post diligently you would have understood, that I was just giving an example.

 

So many people in so many countries on this planet share this opinion.

 

Nobody with a heart and a little compassion will support the mass slaughter of women and children no matter how many times they say: "this is all Hamas fault; if they wouldn't have attacked, those people wouldn't have been killed."

 

Sounds as logic as a foreigner having a car accident and despite clearly not being his fault the locals are  saying that it is his fault, because if he would have not spent his holiday in that place the accident would never have occurred.

 

And how my comment about the opinion of our host country towards Israel's actions and the very few supporting it having certain family names does lead you to the conclusion that I have issues with those family names, I do not dare to ask.

 

But seriously that's just beyond absurd

 

To cite myself:

 

38 minutes ago, Somjot said:

How can anyone hate Jews?

 

I fail to understand the concept.

 

In my world, that would be only possible if one would know ALL of them, have bad experiences with ALL of them and then decide, to hate them ALL.

 

Why would anybody hate a complete religion or race or whatever?

 

That`s just dumb.

 

 

 

15 minutes ago, Somjot said:

OK, assuming you are American and Jewish then I understand your conflict of interest.

But I doubt that most of US Americans are siding with far right Jewish extremism.

Less than 2.4% of Americans are Jewish.

Yet 98% of candidates who won their general elections are AIPAC backed

24 candidates who refused to cooperate with AIPAC were actively defeated by them.

Let's assume for a second that unconditional support for Israel is best for the US, (although I doubt it as all Israel did for the US was having them fight their wars for them in the last quarter century, resulting in Thousands of American lives lost.)

But how do you know that being pro Israel does automatically lead to being the best candidate when it comes to domestic policy and serving the people?

And I'm talking about all Americans and not only 2.4% of them.

Why would I allow a Lobby institution from a foreign country or at least only serving the interests of a foreign country to decide, who will be sitting in my government?

Once Americans start to ask themselves this question, things might change rapidly.

 

28 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

That was their plan. They won.

 

 

   ..............................congratulations to Hamas on their win

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Who are those important people ?

 

Recep Erdogan, Lula da Silva, Hugo Chavez, Gustavo Petro to name a few

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   ..............................congratulations to Hamas on their win

 

THAT is anti-semitic!

Just now, Somjot said:

 

THAT is anti-semitic!

 

   Why is that anti semitic ?

Supporting and even felicitating Hamas is not anti-semitic?

 

You really confuse me

 

What did I misread this time?

4 minutes ago, Somjot said:

, Hugo Chavez, 

 

   Hugo Chavez claimed that Israel's actions in Gaza are just like the Nazis ? 

Hugo Chavez died in 2013

Gaza war began in 2023 

2 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Supporting and even felicitating Hamas is not anti-semitic?

You really confuse me

What did I misread this time?

 

   Congratulating your opponent on there win, doesn't mean that you support them 

56 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

All right, well you enjoy your infiltration Adolf, I personally am giving you no more attention because this is a useful forum and it makes no sense giving more attention to the disrepute you bring here. I suggest other like minded folks here just ignore your spews.

I agree, this is a useful forum but let's be realistic, no matter how much and how intensely we discuss the Israel Gaza conflict it will not have the slightest effect on it.

 

And basically, we have here two different entrenched positions: one seems to be unconditionally for Israel while the other, to which I belong, is opposing Israel’s actions in Gaza.

 

I can speak only for myself, when I reveal the motives for my participation in this discussion:

 

Other than you and the likes of you would love to label me being anti Semitic or anti Jewish, this could not be further from the truth, and I think you know that.

 

You revealed yourself as a far-right American Jew, so it's only fair if I do the same:

 

I am German, was a bit of a leftist in my youth but age and experience brought me to the opposite side.

I think in the US you have this saying: if you are in your 20s and do not vote for the Democrats you have no heart. If you are in your 40s and still vote for the Democrats, you have no brain.

 

However, I grew up with the inherited guilt from the Third Reich, despite at that time even my grandparents were only teenagers, my parents not even born.

 

That's why I never really felt guilty, but I happily accepted the burden that it will be my forever duty to NEVER let anything like that happen AGAIN. EVER.

 

That is the reason for my opinion but not for my participation in here.

 

Because that burden came together with a question, somehow people forgot to ask these days:

 

WHY or better: How could this ever happen?

 

Reading all the arguments of those supporting Israel and justifying it`s mass murder in Gaza, and it is a mass murder and absolutely WRONG, no matter what, and observing their reactions to criticism taught me a lot and answered many questions, surely not all.

 

It definitely helped me to somehow come to terms with the darkest chapter of my country`s past, and to understand my grandparents’ and their parents’ generation.

 

But at least their generation suffered horribly from the developments after the Treaty of Versailles with all their devalued money being useless and no food and jobs leading to people starving and even dying from starvation, so in their desperation they turned to the wrong leader.

 

Despite being unforgivable but this might one day be seen as some kind of explanation for what happened or maybe even as an excuse.

 

The question is, what will be yours, when history judges you and asks you:

 

 “Where have you been, when they were burning children in Gaza?”

4 hours ago, Somjot said:

Not true.

 

1. It is still not clear, who fired that rocket, IDF or PIJ (Palestinian Islamic Jihad) but it was not Hamas.

 

2. 471 were killed and not 500 and it was people not particularly children.

 

 

When in doubt blame Israel and add the   numbers to the total casualty count and present it as caused by Israel.

4 minutes ago, Somjot said:

I agree, this is a useful forum but let's be realistic, no matter how much and how intensely we discuss the Israel Gaza conflict it will not have the slightest effect on it.

 

And basically, we have here two different entrenched positions: one seems to be unconditionally for Israel while the other, to which I belong, is opposing Israel’s actions in Gaza.

 

I can speak only for myself, when I reveal the motives for my participation in this discussion:

 

Other than you and the likes of you would love to label me being anti Semitic or anti Jewish, this could not be further from the truth, and I think you know that.

 

You revealed yourself as a far-right American Jew, so it's only fair if I do the same:

 

I am German, was a bit of a leftist in my youth but age and experience brought me to the opposite side.

I think in the US you have this saying: if you are in your 20s and do not vote for the Democrats you have no heart. If you are in your 40s and still vote for the Democrats, you have no brain.

 

However, I grew up with the inherited guilt from the Third Reich, despite at that time even my grandparents were only teenagers, my parents not even born.

 

That's why I never really felt guilty, but I happily accepted the burden that it will be my forever duty to NEVER let anything like that happen AGAIN. EVER.

 

That is the reason for my opinion but not for my participation in here.

 

Because that burden came together with a question, somehow people forgot to ask these days:

 

WHY or better: How could this ever happen?

 

Reading all the arguments of those supporting Israel and justifying it`s mass murder in Gaza, and it is a mass murder and absolutely WRONG, no matter what, and observing their reactions to criticism taught me a lot and answered many questions, surely not all.

 

It definitely helped me to somehow come to terms with the darkest chapter of my country`s past, and to understand my grandparents’ and their parents’ generation.

 

But at least their generation suffered horribly from the developments after the Treaty of Versailles with all their devalued money being useless and no food and jobs leading to people starving and even dying from starvation, so in their desperation they turned to the wrong leader.

 

Despite being unforgivable but this might one day be seen as some kind of explanation for what happened or maybe even as an excuse.

 

The question is, what will be yours, when history judges you and asks you:

 

 “Where have you been, when they were burning children in Gaza?”

 

So fervent. And yet, there is a  real genocide ongoing in Darfur, and you say and do notthinbg. Why is that?

Why so quiet on the  sectarian violence in  Syria as the  arab Sunni affiliated clans try and kill off Druze and drive out the   remaining Christians and Alawites. Hundreds have died in the past week, and not a word from you. Can we not get a wagging finger?

Hamas is the ultimate poster child for FAFO. My experience working abroad is that groups like Hamas only understand one thing, the hammer. They started this with the full understanding of what Israel would do. That being said, they also knew they would find millions of people who would completely forget Hamas' atrocities and side with them once their well oiled propaganda wing swung into action. Once Hamas propaganda takes hold in your mind, you won't fight your way towards what is right, you will fall into lock step with those others who are infected and overpowered through constant one sided reporting and short memories. FAFO is how the world keeps from falling into a constant state of war and chaos. Germany found out, as did Japan, Iran, Iraq, and a host of others. That's the short version. This is not an easy topic to tackle in short order. The blather from terrorist sympathizers is all very predictable, "what about the children, the bombed schools and hospitals?" etc etc. Children are nothing more than propaganda tools for Hamas and their immediate supporters in that region. Leveled schools, hospitals, and mosques? Don't store arms there, don't shoot missiles at Israeli civilians from hospitals and schools. Don't post snipers in minarets.  Simple. 

32 minutes ago, Somjot said:

I agree, this is a useful forum but let's be realistic, no matter how much and how intensely we discuss the Israel Gaza conflict it will not have the slightest effect on it.

 

And basically, we have here two different entrenched positions: one seems to be unconditionally for Israel while the other, to which I belong, is opposing Israel’s actions in Gaza.

 

I can speak only for myself, when I reveal the motives for my participation in this discussion:

 

Other than you and the likes of you would love to label me being anti Semitic or anti Jewish, this could not be further from the truth, and I think you know that.

 

You revealed yourself as a far-right American Jew, so it's only fair if I do the same:

 

I am German, was a bit of a leftist in my youth but age and experience brought me to the opposite side.

I think in the US you have this saying: if you are in your 20s and do not vote for the Democrats you have no heart. If you are in your 40s and still vote for the Democrats, you have no brain.

 

However, I grew up with the inherited guilt from the Third Reich, despite at that time even my grandparents were only teenagers, my parents not even born.

 

That's why I never really felt guilty, but I happily accepted the burden that it will be my forever duty to NEVER let anything like that happen AGAIN. EVER.

 

That is the reason for my opinion but not for my participation in here.

 

Because that burden came together with a question, somehow people forgot to ask these days:

 

WHY or better: How could this ever happen?

 

Reading all the arguments of those supporting Israel and justifying it`s mass murder in Gaza, and it is a mass murder and absolutely WRONG, no matter what, and observing their reactions to criticism taught me a lot and answered many questions, surely not all.

 

It definitely helped me to somehow come to terms with the darkest chapter of my country`s past, and to understand my grandparents’ and their parents’ generation.

 

But at least their generation suffered horribly from the developments after the Treaty of Versailles with all their devalued money being useless and no food and jobs leading to people starving and even dying from starvation, so in their desperation they turned to the wrong leader.

 

Despite being unforgivable but this might one day be seen as some kind of explanation for what happened or maybe even as an excuse.

 

The question is, what will be yours, when history judges you and asks you:

 

 “Where have you been, when they were burning children in Gaza?”

Thanks for that, I was brought up as a Catholic and even went to a girl’s school run by nuns, I sympathize with the Palestinians as they have been persecuted by Israel for decades and my father is Irish so I know what the IRA were all about. 

You are absolutely right, although I am not a practicing Catholic, I was taught a certain morality by those pious nuns.

We have to stand up to extremist jews like Yago and Nick and the other ones like Patong.and Hanaguman They might just see the atrocities that are happening like one child killed every 45 minutes since oct 7.  

I assume there are many here like Piers Morgan who was all for Israel but saw the light after the final solution was made clear. I pray for these people to change their minds but ass you said earlier, they are stuck in a quandry, to give unconditional support to their people or stand up for what is right. It’s sad that in the US free speech has been banned and they are all brainwash with Islamophobia after 9/11 etc, 

Bigots and those who support Ben Gvir, Smotrich, Netanyahu must be challenged.

28 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

So fervent. And yet, there is a  real genocide ongoing in Darfur, and you say and do notthinbg. Why is that?

Why so quiet on the  sectarian violence in  Syria as the  arab Sunni affiliated clans try and kill off Druze and drive out the   remaining Christians and Alawites. Hundreds have died in the past week, and not a word from you. Can we not get a wagging finger?

A hundred Gaza’s, including children were killed yesterday and many more today, you are deflecting, for obvious reason.