UK Keir Starmer told to end pensioner poverty as 2.8 million struggle on low incomes

[TedG]

Just now, newbee2022 said:

I have nothing to do with facts. I can't fake or change them, even I like them or not. 

Talk to you later if possible.

 

This makes no sense. 

[newbee2022]

2 minutes ago, TedG said:

 

This makes no sense. 

No?

Tell me, what you want to tell me with all your posts. Then I'll come back to you.

[TedG]

Just now, newbee2022 said:

No?

Tell me, what you want to tell me with all your posts. Then I'll come back to you.

You told me that I could not support what I posted.   Then I proceeded to prove you wrong. 

 

If you dislike my sources, consider finding one that you feel is reliable.  

[gearbox]

1 hour ago, dutch boy said:

HaHa, what a joke. Did you realize that almost 50% (49.50) of income over €76,817 is taxed in the Netherlands. What insane person would want that? Not me and I am Dutch. The Dutch are being ripped off by these taxes in the hopes of living long enough to get a pension. 

https://www.firstlinks.com.au/100-aussies-seven-charts-on-who-earns-pays-and-owns

 

"The ATO breaks it down further by ranking the 100 people by taxable income:

• The top 3 paid 29% of all net tax
• The next 6 paid 18% of all net tax
• The next 30 paid 40% of all net tax
• The next 35 paid 13% of all net tax
• The final 21 paid no tax"

Let me have a wild guess...that the whingers who complain all the time that the government doesn't give them more money are in the last 2 groups.

[DezLez]

32 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

I have nothing to do with facts.

You would if you based your posts on them for a change!

[The Cyclist]

24 minutes ago, gearbox said:

https://www.firstlinks.com.au/100-aussies-seven-charts-on-who-earns-pays-and-owns

 

"The ATO breaks it down further by ranking the 100 people by taxable income:

• The top 3 paid 29% of all net tax
• The next 6 paid 18% of all net tax
• The next 30 paid 40% of all net tax
• The next 35 paid 13% of all net tax
• The final 21 paid no tax"

Let me have a wild guess...that the whingers who complain all the time that the government doesn't give them more money are in the last 2 groups.

 

UK is much the same

 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

UK is much the same

 

 

And where are the tax breaks, tax giveaways, tax free wealth accumulation and tax avoidance concentrated?

[The Cyclist]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And where are the tax breaks, tax giveaways, tax free wealth accumulation and tax avoidance concentrated?

 

Hi Rachel from Customer complaints.

 

Let me spell it out for you, I'll try to use small words and keep it simple.

 

1. Despite the things that you list above. The Top 10% of earners still pay 50% of the annual income tax take.

 

2. When you chase these people away, due to punitive tax measures, they leave, just like they are doing now, in record numbers. When they move elsewhere. 50% of zero, is zero

 

3. This means you will have to increase borrowing, By around £160 Billion a year.

 

4. Add on the corresponding loss from National Insurance, Another £100 Billion a year

 

For the financially illiterate, that is an extra £260 Billion in annual borrowing.

 

Just as I advised you on another thread.

 

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More than 6,000 agriculture, forestry and fishing businesses shut over the past year since Labour’s October budget

 

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/farms-close-inheritance-tax-raid-jhsln07qw

 

Unemployment UP

 

Welfare UP

 

Government borrowing UP

 

Government debt Servicing costs UP

 

Labour, taking the UK back to 1976.

 

A budget for Growth Growth Growth, taking the UK Down Down Down

 

The difference laid bare between working in Customer Services, 6 Form Politics, rabble rousing for 14 years, and actual reality.

[fondue zoo]

Old-world policy structures aren't built to handle increasing longevity, movement of people wanting something better notwithstanding.

It's crazy; if by some miracle, dumb-ass humans could get their <deleted> together and actually cooperate, we have the tech and resources to fix it for almost everyone.

Unfortunately, human ape capriciousness and fear wins the day every time. I can see why some evilly bent types would lean towards a "hard reset" of the whole thing.

You try getting 8 billion apes in one room to cooperate and share the bananas.

[baansgr]

18 hours ago, Bannoi said:

The UK State Pension has two main tiers: the old basic State Pension and the new State Pension. In April 2025, the full new State Pension is £230.25 per week (£11,973 per year) and the full old basic State Pension is £176.45 per week (£9,175.40 per year). The new State Pension is for those reaching state pension age after April 6, 2016, while the old basic State Pension applies to those who reached state pension age before that date. 

 

 It would be a start if the old basic pension was scrapped and everyone got the new basic pension.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if sometime in the future the EU will phase in an EU wide pension scheme and all EU pensioners will recive the same. Not that that would benefit the UK who voted for Brexit.

 

Everyone that needs it does get it....if you are on the old state pension and entitled to benefits, you get the higher rate...it's only those that have savings etc that don't get it

[Will B Good]

17 hours ago, gearbox said:

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Margaret Thatcher

 

 

[Tiger1980]

On 7/24/2025 at 8:11 AM, Bannoi said:

The UK State Pension has two main tiers: the old basic State Pension and the new State Pension. In April 2025, the full new State Pension is £230.25 per week (£11,973 per year) and the full old basic State Pension is £176.45 per week (£9,175.40 per year). The new State Pension is for those reaching state pension age after April 6, 2016, while the old basic State Pension applies to those who reached state pension age before that date. 

 

 It would be a start if the old basic pension was scrapped and everyone got the new basic pension.

 

It wouldnt surprise me if sometime in the future the EU will phase in an EU wide pension scheme and all EU pensioners will recive the same. Not that that would benefit the UK who voted for Brexit.

 

 

I completely agreed until you added your biased remark regarding Brexit.

What you could have added was that the triple lock increases are in place to cover inflation increases, which results in those on the old state pension receiving an ever decreasing rise compared to those on the new rate, although the price of bread increase at the same rate.

[Tiger1980]

On 7/24/2025 at 9:38 AM, TedG said:

Or the local popping out more kids.  

Or more of the locals actually working, instead of  living off benefits.

[Freddy42OZ]

It will get significantly worse in coming years as people have fewer or no kids. 

This video is about South Korea, but the message is valid for all countries. 
 

 

[Tiger1980]

People on benefits in the U,K receive more £ than 40% of those who are actually working. So where is this benefit money coming from? Those 40%.

[Geoff914]

On 7/24/2025 at 6:18 AM, CharlieH said:

 

Sir Keir Starmer has been informed of the crisis, which has left many elderly individuals reducing their food intake, limiting energy usage, and avoiding social interaction in an effort to manage escalating costs, according to a recent investigation.

 

 

Can somebody explain to this moron which Chancellor of the Exchequer abolished the tax relief that pension companies got from tax on dividends. At the time there was uproar because it reduced the size of people's pension pot. Now labour is saying people aren't saving enough. We told you so. The initials of the C of the E are GB.

[Will B Good]

On 7/24/2025 at 3:38 PM, TedG said:

Or the local popping out more kids.  

 

Done my bit .....four cherubs.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Hi Rachel from Customer complaints.

 

Let me spell it out for you, I'll try to use small words and keep it simple.

 

1. Despite the things that you list above. The Top 10% of earners still pay 50% of the annual income tax take.

 

2. When you chase these people away, due to punitive tax measures, they leave, just like they are doing now, in record numbers. When they move elsewhere. 50% of zero, is zero

 

3. This means you will have to increase borrowing, By around £160 Billion a year.

 

4. Add on the corresponding loss from National Insurance, Another £100 Billion a year

 

For the financially illiterate, that is an extra £260 Billion in annual borrowing.

 

Just as I advised you on another thread.

 

 

https://www.thetimes.com/uk/politics/article/farms-close-inheritance-tax-raid-jhsln07qw

 

Unemployment UP

 

Welfare UP

 

Government borrowing UP

 

Government debt Servicing costs UP

 

Labour, taking the UK back to 1976.

 

A budget for Growth Growth Growth, taking the UK Down Down Down

 

The difference laid bare between working in Customer Services, 6 Form Politics, rabble rousing for 14 years, and actual reality.

And I’ll use simple words to explain who’s got the money.

 

The hyper wealthy.

 

They got it from everyone else and the Government.

 

Tax wealth not wages!

[The Cyclist]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Tax wealth not wages!

 

Need more skooling Rachel ?
 

You cannot tax your way to growth

 

Growth down

 

Inflation up

 

Unemployment Up

 

This is the cycle that that the UK is entering

 

 

But you keep banging that drum of tax wealth / the Rich.

 

I think you emulate Starmer, he couldn't define a woman.

 

I doubt you could define tax wealth or tax the rich.

 

[digger70]

On 7/24/2025 at 2:52 PM, TedG said:

where is this money going to come from to increase your pension by 40%?

That should be easy , Don't Waste the taxpayers money on Illegal Foreigners  that are in the country getting money and housing/Hotels  for Nothing.

That should  pay for that  pension rise Easy.😠

[TedG]

On 7/25/2025 at 10:02 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

And I’ll use simple words to explain who’s got the money.

 

The hyper wealthy.

 

They got it from everyone else and the Government.

 

Tax wealth not wages!

You don’t understand this stuff. 

[newbee2022]

On 7/24/2025 at 2:52 PM, TedG said:

late answer

1) The USA does a much better job of assimilating people then the European counties. 

 

2) The poverty rate in Europe is a tad over 21%. You have nothing to brag about. 

 

3) The European social welfare state is unsustainable.

 

 

NO

 

[The LIS poverty rates are 6.4 percent in Germany, 7.4 percent in France, 6.0 percent in Australia, 9.0 percent in the UK, and 9.9 percent in the US. These LIS differences are modest in spite of the fact that we have a less generous welfare state.11.12.2023

[According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the United States has the highest poverty rate among the world's 26 most developed countries.

[U.S. Poverty Statistics and Facts (Updated for 2025) https://share.google/VdEpHpAfMTQkL2BhV

[Poverty rates in OECD countries 2022| Statista https://share.google/UoK7QW8MTln92uChI

 

Sorry for the delay

[TedG]

1 minute ago, newbee2022 said:

1) The USA does a much better job of assimilating people then the European counties. 

 

2) The poverty rate in Europe is a tad over 21%. You have nothing to brag about. 

 

3) The European social welfare state is unsustainable.

 

 

NO

 

[The LIS poverty rates are 6.4 percent in Germany, 7.4 percent in France, 6.0 percent in Australia, 9.0 percent in the UK, and 9.9 percent in the US. These LIS differences are modest in spite of the fact that we have a less generous welfare state.11.12.2023

[According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD), the United States has the highest poverty rate among the world's 26 most developed countries.

[U.S. Poverty Statistics and Facts (Updated for 2025) https://share.google/VdEpHpAfMTQkL2BhV

[Poverty rates in OECD countries 2022| Statista https://share.google/UoK7QW8MTln92uChI

 

Sorry for the delay

In Germany, the at-risk-of-poverty rate in 2024 was 15.5%, according to Anadolu Ajansı. This means that roughly one in six people in Germany are at risk of poverty. The poverty rate is even higher for certain groups, such as children, with 20.7% of those under 18 at risk. 

[newbee2022]

1 minute ago, TedG said:

In Germany, the at-risk-of-poverty rate in 2024 was 15.5%, according to Anadolu Ajansı. This means that roughly one in six people in Germany are at risk of poverty. The poverty rate is even higher for certain groups, such as children, with 20.7% of those under 18 at risk. 

wrong source....from Turkey😁

Take OECD, that's reliable

[TedG]

13 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

wrong source....from Turkey😁

Take OECD, that's reliable

Overview

 

In 2023, approximately 94.6 million people in the EU (around 21.4% of the population) were at risk of poverty or social ex

[Yellowtail]

On 7/25/2025 at 6:24 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

And where are the tax breaks, tax giveaways, tax free wealth accumulation and tax avoidance concentrated?

On the taxpayers.

[DaRoadrunner]

On 7/24/2025 at 12:18 PM, CharlieH said:

2.8 million older citizens across the UK lack the financial means to maintain a basic standard of dignified living.

Yet Starmer has plenty of money to spend on migrants who never paid any tax into the uk system. Free food, free accommodation, benefits, asylum. They even have free central heating while uk pensioners cannot afford to turn on the heat. Disgraceful, we need a new Prime Minister.

[MarkBR]

11 minutes ago, DaRoadrunner said:

Yet Starmer has plenty of money to spend on migrants who never paid any tax into the uk system. Free food, free accommodation, benefits, asylum. They even have free central heating while uk pensioners cannot afford to turn on the heat. Disgraceful, we need a new Prime Minister.

this is not the key issue  - relatively minor even if true (I doubt the money figures are that large compared to figures for tax avoidance & tax evasion), Starmer is refusing to tax the people with loads of money, he is a light blue Tory/Labour, a  philosophical 'child ' of Margaret Thatcher (she who believed the completely bonkers Patrick Minford [so did Liz Truss & almost crashed the British stock market & sank her PMship after 49 days].  Chancellor Reeves even talked about trickedown of wealth from a budget designed to London finance institutions.  

[Letseng]

On 7/24/2025 at 12:23 PM, Will B Good said:

A Dutch single person receives a State pension that is 40% more than a UK single persons State pension.....we are being ripped off.

You may be correct. But do look at contribution in NL, taxation.

[MarkBR]

17 hours ago, MarkBR said:

this is not the key issue  - relatively minor even if true (I doubt the money figures are that large compared to figures for tax avoidance & tax evasion), Starmer is refusing to tax the people with loads of money, he is a light blue Tory/Labour, a  philosophical 'child ' of Margaret Thatcher (she who believed the completely bonkers Patrick Minford [so did Liz Truss & almost crashed the British stock market & sank her PMship after 49 days].  Chancellor Reeves even talked about trickedown of wealth from a budget designed to London finance institutions.  

apologies for typos