Middle East Macron's Bold Move: France to Recognise Palestinian State

[Nick Carter icp]

14 minutes ago, placnx said:

Israel needs to get over its paranoia. Now this has resulted in going rogue, violating the basic international rules through which it was born. 

 

   Paranoia  !!!!!!

Israel has been attack and invaded by all its neighbors many times since  its incision in 1948 and many Countries would also like Israel to stop existing .

   That isn't paranoia, that is the reality  

[300sd]

35 minutes ago, placnx said:

Israel needs to get over its paranoia. Now this has resulted in going rogue, violating the basic international rules through which it was born. 

You've got to be joking! Hamas who was elected by Palestinians invaded Israel, Oct 7, (you do know that date don't you?) just to kill Jews. They were happy to brag about it. They've been lobbing missiles over there for years. So now Israel is"Going rogue!" Yeh right. "Israel should get over it's paranoia." Unbelievable statements from someone who has no clue. Hamas has said that they want all Jews in Israel dead. It is quite obvious they would like nothing better than to follow through on that claim. From your foolish statement it seems you would agree with Hamas.

[Captor]

On 7/25/2025 at 10:54 AM, Cameroni said:

Vive la France!!!!

 

Vive la Republique!

 

Vive  l'egalite!!!

 

Macron, you beautiful beast, even if you're banging a guy, at least you made yourself useful!

So it is not a dog as I have heard?

[Captor]

The last conflict started then. By Hamas. I can send the 7 October Parliamentary Commission Report Chaired by Lord Roberts of Belgravia to you. It is about 350 pages with pictures for those who cannot read. But it is an pdf and I think I can not attach it here.

[daveAustin]

On 7/25/2025 at 9:08 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Israel's attitude is that if you attack us then will will annihilate you .

Israel needs to warn other Countries off from attacking them .

Israel's survival depends on it 

They use that tat to grab land. The Jewish past is the only reason Israel is tolerated and green lighted on its destruction of others. To be frank, that whole region would be best off being levelled for the betterment of humanity. 

[Captor]

On 7/25/2025 at 11:46 AM, Chris.C said:

Oh, forget to say there are thousands of Palestinian hostages in Israeli prisons, with no trial.

Do you, like most Israelis, Jews, think Israelis are superior?

Consequences of 7:th October. Every action gets a reaction. They are not raped at least.

[Chris.C]

13 hours ago, Captor said:

The last conflict started then. By Hamas. I can send the 7 October Parliamentary Commission Report Chaired by Lord Roberts of Belgravia to you. It is about 350 pages with pictures for those who cannot read. But it is an pdf and I think I can not attach it here.

What about Operation Shield and Arrow, May 2023.

What about decades of occupation, blockade, starvation, administrative detainees.

Did you get your opinion down the pub?

[mrwebb8825]

On 7/24/2025 at 4:53 PM, webfact said:

Picture courtesy of The Times of Israel

 

In a groundbreaking announcement, French President Emmanuel Macron declared that France will officially recognise a Palestinian state in September. The formal declaration is set to take place during the UN General Assembly session in New York. Macron's statement on X emphasised the need to restore peace in Gaza, calling for an immediate ceasefire and the release of hostages.

 

Macron's initiative has received a warm reception from Palestinian officials, with Deputy Hussein al-Sheikh expressing gratitude for France's backing of international law and Palestinian rights to self-determination.

 

However, Israel's reaction was less favourable. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu criticised the move, describing it as a reward for terrorism following the recent Hamas attacks in Israel.

 

IIn his detailed post, President Macron reaffirmed France's longstanding commitment to peace in the Middle East. He emphasised the necessity to demilitarise Hamas and rebuild Gaza, alongside recognising Israel. Macron stressed the importance of establishing a viable Palestinian state that aligns with Middle Eastern security.

 

While Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas received a confirmation letter from Macron, Israeli leaders voiced strong opposition. Netanyahu expressed concerns that recognising a Palestinian state in current conditions could endanger Israel, arguing that Palestinians aim for a state instead of coexisting with Israel.

 

The international community has long been divided on the recognition of Palestine. Over 140 of the 193 UN member states recognise the State of Palestine, including several European Union countries such as Spain. However, major players such as the US and the UK have yet to do so.

 

The announcement comes against a backdrop of heightened tensions in Gaza. Following the October 7 Hamas attack that resulted in over 1,200 Israeli casualties and multiple hostages, Israel launched a counter-campaign.

 

Gaza's health ministry reports over 59,106 deaths since the conflict escalated, alongside devastating damage to infrastructure.

 

The humanitarian crisis in Gaza is worsening. Unrwa, the UN's Palestinian refugee agency, reports that one in five children in Gaza City is malnourished, with conditions deteriorating daily. Over 100 international aid and human rights organisations have issued warnings of impending mass starvation, urging global intervention.

 

Despite the dire situation, Israel continues to control the supply entries into Gaza. They argue that Hamas's actions are responsible for the humanitarian issues and deny any orchestrated siege. In the UK, Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer condemned the dire humanitarian conditions, describing them as "unspeakable and indefensible."

 

As the situation unfolds, President Macron's bold diplomatic step has stirred international debate. The recognition of Palestine by France could influence the Middle Eastern geopolitical landscape and impact ongoing peace negotiations.

 

  Adapted by ASEAN Now from BBC 2025-07-25

 

 

He's just trying to get the attention of his husband that likes kicking his azz - Last "Bold Move" France ever made was their nearly overnight conversions from country to slave nation in WWII. 🤠

 

Beginning with "Wine, Cheese, We Give Up" and ending with "Blowjobs For Everybody".

[Captor]

4 hours ago, Chris.C said:

What about Operation Shield and Arrow, May 2023.

What about decades of occupation, blockade, starvation, administrative detainees.

Did you get your opinion down the pub?

Who´s opinion? Hamas, same as we are feeded with in the news? 

[proton]

15 hours ago, daveAustin said:

They use that tat to grab land. The Jewish past is the only reason Israel is tolerated and green lighted on its destruction of others. To be frank, that whole region would be best off being levelled for the betterment of humanity. 

 

Until 1967 Israel was with it's borders, it only occupied land as a result of being attacked. 95% of that land was given back, mostly the Sinai to Egypt, Gaza strip was offered but they did not want the trouble from the 'Palestinians' Both the Bible and Quran accept Jews have the right to a homeland there, the Quran never even mentions Palestine. The whole conflict over the years has been caused by islamic hatred of Jews.

[Chris.C]

3 hours ago, Captor said:

Who´s opinion? Hamas, same as we are feeded with in the news? 

Your opinion.

 

What about Operation Shield and Arrow, May 2023?

What about decades of occupation, blockade, starvation, administrative detainees?

 

You obv have no idea of the suffering Palestinians have endured long before Oct 7,:that day many Islamophobes woke up, previously knowing nothing about the Apartheid in Israel.

 

 

[Chris.C]

1 hour ago, proton said:

 

Until 1967 Israel was with it's borders, it only occupied land as a result of being attacked. 95% of that land was given back, mostly the Sinai to Egypt, Gaza strip was offered but they did not want the trouble from the 'Palestinians' Both the Bible and Quran accept Jews have the right to a homeland there, the Quran never even mentions Palestine. The whole conflict over the years has been caused by islamic hatred of Jews.

Nothing to do with all the land ‘acquired’ since 1967?

Since Israel’s founding in 1948, Europe – once a continent torn apart by endless wars – has been largely at peace. Meanwhile, the Middle East has seen war after war. 

Israel may have withdrawn from Gaza in 2005, but it never truly let go. What followed was not freedom – it was blockade. Air, land, sea – all tightly controlled. Two million people, most of them refugees from past wars, have been trapped in what many call an open-air prison. That’s not peace – that’s siege.

In the West Bank, the story is no better. Illegal settlements continue to expand, carving up the land meant for a future Palestinian state. Settlers are protected – often armed – while Palestinians are pushed into smaller and smaller areas, denied permits to build even basic homes. Some roads are for Jews only. Is that equality – or apartheid?

[Evil Penevil]

12 hours ago, Chris.C said:

Nothing to do with all the land ‘acquired’ since 1967?

Since Israel’s founding in 1948, Europe – once a continent torn apart by endless wars – has been largely at peace. Meanwhile, the Middle East has seen war after war. 

 

@Chris.C   Are you insinuating Jews as an organized group had something to do with starting the wars that occurred on the European continent prior to 1948?  And how did the founding of the state of Israel in 1948 have anything to do with post-WWII peace in Europe?  Are you suggesting the deaths of six million Jews between 1939 and 1945 as well as the emigration of a few hundred thousand Holocaust survivors to Israel somehow kept Europe peaceful? 

 

Of course the existence of Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews led to wars and conflict in the Middle East because Arab nations and Palestinian groups attempted to destroy it.  But since Biblical times, the Middle East in general and historical Palestine in particular have never been peaceful places.

 

The notion that a Jewish conspiracy controls or unduly influences world events is merely an updating of centuries-old anti-Jewish tropes.  You can read about a world-dominating Jewish conspiracy in The Protocols of the Elders of Zion  (https://www.britannica.com/topic/Protocols-of-the-Elders-of-Zion), Henry Ford's infamous tract The International Jew (https://archive.org/details/internationaljew12unse/page/204/mode/2up), Hitler's Mein Kampf and the 1988 Hamas Covenant (https://avalon.law.yale.edu/21st_century/hamas.asp).

 

Article 22 of the Hamas Covenant gets quite wild.  Not only are Jews blamed for starting all wars, including WWI and WWII, but Jews have formed "secret societies" like "Freemasons, Rotary Clubs, the Lions and others" to achieve "Zionist interests. "   In Article 32, the Covenant states, "Their plan is embodied in the "Protocols of the Elders of Zion", and their present conduct is the best proof of what we are saying. "

 

When I read posts on AN that express the same belief in Jewish conspiracies, I want to laugh, but I guess I should cry. 

[bannork]

France and Saudi Arabia will co-chair a UN conference in New York from July 28-30 to revive stalled two-state solution talks. 

 

France and Saudi Arabia will lead the charge starting Monday to revive the moribund push for a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians at a UN conference in New York.

 

Paris's decision "will breathe new life into a conference that seemed destined to irrelevance," said Richard Gowan, an analyst at the International Crisis Group.

 

France and Saudi Arabia to lead UN push for two-state solution

[ericbj]

On 7/25/2025 at 4:53 AM, webfact said:

Picture courtesy of The Times of Israel

 

In a groundbreaking announcement, French President Emmanuel Macron declared that France will officially recognise a Palestinian state in September. The formal declaration is set to take place during the UN General Assembly session in New York. Macron's statement on X emphasised the need to restore peace in Gaza, calling for an immediate ceasefire and the release of hostages.

 

Macron's initiative has received a warm reception from Palestinian officials, with Deputy Hussein al-Sheikh expressing gratitude for France's backing of international law and Palestinian rights to self-determination.

 

However, Israel's reaction was less favourable. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu criticised the move, describing it as a reward for terrorism following the recent Hamas attacks in Israel.

 

IIn his detailed post, President Macron reaffirmed France's longstanding commitment to peace in the Middle East. He emphasised the necessity to demilitarise Hamas and rebuild Gaza, alongside recognising Israel. Macron stressed the importance of establishing a viable Palestinian state that aligns with Middle Eastern security.

 

While Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas received a confirmation letter from Macron, Israeli leaders voiced strong opposition. Netanyahu expressed concerns that recognising a Palestinian state in current conditions could endanger Israel, arguing that Palestinians aim for a state instead of coexisting with Israel.

 

The international community has long been divided on the recognition of Palestine. Over 140 of the 193 UN member states recognise the State of Palestine, including several European Union countries such as Spain. However, major players such as the US and the UK have yet to do so.

 

The announcement comes against a backdrop of heightened tensions in Gaza. Following the October 7 Hamas attack that resulted in over 1,200 Israeli casualties and multiple hostages, Israel launched a counter-campaign.

 

Gaza's health ministry reports over 59,106 deaths since the conflict escalated, alongside devastating damage to infrastructure.

 

The humanitarian crisis in Gaza is worsening. Unrwa, the UN's Palestinian refugee agency, reports that one in five children in Gaza City is malnourished, with conditions deteriorating daily. Over 100 international aid and human rights organisations have issued warnings of impending mass starvation, urging global intervention.

 

Despite the dire situation, Israel continues to control the supply entries into Gaza. They argue that Hamas's actions are responsible for the humanitarian issues and deny any orchestrated siege. In the UK, Prime Minister Sir Keir Starmer condemned the dire humanitarian conditions, describing them as "unspeakable and indefensible."

 

As the situation unfolds, President Macron's bold diplomatic step has stirred international debate. The recognition of Palestine by France could influence the Middle Eastern geopolitical landscape and impact ongoing peace negotiations.

 

  Adapted by ASEAN Now from BBC 2025-07-25

 

 

 

Correct decision by Macron, but doubtful motive.
5.6% of the population identifies as being of Islamic faith and 0.8% as Jewish.

 

Conflict is a two-sided affair.  This one did not begin on the 7th October 2023.

 

Can someone provide a reliable figure of how many hostages the Israeli authorities have released ?

 

International Organization of Solidarity with Palestinian Prisoners:

"March 2025 update on number of Palestinian political prisoners in Israeli occupation’s custody

 

"As of the start of March, the number of Palestinians held in Israeli occupation prisons, detention centers and military camps has exceeded 9,500 people. This figure does not include all the people who were arrested from Gaza, particularly those being held in military camps.

 

"The 9,500 people include: 
   - More than 350 Palestinian children
   - At least 21 Palestinian women 
   - 3,405 Palestinians are held without trial or charge, under ‘administrative detention’"

 

[unblocktheplanet]

Anybody who doesn't see Israel's genocide is willfully blind. Every country should do the same: Recognise Palestine!

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Anybody who doesn't see Israel's genocide is willfully blind. Every country should do the same: Recognise Palestine!

 

   Who should Countries have dialogue with ?

Hamas or the Palestinian Authority ?

Two rival warring factions 

[placnx]

On 7/27/2025 at 1:14 PM, Captor said:

Consequences of 7:th October. Every action gets a reaction. They are not raped at least.

With reference to Palestinian prisoners, they have been raped at Sde Teiman military prison in the Negev. It was big in the news, but you don't know about it?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_and_gender-based_violence_against_Palestinians_during_the_Gaza_war

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/08/israels-escalating-use-torture-against-palestinians-custody-preventable

https://theintercept.com/2024/08/09/israel-prison-sde-teiman-palestinian-abuse-torture/

[placnx]

20 hours ago, bannork said:

France and Saudi Arabia will co-chair a UN conference in New York from July 28-30 to revive stalled two-state solution talks. 

 

France and Saudi Arabia will lead the charge starting Monday to revive the moribund push for a two-state solution between Israel and the Palestinians at a UN conference in New York.

 

Paris's decision "will breathe new life into a conference that seemed destined to irrelevance," said Richard Gowan, an analyst at the International Crisis Group.

 

France and Saudi Arabia to lead UN push for two-state solution

The US State Department went out of its way to sabotage the Conference:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5419094-us-un-conference-israel-palestine/

 

And US official policy advocates the two-state solution!

[ericbj]

1 hour ago, placnx said:

The US State Department went out of its way to sabotage the Conference:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/5419094-us-un-conference-israel-palestine/

 

And US official policy advocates the two-state solution!

 

The word of the U.S. government is worthless.  And it shows.

[alex8912]

On 7/25/2025 at 3:56 AM, koolkarl said:

Hamas knows as long as the hostages are not released, Israel will keep bombing and Aljazeera will be there filming the worst parts to inflate world pity and anti Israel propaganda.  

Would you be able to state what Aljazeera or other media would show the world as the best parts of this war in Gaza?  I mean even one? Are they hiding the vids of Palestinians enjoying pumpkin lattes at a Starbucks that is a pile of rubble or something? 

[alex8912]

On 7/26/2025 at 6:54 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Paranoia  !!!!!!

Israel has been attack and invaded by all its neighbors many times since  its incision in 1948 and many Countries would also like Israel to stop existing .

   That isn't paranoia, that is the reality  

What was life like in 1946 or 47 in that area?? Then what  happened? 

[Evil Penevil]

On 7/28/2025 at 6:56 AM, unblocktheplanet said:

Anybody who doesn't see Israel's genocide is willfully blind. 

 

It's not a matter of blindness but perception.  I don't consider the many Palestinian deaths in Gaza to be the result of genocide but caused instead by warfare in a dense urban environment.  It's a tragedy but it's not genocide.

 

I wrote  a lengthy reply in this thread:

 

3 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

No, it's survival for which Jews have a "lust."  It's survival that spurred the early Zionists in the 1880's, led to the founding of Israel in 1948 and today drives the IDF in the defense of Israeli Jews in their homeland.

 

The deaths  of Palestinians in Gaza are NOT the result of genocide but  of warfare in a dense urban environment.  That's a tragedy but it's not genocide.  Most of the civilian casualties are a result of Hamas terrorists hiding among non-combatants or using civilian infrastructure as weapons' depots or firing points.

 

Genocide is determined by intent, not the number of deaths.  The Israeli government isn't trying to eliminate Palestinians as a group.  The civilian deaths are collateral damage from attacks against legitimate military targets.  The roughly 60,000 deaths of Palestinians since  October, 2023, include 20,000 to 25,000 Hamas terrorists.  One  to two civilian deaths for every terrorist killed is not out of line with what could be expected in urban warfare in a tightly populated area.

 

During WWII, the U.S. and U.K. killed  an estimated 500,000 German civilians through aerial bombardment,  while 350,000 to 450,000 Japanese  civilians died due to U.S. bombing.  In both Germany and Japan, the majority of victims were women, children and the elderly. 

 

During a 48-hour period in March, 1945, at least 100,000 Japanese civilians died in the USAAF fire bombing of Tokyo.  The RAF and USAAF  got 37,000 civilians in Hamburg,  while the RAF wracked up 20,000  in Cologne and 25,000 in Dresden.  No one accused the U.S. or U.K. of genocide because it wasn't their intent to wipe out Germans or Japanese, only to kill a lot of them. 

 

Same-same with the Israeli bombing of Gaza.  How is it any different than the U.S. bombing of Tokyo or the RAF bombing of Dresden?  

 

Moreover, it can't be genocide if the size of the target population keeps increases.  The 2.1 million Arabs with Israeli citizenship, 21% of Israel's total population, are descendants of the 150,000 Arabs who remained or returned to Israel in 1948-49.   It seems logical to assume that if Israel wanted to wipe out Palestinians, those are the ones it would begin with.  Obviously that's not the case as the number of Arab Israelis has increased significantly in the past 77 years.

 

 In the West Bank and Gaza, the Palestinian population has grown from less than one million in 1950 to about 5.4 million today.  So when exactly did the genocide begin and how many Palestinians have died in it?