Despite calls from the Arab League to disarm, Hamas says it refuses to do so until an independent Palestinian state is established. By that the terrorist group means it will never disarm, because it knows that no Palestinian state will ever be established. Certainly not the state they envisage, which is a far cry from the two-state solution that Starmer, Macron and Carney seem to have in mind. Hamas want a one-state solution, an Islamic State encompassing the entirety of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. Hence their slogan “from the river to the sea”, mouthed incessantly on university campuses and the streets of our cities by uncomprehending hordes. Hamas’s founding charter demands the annihilation of Israel and the death of Jews everywhere. Despite a cosmetic “revision” and English language statements made to fool Westerners, this has never been repudiated and remains their unwavering goal.

 

The leadership of Hamas are vicious, bloodthirsty terrorists, many of them multi millionaires enriched by decades stealing aid meant for the people of Gaza. But they are far from being fools. They understand that Israel will never surrender to them and they will never have the military power to drive the Israelis out. Their best shot was October 7 in 2023, which was supposed to be supported by an invasion by Hezbollah from the north and backed by rocket fire from Iran’s other “ring of fire” terrorist proxies. They murdered, raped, tortured, kidnapped and burned but failed to achieve what they intended.

 

Instead their actions drove Gaza to ruin and decimated their own fighting strength. But they will fight on fanatically for as long as they are physically able to do so. Hamas is a miniature version of al-Qaeda. Like Hamas, Bin Laden sought an Islamic caliphate, but on a global scale. And like Hamas, he didn’t expect to achieve it in his life-time or even for generations. He saw his role as killing, destruction and economic damage. The purpose was to demoralise the West and “apostate” Muslim regimes, creating strife and division around the world until eventually the caliphate would be established.

 

Hamas and Iran’s other regional proxies have a similar intent, though the ayatollahs in Tehran sought to speed things up by developing nuclear weapons. Although their tactics and public-facing rhetoric are different, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah party have pretty much the same objective as Hamas. That’s why the US State Department recently sanctioned them for funding and supporting terrorism and inculcating violent jihad into their population. 

Israel has no choice but to continue to suppress terrorism in the West Bank, in which Hamas is also heavily involved, to prevent the territory going the way of Gaza. Likewise in Gaza itself there is no political solution; Hamas can be dealt with only by military destruction. That means continuing the war until they are no longer a threat. That might include fostering internal military opposition, which is being tried, and forcing the leadership out of Gaza to a country willing to take them, which is also being planned. 

 

Starmer, Macron and Carney’s demands that Israel ends the war on pain of recognition of a Palestinian state means the fighting is likely to go on longer. 

Not only do these politicians encourage and empower Hamas for the immediate fight, they also validate their terrorist tactics. Unfortunately the leaders of Britain, France and Germany are not breaking new ground in their miscalculations. For decades, in the face of violence against Israel, the first resort of the professional peace processors, politicians, diplomats and UN officials has been to appease the aggressors and attack and vilify Israel, demanding concessions  while never demanding anything of their enemies. At the same time they have perverted international law to paint Israel as the oppressors and those who oppose them as the victims. That has led to Hamas intensifying and developing their human shield tactics knowing Israel will be branded baby-killers. 

 

That is also why Hamas, in cahoots with the UN, have weaponised hunger in Gaza leading to a successful propaganda campaign falsely accusing Israel of yet more war crimes. This, often disgracefully utilising photographs of young children suffering from unrelated genetic medical conditions to falsely show starvation, is among the most powerful levers applied to push Keir Starmer into his recent actions against Israel. After visiting Gaza, US Special Envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff confirmed yesterday that “There is hardship and shortage, but no starvation”.

 

The shameful truth is that Starmer, Macron and Carney do have sufficient insight into the same reality as Witkoff, but lack the moral courage to stand up against the hurricane of lies about starvation, unlawful killing and the other trumped up charges against Israel. In each case their priority is to appease the anti-Israel mobs among their own electorates. Their eyes are not on aiding an ally under pressure or the dire consequences at home of encouraging jihadism abroad, but on the ballot boxes.

 

 

Richard Kemp @ The Telegraph/

03 August 2025 1:47pm BST

 

It is undoubted that Hamas are a viscous oppressor of the Palestinian people.

 

However they don’t hold a monopoly in that role

The author of the article is Richard Kemp, he’s an interesting character and hold positions that ought to be Leo in mind when considering the opinions he expresses.

 BBC Admits ‘Regret’ After Again Failing to Disclose British Colonel’s Links to Israeli Defence Force 
 

 

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/06/20/bbc-israel-charity-commission/

8 minutes ago, Chris.C said:

BBC Admits ‘Regret’ After Again Failing to Disclose British Colonel’s Links to Israeli Defence Force

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/06/20/bbc-israel-charity-commission/

 

Posting in  large font does not make your point valid.  Mr. kemp's article was an opinion piece at the Telegraph, not the BBC.

Because you are unable to counter the  sentient points made by Kemp, all you can do is to post a reference to an unrelated event.

Your continual bombardment of the forum with your propaganda on behalf of Hamas isn't convincing anyone.

Western third-party countries, as well as England, getting lathered up in a display of fake outrage over pix of babies. In this day and age, are they kosher or faked?

But where is the outrage regarding the remaining hostages – we don't even know how many are still 'alive', if that's what they could be called after nearly 2 years.

The sight of thousands marching on Sydney Harbour bridge yesterday in support of the filthy bunch of terrorist thugs Hamas was nauseating. Many of them, no doubt, were duped by PR and rabid anti-Semitic (in this case pro-Arab, but it amounts to the same thing) social-media coverage. And NSW “government” lets it happen. Disgrace.

 

No, I'm not jewish or anything near it. But I care more about those hostages than about Gazans, who have been a (literally, mods) bloody nuisance to the world since forever. Balfour was on a hiding to nothing, as more recent events show.

1 hour ago, CharlieH said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/content/dam/news/2025/08/03/TELEMMGLPICT000394728803_17542242647700_trans_NvBQzQNjv4BqpVlberWd9EgFPZtcLiMQf0Rf_Wk3V23H2268P_XkPxc.jpeg?imwidth=640

 

Despite calls from the Arab League to disarm, Hamas says it refuses to do so until an independent Palestinian state is established. By that the terrorist group means it will never disarm, because it knows that no Palestinian state will ever be established. Certainly not the state they envisage, which is a far cry from the two-state solution that Starmer, Macron and Carney seem to have in mind. Hamas want a one-state solution, an Islamic State encompassing the entirety of Israel, Gaza and the West Bank. Hence their slogan “from the river to the sea”, mouthed incessantly on university campuses and the streets of our cities by uncomprehending hordes. Hamas’s founding charter demands the annihilation of Israel and the death of Jews everywhere. Despite a cosmetic “revision” and English language statements made to fool Westerners, this has never been repudiated and remains their unwavering goal.

 

The leadership of Hamas are vicious, bloodthirsty terrorists, many of them multi millionaires enriched by decades stealing aid meant for the people of Gaza. But they are far from being fools. They understand that Israel will never surrender to them and they will never have the military power to drive the Israelis out. Their best shot was October 7 in 2023, which was supposed to be supported by an invasion by Hezbollah from the north and backed by rocket fire from Iran’s other “ring of fire” terrorist proxies. They murdered, raped, tortured, kidnapped and burned but failed to achieve what they intended.

 

Instead their actions drove Gaza to ruin and decimated their own fighting strength. But they will fight on fanatically for as long as they are physically able to do so. Hamas is a miniature version of al-Qaeda. Like Hamas, Bin Laden sought an Islamic caliphate, but on a global scale. And like Hamas, he didn’t expect to achieve it in his life-time or even for generations. He saw his role as killing, destruction and economic damage. The purpose was to demoralise the West and “apostate” Muslim regimes, creating strife and division around the world until eventually the caliphate would be established.

 

Hamas and Iran’s other regional proxies have a similar intent, though the ayatollahs in Tehran sought to speed things up by developing nuclear weapons. Although their tactics and public-facing rhetoric are different, Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas’s Fatah party have pretty much the same objective as Hamas. That’s why the US State Department recently sanctioned them for funding and supporting terrorism and inculcating violent jihad into their population. 

Israel has no choice but to continue to suppress terrorism in the West Bank, in which Hamas is also heavily involved, to prevent the territory going the way of Gaza. Likewise in Gaza itself there is no political solution; Hamas can be dealt with only by military destruction. That means continuing the war until they are no longer a threat. That might include fostering internal military opposition, which is being tried, and forcing the leadership out of Gaza to a country willing to take them, which is also being planned. 

 

Starmer, Macron and Carney’s demands that Israel ends the war on pain of recognition of a Palestinian state means the fighting is likely to go on longer. 

Not only do these politicians encourage and empower Hamas for the immediate fight, they also validate their terrorist tactics. Unfortunately the leaders of Britain, France and Germany are not breaking new ground in their miscalculations. For decades, in the face of violence against Israel, the first resort of the professional peace processors, politicians, diplomats and UN officials has been to appease the aggressors and attack and vilify Israel, demanding concessions  while never demanding anything of their enemies. At the same time they have perverted international law to paint Israel as the oppressors and those who oppose them as the victims. That has led to Hamas intensifying and developing their human shield tactics knowing Israel will be branded baby-killers. 

 

That is also why Hamas, in cahoots with the UN, have weaponised hunger in Gaza leading to a successful propaganda campaign falsely accusing Israel of yet more war crimes. This, often disgracefully utilising photographs of young children suffering from unrelated genetic medical conditions to falsely show starvation, is among the most powerful levers applied to push Keir Starmer into his recent actions against Israel. After visiting Gaza, US Special Envoy to the Middle East Steve Witkoff confirmed yesterday that “There is hardship and shortage, but no starvation”.

 

The shameful truth is that Starmer, Macron and Carney do have sufficient insight into the same reality as Witkoff, but lack the moral courage to stand up against the hurricane of lies about starvation, unlawful killing and the other trumped up charges against Israel. In each case their priority is to appease the anti-Israel mobs among their own electorates. Their eyes are not on aiding an ally under pressure or the dire consequences at home of encouraging jihadism abroad, but on the ballot boxes.

 

 

Richard Kemp @ The Telegraph/

03 August 2025 1:47pm BST

 

An extremely one sided story.

What is wrong if there would be a ONE state solution?

What is wrong to acknowledge a state "Palestine"?

 

41 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Posting in  large font does not make your point valid.  Mr. kemp's article was an opinion piece at the Telegraph, not the BBC.

Because you are unable to counter the  sentient points made by Kemp, all you can do is to post a reference to an unrelated event.

Your continual bombardment of the forum with your propaganda on behalf of Hamas isn't convincing anyone.

I could counter the ridiculous lies he wrote. 
My point, it’s relevant to advise anyone who reads this article the dude who wrote it raises money for the IDF!

For simpler readers, he is spreading Israeli propaganda.

Kemp is a director and trustee of UK Friends of the Association for the Wellbeing of Israel’s Soldiers (UK-AWIS), a British charity that raises money to support the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF).

 

 

 

 

12 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

An extremely one sided story.

What is wrong if there would be a ONE state solution?

What is wrong to acknowledge a state "Palestine"?

 

Why not “The Country of Israel” with a Palestinian Territory like USA and Puerto Rico, they will be Israeli citizens, but not Israeli unless by choice.  Create it up on the Jordan River……..they really have no place to go, Egypt doesn’t want them, Syria wants to kill them, Jordan doesn’t acknowledge them, Saudi Arabia could care less.   Bulldoze Gaza and create a 'Pearl of the Middle East' like Beirut used to be back in the Seventies, funded by the Emerites and Saudi Arabia, they couldn’t help by succeed.  To the winner goes the spoils comes to mind.

33 minutes ago, Explorator en Actione said:

Why not “The Country of Israel” with a Palestinian Territory like USA and Puerto Rico, they will be Israeli citizens, but not Israeli unless by choice.  Create it up on the Jordan River……..they really have no place to go, Egypt doesn’t want them, Syria wants to kill them, Jordan doesn’t acknowledge them, Saudi Arabia could care less.   Bulldoze Gaza and create a 'Pearl of the Middle East' like Beirut used to be back in the Seventies, funded by the Emerites and Saudi Arabia, they couldn’t help by succeed.  To the winner goes the spoils comes to mind.

Yes. good point

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Posting in  large font does not make your point valid.  Mr. kemp's article was an opinion piece at the Telegraph, not the BBC.

Because you are unable to counter the  sentient points made by Kemp, all you can do is to post a reference to an unrelated event.

Your continual bombardment of the forum with your propaganda on behalf of Hamas isn't convincing anyone.

It really doesn't matter what the source of the opinion piece is. However the interests of the writer are important, no matter where he writes.

2 hours ago, stevenl said:

It really doesn't matter what the source of the opinion piece is. However the interests of the writer are important, no matter where he writes.

 

Understood. However, that is not the common practice of media when they provide such articles. It is not done when when articles are published with a different view, so this is not a case of it being a one sided incident. The BBC has previously presented stories and articles from supporters of various Arab positions without declaring that support. The Guardian does similar. Have a look at Al Jazeera. it is filled with articles and opinions that are hostile to Israel. It certainly does not follow your position.

11 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

Understood. However, that is not the common practice of media when they provide such articles. It is not done when when articles are published with a different view, so this is not a case of it being a one sided incident. The BBC has previously presented stories and articles from supporters of various Arab positions without declaring that support. The Guardian does similar. Have a look at Al Jazeera. it is filled with articles and opinions that are hostile to Israel. It certainly does not follow your position.

You objected to another poster pointing out the interests of the author. "Mr. kemp's article was an opinion piece at the Telegraph, not the BBC"

Your objection was not just irrelevant, your argument was non sensical.

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

You objected to another poster pointing out the interests of the author. "Mr. kemp's article was an opinion piece at the Telegraph, not the BBC"

Your objection was not just irrelevant, your argument was non sensical.

I was pointing out that it is not uncommon for opinion articles not to provide details on the background of the author. I gave  examples. Referencing an alleged  statement by the BBC had no relevance to the article printed in the Telegraph. Rerming my statement as nonsensical is not substantiated. Try again halif. 😄

On 8/4/2025 at 10:27 AM, CharlieH said:

 Hamas says it refuses to do so until an independent Palestinian state is established.

I can't blame them.  Like Libya, Iraq, and Syria, the US and Israelis want the Palestinian to completely disarm, after which the Israelis will create hell on earth for the remaining Palestinian and the unarmed Hamas are hunted down and killed like Amalak dogs.  Look at Libya and Syria today - Chaos.  Which is the condition that the US, Israel, and the pro-Israel AN faction of Christian and secular Zionists want: Ethnic cleansing of the entire Palestinian population from Israel.  Put a gun to the heads of the Palestinians and promise not to shoot if they "voluntarily" leave. I can't believe the world we now live in - just spin hyperbole about Palestinians and Arabs to justify genocide and ethnic cleansing. 

This doesn't get resolved until after World War 3 - if there is a human population left after that world war.  It's coming.  It will be hailed by the Christian Zionists or Dispensationalist Christians as a sure sign of the Second Coming.  Talk about a screwed up religious sect!  Christ of the New Testament would have a cow upon witnessing the horror that is occurring in Gaza and the West Bank, as well as Southern Lebanon and Syria.

22 hours ago, connda said:

This doesn't get resolved until after World War 3

Well it certainly wasn't settled after WW2.

There is an awful ring of truth to the actual words "ethnic cleansing". It may be unpalatable, but certain tribes (call them races, ethnicities, religions, whatever) are simply unacceptable to others, in particular the neighbour tribes they have to "live" with.

Examples without ranking them and with no specific animosity: Rohingya, travellers (roma, gipsies, etc), Uyghurs, Kurds - and Palestinians. 

Objectively, there is little raison d'etre for these tribes. No-one wants them as neighbours or as immgrants, and they will always cause trouble by their very struggle for existence.

Of course genocide is unthinkable. But for those neighbours at least, their locale would be "cleaner" without these tribes. There are further awful examples in central Africa.

There are obvious parallels in Iraq, Iran, Syria. Create "peace" by use of external force and/or expensive peacekeeping, remove someone nasty at the top, then leave them to sort it. What do you know, within weeks they themselves are doing what the neighbours are not permitted to do - ethnic cleansing.

Recent history shows us a partial solution which, unfortunately, is not fashionable thinking up the posh end of the UN. Leave one pliable dictator in place to run the show and look the other way: Pahlavi (Shah of Persia); Gaddafi; Assad, etc.

You can even point to some instances where the dictator was good for the neighbours and to some extent the tribes themselves - eg Tito in Yugoslavia who kept it all together. After him, it fell apart - into the very genocide everyone had been hoping to avoid.

And point to innumerable dictators (rightly!) deemed unacceptable, eventually, to the more upstanding members of the UN: such as Franco or Pinochet.

No, I think you are being very optimistic in suggesting a mere third world war might solve this problem (legally).

 

Opinion, yes, by a staunch Israel supporter.

To dismiss the humanitarian catastrophe in Gaza as “propaganda” is to ignore the reports of international NGOs, aid agencies, and even Israeli human rights groups like B’Tselem. Malnutrition and lack of medical care are documented. Starvation is the consequence of a total blockade imposed by Israel, which controls Gaza’s borders, airspace, and sea access.  

The piece claims Hamas “will never disarm” because no Palestinian state will ever be established but this is cyclical logic. Israel has for many years repeadetly undermined efforts toward statehood, expanding illegal settlements in the West Bank, fragmenting Palestinian territory, and rejecting international consensus on the two-state solution. Palestinians are denied self-determination not because of Hamas’s ideology, but because Israel refuses to relinquish control over land, resources, and borders.  

Israel presents itself as a democracy, but it maintains an apartheid system, as documented by Amnesty International, Human Rights Watch, and Israeli NGOs. Palestinians in the West Bank face checkpoints, land confiscation, settler violence, and military courts. Gaza’s population, half of whom are children, are trapped in what has been called the world’s largest open-air prison.

The reality is that Israel holds the power, resources, and international backing. To say Hamas is the root of the conflict while ignoring Israel’s decades of occupation and oppression is to invert reality. Until Palestinians are granted equal rights, sovereignty, and dignity, peace will remain impossible.

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