UK-Politics 25 Lies - How is Starmer still in office

[ezzra]

He's in good company of a long line of other PM's around the world, that once they get elected unto office,

those promises take a back seat.

[Bacon1]

I've removed 3 posts about Donald Trump.

Please stick to the topic:

"25 Lies - How is Starmer still in office"

 

Thank you 

 

 

[superal]

and they still have another 4 years in power . The mind boggles to imagine what the state of the UK will be like then .As far as I know there is no regulatory body that can oversee the performance of the UK government . So poor performance has to be tolerated . Or will there be an uprising of the public , riots or summer of discontent ? The arrests of peaceful protesters maybe the final straw .Many thousands of rubber boat invaders  , lining up to go to the UK . Oh and wait for the Reeves autumn budget where she has to find 35 billion pounds , with income tax rises  thought probable . The 1.5 million new homes will bring a lot of unrest to local residents  caused by the government overriding local planning laws . Not forgetting that to build the new homes means importing at least 50,000 European builders .Ain't got a crystal ball but the UK future looks gloomy .

[The Cyclist]

All going swimmingly well for Starmer.

 

Another 1 bites the dust

 

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Labour MP Afzal Khan has resigned as the UK's trade envoy to Turkey following criticism of his visit last week to the self-declared Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.

The territory isn't recognised by the UK government as Turkish troops have occupied Cyprus' northern third since the 1974 invasion.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0j9ezpgq8qo

[hotandsticky]

6 minutes ago, superal said:

and they still have another 4 years in power . The mind boggles to imagine what the state of the UK will be like then .As far as I know there is no regulatory body that can oversee the performance of the UK government . So poor performance has to be tolerated . Or will there be an uprising of the public , riots or summer of discontent ? The arrests of peaceful protesters maybe the final straw .Many thousands of rubber boat invaders  , lining up to go to the UK . Oh and wait for the Reeves autumn budget where she has to find 35 billion pounds , with income tax rises  thought probable . The 1.5 million new homes will bring a lot of unrest to local residents  caused by the government overriding local planning laws . Not forgetting that to build the new homes means importing at least 50,000 European builders .Ain't got a crystal ball but the UK future looks gloomy .

 

 

I have a more positive view.

 

After the shambolic efforts of successive Tory administrations I thought that 'things can only get better'..........they haven't.

 

The only hope is that what appears be a 'British' fightback (at least all over social media) will continue, and continue to be led by 'ordinary folk' rather than the faded far right. Is the UK suddenly waking up to the fact we have too many immigrants (especially illegals) and British culture has been eroded - is it waking up to the fact that woke has taken over and commonsense has evaporated.

 

This is a great opportunity for Reform, Farage and his shining light, Zia Yusuf - who is a breath of fresh air. Reform have become electable, Farage is becoming a statesman and there is no guarantee that Labour will see out their full term.

[BarraMarra]

Its only a matter of time hotnsticky. Word on the streets are once a major crime is comitted by an illegal i'e a murder people will hit the streets demanding a general Election.

[RayC]

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Its only a matter of time hotnsticky. Word on the streets are once a major crime is comitted by an illegal i'e a murder people will hit the streets demanding a general Election.

 

Wishful thinking on your part.

 

It would require millions of people to take to the streets in order to force the government to resign. It's not going to happen.

[The Cyclist]

44 minutes ago, RayC said:

It would require millions of people to take to the streets in order to force the government to resign. It's not going to happen.

 

Brexit was never going to happen

 

Neither was Trump becoming POTUS.

 

And despite lawfare, establishment pushback, both happened.

 

The tide is turning in the UK, whether you wish to believe it or not.

[Will B Good]

On 8/15/2025 at 6:01 AM, CharlieH said:

from The Express 2025-08-14

 

[Will B Good]

 

 

Maybe my memory is playing tricks.......does anyone recall the same type of article written by the Express about Johnson?.......now there is someone who can lie.......he makes Starmer look like an amateur and would even give Trump a run for his money.

[RayC]

25 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Brexit was never going to happen

 

Neither was Trump becoming POTUS.

 

And despite lawfare, establishment pushback, both happened.

 

None of the above happened because millions of people took to the streets and forced a change. The changes occurred through the ballot box.

 

You are going to be sadly disappointed if you think that the UK government will be forced from office by millions of people taking to the streets.

 

25 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

The tide is turning in the UK, whether you wish to believe it or not.

 

Perhaps, let's see. We'll find out in 2027 or sooner if the government calls an early election.

[The Cyclist]

9 minutes ago, RayC said:

You are going to be sadly disappointed if you think that the UK government will be forced from office by millions of people taking to the streets.

 

It won't be millions of people taking to the streets, that forces out the Government. So I will not be disappointed in the slightest.

 

Other events will overwhelm the Labour Party, and I will not be surprised if the Government folds and runs away.

[RayC]

25 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

It won't be millions of people taking to the streets, that forces out the Government. So I will not be disappointed in the slightest.

 

Which was the point that I was making. I'm pleased that you agree with me.

 

25 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

Other events will overwhelm the Labour Party, and I will not be surprised if the Government folds and runs away.

 

What events will cause a Government holding a majority of 170-odd to throw in the towel?

 

Labour has nothing to fear from the parliamentary opposition wrt its hold on power. Given that we agree that a revolution is unlikely, I don't see how the Labour Party will be forced from power.

 

I recall that you said that Starmer would be gone by the Autumn: While there is, of course, still time for that prediction to be proved correct, it looks increasingly unlikely. It is not in (m)any politician's nature to relinquish power voluntarily, and I doubt that Starmer bucks the norm in that respect: His opponents in the PLP will need to organise themselves if they are to have a chance of toppling him and there is little sign of that happening before the Autumn.

[The Cyclist]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

Labour has nothing to fear from the parliamentary opposition wrt its hold on power.

 

You are looking in the wrong place.

[baansgr]

There will be either a Dave Copeland attack accompanied by mass foreigner bashing, or another jihadi beheading very shortly...afterwards the government will be dissolved and an election called

[brewsterbudgen]

4 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Its only a matter of time hotnsticky. Word on the streets are once a major crime is comitted by an illegal i'e a murder people will hit the streets demanding a general Election.

Like the Poll Tax riots?  

[RayC]

16 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

You are looking in the wrong place.

 

Where is this threat to the government then?

 

You have already agreed that the change will not result from street protests and/or parliament. 

[The Cyclist]

2 minutes ago, RayC said:

Where is this threat to the government then?

 

Try reading the news, the information is readily available, if you care to look.

 

Events ( plural ) is the threat.

[RayC]

8 minutes ago, baansgr said:

There will be either a Dave Copeland attack accompanied by mass foreigner bashing, or another jihadi beheading very shortly...afterwards the government will be dissolved and an election called

 

The government did not resign following 7/7. Why should another terrorist attack lead to the government resigning and calling an election? 

[RayC]

2 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Try reading the news, the information is readily available, if you care to look.

 

Events ( plural ) is the threat.

 

What (combination of events) will cause the government to resign or force it from power.  You need to explain that.

[brewsterbudgen]

Just now, RayC said:

 

The government did not resign following 7/7. Why should another terrorist attack lead to the government resigning and calling an election? 

 

Correct. I think it's just the 'fantasy politics' enjoyed by anti-government keyboard warriors!

[Jeff the Chef]

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/our-work/topics/parliament-and-constitution/general-elections

 

The last UK general election was held Thursday 4 July 2024, with the Labour Party winning a commanding majority. 

The next general election must be called by August 2029, however the prime minister can choose to hold it at any point before this.

 

Hope this helps a few misinformed members on here.

 

[The Cyclist]

8 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

What (combination of events) will cause the government to resign or force it from power.  You need to explain that.

 

I don't need to explain anything. Watch and see for yourself.

[The Cyclist]

8 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The next general election must be called by August 2029, however the prime minister can choose to hold it at any point before this.

 

And I believe that multiple events, will cause this to happen.

[brewsterbudgen]

3 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

And I believe that multiple events, will cause this to happen.

 

You might be right, if  Labour can see a huge lead in the opinion polls.  That looks unlikely at the moment, but if there is a ghastly terrorist incident, especially if it's caused by the extreme Right like David Copeland, it might spell the end of the Reform honeymoon and rally the country to the government.

[The Cyclist]

1 minute ago, brewsterbudgen said:

You might be right, if  Labour can see a huge lead in the opinion polls.

 

Look at the facts

 

* Labour ratings in the gutter

 

* Lost 6 Cabinet ministers in a year

 

* Getting skelped at Council level in just about every Council By-election

 

* If reports are correct, Labour are losing bucketloads of support to the new Jezbollah Party.

 

* I won't even list their disasters over the last year.

 

* I will be surprised if they do not call a GE straight after next years Council By-Elections. When it will be as clear as the nose on your face, that they are a busted flush and no-one wants them.

 

Thats if events outwith Politics do not force a GE before then.

[brewsterbudgen]

Just now, The Cyclist said:

 

Look at the facts

 

* Labour ratings in the gutter

 

* Lost 6 Cabinet ministers in a year

 

* Getting skelped at Council level in just about every Council By-election

 

* If reports are correct, Labour are losing bucketloads of support to the new Jezbollah Party.

 

* I won't even list their disasters over the last year.

 

* I will be surprised if they do not call a GE straight after next years Council By-Elections. When it will be as clear as the nose on your face, that they are a busted flush and no-one wants them.

 

Thats if events outwith Politics do not force a GE before then.

 

Perhaps you're not from the UK?  Governments only call elections if they think they will/can win them!  Turkeys don't vote for Christmas.

[RayC]

20 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

I don't need to explain anything. Watch and see for yourself.

 

In the meantime, I'll file it under Conspiracy Theory or Uninformed Opinion. TBD which one.

[The Cyclist]

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Perhaps you're not from the UK?  Governments only call elections if they think they will/can win them! 

 

They can also call them when their position is untenable in the eyes of the public.

 

This is usually done by the PM asking the King to dissolve parliament and call a GE.

[The Cyclist]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

n the meantime, I'll file it under Conspiracy Theory or Uninformed Opinion

 

File it wherever you like. It's not as if I'm going to lose any sleep over it.