UK-Politics 25 Lies - How is Starmer still in office

[baansgr]

38 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

What (combination of events) will cause the government to resign or force it from power.  You need to explain that.

Because we are on the cusp of an all out racial war..don't you read the " real news" or just MSM

[RayC]

6 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

File it wherever you like. It's not as if I'm going to lose any sleep over it.

 

I can't tell what a relief that is to me

[RayC]

1 minute ago, baansgr said:

Because we are on the cusp of an all out racial war..don't you read the " real news" or just MSM

 

Funnily enough like most people I don't get my news from 'Conspiracy Theory' today.

 

I did some shopping locally in Lambeth this morning. People of all shapes, sizes and races going about their business No hint of racial warfare. Guess that we're just lucky.

[baansgr]

3 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

Funnily enough like most people I don't get my news from 'Conspiracy Theory' today.

 

I did some shopping locally in Lambeth this morning. People of all shapes, sizes and races going about their business No hint of racial warfare. Guess that we're just lucky.

All doing the Lambeth walk I suppose 

[brewsterbudgen]

27 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

They can also call them when their position is untenable in the eyes of the public.

 

This is usually done by the PM asking the King to dissolve parliament and call a GE.

"Usually"?  When has this happened?   Even in Boris' darkest days, he didn't contemplate calling an election he couldn't win!

[The Cyclist]

7 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

"Usually"?  When has this happened?   Even in Boris' darkest days, he didn't contemplate calling an election he couldn't win!

 

Did you not understand this part ?
 

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They can also call them when their position is untenable in the eyes of the public.

 

Go back and read my previous post. That  will describe what untenable means.

[RayC]

18 minutes ago, baansgr said:

All doing the Lambeth walk I suppose 

 

Leave it out, guv😉

[BarraMarra]

County Elections were cancelled because labour knew they would lose most Councils so they postponed them the only one with any merit i can think of was Sarah Poaching winning for Reform in Runcorn and Helsby. Defeating labour who had held the seat for the last 40 years. There miles ahead in all opinon polls too.

[brewsterbudgen]

21 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Did you not understand this part ?
 

 

Go back and read my previous post. That  will describe what untenable means.

 

No, sorry, I have no idea what you're referring to (not sure you do either!).  Why would any government call an election that they think they would lose.  It won't happen and it hasn't happened.

[The Cyclist]

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

No, sorry, I have no idea what you're referring to (not sure you do either!).  Why would any government call an election that they think they would lose.  It won't happen and it hasn't happened.

 

Quite clearly, you really have no idea what I am talking about.

 

The concept of an untenable Government is beyond you. And also the mechanism behind dissolving an untenable Government and calling a new GE.

 

To make it simple for you. A government does not always get to call a GE when it thinks it will win it.

[brewsterbudgen]

1 minute ago, The Cyclist said:

 

Quite clearly, you really have no idea what I am talking about.

 

The concept of an untenable Government is beyond you. And also the mechanism behind dissolving an untenable Government and calling a new GE.

 

To make it simple for you. A government does not always get to call a GE when it thinks it will win it.

 

An "untenable" is a government that cannot get a majority in the House of Commons.  Simple as that.  The only other way to dissolve a government is by the King and that is very unlikely to ever happen.  You might want to read up on the British electoral law and the 'constitution'!

[The Cyclist]

18 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

County Elections were cancelled because labour knew they would lose most Councils so they postponed them the only one with any merit i can think of was Sarah Poaching winning for Reform in Runcorn and Helsby. Defeating labour who had held the seat for the last 40 years. There miles ahead in all opinon polls too.

 

There are 39 By-elections between 21 August and 25 September.

 

So far this year. Labour have been humped even worse than the Tories and Reform are way out in front

[brewsterbudgen]

2 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

There are 39 By-elections between 21 August and 25 September.

 

So far this year. Labour have been humped even worse than the Tories and Reform are way out in front

 

Council by-elections.

[The Cyclist]

10 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

An "untenable" is a government that cannot get a majority in the House of Commons.  Simple as that

 

For simple people yes

 

What do you call a Government that does not have the support of the people ?
 

I would call that " Untenable " wouldn't you ?
 

Otherwise, they become a dictatorship.

 

Checkmate, and goodbye.

[brewsterbudgen]

4 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

For simple people yes

 

What do you call a Government that does not have the support of the people ?
 

I would call that " Untenable " wouldn't you ?
 

Otherwise, they become a dictatorship.

 

Checkmate, and goodbye.

Nope it doesn't work like that at all.  As I suggested, do some reading on British parliamentary democracy and our 'unwritten' constitution. 

 

To make it simpler, ChatGPT summarises it in a very simple way:

 

In the UK, general elections decide who forms the government, and there are specific rules about how and when they can be called:

 

1. Fixed Term (Maximum 5 Years)

By law, Parliament must be dissolved and a general election held at least every five years.

The current rules come from the Dissolution and Calling of Parliament Act 2022, which replaced the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011.

 

2. Calling an Early Election

Under the 2022 Act:

The Prime Minister can request the King to dissolve Parliament at any time.

This is a return to the old system of “royal prerogative,” though in practice it is the Prime Minister’s decision.

 

3. Exceptional Circumstances

Parliament can also end early if the government loses the confidence of the House of Commons and no alternative government is formed.

Sometimes a Prime Minister may call an early election if they believe their party has a strong chance of winning (for example, to increase their majority).

 

4. Election Timetable

Once Parliament is dissolved, an election is normally held 25 working days later.

 

✅ In short:
UK general elections must be held at least every 5 years, but the Prime Minister can ask the King to dissolve Parliament earlier and trigger one whenever politically convenient.

[The Cyclist]

6 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

The Prime Minister can request the King to dissolve Parliament at any time.

 

When the Government becomes untenable to the General public.

 

Which is what I said. and gave you a breakdown of the PM goes about it.

 

And I didn't have to speak to an AI bot to give you the answer.

 

And when a Government does not go when it loses the consent of the population, it becomes a dictatorship.

 

Go ask your chat bot about that one, it might enlighten you.

[Jeff the Chef]

Somebody needs a "Trick"

[blaze master]

On 8/14/2025 at 10:44 PM, The Cyclist said:

 

I didn't ask you about me.

 

I asked you about the lies in the OP, and what garbage you were going to come out with in an attempt to defend Starmer.

 

Obviously you are unable to do so, which is why you spout garbage about me.

 

That poster will never admit how dead wrong they were. Id give up on that. Was equally way off on the US election and many other things. 

 

 

[RayC]

1 hour ago, The Cyclist said:

 

When the Government becomes untenable to the General public.

 

Which is what I said. and gave you a breakdown of the PM goes about it.

 

And I didn't have to speak to an AI bot to give you the answer.

 

And when a Government does not go when it loses the consent of the population, it becomes a dictatorship.

 

Go ask your chat bot about that one, it might enlighten you.

 

It is ridiculous to imply that this government has become a dictatorship. It won a democratic election last year and has a mandate to govern until 2029. 

 

It is equally ridiculous to suggest that the government has become untenable. Once again, to state the blindingly obvious, there is no way that the parliamentary opposition can force it out. You have also previously agreed that there will not be a mass revolt from the public to force it to resign.

 

Which leaves what? A coup of some sort? The chances of a ragtag band of extreme- left or extreme-right nutters successfully organising an uprising are approximately zero. So an 'establishment' take over? Consisting of who? The monarchy? The Army? Why would they do so? This government is no threat to either. 

 

So, to summarise, much as you wish it were not the case, the idea that this government is a dictatorship and/or is untenable is complete and utter nonsense. QED.

[brewsterbudgen]

8 hours ago, RayC said:

 

It is ridiculous to imply that this government has become a dictatorship. It won a democratic election last year and has a mandate to govern until 2029. 

 

It is equally ridiculous to suggest that the government has become untenable. Once again, to state the blindingly obvious, there is no way that the parliamentary opposition can force it out. You have also previously agreed that there will not be a mass revolt from the public to force it to resign.

 

Which leaves what? A coup of some sort? The chances of a ragtag band of extreme- left or extreme-right nutters successfully organising an uprising are approximately zero. So an 'establishment' take over? Consisting of who? The monarchy? The Army? Why would they do so? This government is no threat to either. 

 

So, to summarise, much as you wish it were not the case, the idea that this government is a dictatorship and/or is untenable is complete and utter nonsense. QED.

 

I've given up trying to reason with him.

[lavender19]

On 8/15/2025 at 7:17 AM, The Cyclist said:

C'mon @Chomper Higgot

 

Let's hear your defence, of liar, liar, pants on fire ( as well as 2 properties and a car ) Starmer.

 

Ye Gawds, there was some mutants in the last Tory Government. Starmer is making them look good.

 

And the less said about his Cabinet, the better. Most of them were grown on Corbyns allotment, cabbages.

Not to mention the Ukrainian grinder boys

[lavender19]

On 8/16/2025 at 7:39 AM, NanLaew said:

 

Your wildest dreams will be fulfilled after Rayner takes the helm and crushes Reform in 2029.

 

Careful what you wish for.

The Ginger Growler can't even spell Reform. Let alone crush them

[The Cyclist]

39 minutes ago, lavender19 said:

Not to mention the Ukrainian grinder boys

 

😀😀😀

 

The subtle mention was the 2 burning properties and the burning car