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Ukraine (and everyone involved) is loosing the war.

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8 hours ago, Mike_Hunt said:

Russia is a dying empire.   Both China and Russia are facing democratic issues. The US will be fine. 

I found it soaked with hypocrisy. Same as all this massive rusophobic psyop run for decades by "western world" with US as a headliner. When I grew up at some point I noticed how even Holywood movies are trying to show US as a guard/saviour of the world always fighting against Russia. US - country sinking in debts talking about others as a crumbling empire. A country without a real history and culture. Country built by immigrants on the land violently stolen from indigenous people. The country that was/is involved in the biggest number of conflicts in the modern history of the world . Everything in the name of so called "democracy". "Uncle Sam Shame".

 

Same now with all that reoccuring narration from EU about how Russia wanna take over whole Ukraine and the rest of middle easter Europe, which is ridiculous. Just another psyop run by corrupted EU politicians, mass media (which are mostly owned by US and Wall Street)  and Ukrainian oligarchs.

 

BTW. I'm looking forward to our new president's veto against funding Starlinks for Ukraine. Same as he did with 800+ program (welfare) for unemployed Ukrainians. It was a big day for polish people seeing ukrainian tik-tokers squeaking and threatning us with violence and arsonies, and that "they're gonna leave Poland and what we're gonna do without them" LOL. Your shady billionaires should pay for Starlinks instead of us - polish taxpayers. I'm tired of being constantly robbed by "polish" politicians and pro Ukrainian EU lobby.

 

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My impression is that YOU are heartless and cynical, an aggressive repeater of misinformation, and a useful something something to Putin.

 I see him as a sane, well informed person with critical, individual thinking ability, not shaped by mass media and the person who like to stick to facts and logic.

 

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28 minutes ago, t0mt0m said:

I found it soaked with hypocrisy. Same as all this massive rusophobic psyop run for decades by "western world" with US as a headliner. When I grew up at some point I noticed how even Holywood movies are trying to show US as a guard/saviour of the world always fighting against Russia. US - country sinking in debts talking about others as a crumbling empire. A country without a real history and culture. Country built by immigrants on the land violently stolen from indigenous people. The country that was/is involved in the biggest number of conflicts in the modern history of the world . Everything in the name of so called "democracy". "Uncle Sam Shame".

 

Same now with all that reoccuring narration from EU about how Russia wanna take over whole Ukraine and the rest of middle easter Europe, which is ridiculous. Just another psyop run by corrupted EU politicians, mass media (which are mostly owned by US and Wall Street)  and Ukrainian oligarchs.

 

BTW. I'm looking forward to our new president's veto against funding Starlinks for Ukraine. Same as he did with 800+ program (welfare) for unemployed Ukrainians. It was a big day for polish people seeing ukrainian tik-tokers squeaking and threatning us with violence and arsonies, and that "they're gonna leave Poland and what we're gonna do without them" LOL. Your shady billionaires should pay for Starlinks instead of us - polish taxpayers. I'm tired of being constantly robbed by "polish" politicians and pro Ukrainian EU lobby.

 

 I see him as a sane, well informed person with critical, individual thinking ability, not shaped by mass media and the person who like to stick to facts and logic.

 

Of course Russia wants to take over all of Ukraine.

If you actually followed Russian rhetoric for Russians and Putin's words to Russians, you would know that.

Taking over doesn't necessarily mean literally.

A puppet government like in Belarus would have the same effect.

Poland has a strong military but if you think the Baltic states are not at risk of the same, that's simply delusional.

Also Russia is trying and in some cases succeeding in having pro Russian pro autocracy governments brought into power in as many nations as they can. Hungary, Slovakia, and Trump come to mind.

You sound obsessed with your resentment about Ukrainians in Poland and very blind to the bigger picture.

Those who advocate resistance and the continuation of the war at all costs are Moscow's objective allies.
Putin has not yet achieved all his objectives, and he too advocates the continuation of the conflict.

 

After the Donbass, he will attack Odessa and its ports, depriving Ukraine of access to the sea to export its grain.
And then this landlocked country will be completely at his boot. Putin will then be able to call for peace in a falsely magnanimous speech.

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8 hours ago, Toc-Toc said:

Those who advocate resistance and the continuation of the war at all costs are Moscow's objective allies.
Putin has not yet achieved all his objectives, and he too advocates the continuation of the conflict.

 

After the Donbass, he will attack Odessa and its ports, depriving Ukraine of access to the sea to export its grain.
And then this landlocked country will be completely at his boot. Putin will then be able to call for peace in a falsely magnanimous speech.

Brainwash alert !

Curious about someone who identifies himself as Polish, bangs on about "Russophobic" comments, yet gleefully brings up Stepan Bandera. He's a Pole, what the hell does he care about supposed Russophobia, any more than he cares about Sinophobia, Francophobia or Anglophobia. He ontably, and tellingly, keeps silent about the Russian massacre of 22,000 Polish army officers and police in May 1940, at Katyn. The same government later would want to move Soviet troops into Poland to try and massacre striking shipyard workers at Gdansk, blocked by the Polish government declaring martial law. Even now, Moscow refuses to release historical documents related to the act of genocide, nor cooperate on the fate of Poles sent to the Gulags. There has been no apology from Russia. Further, in an insulting act, the Russian government downgraded the Katyn memorial in 2021, and by 2023, had ripped down all Polish flags from the site.

 

When the Katyn massacre was discovered, the Germans investigated. Naturally the Russians claimed the Germans were planting bodies They used exactly the same line over Bucha.

 

Ah, but you might say this was a natural Russian reaction to Polish government taking down memorial dedicated to glorifying the Soviet occupation army. But it started earlier.

 

In recent years the Kremlin has actively worked to turn commemoration of Katyn into a story of Russian patriotism. In 2018 a museum was opened near Katyn which contains a permanent exhibit about four centuries of Polish aggression against Russia. Putin said that it was the Polish governments fault for provoking war with the Nazis, so that therefore  Soviet annexations of territory were just to “protect” the Russian and Ukrainian inhabitants of Eastern Poland, once the Polish state had ceased to exist. Thus no Soviet invasion, no Soviet culpability. Putin is clearly a complete Berkshire Hunt.

On 9/5/2025 at 12:29 PM, Jingthing said:

My impression is that YOU are heartless and cynical, an aggressive repeater of misinformation, and a useful something something to Putin.

 

 

Its baked into him since adulthood. He has self-identified himself as a Communist and a supporter of the USSR until at least the early 1980s. He attended pro-Soviet conferences, walking past the protestors with clear placards accusing the USSR of Anti-Semitism (this was when the USSR blocked the emigration of Jewish dissidents. His enthusiasm for Communism seems to have wained when Gorbachov arrived, suggesting he is old school Communist.

 

They are well trained, the Soviet's Western supporters. Instinctually West is Bad, East is Good. They hunt for stories to support that, ie always seeking out negative stories about the Ukrainian military, and never once mentioning the similar manning problems the Russians have (arguably greater). Occasioanlly, the other training kicks in; this idea to let drip into the conversation a few opposing, but always conditional viewpoints, to create the impression they are more even handed, honest brokers.

 

At the 1920 Comintern, Lenin told the foreign communists they should not be "doctrinaire but flexible" and should not "spurn the opportunities that the capitalist world affords through its rotten freedoms."

 

So, communists ought not to reject the chance to use parliaments, and to work through trade unions; if an occasion warrants, they should join in a bloc or even enter the opportunistic socialist parties.

 

Russians, mostly men, walking across the border into Georgia to avoid conscription. Never saw such images during the Vietnam War

 

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On 9/5/2025 at 10:57 PM, Jingthing said:

You sound obsessed with your resentment about Ukrainians in Poland and very blind to the bigger picture.

 

Seems like a troll. I suspect not Polish. There are a few on the forum who are not what they seem. Eg there was someone claiming to be Russian who was probably British, in his mid-50s. Now gone silent.

On 9/5/2025 at 6:07 PM, Mike_Hunt said:

Your word salad won't change the fact that Russia invaded Ukraine to gain control over it  

Well, Vlad disagrees with you. In the latest talks with Lukashenko he said that he is just taking what belongs to him.

On 9/5/2025 at 7:49 AM, beautifulthailand99 said:

 

 

It’s almost as if Protestant paramilitaries in the Six Counties had been haranguing the nationalist minority and attacking the Republic, and at some point Britain decided to start funding arms for the UDF and its cohorts. I wouldn’t expect the Republic to remain impassive if that were the case and neither should anyone else.

 

 

 

There you are. You equate the Russian-Ukrainian war with the troubles. Your use of the term "6 Counties" marks you out as what some would call "Fenian", a sympathiser of the IRA etc. You  don't believe in the right of Northern Ireland to exist. You analogy of comparing Northern Ireland to Luhansk and Donetsk is completely arse about face. Northern Ireland is NOT a breakaway statelet of the Republic of Ireland.

 

You clearly don't believe Ukraine has any rights as a sovereign nation, hence your earlier quip dismissing the war as a Slavic civil wat. 

 

To apply Ireland as an analogy; a correct comparison would be for the Irish government to send arms and support to Armagh, Londonderry and Fermanagh (the Catholic majority counties). There was a fear in the 60s that the Irish Army would take over the North, hence Operation Banner, one of the outcomes of which was the construction of actually a really good road network in the North, created to aid the rapid deployment of the army to reinforce the border. At the time, most of the British Army was outside the UK, and it could have been achieved. The Irish Chief of Staff even drew up war plans, Operation Argamageddon, on the orders of the Irish PM Jack Lynch. An Irish takeover of the North would have left the UK in a difficult position.

 

But it didn't happen, so you can quit your filthy accusations comparing the present Putin Government to Harold Wilson.

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On 9/4/2025 at 6:33 PM, NoDisplayName said:

 

All they had to do was implement Minsk as promised, or not back out of the Istanbul agreements, in which case Ukraine (minus Crimea) would have remained whole.

 

 

 

So you would take Putin at his word.

 

The parties to do the implementing of Minsk I and II were Moscow and Kyiv. Russia backed the separatists militarily and politically while denying direct involvement. Russia did not allow Ukraine to regain control over its international border before demanding that Ukraine grant political concessions to the separatist-held areas. Russia continually supplied heavy weapons and fighters, undermining the ceasefire. Ukraine did pass some decentralization and special status laws, but refused to hold elections in Donetsk/Luhansk while Russia/separatists still controlled the territory. For Ukraine, it was unacceptable to legalize Russian-controlled “republics” without first restoring security and border control. Add to that, political resistance in Ukraine (across society and parliament) made Minsk’s political concessions almost impossible to implement. The Normandy Format, France and Germany, pushed for implementation but had no enforcement tools. Seperatists continually interfered with the OSCE, even kidnapping them at times. Russia remains the primary culprit for the failure of Minsk, because it never wanted it to succeed. The only thing driving the Istanbul talk's was Moscow;s realisation that their military was basically <deleted>, and they needed to buy time for the next phase.

2 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

Its baked into him since adulthood. He has self-identified himself as a Communist and a supporter of the USSR until at least the early 1980s. He attended pro-Soviet conferences, walking past the protestors with clear placards accusing the USSR of Anti-Semitism (this was when the USSR blocked the emigration of Jewish dissidents. His enthusiasm for Communism seems to have wained when Gorbachov arrived, suggesting he is old school Communist.

 

They are well trained, the Soviet's Western supporters. Instinctually West is Bad, East is Good. They hunt for stories to support that, ie always seeking out negative stories about the Ukrainian military, and never once mentioning the similar manning problems the Russians have (arguably greater). Occasioanlly, the other training kicks in; this idea to let drip into the conversation a few opposing, but always conditional viewpoints, to create the impression they are more even handed, honest brokers.

 

At the 1920 Comintern, Lenin told the foreign communists they should not be "doctrinaire but flexible" and should not "spurn the opportunities that the capitalist world affords through its rotten freedoms."

 

So, communists ought not to reject the chance to use parliaments, and to work through trade unions; if an occasion warrants, they should join in a bloc or even enter the opportunistic socialist parties.

 

Russians, mostly men, walking across the border into Georgia to avoid conscription. Never saw such images during the Vietnam War

 

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Tankies gonna tank ... 

 

Funny you show that picture  - in Ukraine thousands risk life and limb to flee the country. or pay mega dollars to corrupt officials to get pass-outs. Jingthing's cowards apparently who should be risking life and limb to fight this 'just' war. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67120904

 

While we do not know how those men escaped, we do know what methods were used by the other 21,113 who were caught trying. The majority - 14,313 - were attempting to walk or swim across the border, and the remaining 6,800 relied on fraudulently obtained official paperwork stating fake exemptions such as fabricated illnesses, the Ukrainian authorities said. 

 

“From now on I'm thinking only of me."

Major Danby replied indulgently with a superior smile: "But, Yossarian, suppose everyone felt that way."

"Then," said Yossarian, "I'd certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way, wouldn't I?”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22 

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1 hour ago, MicroB said:

 

 

There you are. You equate the Russian-Ukrainian war with the troubles. Your use of the term "6 Counties" marks you out as what some would call "Fenian", a sympathiser of the IRA etc. You  don't believe in the right of Northern Ireland to exist. You analogy of comparing Northern Ireland to Luhansk and Donetsk is completely arse about face. Northern Ireland is NOT a breakaway statelet of the Republic of Ireland.

 

You clearly don't believe Ukraine has any rights as a sovereign nation, hence your earlier quip dismissing the war as a Slavic civil wat. 

 

To apply Ireland as an analogy; a correct comparison would be for the Irish government to send arms and support to Armagh, Londonderry and Fermanagh (the Catholic majority counties). There was a fear in the 60s that the Irish Army would take over the North, hence Operation Banner, one of the outcomes of which was the construction of actually a really good road network in the North, created to aid the rapid deployment of the army to reinforce the border. At the time, most of the British Army was outside the UK, and it could have been achieved. The Irish Chief of Staff even drew up war plans, Operation Argamageddon, on the orders of the Irish PM Jack Lynch. An Irish takeover of the North would have left the UK in a difficult position.

 

But it didn't happen, so you can quit your filthy accusations comparing the present Putin Government to Harold Wilson.

Sir, with all due respect  quit your "filthy accusations" about supposed filthy accustions. Let's stick to facts and civil debate as all good men of conscience should do. 

2 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

Why do you think I am active on that forum?

Apologies Sir, I  assumed you had a self identified as an ARRSE member I may have assumed wrongly. 

On 9/7/2025 at 8:21 PM, beautifulthailand99 said:

Apologies Sir, I  assumed you had a self identified as an ARRSE member I may have assumed wrongly. 

 

No, you didn't read my reference did you. Because West Bad, East Good, your type is quick to jump to conclusions and make assumptions.

On 9/7/2025 at 8:04 PM, beautifulthailand99 said:

Sir, with all due respect  quit your "filthy accusations" about supposed filthy accustions. Let's stick to facts and civil debate as all good men of conscience should do. 

 

So why are you comparing Northern Ireland to seperatists in Donetsk and Luhansk, in a naked attempt to deflect? Why do you reference the "6 Counties", deliberately using provocative language that is normally employed by terrorist sympathisers. I think it was an attempt to inflame and provoke, and to avoid a "civil debate" by trying to define the War as some sort of "National Liberation Struggle", with the Russians framed as "Liberators", as you probably viewed them in East Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslavakia. Because in that sense, it fits your ideology, where you have repeatedly indicated this is all the fault of the West. Because West Bad, East Good. You are trying to intimate that Ukraine is an Imperialist Power, when it is Putin talking about evoking "Novorossiya"

 

What conscience did you have in 1979 when you walked past those Jewish protestors at Earls Court, to go look at the Soviet Propaganda Show? Back then, at least, you must have been a man of little conscience, given the world events of that time. When you decided, on this forum, and unprovoked, to draw attention to your attendance at the show, you deliberately chose a playful image showing Soviet fashoin models, to downplay the seriousness of that Regime.

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On 9/7/2025 at 8:01 PM, beautifulthailand99 said:

Tankies gonna tank ... 

 

Funny you show that picture  - in Ukraine thousands risk life and limb to flee the country. or pay mega dollars to corrupt officials to get pass-outs. Jingthing's cowards apparently who should be risking life and limb to fight this 'just' war. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67120904

 

While we do not know how those men escaped, we do know what methods were used by the other 21,113 who were caught trying. The majority - 14,313 - were attempting to walk or swim across the border, and the remaining 6,800 relied on fraudulently obtained official paperwork stating fake exemptions such as fabricated illnesses, the Ukrainian authorities said. 

 

“From now on I'm thinking only of me."

Major Danby replied indulgently with a superior smile: "But, Yossarian, suppose everyone felt that way."

"Then," said Yossarian, "I'd certainly be a damned fool to feel any other way, wouldn't I?”
― Joseph Heller, Catch-22 

 

Again, you repeat Pro-Russian Lies. 

 

By the 9th April 2022, the United Nations reported there were 4,441,663 Ukrainian refugees, 90% of whom were women and bairns.

 

By 2024, Migration Watch were reporting, for the UK, 217,000 Ukrainians in the UK, of which, 210,000 were admitted as part of the Ukraine Family and Sponsorship Scheme, about 30% of them were men, but 18% were men aged 18-64. It is no surprise that you are now calling women, children and old men "cowards". You draw false equivalence between Ukrainians in a War Zone, and Russians thousands of Kms from the fighting.

 

Of course the Russians fleeing Russia are not refugees, but could be described as dissidents., the same sort of dissidents that the USSR was stopping from leaving the USSR when you chose to attend a Soviet Fashion Show in 1979.

 

One estimate

 

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Other estimates indicate more than 800,000.

 

Russia's own estimates (Novaya Gazeta) indicated 261,000 Russian men left Russia in a 3 day period during September 2022 (source; the Kremlin).

 

So you are Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.

8 hours ago, MicroB said:

 

So why are you comparing Northern Ireland to seperatists in Donetsk and Luhansk, in a naked attempt to deflect? Why do you reference the "6 Counties", deliberately using provocative language that is normally employed by terrorist sympathisers. I think it was an attempt to inflame and provoke, and to avoid a "civil debate" by trying to define the War as some sort of "National Liberation Struggle", with the Russians framed as "Liberators", as you probably viewed them in East Germany, Hungary, and Czechoslavakia. Because in that sense, it fits your ideology, where you have repeatedly indicated this is all the fault of the West. Because West Bad, East Good. You are trying to intimate that Ukraine is an Imperialist Power, when it is Putin talking about evoking "Novorossiya"

 

What conscience did you have in 1979 when you walked past those Jewish protestors at Earls Court, to go look at the Soviet Propaganda Show? Back then, at least, you must have been a man of little conscience, given the world events of that time. When you decided, on this forum, and unprovoked, to draw attention to your attendance at the show, you deliberately chose a playful image showing Soviet fashoin models, to downplay the seriousness of that Regime.

 

We all use language that reflects our worldview. You seem to have a very partial view of Northern Ireland, which may be outside the scope here, but it appears aligned with the maximalist Protestant domination of the statelet in the years leading up to the civil rights movement. That movement simply sought equal rights and fair access to housing and employment on par with Protestants. For their efforts, however, peaceful demonstrations were met with violent resistance from paramilitaries. Initially, the Catholic community even welcomed the British Army, hoping it would defend them from escalating violence and pogroms.

 

As for the Jewish protests around the Soviet exhibition I’m not sure I witnessed them, or if I did, I no longer remember. What I do know is that Jewish progressives made an enormous impact on the development of socialism and Marxism. Marx himself was Jewish, as were Trotsky, Rosa Luxemburg, and countless others. It’s also worth noting that Russia hosts the only other self-governing Jewish autonomous state in the world, and historically was often more accommodating to Jews than many of the Ukrainian nationalists you appear to favour.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Autonomous_Oblast

 

And I don’t subscribe to a simplistic “Russia good, West bad” view. My position is straightforward: the UK is an island nation with nuclear weapons, but we are effectively bankrupt as a country, weighed down by vast entitlements and a shrinking productive economic base. Given this reality, we should step back from acting as the world’s policeman and stop trying to reshape the world on our own terms. And with the election of Trump who has effectively withdrawn support from international commitments the situation is doubly precarious. I subscribe to a realist, pragmatic view of the emerging world, not a knee-jerk reaction to the old one that is disappearing before our eyes, and one that could otherwise lead us toward World War III and a conflagration that might destroy us all.

 

Look at this video it came after Hungary - the "tankie" year of a break on the left , in the very year I was born. Only a fool discounts Russia’s ability to wage total war and rally its population behind it. The idea that it is “an Upper Volta with a gas station” is nonsense, peddled by those who wish to downplay the threat in order to gain support for provoking it. The Western crime is that we have goaded and manipulated Russia through Ukraine for decades, incubating this terrible impasse that is now slowly but surely destroying Ukraine, while also unraveling European security and weakening the projection of Western power.

 

As Lindsey Graham tellingly pointed out, the West has damaged the Russian economy and degraded its armed forces without a single drop of American blood being shed. Yet in the process, we have also crippled our own economies, especially Germany, the powerhouse of Europe. We have stripped our arsenals to the bone, leaving us barely able to fight a war against anyone, while driving Russia into the arms of China, the rising hegemon. We have even given North Korea the chance to gain combat experience, just as America edges toward abandoning South Korea to its fate.

 

When the history books are written, two pivotal moments will stand out in the decline of the West. The first was the fall of the Twin Towers what Osama bin Laden chillingly called “the beginning of the end of America” and the vast lives and treasure squandered chasing shadows in the Middle East. The second is Russia’s invasion of Ukraine, and NATO’s fateful wager under American leadership that it could “win” this confrontation.

 

As Thucydides warned, “the strong do what they can and the weak suffer what they must.” In this gamble, we risk proving ourselves neither strong nor wise.

 

Batten down the hatches -  everything is going to get worse everywhere - the Ukraine war is merely the amuse-bouche to that bloody buffet. 

 

 

 

 

Ultimately this was inevitable.

 

Any fool could see Ukraine could never win this war.

 

Zelensky and his British backers like Boris Johnson should live in infamy for all time for unleashing this totally unnecessary war.

 

The West wanted to bleed Russia dry with a proxy war and used the people of Ukraine as a pawn in their geo-political games.

 

Now the Russian soldier has again imposed his greater power and victory is Russia's what will become of Ukraine?

 

All those who supported this unnecessary war should look in the mirror and admit they were wrong.

 

 

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

Ultimately this was inevitable.

 

Any fool could see Ukraine could never win this war.

 

Zelensky and his British backers like Boris Johnson should live in infamy for all time for unleashing this totally unnecessary war.

 

The West wanted to bleed Russia dry with a proxy war and used the people of Ukraine as a pawn in their geo-political games.

 

Now the Russian soldier has again imposed his greater power and victory is Russia's what will become of Ukraine?

 

All those who supported this unnecessary war should look in the mirror and admit they were wrong.

 

 

Everyone could see they could not win the war, be it Afghanistan, Hitlers Germany rolled over Europe, Vietnam, but the most important between all of them, they never gave up. Finely there is no win in wars like this, just more destruction. As long the Ukrainians is willing to fight, we should support them as much we can 

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

As long the Ukrainians is willing to fight, we should support them as much we can 

 

No, because those who support this war, only prolong the killing of Ukrainian civilians and soldiers.

 

It is plain to see that Ukraine cannot win a war with Russia. Under no circumstances.

 

So supporting this war the West imposed on Zelensky, and Zelensky foolishly went along with, will only increase the number of Ukrainian civilians and soldiers killed.

3 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

No, because those who support this war, only prolong the killing of Ukrainian civilians and soldiers.

 

It is plain to see that Ukraine cannot win a war with Russia. Under no circumstances.

 

So supporting this war the West imposed on Zelensky, and Zelensky foolishly went along with, will only increase the number of Ukrainian civilians and soldiers killed.

After the invasion I would had agreed with you, but Ukrainians choosed to fight! And as we see the polarization between west and rest of the world, we need Ukrainians on our side. 

12 minutes ago, Hummin said:

but Ukrainians choosed to fight!

 

Yes, they also chose to jump into bed with the US, and the EU. They make one bad decision after another.

 

Why does the EU taxpayer have to finance stupidity?

 

This war has to stop.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Yes, they also chose to jump into bed with the US, and the EU. They make one bad decision after another.

 

Why does the EU taxpayer have to finance stupidity?

 

This war has to stop.

You worry about EU taxpayers? 

 

Trump made a big grab of Ukraines future resources? You do not want Trump to succeed with his deal securing Ukraine’s independence ?

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You worry about EU taxpayers? 

 

Trump made a big grab of Ukraines future resources? You do not want Trump to succeed with his deal securing Ukraine’s independence ?

 

The priority here is to restore peace to Ukraine, so civilians and soldiers are not dying anymore. Then rebuilding  Ukraine.

 

Just stopping the war will help the EU taxpayer.

 

Trump has every right to require Ukraine resources in exchange for the billions the US gave to UJkraine. For nothing.

18 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

The priority here is to restore peace to Ukraine, so civilians and soldiers are not dying anymore. Then rebuilding  Ukraine.

 

Just stopping the war will help the EU taxpayer.

 

Trump has every right to require Ukraine resources in exchange for the billions the US gave to UJkraine. For nothing.

And you become an useful ……. Because you believe in the MAGA BS

 

ignorance at its best. USA didn’t give anything without anything in return, but that is what Don wants you to believe. More lies from that side doesnt make it true. 

 

USA haven’t given more than Europe all together, and USA have indeed secured more return than EU members, or any other countries together. 

@Cameroni

 

Europe, as a collective entity, has provided more overall aid to Ukraine than the United States since the start of the war, though the U.S. remains the largest single donor. Recent data shows Europe collectively providing around $165.7 billion in aid (military, financial, and humanitarian) compared to the U.S.'s $130.6 billion between January 2022 and June 2025

 

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1303450/bilateral-aid-to-ukraine-in-a-percent-of-donor-gdp/

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1 hour ago, Cameroni said:

 

The priority here is to restore peace to Ukraine, so civilians and soldiers are not dying anymore. Then rebuilding  Ukraine.

 

Just stopping the war will help the EU taxpayer.

 

Trump has every right to require Ukraine resources in exchange for the billions the US gave to UJkraine. For nothing.

The trouble with that old saw is that Putin does not want peace. He wants Ukraine. So far, the only terms he's offered is SURRENDER. 

Just now, Jingthing said:

he trouble with that old saw is that Putin does not want peace. He wants Ukraine. So far, the only terms he's offered is SURRENDER. 

 

He didn't want all of Ukraine. But of course now, with clear victory in sight he may be more reluctant to offer a peace deal, 'tis true.

 

It should never happened, this war was a huge mistake by Boris Johnson, Biden and Zelensky.

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