21 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Your defense against the accusation of genocide is the Israelis are not slaughtering Palestinians at a sufficiently high rate?

 

How many Palestinians must Israel slaughter per day before it reaches the point you might even consider it to be a war crime, let alone genocide?

 

The key word for confirmation of genocide is intent.
Do you honestly believe that if Israel intended to commit genocide, they would only kill, on average, less than 90 people per day? Remember that those 90 people include combatants.

19 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Total extermination is not the only way to commit genocide.

 

Any one of five specific acts can be considered Genocide.

 

The five specific acts that constitute genocide are: killing members of the group, causing serious bodily or mental harm to group members, deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction, imposing measures to prevent births within the group, or forcibly transferring children of the group to another. 
 

Don’t offend human decency by telling me none of that is happening.

 

One of the criteria for genocide is that there has to be intent. Now, if there was intent to commit genocide, do you honestly believe that the IDF can only manage to kill less than 90 civilians per day in a densely populated area such as Gaza? 

16 minutes ago, loong said:

 

One of the criteria for genocide is that there has to be intent. Now, if there was intent to commit genocide, do you honestly believe that the IDF can only manage to kill less than 90 civilians per day in a densely populated area such as Gaza? 

Ask a better question, if the IDF wanted to wreck a genocide on the people of Gaza, why than' has the IDF lost 900 soldiers ground troops when they could decimate the whole population of the strip from the air without losing one foot soldier? 

15 minutes ago, loong said:

 

One of the criteria for genocide is that there has to be intent. Now, if there was intent to commit genocide, do you honestly believe that the IDF can only manage to kill less than 90 civilians per day in a densely populated area such as Gaza? 

 

You're missing the point.  Yes Israel could kill hundreds of thousands per day if they wanted, that would only be one kind of Genocide.

 

Their intent appears to be to make the area uninhabitable and facilitate their leaving to some place else.  That is also Genocide.

 

Netanyahu stated intent at the beginning of the conflict, it's why South Africa referred Israel to the ICJ because his stated intent of Genocide appears to be what is happening.

 

Let's take the 5 criteria and look at them one by one.

 

killing members of the group,

With over 80% civilian casualty, this looks likely.

 

 

causing serious bodily or mental harm to group members,

I believe Palestinians are being killed when simply looking for food, this is causing great mental harm to the entire population.  Holding back food aid also fits this category.

 

 

 

deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction, 

Destroying habitable properties? moving the population from one area to another then destroying their homes? Preventing food aid reaching them?

 

 

imposing measures to prevent births within the group, or forcibly transferring children of the group to another. 

Whilst there haven't been any forcible transfer of children, destroying hospitals and maternity wards seems to fit this category.

 

 

Is there intent?  I believe so.

 

Yawn.

A BBC report.

First warning to expect nothing but woke anti Israel Pro Palestinian bias - not far removed from Al Jazeera propaganda (whose reporters keep showing up fighting on the side with Hamas).

 

Second warning

All the information and associated agencies are from the UN, including the South African case. The ICJ and ICC are puppets of the UN.

UNRWA assists Hamas.

 

if you see the letters UN, think:

UN-professional

UN- ethical

UN-believable

UN-democratic

 

Feel free to add your own UN tags.

 

Bottom line

The UN and its agencies need to be disbanded in the same way the League of Nations was dismantled.

The UN is now made up of rogue nations with an agenda that is anti democratic, anti semitic, pro Islamosocialist, and aiming for control, including via the WHO and other largd international organisations run by socialists.

 

Be very careful believing any statements originating from these agencies as the data pumped out by them is formulated for misinformation and to control populations.

 

It is difficult to know what is fact or fiction, but try to retain commonsense and note when the fact checkers force retractions, sometimes months or years after the damage has been done.

30 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Ask a better question, if the IDF wanted to wreck a genocide on the people of Gaza, why than' has the IDF lost 900 soldiers ground troops when they could decimate the whole population of the strip from the air without losing one foot soldier? 

Ask a even better question. Over 65,000 people have been killed to a lost of 900 soldiers. Is that clear damning evidence of war crimes? 

It is bewildering that some are still debating whether this is a genocide.

Every day, I see countless videos, testimonies from doctors and international organizations, and live-streamed evidence confirming the reality of what is happening. We do not need genocide scholars to explain what we are already witnessing in real time.  We all see the indiscriminate killing, complete destruction and forced starvation of mainly civilians.

 

This is not only genocide—it is one of the worst genocides in modern history, documented by overwhelming evidence: testimonies, videos, images, and the staggering toll of hundreds of thousands of dead or injured men, women, and children. The genocide in Gaza is a permanent stain on the conscience of humanity.

1 hour ago, MrPhysio said:

Yawn.

A BBC report.

First warning to expect nothing but woke anti Israel Pro Palestinian bias - not far removed from Al Jazeera propaganda (whose reporters keep showing up fighting on the side with Hamas).

 

Second warning

All the information and associated agencies are from the UN, including the South African case. The ICJ and ICC are puppets of the UN.

UNRWA assists Hamas.

 

if you see the letters UN, think:

UN-professional

UN- ethical

UN-believable

UN-democratic

 

Feel free to add your own UN tags.

 

Bottom line

The UN and its agencies need to be disbanded in the same way the League of Nations was dismantled.

The UN is now made up of rogue nations with an agenda that is anti democratic, anti semitic, pro Islamosocialist, and aiming for control, including via the WHO and other largd international organisations run by socialists.

 

Be very careful believing any statements originating from these agencies as the data pumped out by them is formulated for misinformation and to control populations.

 

It is difficult to know what is fact or fiction, but try to retain commonsense and note when the fact checkers force retractions, sometimes months or years after the damage has been done.

Your post is UN-truthful and it surely isn’t UN-biased

2 hours ago, loong said:

 

One of the criteria for genocide is that there has to be intent. Now, if there was intent to commit genocide, do you honestly believe that the IDF can only manage to kill less than 90 civilians per day in a densely populated area such as Gaza? 

The key here is not just intent, but an authorative court ruling stating there has been Genocide committed by Israel and that can only be issued by the ICJ where Israel has not even presented their case in defense yet.

 

As the source article clearly states: The UN and a number of Western nations have said that they will only consider a ruling by a court that genocide is taking place as authoritative.

 

The original ICJ chief judge in its provisional statement has also clearly stated and clarified:

 

"The shorthand that often appears, which is that there's a plausible case of genocide, isn't what the court decided."

 

 

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37 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The key here is not just intent, but an authorative court ruling stating there has been Genocide committed by Israel and that can only be issued by the ICJ where Israel has not even presented their case in defense yet.

 

As the source article clearly states: The UN and a number of Western nations have said that they will only consider a ruling by a court that genocide is taking place as authoritative.

 

The original ICJ chief judge in its provisional statement has also clearly stated and clarified:

 

"The shorthand that often appears, which is that there's a plausible case of genocide, isn't what the court decided."

 

 

As others have pointed out, even Blind Freddy can see that Genocide is taking place.

 

Starvation, destruction of habitat, destruction of hospitals and other infrastructure, instilling terror in the population, it goes on and on.

 

In any event, Israel is guilty of Genocide in the court of world opinion & despised the world over.

 

 

4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

As others have pointed out, even Blind Freddy can see that Genocide is taking place.

 

Starvation, destruction of habitat, destruction of hospitals and other infrastructure, instilling terror in the population, it goes on and on.

 

In any event, Israel is guilty of Genocide in the court of world opinion & despised the world over.

 

 

But I'm not talking about what others can see even what your failed attempt at belittling by your reference to Blind Freddy, again I am sticking to the topic and not making baseless claims:

 

48 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The key here is not just intent, but an authorative court ruling stating there has been Genocide committed by Israel and that can only be issued by the ICJ where Israel has not even presented their case in defense yet.

 

As the source article clearly states: The UN and a number of Western nations have said that they will only consider a ruling by a court that genocide is taking place as authoritative.

 

The original ICJ chief judge in its provisional statement has also clearly stated and clarified:

 

"The shorthand that often appears, which is that there's a plausible case of genocide, isn't what the court decided."

 

 

 

10 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

As others have pointed out, even Blind Freddy can see that Genocide is taking place.

 

Starvation, destruction of habitat, destruction of hospitals and other infrastructure, instilling terror in the population, it goes on and on.

 

In any event, Israel is guilty of Genocide in the court of world opinion & despised the world over.

 

 

Wow, "even Blind Freddy" can see it. That's a really strong argument. Right up there with "everyone knows" and "It's common knowledge". 

...

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

But I'm not talking about what others can see even what your failed attempt at belittling by your reference to Blind Freddy, again I am sticking to the topic and not making baseless claims:

 

 

 

failed attempt at belittling?

 

Isn't that what you just did?

3 hours ago, loong said:

 

The key word for confirmation of genocide is intent.
Do you honestly believe that if Israel intended to commit genocide, they would only kill, on average, less than 90 people per day? Remember that those 90 people include combatants.

I don’t try to second guess the thinking of genocidal regimes.

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I don’t try to second guess the thinking of genocidal regimes.

Why not? 

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

failed attempt at belittling?

 

Isn't that what you just did?

I didn't introduce Blind Freddy, you did that, try getting back on topic

 

"The IAGS say their resolution has no bearing on any case put forward to an international court."

11 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Wow, "even Blind Freddy" can see it. That's a really strong argument. Right up there with "everyone knows" and "It's common knowledge". 

 

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I didn't introduce Blind Freddy, you did that, try getting back on topic

 

"The IAGS say their resolution has no bearing on any case put forward to an international court."

 

 

I didn't introduce Blind Freddy, if you read the entire thread, you would see another member made the Blind Freddy statement.  It's a sentiment I agree with.

 

 

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

 

I didn't introduce Blind Freddy, if you read the entire thread, you would see another member made the Blind Freddy statement.  It's a sentiment I agree with.

 

 

Really strong dude, you and Chomper, two peas in a pod. 

5 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

 

 

I didn't introduce Blind Freddy, if you read the entire thread, you would see another member made the Blind Freddy statement.  It's a sentiment I agree with.

 

 

I responded to you, nobody else

33 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

As others have pointed out, even Blind Freddy can see that Genocide is taking place.

 

Starvation, destruction of habitat, destruction of hospitals and other infrastructure, instilling terror in the population, it goes on and on.

 

In any event, Israel is guilty of Genocide in the court of world opinion & despised the world over.

 

 

Again try getting back on topic, your deflection to the topic and facts shows it triggers you

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I responded to you, nobody else

Again try getting back on topic, your deflection to the facts triggers you

 

I am not the one deflecting here, this topic is about Israel being accused of Genocide.

 

Starvation, destruction of habitat, destruction of hospitals and other infrastructure, instilling terror in the population, it goes on and on.

 

I've made my position clear, I believe Israel is committing Genocide.

 

You are right in some respects, attempts by anyone to normalise or justify what Israel is doing does trigger my sense of moral outrage.

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

 

I am not the one deflecting here, this topic is about Israel being accused of Genocide.

 

Starvation, destruction of habitat, destruction of hospitals and other infrastructure, instilling terror in the population, it goes on and on.

 

I've made my position clear, I believe Israel is committing Genocide.

 

You are right in some respects, attempts by anyone to normalise or justify what Israel is doing does trigger my sense of moral outrage.

I've made my position clear, I believe Israel is committing Genocide.

 

I know what you believe and I really don't care, this has been discussed numerous time in dozens of other topics that deal with it.

 

Again back on topic

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

The key here is not just intent, but an authorative court ruling stating there has been Genocide committed by Israel and that can only be issued by the ICJ where Israel has not even presented their case in defense yet.

 

As the source article clearly states: The UN and a number of Western nations have said that they will only consider a ruling by a court that genocide is taking place as authoritative.

 

The original ICJ chief judge in its provisional statement has also clearly stated and clarified:

 

"The shorthand that often appears, which is that there's a plausible case of genocide, isn't what the court decided."

 

 

 

8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

I am not the one deflecting here, this topic is about Israel being accused of Genocide.

 

Starvation, destruction of habitat, destruction of hospitals and other infrastructure, instilling terror in the population, it goes on and on.

 

I've made my position clear, I believe Israel is committing Genocide.

 

You are right in some respects, attempts by anyone to normalise or justify what Israel is doing does trigger my sense of moral outrage.

Yes, and that Blind Freddy sees it, is all the evidence you need.  

22 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

Jews have been victims of attempted genocide for more than  2,000 years.  That's why they defend Israel so strongly.  Never again is now!

 

 

Hamas will come under attack as long as they fail to recognize Israel's right to exist and continue to make terrorist attacks on Israelis.  If Hamas surrenders, the conflict will end.

 

 

 

The U.S. would veto any U.N. resolution aimed at sending U.N. forces against Israel, so that's not going to happen.  And even if such a resolution were able to pass, what countries would be willing to send their troops to confront the IDF?  The IDF is probably the best trained and equipped military force in the world and definitely the most experienced in modern war.

 

 

Which country's air force would be capable of carpet bombing Israel?  Or is that just fantasy thought on your part, since gas chambers are no longer a realistic possibility?  Remember, Jews won't walk to their slaughter this time round.  Never again is now!

Pretty much any country! Their iron dome clearly doesn’t work AND they totally brought this onto themselves! The Zionist’s are the reason why we have this problem in the first place! 

22 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

Jews have been victims of attempted genocide for more than  2,000 years.  That's why they defend Israel so strongly.  Never again is now!

 

 

Hamas will come under attack as long as they fail to recognize Israel's right to exist and continue to make terrorist attacks on Israelis.  If Hamas surrenders, the conflict will end.

 

 

 

The U.S. would veto any U.N. resolution aimed at sending U.N. forces against Israel, so that's not going to happen.  And even if such a resolution were able to pass, what countries would be willing to send their troops to confront the IDF?  The IDF is probably the best trained and equipped military force in the world and definitely the most experienced in modern war.

 

 

Which country's air force would be capable of carpet bombing Israel?  Or is that just fantasy thought on your part, since gas chambers are no longer a realistic possibility?  Remember, Jews won't walk to their slaughter this time round.  Never again is now!

You can down vote my posts for as long as you want, doesn’t change the fact that zionists brought this upon themselves. There’s more than enough Israelis who say the exact same thing, but hey, keep your head in the sand, so you can hold on to your ridiculous view on the subject matter!   

5 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

You're missing the point.  Yes Israel could kill hundreds of thousands per day if they wanted, that would only be one kind of Genocide.

 

Their intent appears to be to make the area uninhabitable and facilitate their leaving to some place else.  That is also Genocide.

 

Netanyahu stated intent at the beginning of the conflict, it's why South Africa referred Israel to the ICJ because his stated intent of Genocide appears to be what is happening.

 

Let's take the 5 criteria and look at them one by one.

 

killing members of the group,

With over 80% civilian casualty, this looks likely.

 

 

causing serious bodily or mental harm to group members,

I believe Palestinians are being killed when simply looking for food, this is causing great mental harm to the entire population.  Holding back food aid also fits this category.

 

 

 

deliberately inflicting conditions of life calculated to bring about the group's physical destruction, 

Destroying habitable properties? moving the population from one area to another then destroying their homes? Preventing food aid reaching them?

 

 

imposing measures to prevent births within the group, or forcibly transferring children of the group to another. 

Whilst there haven't been any forcible transfer of children, destroying hospitals and maternity wards seems to fit this category.

 

 

Is there intent?  I believe so.

 

Talking about intent? why not? let's talk, Hamas, on several occasions, has declared HIS INTENTS to repeat the 7th of October and over again, now, facing such threats, what would anyone else in the world do, and this BS saying that innocent people died, well, could anyone one be more innocent than an Israeli baby who were beheaded, burned and kidnaped?

What were the excuses for that? 

4 minutes ago, ezzra said:

Talking about intent? why not? let's talk, Hamas, on several occasions, has declared HIS INTENTS to repeat the 7th of October and over again, now, facing such threats, what would anyone else in the world do, and this BS saying that innocent people died, well, could anyone one be more innocent than an Israeli baby who were beheaded, burned and kidnaped?

What were the excuses for that? 

 

Nobody is saying what Hamas did is ok.

 

The problem is what Israel is doing.

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Nobody is saying what Hamas did is ok.

 

The problem is what Israel is doing.

 

    Hamas need to be stopped from doing what they did again .

There cannot be another Oct 7 th 

8 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Hamas need to be stopped from doing what they did again .

There cannot be another Oct 7 th 

No. He says: "The problem is what Israel is doing." Israel is stopping Hamas, and he sees that as a problem.