36 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Jews have been victims of attempted genocide for more than  2,000 years.  That's why they defend Israel so strongly.  Never again is now!

They are not defending Israel, its collective punishment. And as stated in the OP, genocide.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/mde150212008eng.pdf

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2025/05/israel-opt-two-months-of-cruel-and-inhumane-siege-are-further-evidence-of-israels-genocidal-intent-in-gaza/

6 minutes ago, JimCM said:

In 2017 Hamas changed their charter, saying they would accept the 1967 borders.

 

 

   The original charter states that no changes or alterations  can be made to the original charter , so any changes were obsolete 

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The original charter states that no changes or alterations  can be made to the original charter , so any changes were obsolete 

Hamas has issued political revisions in practice. More importantly, Israel’s conduct in Gaza is judged under international humanitarian and criminal law, not by what Hamas’s charter says.

On 9/2/2025 at 3:32 PM, Bkk Brian said:

That means 24% voted in favor of this resolution, making you wonder what the other 76% think. Not exactly a vote of confidence for this resolution!

Probably they are Israeli.

 

5 hours ago, yardrunner said:

The fact that Hamas orchestrated a genocidal attack on Israel does not mean that Israel is not organising a genocidal attack in Gaza

That is not a fact. It was an attack but not genocidal. 

37 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

Jews have been victims of attempted genocide for more than  2,000 years.  That's why they defend Israel so strongly.  Never again is now!

 

 

Hamas will come under attack as long as they fail to recognize Israel's right to exist and continue to make terrorist attacks on Israelis.  If Hamas surrenders, the conflict will end.

 

 

 

The U.S. would veto any U.N. resolution aimed at sending U.N. forces against Israel, so that's not going to happen.  And even if such a resolution were able to pass, what countries would be willing to send their troops to confront the IDF?  The IDF is probably the best trained and equipped military force in the world and definitely the most experienced in modern war.

 

 

Which country's air force would be capable of carpet bombing Israel?  Or is that just fantasy thought on your part, since gas chambers are no longer a realistic possibility?  Remember, Jews won't walk to their slaughter this time round.  Never again is now!

Never again genocide! The evil state of Israel has to stop murdering innocent Palestinians.

Actually you believe murderer's propaganda. Attention: only half of the Gaza people have a connection to Hamas. And not all of those are fighting. Only a small part called Al Quassam.

Obviously you never heard about.

The other half are Fatah members. Obviously you never heard about it. They all not fighting but want to have peace which the murderers are not granting. Instead they are killing everybody who dares to move.

I thought The Jews learnt from history. Apparently they don't. 

Maybe it will back fire once.

30 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The original charter states that no changes or alterations  can be made to the original charter , so any changes were obsolete 

And Black is White

 

On 9/2/2025 at 3:32 PM, Bkk Brian said:

So only 86% of the 28% voted in favor of this resolution, which comes out to 120 out of the 500 members of this supposed organization that I've never heard of until today. That means 24% voted in favor of this resolution, making you wonder what the other 76% think. Not exactly a vote of confidence for this resolution!

It is not a supposed organization.

24% is a considerable number, hence the article and its presence here.

These are genocide experts. If the 76% didn’t vote, it prolly means they don’t think its not a genocide 

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Just now, JimCM said:

It is not a supposed organization.

24% is a considerable number, hence the article and its presence here.

These are genocide experts. If the 76% didn’t vote, it prolly means they don’t think its not a genocide 

 If the 76% didn’t vote, it prolly means they don’t think its not a genocide

 

If you say so...........lol

37 minutes ago, JimCM said:

Hamas has issued political revisions in practice. More importantly, Israel’s conduct in Gaza is judged under international humanitarian and criminal law, not by what Hamas’s charter says.

 

    Really doesn't matter .

Hamas need to be removed from the equation .

They need to be eliminated , to become non existent  .

Which is in the process of happening .

Doesn't really matter whats in their charter

 

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 If the 76% didn’t vote, it prolly means they don’t think its not a genocide

 

If you say so...........lol

Presumably, the vote was Yes it’s genocide or abstain rather than for or against.

 

It’s highly likely that those interested in this organization are those that genocide has historically affected, specifically, Jews, Israelis, Armenians etc and it’s unlikely that any Jew or Israeli is going to support such a motion.

 

I see the support for Israel’s actions here comes from some people I know personally and they are Israelis and/or Jews.

 

Several of my friends locally are Jews, some of those are Israelis and few of them support Israel at this point. They all supported Israel much earlier.

 

Netanyahu is destroying Israel’s reputation on the world stage.

 

I predicted the way the world would view Israel in late 2023 when I talked about proportionality.

 

My question is when will the USA stop supporting Israel?

 

I don’t think that’s very far away.

3 hours ago, connda said:

The shoe obviously fits. 

At some point in the future those crimes of genocide and ethnic cleansing by far-right Israeli government official and settlers will be prosecuted. Just a matter of time.

As Israel is not a member of the ICC, (nor is the USA), which (group or country) will do the prosecuting?

 

If it is Israel itself, please don't expect many successful prosecutions , long prison sentences or even death sentences, despite the war crimes and crimes against humanity. IMHO it will not be allowed to happen.

 

If it is the ICJ,  which both Israel and the USA refuse to recognise, I don't really expect any co-operation from either country and if the ICJ does prosecute, then again IMHO there will be appeals for years and years.

 

How about the USA, whose inexhaustible supply of arms and ammunition has enabled this?

 

Who would be complicit in this, and how years back would any prosecution go, and to what level?

 

How about other countries such as the UK, the EU and all the other countries who have supplied Israel with weapons and/or ammunition to enable them to carry out the crimes. Would they be prosecuted as well?

 

By the time that all gets sorted out, most of the people will have died of old age anyway.

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

Jews have been victims of attempted genocide for more than  2,000 years.  That's why they defend Israel so strongly.  Never again is now!

I, like most of those on these forums, detest this type of violence and condemn the perpetrators to the fullest.

Being woke, I remember the extent of the horrors perpetrated on the Jews in the 1940s by the German Nazis:

- They were identified as a group whose existence posed a threat to the state.
- They were discriminated against because of their race and religion.
- Their businesses, homes, and lands were confiscated by the state.
- They were driven into small, concentrated areas.
- There, they were starved and killed - men, women, and children, with the objective of exterminating them all.
We should all remember these things and be thankful that there is no state doing this to a minority in their land today.

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Presumably, the vote was Yes it’s genocide or abstain rather than for or against.

 

It’s highly likely that those interested in this organization are those that genocide has historically affected, specifically, Jews, Israelis, Armenians etc and it’s unlikely that any Jew or Israeli is going to support such a motion.

 

I see the support for Israel’s actions here comes from some people I know personally and they are Israelis and/or Jews.

 

Several of my friends locally are Jews, some of those are Israelis and few of them support Israel at this point. They all supported Israel much earlier.

 

Netanyahu is destroying Israel’s reputation on the world stage.

 

I predicted the way the world would view Israel in late 2023 when I talked about proportionality.

 

My question is when will the USA stop supporting Israel?

 

I don’t think that’s very far away.

My question is when will the USA stop supporting Israel?

 

Ask them, this topic and my post has no bearing on that whatsoever

7 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I, like most of those on these forums, detest this type of violence and condemn the perpetrators to the fullest.

Being woke, I remember the extent of the horrors perpetrated on the Jews in the 1940s by the German Nazis:

- They were identified as a group whose existence posed a threat to the state.
- They were discriminated against because of their race and religion.
- Their businesses, homes, and lands were confiscated by the state.
- They were driven into small, concentrated areas.
- There, they were starved and killed - men, women, and children, with the objective of exterminating them all.
We should all remember these things and be thankful that there is no state doing this to a minority in their land today.

and now it's vice versa. The Palestinians are the discriminated. Their homes are bombed. They are killed. They are exterminated. I hope Israael will have to pay once for this genocide.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The original charter states that no changes or alterations  can be made to the original charter , so any changes were obsolete 

However the world in reality, including Palestine, moves on. Stick in the mud's like you, stay in the past.

I'd say it doesn't even take a top scholar's expertise; it is clear for all to see that this is genocide. 

10 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Yes, I'm against murders. I'm against genocides. 

You are so embedded in murder propaganda that you ignore the facts or can't see them anymore.

Are you sure that last sentence doesn't apply to you? (with all due respect)

6 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Are you sure that last sentence doesn't apply to you? (with all due respect)

No regrets

1 hour ago, billd766 said:

However the world in reality, including Palestine, moves on. Stick in the mud's like you, stay in the past.

 

   Whatever changes are made are invalid

Jews have colonised Palestine ever since Zionism took off (125 years or so). There were a small minority in the 19th century in Palestine. With the fall of the Ottoman empire and the stupid Balfour declaration, it really took off after world war one. The Arabs revolted in 1936 against this and the UK agreed to limit Jewish migration. But WW2 and the holocaust saw a massive wave of illegal migration of Jews to Palestine. The UN partition proposal (heavily backed by the USA) gave the majority of the land to the Jews - war was inevitable. Many Palestinians were expelled during the war, and Israel's policy has been one of Apartheid in the territories occupied after the 1967 war. Aim was, to get the Arabs to leave. This pressure has slowly been racked up in the West bank and in Gaza, Settlers gradually occupying Palestinian land in the West bank. 

 

Half of the Palestinians now live elsewhere. Israel would prefer 100%. Hamas's 2023 attack was a last ditch attempt to get the world to pay attention, now they see what has been happening. Western governments have been loath to condemn Israel, but the majority in Europe see the reality.

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

- They were discriminated against because of their race and religion.
- Their businesses, homes, and lands were confiscated by the state.
- They were driven into small, concentrated areas.
- There, they were starved and killed - men, women, and children, with the objective of exterminating them all.
 

This sounds a lot like Israel and Gaza (add the West Bank to that).

 

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

My question is when will the USA stop supporting Israel?

 

Ask them, this topic and my post has no bearing on that whatsoever

 

You have gone from vociferous support of Israel in the past in multiple roles (threads) to “not me, ask someone else”.
 

Why the change?

I think WH Auden’s poem of September 1939 is prophetic.

 

It first applied to the penalties enacted on Germany after the 1st world war which triggered the Nazi movement .

 

Today it applies to Israel whose evil is propagated on the Palestinians.

 

Ultimately, the October the 7th atrocity was a result of the evil of the Nakbah.

 

The poem states

 

"I and the public know

 

What all schoolchildren learn,

 

Those to whom evil is done

 

Do evil in return". 

33 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

This sounds a lot like Israel and Gaza (add the West Bank to that).

 

 

You have gone from vociferous support of Israel in the past in multiple roles (threads) to “not me, ask someone else”.
 

Why the change?

Desperate baiting and off topic deflection to my post. Again

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Desperate baiting and off topic deflection to my post. Again

 

Your post here was to try and discredit the group that voted in favour of declaring Israel’s actions in Gaza “Genocidal”.

 

Now you’re the one deflecting every question.

 

 

13 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

Your post here was to try and discredit the group that voted in favour of declaring Israel’s actions in Gaza “Genocidal”.

 

Now you’re the one deflecting every question.

 

 

My post was a direct quote from the source. BBC 

 

Don't tell me what my intentions were.  They were quoting facts. Enough of your troll baiting. This is not about me or my intentions. 

3 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

Presumably, the vote was Yes it’s genocide or abstain rather than for or against.

 

It’s highly likely that those interested in this organization are those that genocide has historically affected, specifically, Jews, Israelis, Armenians etc and it’s unlikely that any Jew or Israeli is going to support such a motion.

 

I see the support for Israel’s actions here comes from some people I know personally and they are Israelis and/or Jews.

 

Several of my friends locally are Jews, some of those are Israelis and few of them support Israel at this point. They all supported Israel much earlier.

 

Netanyahu is destroying Israel’s reputation on the world stage.

 

I predicted the way the world would view Israel in late 2023 when I talked about proportionality.

 

My question is when will the USA stop supporting Israel?

 

I don’t think that’s very far away.

The views of those who did not vote can only be stated as ‘unknown’.

 

Claims to anything other than ‘unknown’ are baseless nonsense.

Lush has temporarily closed all its UK stores in an act of “solidarity with Gaza” amid Israel’s war against Hamas.

 

The cosmetics giant, which operates more than 100 stores across the country, including 12 in London, also shut its factories on Wednesday.

 

Visitors to lush.com are greeted with a page in the colours of the Palestinian flag, which reads: “Stop starving Gaza. We are closed in solidarity.”

 

Lush shuts all UK stores, factories and website in 'solidarity with Gaza' amid Israel’s war against Hamas

 

 

12 minutes ago, bannork said:

Lush has temporarily closed all its UK stores in an act of “solidarity with Gaza” amid Israel’s war against Hamas.

 

The cosmetics giant, which operates more than 100 stores across the country, including 12 in London, also shut its factories on Wednesday.

 

Visitors to lush.com are greeted with a page in the colours of the Palestinian flag, which reads: “Stop starving Gaza. We are closed in solidarity.”

 

Lush shuts all UK stores, factories and website in 'solidarity with Gaza' amid Israel’s war against Hamas

 

 

 

   Stocking taking day and free publicity  ?