2 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Just a couple of things to note about your post: –

 

Firstly, I don't consume "leftist propaganda" as I'm not on that side of the political spectrum, more right of centre.

Secondly, you state that "Charlie Kirk has his opinions as a moderate conservative Christian" whereas he is almost always described as a far right activist, so there is a big gap between that and your opinion of him.

 

And you also said that "silencing Charlie Kirk........ was a big mistake by the left", but the shooter came from a staunchly Republican family??

 

As for me spouting vitriol, I just post what is known about this (late) particularly nasty person, so I don't need to look in the mirror because as I've often said on here I am on the right side of centre, but certainly not far right like Kirk.

 

You speak about me and "leftist propaganda" and the fact that Kirk was a kind of, "let's have a conversation" guy so he was open to debate, but what you fail to see is that this is just a stepping stone to bringing young people over to the far right side of his views, i.e. recruiting young folk for the far right agenda.
 

 

 

Well put....I would also add......

 

This notion that he was open to debate is a farce.......it was just a guise, a platform to get his message across, to indoctrinate and most importantly make him millions.

 

Open to debate?....how many instances are there of him experiencing an epiphany?......None.

 

Republicans openly brag about his ability to bring 1000s of college students under the right wing umbrella.

I saw the video of this kid reading his full scholarship letter.

So sad to think of what his life could have been.

Obviously he destroyed others but he destroyed himself as well.

So tragic.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

I don't wish to hear a leftist justifying the young fathers murder.

 

Just as I avoided the assassination video.

 

Enjoy though 

 

Well if you were able to read between the lines you would know that there was absolutely nothing that I said that justified his assassination. I'm just simply examining the root causes for that kind of behavior, it's a free and open discussion and free and open discussions tend to be much more effective if one is able to maintain an open mind and not jump to conclusions based on political beliefs and dogma. 

 

And the father thing is really tired, a very lame trope, it's very similar to the whole thoughts and prayers thing. It doesn't really mean anything. After all most people are fathers and mothers, so what? 

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Not if Trump, Vance and Miller can help it.......the murder of Kirk is a golden opportunity for them.

 

This is an example of the future.....

 

 

I totally agree, but those guys are hateful morons without an ounce of common sense in their entire bodies, and hearts as black as coal. 

43 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Do you think that anyone that has a different opinion to the leftist propaganda you consume and says it out loud is spewing hatred?  Thats an insane position to hold.  How do you think civilization got to where it did?  By not debating ideas and just singing off a single hymn sheet?   

 

Charlie Kirk has his opinions as a moderate conservative christian and actually went to campuses to debate people who held different opinions to him in good faith.  Who is his equivalent on the left who would go to right wing events and debate in good faith with conservatives?   There are not any, as the left tends to think along the same lines as you, that there is only one valid opinion and everyone who disagrees is spewing hatred and is a fascist/nazi etc.   

 

Silencing Charlie Kirk by murdering him was probably a big mistake by the left.   The vitriol (not too indifferent to what you spout) about him led a mentally unbalanced leftist propaganda believer to assassinate him.   He was the "lets have a conversation guy" and would have welcomed you to debate his views in good faith.   If you are pleased in any way that you do not have that opportunity any more then perhaps its time to have a good hard look in the mirror at what you are.

The left didn’t murder Charlie Kirk.

 

 

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

I agree with that statement, because he made some very hateful and hurtful comments and he made them under the guise of being a "Christian", and this was probably to align himself with the "Christian beliefs" that Trump espouses – – yeah right, what utter nonsense, but his followers are unable to see that trump's actions are not those of good Christians.

 

What probably doesn't sit well with many on this forum is the fact that the shooter came from a staunchly Republican family, so make of that what you will.

 

Kirk's rhetoric about blacks, Jews and others was well known and he spewed this hatred whenever he could.......

Here are some of the issues Kirk focused on and where he stood:
Gender identity
Kirk appealed to conservative Christians who feared the growing acceptance of the LGBTQ+ community in the US. He was critical of gay and transgender rights and the separation of church and state.
Gun control
Kirk was a strong supporter of gun rights.
“I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights,” he said..
Climate change
Kirk frequently dismissed concerns about climate change, even as polling showed that young conservative voters prioritise the issue. He said incorrectly that there was no scientific consensus on global warming.
Free speech
Kirk was a self-declared supporter of free speech, and Turning Point USA was known for its free speech advocacy.
Critics have argued that Kirk’s promotion of free speech was tinged with hypocrisy, pointing to Turning Point USA’s “Professor Watchlist”, in which students were asked to list professors with leftist positions.
Race
Kirk believed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a destructive force in American politics, calling its passage a “mistake” that he said has been turned into “an anti-white weapon”.
He also blamed the Rev. Martin Luther King jnr for the law and was highly critical of the slain civil rights leader, calling him an “awful” person.

Kirk was also a staunch opponent of affirmative action and was highly critical of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, calling her a “diversity hire” who wasn’t qualified to serve on the highest court.

Anti-Semitism
Kirk was repeatedly accused of anti-Semitism, including by fellow conservatives like Benjamin Domenech and Erick Erickson.
He was a proponent of “replacement theory”, a once-fringe conspiracy theory positing that Jews are trying to replace white Americans with non-white immigrants. That ideology motivated the gunman who killed 11 worshippers at a Pittsburgh synagogue in 2018.

Kirk also accused Jewish philanthropists of fomenting anti-whiteness by supporting liberal anti-racism causes like the Black Lives Matter movement.

“The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country,” he said on his show in 2023.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/where-influential-us-right-wing-activist-charlie-kirk-stood-on-key-political-issues/JH6FYGTS5RBABLH2VXR3BF575Y/

Thank you for pointing out some of the positions of this very hateful and vile man. Yes it is very inconvenient that his family are staunchly Republican. Makes some of Trumps recent statements sound like even more nonsense than what usually comes out of his mouth. And that is saying alot. 

 

 

Gotta be Biden’s fault. 😎

1 hour ago, Will B Good said:

Every religion attempts to indoctrinate children into their religion

Agree, and some more strongly than others, because I remember as a kid having to go to Sunday School to be taught the Christian faith, and more to the point, even at my prestigious grammar school, we had to attend lessons on RI (religious instruction), which soon became a bit of a joke because no one in the classroom was interested!
 

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

I most certainly don't condone political assassinations on any level, but for those that are looking for motives I think that's a bit naive. This guy was a bit of a pig, he said some very ugly things on a consistent basis, he was hateful in his speech, he was a demonizer, and he created a lot of discord, rancor and division. 

 

There's no question that things are becoming more divided by the day, and I think it's safe to presume that we're going to see more of this kind of stuff happening, we're going to see more banking, Healthcare, big pharma, and insurance CEOs assassinated. It's just inevitable that we're going to start seeing signs of anarchy, people are very frustrated, society seems to be unraveling, very hateful speech that Trump and his cohorts engage in on a daily basis is not helping one iota, and the vast majority of people feel really left out in the cold. 

 

In the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination, part of a distressing wave of political violence stalking this country, it would seem that the United States is coming apart at the seams, poised at the precipice of disintegration. So much hatred, so much anger, so much toxic rot, and so many, many guns. We are boiling a poisonous stew. Can anyone save us? Is there anyone or anything that can possibly cool us to a simmer, at least? At this time, it appears not—in fact, frighteningly, the rage that got us to this grim, spooky moment seems only to be spiraling.

 

Charlie Kirk had barely been declared dead when President Trump hideously used his killing to falsely blame and attack the Left. Trump seized the moment of widespread mourning to spread more hatred and division, in a reckless, angry televised speech that hurled blame at the Left despite not a scintilla of evidence about Kirk’s assassin or their politics. In a predictable yet grotesque display, Trump raged, “For years, those on the radical Left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world’s worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we’re seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.”

 

Charlie Kirk, and many other haters led us into it. Kirk became a wealthy influencer by spreading toxic rage and fear and division.

 

We can honor the sadness millions are feeling over Kirk’s murder, and maintain basic civil human decency, while also being honest about the deeply harmful and offensive things Charlie Kirk said. We can condemn political violence and Kirk’s murder while also condemning Charlie Kirk for the rotten, vile hatred he fomented.

 

And yes, while respecting that many are mourning, this is precisely the time to remind people of the hatred and division Kirk sowed and profited handsomely from.

And you put out your own fair share of hate with your constant name calling. 

1 minute ago, xylophone said:

Agree, and some more strongly than others, because I remember as a kid having to go to Sunday School to be taught the Christian faith, and more to the point, even at my prestigious grammar school, we had to attend lessons on RI (religious instruction), which soon became a bit of a joke because no one in the classroom was interested!
 

 

I frequently post on other forums.....

 

Imagine two or three generations raised with no indoctrination into a religion.......no exposure, no discussions until 18 years of age.

 

 

What a world we might might live in.

24 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I totally agree, but those guys are hateful morons without an ounce of common sense in their entire bodies, and hearts as black as coal. 

more hateful name calling, ok for your but not for others

 

Troll posts trying to intimidate other posters has been removed 

 

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WSJ with lots and lots of egg on their face, just like most of the resident MAGA fanboys. So, so much egg.

 

WSJ Torched for False Report of ‘Trans Ideology’ on Charlie Kirk Shooter’s Bullets

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/wsj-torched-false-report-trans-000205987.html

 

"The Wall Street Journal is being widely criticized for running a poorly sourced report, that was almost immediately debunked and ultimately proven false, that attempted to connect transgender people to Charlie Kirk’s murder.

Within an hour the New York Times, citing multiple AFT sources, reported that these claims were likely not true. Nevertheless, these false claims contributed to already increasingly violent rhetoric from right wing figures, including President Donald Trump, who were asserting without evidence that Kirk’s killer was from the political left.

But on Friday, Kirk’s killer was identified as Tyler Robinson, a 22-year-old white Mormon man unregistered to any political party, whose parents are both active Republicans."

The cause is clear, the killer was full of hatred. He left the path of good and ventured onto the path of darkness and hatred. Much like some on this thread.

 

Tylor Robinson cannot escape Karma for his hate-filled muderous acts, motivated by ultra-leftist ANTIFA propaganda.

 

Death Penalty for this vicious leftist killer, Tylor Robinson soon please.

 

Then we need to root out the cause of his delusion, ultra-leftist propaganda like the one spewed by ANTIFA.

1 minute ago, BLMFem said:

who were asserting without evidence that Kirk’s killer was from the political left.

 

Why are you posting false propaganda? It is firmly established that the killer was an ultra-leftist anti-fascist.

 

Why all the lies from the left?

3 hours ago, novacova said:

Gos to show how malleable young hungry minds can be, easily impressed and indoctrinated by the loudest voices of peers and/or social media politicians and media propaganda.

Got that right.

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Why are you posting false propaganda? It is firmly established that the killer was an ultra-leftist anti-fascist.

 

Why all the lies from the left?

Has to be from the Left.  The Right does not do this.  The Left is a violent bunch.

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

I frequently post on other forums.....

 

Imagine two or three generations raised with no indoctrination into a religion.......no exposure, no discussions until 18 years of age.

 

 

What a world we might might live in.

I take your point, Will, however I do see another side to this argument, inasmuch as religion in whatever form can be construed in whichever way the believer wishes, and that's probably why there have been so many wars and deaths over the subject over the centuries.
 

Living in peace with each other is a dream we probably all have, but all things considered, with politics, including, greed, ambition and lies there are always going to be differences of opinion, sometimes stoked by hate speech and of course wars and murders, and that's been no different over the centuries, so who knows what will happen in the future?

 

As an aside, the whole subject becomes confusing when you have the president of the most powerful country in the world claiming that he is a Christian when he violates just about every one of the 10 Commandments, yet there are those folk who will follow this person. What is the world coming to!

11 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Why are you posting false propaganda? It is firmly established that the killer was an ultra-leftist anti-fascist.

 

Why all the lies from the left?

Oh, it's you! Have you finished erecting gallows for the trannies in your back yard, or are you still cleaning the astounding amount of egg off your face?

3 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I take your point, Will, however I do see another side to this argument, inasmuch as religion in whatever form can be construed in whichever way the believer wishes, and that's probably why there have been so many wars and deaths over the subject over the centuries.
 

Living in peace with each other is a dream we probably all have, but all things considered, with politics, including, greed, ambition and lies there are always going to be differences of opinion, sometimes stoked by hate speech and of course wars and murders, and that's been no different over the centuries, so who knows what will happen in the future?

 

As an aside, the whole subject becomes confusing when you have the president of the most powerful country in the world claiming that he is a Christian when he violates just about every one of the 10 Commandments, yet there are those folk who will follow this person. What is the world coming to!

 

 

In my experience the more religious people become, the less Christian they behave. 

 

 

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Anti-Semitism
Kirk was repeatedly accused of anti-Semitism, including by fellow conservatives like Benjamin Domenech and Erick Erickson.

 

errr  ???

 

https://www.jta.org/2025/09/12/israel/in-israel-public-tributes-to-charlie-kirk-include-a-street-naming-a-mural-and-a-missile-in-gaza

 

Israelis are paying widespread tribute to Charlie Kirk, renaming streets and painting murals in honor of the American conservative activist assassinated this week in Utah.

In at least one case, according to pictures circulating on social media, an Israeli missile was inscribed with the message “In memory of Charlie Kirk,” reflecting a recurring and at times divisive practice in the Israeli army.

“Direct from Gaza. He’d be so proud,” the right-wing influencer Hillel Fuld tweeted as he shared the picture.

 

A bit confusing  ehh ?

 

Off topic troll post removed @NickyLouie

41 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The left didn’t murder Charlie Kirk.

 

 

 

The left, by labelling people like Charlie Kirk "hitler, fascist, nazi" absolutely did contribute to his murder.   When labelling someone this way, even though most sensible folks will see it as vitriolic hyperbole with no basis in reality, there will be some who take this literally  who see it as their moral imperative to assassinate a baby Hitler.   

 

If the left were open to debate, were accepting that other people can have different opinions, and there was not only their opinion that was an acceptable opinion, were not trying all the time to "cancel" opinions they do not like then this peaceful loving father of 2 young kids would not have been assassinated and his kids would have grown up with a father.   

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

The left, by labelling people like Charlie Kirk "hitler, fascist, nazi" absolutely did contribute to his murder.   When labelling someone this way, even though most sensible folks will see it as vitriolic hyperbole with no basis in reality, there will be some who take this literally  who see it as their moral imperative to assassinate a baby Hitler.   

 

If the left were open to debate, were accepting that other people can have different opinions, and there was not only their opinion that was an acceptable opinion, were not trying all the time to "cancel" opinions they do not like then this peaceful loving father of 2 young kids would not have been assassinated and his kids would have grown up with a father.   

 

 

Trump

 

"We just have to beat the hell out of radical left lunatics".

 

What a leader....must make you proud to be an American.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

Just a couple of things to note about your post: –

 

Firstly, I don't consume "leftist propaganda" as I'm not on that side of the political spectrum, more right of centre.

Secondly, you state that "Charlie Kirk has his opinions as a moderate conservative Christian" whereas he is almost always described as a far right activist, so there is a big gap between that and your opinion of him.

 

And you also said that "silencing Charlie Kirk........ was a big mistake by the left", but the shooter came from a staunchly Republican family??

 

As for me spouting vitriol, I just post what is known about this (late) particularly nasty person, so I don't need to look in the mirror because as I've often said on here I am on the right side of centre, but certainly not far right like Kirk.

 

You speak about me and "leftist propaganda" and the fact that Kirk was a kind of, "let's have a conversation" guy so he was open to debate, but what you fail to see is that this is just a stepping stone to bringing young people over to the far right side of his views, i.e. recruiting young folk for the far right agenda.
 

 

You claim you are right of center?   Charlie Kirk is only described as a "far right activist" by leftist media who have not actually seen him debate so my presumption is that you are consuming leftist media.   

 

Lets take one of your points and put it to the test then:

 

"Gender identity
Kirk appealed to conservative Christians who feared the growing acceptance of the LGBTQ+ community in the US. He was critical of gay and transgender rights and the separation of church and state."

 

So whats your opinion of this?  Charlie Kirks was that a man cannot change sex and become a woman and someone who is born a man will always be a man.  He was also against kids being pumped with life changing hormones.   Do you disagree with his view on this?  

 

By the way, he was not critical of "gay rights" other than he believed that marriage should be between a man and a woman, but did not advocate that this policy should be changed.   

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Trump

 

"We just have to beat the hell out of radical left lunatics".

 

What a leader....must make you proud to be an American.

 

 

 

 

Absolutely right!

 

Trump gets it!

 

Let the war on ANTIFA begin!

1 minute ago, James105 said:

You claim you are right of center? 

He's a liar. He's a leftist purveyor of misinformation. He's been posting that Trump is a pedophile for ages, based on a hoax affidavit in a dismissed legal case brought by a fraudster.

 

He  knows exactly what he's doing.

3 hours ago, angryguy said:

Its funny watching leftists cope and try to twist this as a win for themselves. Mostly non americans here who dont realize they are losing voters fast

It's disgusting watching righties speak out and try to twist this as a win for themselves. 

6 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Trump

 

"We just have to beat the hell out of radical left lunatics".

 

What a leader....must make you proud to be an American.

 

 

 

 

Trump is correct on this.  You think Charlie Kirk would have been assassinated if the leftist propaganda had described him accurately rather than comparing him to Hitler, far right fascists etc?  

 

Face it, you are on the side of evil on this, on the side that has been celebrating the murder of a father of 2 young kids simply for having a different opinion and was willing to debate it with people who didn't share the same view.  Have a look in the mirror.   

 

20 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Trump

 

"We just have to beat the hell out of radical left lunatics".

 

What a leader....must make you proud to be an American.

 

 

 

We were told that Adolf Hitler and the NAZIs were Fascist. And who told us that? Joseph Stalin, the mass murderer of the USSR. Why? It is on account of Benito Mussolini and his Italian Fascist Party, which successfully came to power in Italy, and in spite of the name, Fascist, the party was a Socialist party as well. Not all Socialist parties were Marxist-Leninist, and those other socialist parties Vladimir Ilych Lenin considered non-socialist because they were not controlled by Moscow. Therefore, in 1928 Joseph Stalin issued the order that only the Marxist-Leninist parties were Socialists, and everyone else was Fascist, as Mussolini's Fascist party was named. That is the origin of the lie that Hitler waa a Facist. Started by Stalin, no less.