15 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Couldn't agree more....imagine if they were not indoctrinated into any political viewpoint or religion....but taught empathy and to call out racism and the oppression of minorities.

 

Good idea.

 

Let me know when leftism, Islam and DEI are abandoned. 

51 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Its funny watching leftists cope and try to twist this as a win for themselves. Mostly non americans here who dont realize they are losing voters fast

As long as people feel the need to twist everything in left vs right, there is no hope. 

11 hours ago, JonnyF said:

He was clearly brainwashed by the left wing msm

 

We are all being brainwashed 24/7.

It's all brainwashing. 

 

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

 

Good idea.

 

Let me know when leftism, Islam and DEI are abandoned. 

 

You seem to have not quite grasped the basic principle behind not indoctrinating children......but then again, you do display (through your posts) all the attributes of child indoctrinated into right wing themes, especially racism.

 

Very sad.

1 minute ago, Will B Good said:

 

You seem to have not quite grasped the basic principle behind not indoctrinating children......but then again, you do display (through your posts) all the attributes of child indoctrinated into right wing themes, especially racism.

 

Very sad.

 

Great point.

 

Islam never indoctrinates children. 

I most certainly don't condone political assassinations on any level, but for those that are looking for motives I think that's a bit naive. This guy was a bit of a pig, he said some very ugly things on a consistent basis, he was hateful in his speech, he was a demonizer, and he created a lot of discord, rancor and division. 

 

There's no question that things are becoming more divided by the day, and I think it's safe to presume that we're going to see more of this kind of stuff happening, we're going to see more banking, Healthcare, big pharma, and insurance CEOs assassinated. It's just inevitable that we're going to start seeing signs of anarchy, people are very frustrated, society seems to be unraveling, very hateful speech that Trump and his cohorts engage in on a daily basis is not helping one iota, and the vast majority of people feel really left out in the cold. 

 

In the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination, part of a distressing wave of political violence stalking this country, it would seem that the United States is coming apart at the seams, poised at the precipice of disintegration. So much hatred, so much anger, so much toxic rot, and so many, many guns. We are boiling a poisonous stew. Can anyone save us? Is there anyone or anything that can possibly cool us to a simmer, at least? At this time, it appears not—in fact, frighteningly, the rage that got us to this grim, spooky moment seems only to be spiraling.

 

Charlie Kirk had barely been declared dead when President Trump hideously used his killing to falsely blame and attack the Left. Trump seized the moment of widespread mourning to spread more hatred and division, in a reckless, angry televised speech that hurled blame at the Left despite not a scintilla of evidence about Kirk’s assassin or their politics. In a predictable yet grotesque display, Trump raged, “For years, those on the radical Left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world’s worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we’re seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.”

 

Charlie Kirk, and many other haters led us into it. Kirk became a wealthy influencer by spreading toxic rage and fear and division.

 

We can honor the sadness millions are feeling over Kirk’s murder, and maintain basic civil human decency, while also being honest about the deeply harmful and offensive things Charlie Kirk said. We can condemn political violence and Kirk’s murder while also condemning Charlie Kirk for the rotten, vile hatred he fomented.

 

And yes, while respecting that many are mourning, this is precisely the time to remind people of the hatred and division Kirk sowed and profited handsomely from.

Just now, JonnyF said:

 

Great point.

 

Islam never indoctrinates children. 

 

 

Very odd point to make.......I am totally against any children being indoctrinated into any religion?

 

 

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

I most certainly don't condone political assassinations on any level, but

 

Stopped reading here.

 

 

Just now, Will B Good said:

 

 

Very odd point to make.......I am totally against any children being indoctrinated into any religion?

 

 

But you would accept Islam does it?

10 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

This guy was a bit of a pig, he said some very ugly things on a consistent basis, he was hateful in his speech, he was a demonizer, and he created a lot of discord, rancor and division. 

 

Yes, because the powers that be do it on purpose to shove antagonistic people in our faces.

And even Trump is very antagonistic and that's a terrible thing.

They add fuel to the fire.

 

The solution is to stop watching and stop listening to these people and stop fueling the fire. 

 

Charlie Kirk is a "bullet blasted through your head."

 

Rage Against the Machine warned about media messing with people's minds.

 

Stop feeding the beast. 

 

They say jump, you say how high? No escape from the mass mind rape. 

 

 

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

But you would accept Islam does it?

 

 

Every religion attempts to indoctrinate children into their religion.......they are all fearful kids will be able to grow up and think for themselves.

 

Judaism and Islam and probably the most prolific and expert in indoctrination.

 

Still don't understand your obsession with Isl........oh wait on, yes...now I understand....doh!!

There was so much false sentiment on the part of TV hosts and news people about the assassination of the healthcare CEO sometime back in New York, but I think that that was just the beginning. They all went on and on about how he was a loyal husband and a good father, but what does any of that mean? You can't say or do anything and just assume that there won't be repercussions. I know a lot of soft folks will accuse me of being cold-hearted but there is a cause and effect at work in the universe. 

 

This is only the beginning, you watch, people are going to get more and more angry and these guys at the top of the totem pole do not have immunity. The average guy feels like a CEO has no right to earn 1,000 or 2,000 times more than he does, and the anger is just going to grow.

 

This has nothing to do with woke, and this has everything to do with anger and resentment. Some people with frightfully conventional minds just cannot wrap their mediocre minds around the fact that there isn't more sympathy for this guy. Just because he's a dad we're supposed to feel bad? Please. What did he do for his community besides suck their blood? 

8 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Stopped reading here.

 

 

I would have expected no less from you. The lack of an open mind can be a terrible thing to carry around. 

3 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

.I am totally against any children being indoctrinated into any religion?

As we all should be, But as far as I know all religions indoctrinate children, after all what sort of adult would believe that rubbish.?  Born again types who embrace it later in life are invariably nutters

17 minutes ago, stevenl said:

As long as people feel the need to twist everything in left vs right, there is no hope. 

Theres no hope for the left. You guys need to rebrand. Media outlets held responsible

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

 

Yes, because the powers that be do it on purpose to shove antagonistic people in our faces.

And even Trump is very antagonistic and that's a terrible thing.

They add fuel to the fire.

 

The solution is to stop watching and stop listening to these people and stop fueling the fire. 

 

Charlie Kirk is a "bullet blasted through your head."

 

Rage Against the Machine warned about media messing with people's minds.

 

Stop feeding the beast. 

 

They say jump, you say how high? No escape from the mass mind rape. 

 

 

Very well put, thanks for that. It's always refreshing to see good sound reason in the wilderness of delusion, and even though we may disagree politically most of the time there are certain things we can agree on. Hopefully there's more common ground out there than there is ugliness and rancor. 

1 minute ago, Bday Prang said:

As we all should be, But as far as I know all religions indoctrinate children, after all what sort of adult would believe that rubbish.?  Born again types who embrace it later in life are invariably nutters

 

 

Could not agree more......

 

 

2 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I would have expected no less from you. The lack of an open mind can be a terrible thing to carry around. 

 

I don't wish to hear a leftist justifying the young fathers murder.

 

Just as I avoided the assassination video.

 

Enjoy though 

 

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I most certainly don't condone political assassinations on any level, but for those that are looking for motives I think that's a bit naive. This guy was a bit of a pig, he said some very ugly things on a consistent basis, he was hateful in his speech, he was a demonizer, and he created a lot of discord, rancor and division. 

 

There's no question that things are becoming more divided by the day, and I think it's safe to presume that we're going to see more of this kind of stuff happening, we're going to see more banking, Healthcare, big pharma, and insurance CEOs assassinated. It's just inevitable that we're going to start seeing signs of anarchy, people are very frustrated, society seems to be unraveling, very hateful speech that Trump and his cohorts engage in on a daily basis is not helping one iota, and the vast majority of people feel really left out in the cold. 

 

In the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination, part of a distressing wave of political violence stalking this country, it would seem that the United States is coming apart at the seams, poised at the precipice of disintegration. So much hatred, so much anger, so much toxic rot, and so many, many guns. We are boiling a poisonous stew. Can anyone save us? Is there anyone or anything that can possibly cool us to a simmer, at least? At this time, it appears not—in fact, frighteningly, the rage that got us to this grim, spooky moment seems only to be spiraling.

 

Charlie Kirk had barely been declared dead when President Trump hideously used his killing to falsely blame and attack the Left. Trump seized the moment of widespread mourning to spread more hatred and division, in a reckless, angry televised speech that hurled blame at the Left despite not a scintilla of evidence about Kirk’s assassin or their politics. In a predictable yet grotesque display, Trump raged, “For years, those on the radical Left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world’s worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we’re seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.”

 

Charlie Kirk, and many other haters led us into it. Kirk became a wealthy influencer by spreading toxic rage and fear and division.

 

We can honor the sadness millions are feeling over Kirk’s murder, and maintain basic civil human decency, while also being honest about the deeply harmful and offensive things Charlie Kirk said. We can condemn political violence and Kirk’s murder while also condemning Charlie Kirk for the rotten, vile hatred he fomented.

 

And yes, while respecting that many are mourning, this is precisely the time to remind people of the hatred and division Kirk sowed and profited handsomely from.

 

You are another one who has no idea who this person actually was and is repeating the same lies from leftist propaganda.   I bet you cannot provide any evidence of hatred and division he sowed.  He literally went to campuses to debate students in good faith and encouraged debate.  That was his "crime".   Take a look at famous leftist Stephen King as inspiration here who is another victim of leftist propaganda leading him to make an idiot of himself.   

 

 

Anyway, on the bright side at least no shops need to board up their windows, the fire departments do not need to prepare for mass arson, and nor do the shops need to brace themselves for mass looting as this wasn't a "left wing influencer" like George Floyd who lost his life, and the peaceful right wing will carry out their mourning peacefully, further demonstrating the difference between the left and right.

 

The fact the left are still trying to claim any semblance of moral high ground here is absolutely laughable/delusional/shameful.  

1 minute ago, spidermike007 said:

Very well put, thanks for that. It's always refreshing to see good sound reason in the wilderness of delusion, and even though we may disagree politically most of the time there are certain things we can agree on. Hopefully there's more common ground out there than there is ugliness and rancor. 

 

 

Not if Trump, Vance and Miller can help it.......the murder of Kirk is a golden opportunity for them.

 

This is an example of the future.....

 

 

Motive ... an evil person killed someone simply because he disagreed with his opinions.

 

People on AN, have suggested I should be killed or jailed for my opinion and refusal to get vax'd or wear a mask.   There are sick and deranged people everywhere.  Throw a nutter in the mix now & then, and people should take measures to protect themselves.

 

Why I carry a blade, and there's always one nearby.   Why we have a wall around the house, aside from simple privacy.

 

There's just evil people in the world, some don't even need to give themselves a reason or excuse to harm others.

 

There is never a motive or reason to kill someone, unless it's self defense.  That a nutter seemed threatened simply by words, isn't good enough.

10 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This guy was a bit of a pig, he said some very ugly things on a consistent basis, he was hateful in his speech, he was a demonizer, and he created a lot of discord, rancor and division. 

I agree with that statement, because he made some very hateful and hurtful comments and he made them under the guise of being a "Christian", and this was probably to align himself with the "Christian beliefs" that Trump espouses – – yeah right, what utter nonsense, but his followers are unable to see that trump's actions are not those of good Christians.

 

What probably doesn't sit well with many on this forum is the fact that the shooter came from a staunchly Republican family, so make of that what you will.

 

Kirk's rhetoric about blacks, Jews and others was well known and he spewed this hatred whenever he could.......

Here are some of the issues Kirk focused on and where he stood:
Gender identity
Kirk appealed to conservative Christians who feared the growing acceptance of the LGBTQ+ community in the US. He was critical of gay and transgender rights and the separation of church and state.
Gun control
Kirk was a strong supporter of gun rights.
“I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights,” he said..
Climate change
Kirk frequently dismissed concerns about climate change, even as polling showed that young conservative voters prioritise the issue. He said incorrectly that there was no scientific consensus on global warming.
Free speech
Kirk was a self-declared supporter of free speech, and Turning Point USA was known for its free speech advocacy.
Critics have argued that Kirk’s promotion of free speech was tinged with hypocrisy, pointing to Turning Point USA’s “Professor Watchlist”, in which students were asked to list professors with leftist positions.
Race
Kirk believed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a destructive force in American politics, calling its passage a “mistake” that he said has been turned into “an anti-white weapon”.
He also blamed the Rev. Martin Luther King jnr for the law and was highly critical of the slain civil rights leader, calling him an “awful” person.

Kirk was also a staunch opponent of affirmative action and was highly critical of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, calling her a “diversity hire” who wasn’t qualified to serve on the highest court.

Anti-Semitism
Kirk was repeatedly accused of anti-Semitism, including by fellow conservatives like Benjamin Domenech and Erick Erickson.
He was a proponent of “replacement theory”, a once-fringe conspiracy theory positing that Jews are trying to replace white Americans with non-white immigrants. That ideology motivated the gunman who killed 11 worshippers at a Pittsburgh synagogue in 2018.

Kirk also accused Jewish philanthropists of fomenting anti-whiteness by supporting liberal anti-racism causes like the Black Lives Matter movement.

“The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country,” he said on his show in 2023.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/where-influential-us-right-wing-activist-charlie-kirk-stood-on-key-political-issues/JH6FYGTS5RBABLH2VXR3BF575Y/

12 minutes ago, James105 said:

Anyway, on the bright side at least no shops need to board up their windows, the fire departments do not need to prepare for mass arson, and nor do the shops need to brace themselves for mass looting as this wasn't a "left wing influencer" like George Floyd who lost his life, and the peaceful right wing will carry out their mourning peacefully, further demonstrating the difference between the left and right.

 

The fact the left are still trying to claim any semblance of moral high ground here is absolutely laughable/delusional/shameful.  

Quite a difference in the left & right mentality toward violence, when not happy.

 

Budweiser wants to go woke ... people stop buying their crappy beer.

People don't like Musk's opinions & DOGE ... they burn & destroy ... WTF

 

No wonder the left doesn't want us to have firearms to protect ourselves 

33 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

I most certainly don't condone political assassinations on any level, but for those that are looking for motives I think that's a bit naive. This guy was a bit of a pig, he said some very ugly things on a consistent basis, he was hateful in his speech, he was a demonizer, and he created a lot of discord, rancor and division. 

 

There's no question that things are becoming more divided by the day, and I think it's safe to presume that we're going to see more of this kind of stuff happening, we're going to see more banking, Healthcare, big pharma, and insurance CEOs assassinated. It's just inevitable that we're going to start seeing signs of anarchy, people are very frustrated, society seems to be unraveling, very hateful speech that Trump and his cohorts engage in on a daily basis is not helping one iota, and the vast majority of people feel really left out in the cold. 

 

In the wake of the Charlie Kirk assassination, part of a distressing wave of political violence stalking this country, it would seem that the United States is coming apart at the seams, poised at the precipice of disintegration. So much hatred, so much anger, so much toxic rot, and so many, many guns. We are boiling a poisonous stew. Can anyone save us? Is there anyone or anything that can possibly cool us to a simmer, at least? At this time, it appears not—in fact, frighteningly, the rage that got us to this grim, spooky moment seems only to be spiraling.

 

Charlie Kirk had barely been declared dead when President Trump hideously used his killing to falsely blame and attack the Left. Trump seized the moment of widespread mourning to spread more hatred and division, in a reckless, angry televised speech that hurled blame at the Left despite not a scintilla of evidence about Kirk’s assassin or their politics. In a predictable yet grotesque display, Trump raged, “For years, those on the radical Left have compared wonderful Americans like Charlie to Nazis and the world’s worst mass murderers and criminals. This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism that we’re seeing in our country today, and it must stop right now.”

 

Charlie Kirk, and many other haters led us into it. Kirk became a wealthy influencer by spreading toxic rage and fear and division.

 

We can honor the sadness millions are feeling over Kirk’s murder, and maintain basic civil human decency, while also being honest about the deeply harmful and offensive things Charlie Kirk said. We can condemn political violence and Kirk’s murder while also condemning Charlie Kirk for the rotten, vile hatred he fomented.

 

And yes, while respecting that many are mourning, this is precisely the time to remind people of the hatred and division Kirk sowed and profited handsomely from.

Still spewing hate. Disgraceful post.

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Motive ... an evil person killed someone simply because he disagreed with his opinions.

I would put it like this: – "an evil person killed another evil person who spewed forth hatred on several fronts".

1 minute ago, xylophone said:

I would put it like this: – "an evil person killed another evil person who spewed forth hatred on several fronts".

43 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Great point.

 

Islam never indoctrinates children. 

Not happy with the actual topic of discussion Jonny?

31 minutes ago, xylophone said:

I agree with that statement, because he made some very hateful and hurtful comments and he made them under the guise of being a "Christian", and this was probably to align himself with the "Christian beliefs" that Trump espouses – – yeah right, what utter nonsense, but his followers are unable to see that trump's actions are not those of good Christians.

 

What probably doesn't sit well with many on this forum is the fact that the shooter came from a staunchly Republican family, so make of that what you will.

 

Kirk's rhetoric about blacks, Jews and others was well known and he spewed this hatred whenever he could.......

Here are some of the issues Kirk focused on and where he stood:
Gender identity
Kirk appealed to conservative Christians who feared the growing acceptance of the LGBTQ+ community in the US. He was critical of gay and transgender rights and the separation of church and state.
Gun control
Kirk was a strong supporter of gun rights.
“I think it’s worth to have a cost of, unfortunately, some gun deaths every single year so that we can have the Second Amendment to protect our other God-given rights,” he said..
Climate change
Kirk frequently dismissed concerns about climate change, even as polling showed that young conservative voters prioritise the issue. He said incorrectly that there was no scientific consensus on global warming.
Free speech
Kirk was a self-declared supporter of free speech, and Turning Point USA was known for its free speech advocacy.
Critics have argued that Kirk’s promotion of free speech was tinged with hypocrisy, pointing to Turning Point USA’s “Professor Watchlist”, in which students were asked to list professors with leftist positions.
Race
Kirk believed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was a destructive force in American politics, calling its passage a “mistake” that he said has been turned into “an anti-white weapon”.
He also blamed the Rev. Martin Luther King jnr for the law and was highly critical of the slain civil rights leader, calling him an “awful” person.

Kirk was also a staunch opponent of affirmative action and was highly critical of Supreme Court Justice Ketanji Brown Jackson, calling her a “diversity hire” who wasn’t qualified to serve on the highest court.

Anti-Semitism
Kirk was repeatedly accused of anti-Semitism, including by fellow conservatives like Benjamin Domenech and Erick Erickson.
He was a proponent of “replacement theory”, a once-fringe conspiracy theory positing that Jews are trying to replace white Americans with non-white immigrants. That ideology motivated the gunman who killed 11 worshippers at a Pittsburgh synagogue in 2018.

Kirk also accused Jewish philanthropists of fomenting anti-whiteness by supporting liberal anti-racism causes like the Black Lives Matter movement.

“The philosophical foundation of anti-whiteness has been largely financed by Jewish donors in the country,” he said on his show in 2023.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/where-influential-us-right-wing-activist-charlie-kirk-stood-on-key-political-issues/JH6FYGTS5RBABLH2VXR3BF575Y/

 

Do you think that anyone that has a different opinion to the leftist propaganda you consume and says it out loud is spewing hatred?  Thats an insane position to hold.  How do you think civilization got to where it did?  By not debating ideas and just singing off a single hymn sheet?   

 

Charlie Kirk has his opinions as a moderate conservative christian and actually went to campuses to debate people who held different opinions to him in good faith.  Who is his equivalent on the left who would go to right wing events and debate in good faith with conservatives?   There are not any, as the left tends to think along the same lines as you, that there is only one valid opinion and everyone who disagrees is spewing hatred and is a fascist/nazi etc.   

 

Silencing Charlie Kirk by murdering him was probably a big mistake by the left.   The vitriol (not too indifferent to what you spout) about him led a mentally unbalanced leftist propaganda believer to assassinate him.   He was the "lets have a conversation guy" and would have welcomed you to debate his views in good faith.   If you are pleased in any way that you do not have that opportunity any more then perhaps its time to have a good hard look in the mirror at what you are.

4 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

Do you think that anyone that has a different opinion to the leftist propaganda you consume and says it out loud is spewing hatred?  Thats an insane position to hold.  How do you think civilization got to where it did?  By not debating ideas and just singing off a single hymn sheet?   

 

Charlie Kirk has his opinions as a moderate conservative christian and actually went to campuses to debate people who held different opinions to him in good faith.  Who is his equivalent on the left who would go to right wing events and debate in good faith with conservatives?   There are not any, as the left tends to think along the same lines as you, that there is only one valid opinion and everyone who disagrees is spewing hatred and is a fascist/nazi etc.   

 

Silencing Charlie Kirk by murdering him was probably a big mistake by the left.   The vitriol (not too indifferent to what you spout) about him led a mentally unbalanced leftist propaganda believer to assassinate him.   He was the "lets have a conversation guy" and would have welcomed you to debate his views in good faith.   If you are pleased in any way that you do not have that opportunity any more then perhaps its time to have a good hard look in the mirror at what you are.

Just a couple of things to note about your post: –

 

Firstly, I don't consume "leftist propaganda" as I'm not on that side of the political spectrum, more right of centre.

Secondly, you state that "Charlie Kirk has his opinions as a moderate conservative Christian" whereas he is almost always described as a far right activist, so there is a big gap between that and your opinion of him.

 

And you also said that "silencing Charlie Kirk........ was a big mistake by the left", but the shooter came from a staunchly Republican family??

 

As for me spouting vitriol, I just post what is known about this (late) particularly nasty person, so I don't need to look in the mirror because as I've often said on here I am on the right side of centre, but certainly not far right like Kirk.

 

You speak about me and "leftist propaganda" and the fact that Kirk was a kind of, "let's have a conversation" guy so he was open to debate, but what you fail to see is that this is just a stepping stone to bringing young people over to the far right side of his views, i.e. recruiting young folk for the far right agenda.
 

28 minutes ago, James105 said:

Silencing Charlie Kirk by murdering him was probably a big mistake by the left. 

I remember vividly the 1981 attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan as I was living in Denver at the time the home of John Hinckley, Jr.'s family.

 

It was noted that Hinckley Jr. was at one time briefly a member of the Neo-Nazi party.

 

But it soon became known through voluminous correspondence and stalking related travel that he was infatuated with Jodie Foster.

 

And the primary motive in the attempted assassination of President Reagan was to impress Ms. Foster