3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

So many arguing over a man's thinking when all they have to go on is what's already released to the public, which can be truth,  lies or exaggerations. Why not wait until everything actually comes out?

 

We all had our theories about who and why, but no one besides the shooter knows exactly why he did this. All the facts we have is that he was a radical, and mentally ill, as no one in their right minds kills anyone just because they disagree with them.

 

He may have written these things on the ammo, and they do show some hatred towards others, but hatred isn't a reason alone to end a life.

 

Was he acting alone or by himself? Was he a Trump, Republican hater or just a Kirk hater? Only when they interview him , and if he tells the whole truth, will we get the true picture .

 

He told his family Kirk was going to be speaking at the rally before he went, so it could be he just didn't like what Kirk says, as is seen with others who disagree with him, including people here.

 

Everyone here has their theories of why he did this, and it had nothing to do with being a "gun nut", which is how some have labeled him. 99%+ of American gun owners aren't out shooting people but are legitimate owners, hunters and target shooters, and will never use a gun in a crime. He used one because it was easier than getting up close and trying another method, and more likely he would have been instantly caught. 

I agree with your comments above. The title and supposed purpose of this forum is to "Unravel the Motive." That, as you say, is virtually impossible, but it might be possible to find out more closely as more information is revealed.

40 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

You're full of lies today.

Just as you normally are with your unfounded statements on many topics!

11 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

 

It isn't clear that Tyler Robinson is a Trump supporter. It is possible that he's a follower of Nick Fuentes and was radicalized by the Alt-Right.

 

Fuentes has denounced Trump for not being racist enough and too soft on minorities and immigrants. Fuentes and his Gropyers had a particular animus for Charlie Kirk for these reasons. They are Alt--Right and not Trump supporters.

 

Again, it is telling that his MAGA family have not stated that his radicalization was by leftists or leftist ideology. Governor Cox, also a Republican, hasn't attributed Tyler's radicalization to the Left. I'm sure that if Tyler was radicalized by the left, his MAGA family would have said so and Governor Cox would have also mentioned it. It's a glaring omission

 

Complete and utter lies.

 

The state of Utah has told us that what Tylor Robinson objected to was that Kirk was full of "hatred". Not that he wasn't full enough of hatred for blacks.

 

Again, the left will stop at nothing to misrepresent what has happened here.

 

It is totally disgusting.

51 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Do non radicalized people assassinate people? 

"Charles J. Guiteau, a mentally unstable lawyer who shot Garfield on July 2, 1881, and was executed on June 30, 1882. Guiteau shot the president because he believed he deserved a federal position after helping Garfield win the election, but his requests for a foreign consulship were repeatedly denied, leading to his vengeful act ...." AI generated, but my point is that this was an example where an assassination can be motivated by personal interests not having to be radicalized by outside influences. Granted this took place before a time of today's mass media. It may indeed be difficult to prove the negative that each of us have been influenced.

3 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

No, people in their right minds do not kill people just because they disagree with them.   People who are not in their right minds, who are susceptible to propaganda, who believe it when they are told someone is literally Hitler or a Fascist will see it as a moral duty to assassinate that person.   Who is it that has been labelling the likes of Trump and Charlie Kirk far-right, fascist, destroyers of democracy and Hitler do you think and who have both been victims of assassination attempts recently?  Coincidence?  I think not.   

 

What is fundamentally clear and without question though is that quite a lot of ghouls on the left are celebrating this murder.  This in itself will turn a lot of sensible leftists away from the left as who on earth would want to be on the same side as those who celebrate the killing of a young father of 2 who simply expressed his opinion and welcomed and encouraged debate?   The left is revealing itself after this and cannot hide their glee that someone who had influence on the right has been permanently silenced.   Truly evil.  I'm glad I'm not on "that side" and if I was then this would be the turning point.

Normal people on any side of the fence don't want to see people killed. Extremists on either side are the problems. Being on the left isn't. Look at the definition of the left side, without extremism.

 

Some people are quick to label other's thinking as radical just because they belong to one side and not the other.

 

I dislike Trump and see exactly what type of character he is. I think some of the things he's doing are wrong, and some are right, and when I saw him being almost killed, I didn't jump for joy but saw just how screwed up some American's thinking is. Like him or not, he's our president and we can only hope he does good things eventually in this term.

 

As far as Kirk, he spoke his mind and some don't like it. Is what he said affecting most people? No. Some are easy to sway because they are sheep and weak minded. Others have a belief system and took either side because their parents did, or were convinced in life it was the better side. Fact is, both sides have good ideas and bad, which is why it's the extremists that are the problem. 

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Complete and utter lies.

 

The state of Utah has told us that what Tylor Robinson objected to was that Kirk was full of "hatred". Not that he wasn't full enough of hatred for blacks.

 

Again, the left will stop at nothing to misrepresent what has happened here.

 

It is totally disgusting.

The left has to demonize Kirk to rationalize all the celebrating. 

2 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Complete and utter lies.

 

The state of Utah has told us that what Tylor Robinson objected to was that Kirk was full of "hatred". Not that he wasn't full enough of hatred for blacks.

 

Again, the left will stop at nothing to misrepresent what has happened here.

 

It is totally disgusting.

 

Do you have a link to an official statement by the state of Utah?

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Do non radicalized people assassinate people? 

That doesn’t answer my question.

 

Have another go:

“

How does the Governor know the killer was radicalized in a short period of time?”

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

It does not matter who the shooter is. Everyone once again sees the left for what they really are. 

 

 

It doesn’t matter who the shooter is?

 

What because he’s a heterosexual, white, male Christian, MAGA Cultist, gun hugging murderer?

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

You appear to be underestimating the value of my time. 

Yes susanlea, a measure of “the value”

of your time can be summed up by counting how many unhinged far right rants you can cram into a subject.

On topic; I had never heard of this poor victim before his killing .

He seemed bereft of the quality of empathy is all I’ll say.

13 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

No, people in their right minds do not kill people just because they disagree with them.   People who are not in their right minds, who are susceptible to propaganda, who believe it when they are told someone is literally Hitler or a Fascist will see it as a moral duty to assassinate that person.   Who is it that has been labelling the likes of Trump and Charlie Kirk far-right, fascist, destroyers of democracy and Hitler do you think and who have both been victims of assassination attempts recently?  Coincidence?  I think not.   

 

What is fundamentally clear and without question though is that quite a lot of ghouls on the left are celebrating this murder.  This in itself will turn a lot of sensible leftists away from the left as who on earth would want to be on the same side as those who celebrate the killing of a young father of 2 who simply expressed his opinion and welcomed and encouraged debate?   The left is revealing itself after this and cannot hide their glee that someone who had influence on the right has been permanently silenced.   Truly evil.  I'm glad I'm not on "that side" and if I was then this would be the turning point.

We no doubt agree on your point, you are including all? I mean Oklahoma City, 9/11, Sandy Hook, Steve Scalise, Minnesota Representatives, attack on Paul Pelosi?

Some of this reminds me of an older song..................

 

6 hours ago, angryguy said:

Its funny watching leftists cope and try to twist this as a win for themselves. Mostly non americans here who dont realize they are losing voters fast

It's even funnier watching MAGA's trying to rationalize the fact it was one of their own that performed the heinous act.

 

It must be twisting their brain cells into pretzels.

 

Therein lies a sweeping assumption.

39 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

So you have no source.

 

Ok.

IIRC you had no source for repeatedly claiming the shooter was a leftist.

1 hour ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

It's interesting that neither Tyler Robinson's family, who have.said he had become radicalized, and Utah Governor Cox, attributed this radicalization to the Left. Given that his parents are MAGA, and Cox a Republican, this omission is telling.  Here's a possible explanation that leads in a different direction.

 

https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/us/what-is-a-groyper-and-was-tyler-robinson-a-part-of-alt-right-movement-charlie-kirk-shooting-suspect-turning-point-usa-founder-utah-valley-university-white-nationalist-christian-figure-nick-fuentes-followers-unusual-ammunition-markings-video-game-helldivers-2/articleshow/123859730.cms?from=mdr

 

 

 

For those who don't know this term: Groyper (see below)........but the poorly educated and trump are still blaming the "radical left". Typical of these hate filled folk. Egg, face much!!

 

The Groypers, sometimes called the Groyper Army, are a group of alt-right, white nationalist, and Christian nationalist^[5] activists led by Nick Fuentes. Members of the group have attempted to introduce alt-right politics into mainstream conservatism in the United States and participated in the January 6 United States Capitol attack and the protests leading up to it. They have targeted other conservative groups and individuals whose agendas they view as too moderate and insufficiently nationalist.^[6][7] The Groyper movement has been described as white nationalist, homophobic, nativist, fascist, sexist, antisemitic, and an attempt to rebrand the declining alt-right movement.^{[4][8][9][10]}

The topic of this forum is "Unravelling the Motive..." From what I've read (on social media) and seen on TV (CNN), my GUESS is that his motive was: 
 

• He recently, say over the past year, discovered he was gay, so he hated Kirk because he was anti-LBGTQ. 

Again, this is just a GUESS.

The MAGA crowd were desperate for it to be a black/transgender/illegal immigrant person.

Crying now because he came from a white religious family.

14 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IIRC you had no source for repeatedly claiming the shooter was a leftist.

Nothing new as it is just like most of it's unfounded claims in most of it's posts!

37 minutes ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

Do you have a link to an official statement by the state of Utah?

 

Do you have a link to the bs you came up with about Fuentes?

 

Here is a link to the press conference where the governor of Utah tells us that in private conversations with family Tylor Robinson bemoanted that Kirk was "full of hatred".

 

 

Putting that to one one side, perhaps you'd like to outline how your theory that Tylor Robinson was a racist and thought Kirk was not "racist enough" squares with the evidence found, namely bullets engraved with left-wing ANTIFA messages and symbols?

20 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

IIRC you had no source for repeatedly claiming the shooter was a leftist.

 

So you've jumped across to the camp of liars and full on leftists? You know full well that the bullets found were engraved with ANTIFA messages and symbols. As explained by the governor of Utah here:

 

 

1 minute ago, Cameroni said:

 

Do you have a link to the bs you came up with about Fuentes?

 

Here is a link to the press conference where the governor of Utah tells us that in private conversations with family Tylor Robinson bemoanted that Kirk was "full of hatred".

 

 

Putting that to one one side, perhaps you'd like to outline how your theory that Tylor Robinson was a racist and thought Kirk was not "racist enough" squares with the evidence found, namely bullets engraved with left-wing ANTIFA messages and symbols?

 

I posted a link to an article earlier that discussed the possibility that Tyler Robinson was influenced by the Alt-Right.

 

I'm not claiming it is an official statement by a government authority. Invoking the authority of a government entity should be backed up by something credible.

“Turning Point” - Charlie Kirk’s Legacy | AI Tribute Song

 

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You’ve changed your tune Jonny.

 

Slipped back into excusing the killer’s actions and of course blaming anyone but the rightwing.

 

Can we agree Jonny, the killer is an adult, responsible for his own actions?!

 

 

Absolutely true, but that goes both ways. If you spew hatred and racism in a country like the US, which is known for its assassinations and mass shootings, don't be surprised, if one of them lunatics takes you out!

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

It's not complicated.

Most human motivations are more complicated than simpletons can understand.

 

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Maybe it has something to do with a couple of MAGA cultists raising their children as gun huggers.

Yeah!   Here's one of the worst examples... she also embezzled funds from a charity and was then granted a pardon by Trump...  monkey see, monkey do!

https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/shortcuts/2015/dec/08/las-vegas-republican-michele-fiore-christmas-card-weapons

 

2 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

Absolutely true, but that goes both ways. If you spew hatred and racism in a country like the US, which is known for its assassinations and mass shootings, don't be surprised, if one of them lunatics takes you out!

The same goes for some other countries, including this one. Sometimes all you have to do is insult them and you disappear.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

The same goes for some other countries, including this one. Sometimes all you have to do is insult them and you disappear.

Yeah, but usually you have to be a real pain in the behind for someone to actually go to that length! 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Is it worth having some automobile deaths each year to have automobiles? 

 

Is it worth having some deaths due to alcoholism each year to so people can enjoy alcohol? 

 

Is it worth having some deaths due to rock climbing each year to so people can enjoy rock climbing? 

 

Is it worth having some deaths due to fishing each year to so people can enjoy fishing? 

 

Like Sowell says. "There are no solutions, only tradeoffs."

 

 

The “cars vs guns” line is a false equivalence.
 

Cars, alcohol, climbing, fishing — their risks are side effects of activities meant for transport, recreation, or sustenance. Guns are designed with one core function: to kill efficiently.
 

And notice the blind spot — we regulate cars and alcohol heavily: licenses, seatbelts, speed limits, DUI laws, age restrictions, taxes. If the comparison held, gun owners would accept universal background checks, safe-storage rules, and red-flag laws as the “seatbelts” of gun ownership. Instead, the lobby fights them.
 

Fishing accidents kill a few hundred worldwide. U.S. guns kill over 40,000 a year.

Calling these “tradeoffs” isn’t wisdom — it’s surrender.

Why is Tylor Robinson not charged with terrorist offences?

 

This was political terrorism.

 

Why only aggravated murder, obstruction of justice, and felony discharge of a firearm?

 

I'll tell you why, because  a federal indictment is only possible if it is a hate crime. However, this is not classified as a hate crime? How is that possible, because Robinson was filled with hatred? Simply because for it to be a hate crime Charlie Kirk would have had to have a "protected characteristic". But because he's not trans, not gay, not black, this cannot be indicted as a hate crime.

 

You gotta laugh at the stupidity of the law.

3 hours ago, BLMFem said:

The only thing that's established around here is that you're a hysterical and disturbed individual who promotes hate and violence against anyone that doesn't agree with you.

There's a reason all law and order based societies have moved away from street justice are screeching harpies like you. If you'd had your way mobs would be running around killing trans persons and anyone suspected of being part of ANTIFA.

You're part of the problem, not the solution. Now run along and continue the impossible task of removing all that egg off your red face.

Save some pearls for later. You're getting all excited.

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

 

He was a Gyroper, and they are radicalized right, not radicalized left

And a furry (maybe) but "Hey fascist, Catch!" doesn't seem right wing to me especially being that this particular term is used by the woke "progressive" left and has been used ad infinitum on here by the sufferers.