11 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

On 10/1/2025 at 8:32 AM, WDSmart said:

I'm sorry to see that an agreement to return the hostages and end the IDF atrocities has not been reached, but the proposal was definitely too pro-Israel and anti-Palestine. 🥺

How so?

The proposal was made by Trump and Netanyahu without including Hamas. From what I've read about it, the proposal doesn't guarantee a two-state solution. 

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

 

It was an attack on Qatar, you can't spin it any other way.

 

Qatari citizens were killed.  Has Israel compensated the secuity guard's family yet?

Qatar should not be harboring terrorists 

19 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The proposal was made by Trump and Netanyahu without including Hamas. From what I've read about it, the proposal doesn't guarantee a two-state solution. 

The agreement does include Hamas.

 

Palestinians have never had a state, why should they be rewarded with one now? The agreement does include a path to statehood for the Palestinians. "Guaranteeing" a state without conditions is silliness. 

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The agreement does include Hamas.

 

Palestinians have never had a state, why should they be rewarded with one now? The agreement does include a path to statehood for the Palestinians. "Guaranteeing" a state without conditions is silliness. 

They lived in this area called "Palestine" for thousands of years before the UN gave PART OF IT to the Jews in 1947. Since then, Israel has taken over more territory from the Palestinians by force. A two-state solution should, IMO, be based on the 1947 division of Palestine, and the Palestinian portions should be recognized as a state. "Guaranteeing" a two-state solution is the key issue, IMO, for Hamas. If a two-state solution cannot be agreed upon, then a one-state solution could be enacted, where the Palestinians are given all the area that used to be and will now be called Palestine, and the Israelis are deported back to where they came from, Goshen in Egypt.   

2 hours ago, bogozy said:

the US carriers can stationing 100 kilometres from the shore of Gaza. They can make easy about 300-400 sortie per day.

Real hell.

 

That is using US forces independent of NATO.

Israel should give Hamas the Ghenghis Khan treatment.....

7 hours ago, WDSmart said:

They lived in this area called "Palestine" for thousands of years before the UN gave PART OF IT to the Jews in 1947. Since then, Israel has taken over more territory from the Palestinians by force. A two-state solution should, IMO, be based on the 1947 division of Palestine, and the Palestinian portions should be recognized as a state. "Guaranteeing" a two-state solution is the key issue, IMO, for Hamas. If a two-state solution cannot be agreed upon, then a one-state solution could be enacted, where the Palestinians are given all the area that used to be and will now be called Palestine, and the Israelis are deported back to where they came from, Goshen in Egypt.   

So, you would recognize Hamas as the government and give them a state, correct? 

On 10/1/2025 at 1:55 PM, WDSmart said:

I agree that Hamas does not want a two-state solution. Neither does Israel. 
And, the current proposal only mentions Gaza. What about the West Bank? What about all the other land that used to be Palestine that Israel has seized by force and now claims as their own? Take a look at the UN map of 1947 and then the map of what Israel claims as their property now. I think (but, of course, I don't know for sure) that if the 1947 map were offered as a two-state solution, the Palestinians, even Hamas, would certainly consider that.

Hamas are an arm of the Ayatollahs in Iran. Nothing but the complete eradication of Israel will suffice for them as has been said on many occassions..from the river to the sea etc.

A two state solution will ensure ongoing problems in the future and suit the Ayatollahs just fine.

I think a single state (Israeli run) solution is the only way for peace to have any semblance of a chance.

Along with a regime change in Iran. Those poor repressed people. Look up some of the photos from when the Shah ran the show. Happy, free people living a western style existence.

17 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

So, you would recognize Hamas as the government and give them a state, correct? 

Correct, just as I recognize the current far-right, nationalistic government in Israel that is intent on driving all Palestinians out of what's left of their territory, and claiming it all for Israel. 

Just now, emptypockets said:

Hamas are an arm of the Ayatollahs in Iran. Nothing but the complete eradication of Israel will suffice for them as has been said on many occassions..from the river to the sea etc.

A two state solution will ensure ongoing problems in the future and suit the Ayatollahs just fine.

I think a single state (Israeli run) solution is the only way for peace to have any semblance of a chance.

Along with a regime change in Iran. Those poor repressed people. Look up some of the photos from when the Shah ran the show. Happy, free people living a western style existence.

I agree that a two-state solution will be very difficult, as the ruling parties on both sides want to control the entire territory. A single state (Palestinian-run) would be the best solution, and that would require all Israelis to relocate somewhere else. I recommend they relocate to where they historically came from - Goshen in Egypt. 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Correct, just as I recognize the current far-right, nationalistic government in Israel that is intent on driving all Palestinians out of what's left of their territory, and claiming it all for Israel. 

Why is it always " far right", never " far left" terms that people use.

My view is that Israel is fighting for its very existence. And in that context, anything goes. I believe they are showing great restraint given the circumstances.

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I agree that a two-state solution will be very difficult, as the ruling parties on both sides want to control the entire territory. A single state (Palestinian-run) would be the best solution, and that would require all Israelis to relocate somewhere else. I recommend they relocate to where they historically came from - Goshen in Egypt. 

Do you think Egypt will willingly give up some of its sovereign land?

Good, destroy Hamas with US blessing... go for it Israel. 

25 minutes ago, emptypockets said:

Do you think Egypt will willingly give up some of its sovereign land?

NO chance. 

Does anyone think the US would do so?

6 minutes ago, DezLez said:

NO chance. 

Does anyone think the US would do so?

Are you ignorant or blatantly lying?

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Are you ignorant or blatantly lying?

No!

But I ask you the same question; Are you ignorant or blatantly lying?

2 minutes ago, DezLez said:

No!

But I ask you the same question; Are you ignorant or blatantly lying?

you are

3 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I recommend they relocate to where they historically came from - Goshen in Egypt. 

 

   Where do you historically come from ?

20 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

you are

Excuse me but that is not a reply to my question which was;

"But I ask you the same question; Are you ignorant or blatantly lying?"

1 minute ago, DezLez said:

Excuse me but that is not a reply to my question which was;

"But I ask you the same question; Are you ignorant or blatantly lying?"

I know you are,

16 hours ago, emptypockets said:

Why is it always " far right", never " far left" terms that people use.

My view is that Israel is fighting for its very existence. And in that context, anything goes. I believe they are showing great restraint given the circumstances.

"Far right" means ultra-conservative. "Far left" means ultra-liberal. Netanyahu and Trump are far right. I am far left.

Israel is fighting to expel all Palestinians from the area that used to be called Palestine. They want the entire territory for themselves. Hamas, who are also far right, are fighting for the same thing, to expel all Israelis from the land they believe should be there's alone.

I am in favor of a two-state solution that would be based on the original UN division of Palestine in 1947. That might not be acceptable to either Israel or Palestine. So this fight, sadly, will just go on and one and never be solved.  

16 hours ago, emptypockets said:

16 hours ago, WDSmart said:

A single state (Palestinian-run) would be the best solution, and that would require all Israelis to relocate somewhere else. I recommend they relocate to where they historically came from - Goshen in Egypt. 

Do you think Egypt will willingly give up some of its sovereign land?

No, probably not. But that's the best solution I can think of.

12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Where do you historically come from ?

I historically came from the state of Kentucky in the USA. 

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I historically came from the state of Kentucky in the USA. 

That explains a lot. 

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I historically came from the state of Kentucky in the USA. 

 

   Then Israelis also historically come from the place where they were born 

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Then Israelis also historically come from the place where they were born 

An individual Israeli could claim that, but when speaking about them as a group, a society, they historically came from Goshen in Egypt. 

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

An individual Israeli could claim that, but when speaking about them as a group, a society, they historically came from Goshen in Egypt. 

 

 

Are  you a  Christian ?

If so, you need to go back to Nazareth to live 

That's where you historically come from 

Well todays the date Trump told us was the final day for Hamas to hand over all the hostages and agree to end hostilities or accept total defeat. Lets see what happens.

23 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

 

Are  you a  Christian ?

If so, you need to go back to Nazareth to live 

That's where you historically come from 

No, I am not a Christian, nor do I claim to be a member of any religion. However, my parents claimed to be Christians. But, more importantly, you are mixing up religion and genetics, which I will refer to as "race" in the rest of this comment.

Your mixing up religion and race is understandable when speaking about "Jews," since "Jews" refers to BOTH a religion and a race. "Christian" only refers to a religion. In the context of this forum, the terms we often use are:

Religion: Jews vs Muslims

Race: Jews vs Arabs

Group: Israelis vs Palestinians
Ultra-right-wing, nationalist government: (a term I'm not allowed to use on these forums) vs Hamas.

So, when I say the Jews originated in Goshen, I am referring to their race. If I were to say the same thing about the Palestinians, I would say they are Arabs and originated in Palestine. 

But, back to your comment. I am White, so my forefathers (race) certainly did not originate in what is now called the USA, where I was born, or in Thailand, where I have lived for over 20 years. And the reason I do not believe I "need to go back to...." where my forefathers historically came from is that I am not committing genocide on the native Thais, whose country I now live in. If I started to do that, then, yes, I believe I should be expelled from Thailand, just as I believe the Jews (race) should be expelled from Palestine if they can't come to an agreement with the resident Arabs on a two-state solution.

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

No, I am not a Christian, nor do I claim to be a member of any religion. However, my parents claimed to be Christians. But, more importantly, you are mixing up religion and genetics, which I will refer to as "race" in the rest of this comment.

Your mixing up religion and race is understandable when speaking about "Jews," since "Jews" refers to BOTH a religion and a race. "Christian" only refers to a religion. In the context of this forum, the terms we often use are:

Religion: Jews vs Muslims

Race: Jews vs Arabs

Group: Israelis vs Palestinians
Ultra-right-wing, nationalist government: (a term I'm not allowed to use on these forums) vs Hamas.

So, when I say the Jews originated in Goshen, I am referring to their race. If I were to say the same thing about the Palestinians, I would say they are Arabs and originated in Palestine. 

But, back to your comment. I am White, so my forefathers (race) certainly did not originate in what is now called the USA, where I was born, or in Thailand, where I have lived for over 20 years. And the reason I do not believe I "need to go back to...." where my forefathers historically came from is that I am not committing genocide on the native Thais, whose country I now live in. If I started to do that, then, yes, I believe I should be expelled from Thailand, just as I believe the Jews (race) should be expelled from Palestine if they can't come to an agreement with the resident Arabs on a two-state solution.

 

   It is actually the Palestinians who originate from Egypt and they are the ones who intend to commit genocide on Jews and its the Palestinians who wont accept  a 2SS

   So, its the Palestinians who need to go back to Egypt