4 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

Are you that dumb? Or are you intentionally overreading the core message:

 

OK, maybe too many words for you so here is the summary:

 

Between 2017 and 2021, Thousands of Palestinians were shot and more than 70.000 heavily injured by the IDF or settlers on Palestinian soil.

 

Many Palestinians filed complaints.

 

But from all those complaints only 1260 were accepted by the Israeli military law enforcement system.

 

Most of those complaints were dismissed after a "preliminary examination," and only 248 investigations were opened.

 

Again, the vast majority of them were closed without prosecution.

 

11 investigations led to indictments against soldiers.

 

A few soldiers got prosecuted and received sentences

 

Less than 1% of the IDF soldiers who had murdered innocent Palestinians, many of them children, were prosecuted. They got 1 to 2 months of community service.

 

Classic APARTHEID

 

Got it? No?

 

Read for yourself:

 

https://www.mekomit.co.il/הסיכוי-לכתב-אישום-נגד-חייל-שפגע-בפלסטי/

Oh, so now you call me dumb, because I catch you lying. That's as far as I got. 

 

Admit you were lying, apologize for calling me dumb, and I'll read the rest of your post.

 

You know, “Uneducated people tend to insult and repeat, they don't have the brain power to discuss anything on a normal level and therefore resort to using insults.”

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

So you were only lying about Gaza?

Wait, what? Gazans were travelling outside their borders? How is that possible in an open-air-prison?

 

A few were allowed for medical treatment for example.

 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Well, they could stay clear of the border, yes?

And what about the thousands of rockets Palestinians fire into Israel, intentionally killing or disabling kids?

 

Yep, some self-made excuses of a missile which almost never caused major damage.

 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

You lie and call it unimportant "mistakes". 

More shame on you for lying. 

 

Do you understand that I told an imaginary story based on true incidents?  My core messages were no lies. 

 

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

 

What was the question? Once I see someone blathering on making stuff up, I quit reading.

 

You quit reading and start whitewashing.

 

And try to distract from the facts

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, so now you call me dumb, because I catch you lying. That's as far as I got. 

 

Admit you were lying, apologize for calling me dumb, and I'll read the rest of your post.

 

You know, “Uneducated people tend to insult and repeat, they don't have the brain power to discuss anything on a normal level and therefore resort to using insults.”

 

You understand the difference between an insult and a question, do you?

 

I did not call you dumb.

 

You called me a liar based on a fictional story, which I clearly identified as one and tried to distract from my core message.

1 minute ago, Somjot said:

 

You understand the difference between an accusation and a question, do you?

 

I did not call you dumb.

 

You called me a liar based on a fictional story, which I clearly identified as one and tried to distract from my core message.

"Are you that dumb? Or are you intentionally overreading the core message:

 

OK, maybe too many words for you so here is the summary:"

 

This is not meant to be insulting, really?

 

Okay, you weren't lying, you just made up a story. I apologize. I thought you were implying the story honesty depicted Gazan life, but it did not, it was all just silliness. Again, I apologize. 

 

 

13 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

A few were allowed for medical treatment for example.

In an open air prison.

13 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

 

Yep, some self-made excuses of a missile which almost never caused major damage.

But that were absolutely meant to kill as many children as possible. And they were not all "self made".

13 minutes ago, Somjot said:

Do you understand that I told an imaginary story based on true incidents?  My core messages were no lies. 

Yes, I understand you made the whole thing up. 

13 minutes ago, Somjot said:

You quit reading and start whitewashing.

 

And try to distract from the facts

I quit reading when I saw it was full of falsehoods, and you subsequently admitted you made it up. 

13 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

 

 

So? Maybe the Palestinians should quit trying to kill Jewish children for a while. what do you think? 

On 10/14/2025 at 2:24 PM, Hanaguma said:

Yes, just like Nazi Concentration Camps.

 

Complete with ice cream stands, cafes, grocery stores.

 

Here is the Al Mashtah Hotel in the concentration camp.

 

The Al Mashtal Hotel (also spelled Al-Mashtal) in Gaza City, Gaza Strip, was bombed and completely destroyed in late 2023 during Israeli military operations in the region. Maybe do some research if trying to publish propaganda.

On 10/14/2025 at 1:31 PM, Hanaguma said:

Really? How many prisons have properties such as the Grand Palace Hotel?

 

https://grandpalace.ps/

 

or car dealerships like Golden Motors, who sold Benz and BMW...

 

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DGiPF_Hs_ZO/

 

Some prison...

So the swimming pools, bathing areas and gyms in concentration camps would also justify the camps to not be that bad, if using your illogical reasoning?

1 minute ago, ChaiyaTH said:

The Al Mashtal Hotel (also spelled Al-Mashtal) in Gaza City, Gaza Strip, was bombed and completely destroyed in late 2023 during Israeli military operations in the region. T

The claim is that Gaza was an open-air-prison before the 10-7 attack.

 

That it was an open-air-prison, was justification for the raping, killing. torturing and kidnapping 1,200 mostly children. 

9 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

The claim is that Gaza was an open-air-prison before the 10-7 attack.

 

That it was an open-air-prison, was justification for the raping, killing. torturing and kidnapping 1,200 mostly children. 

It was a open prison before that already too for the majority of people. The only difference is that back then they still had buildings and some form of economy, of which mostly benefited israeli's too. Like how can you even dare to make stuff like this up, it's an absolute nightmare and most people could and can't leave.
 
Like who are you trying to joke with here, the fact that a few american palestinian business people owned decent places justifies what is reality for 95% + of the population and their (lack of) freedom? Anyway, the world woke up already and times will change soon.

The entire WW2 excusing is out of the window too. Perhaps the bible is right, soon you israel faces a repeat of history again.
 

Based on extensive documentation from human rights organizations, United Nations experts, and international observers, I would consider Gaza to have functioned as an "open-air prison" for many years—particularly since the imposition of a blockade in 2007—due to severe, long-standing restrictions on freedom of movement, access to resources, and economic activity that have profoundly limited the lives of its approximately 2.3 million residents.

 

This characterization isn't my invention; it's a widely adopted metaphor reflecting the territory's isolation, high population density (one of the world's highest), and dependency on external aid, which have been exacerbated by periodic conflicts and, more recently, the ongoing war since October 2023.

Israel controls all air, sea, and most land crossings (e.g., Erez and Kerem Shalom), while Egypt controls the Rafah crossing to the south. Permits for exit are rare and often denied for non-humanitarian reasons.Fewer than 1% of Gazans can travel abroad annually; students, patients, and traders face indefinite barriers, preventing family visits, education, or work opportunities.

Imposed jointly by Israel and Egypt in June 2007 after Hamas seized control from the Palestinian Authority. Intended as temporary, it became indefinite, with brief easings (e.g., during ceasefires). Over 18 years, it has stifled economic growth; unemployment hovers around 45-50%, and 80% rely on aid.

Limits on imports (e.g., construction materials deemed "dual-use" for security reasons) and exports; fishing zone restricted to 6-12 nautical miles; no functional airport or seaport under Palestinian control.Chronic shortages of electricity (4-8 hours/day), water (95% undrinkable), and fuel, leading to health crises like untreated sewage and disease outbreaks.

UN experts (2023) describe the entire occupied Palestinian territory as an "open-air prison" due to confinement and surveillance. Human Rights Watch (2022) calls Gaza specifically Israel's "open-air prison at 15," citing collective punishment. Amnesty International and Norwegian Refugee Council echo this, labeling it the "world's largest open-air prison."As of 2025, UN reports note intensified violations amid the genocide allegations in Gaza.

7 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

It was a open prison before that already too for the majority of people. The only difference is that back then they still had buildings and some form of economy, of which mostly benefited israeli's too. Like how can you even dare to make stuff like this up, it's an absolute nightmare and most people could and can't leave.
 
Like who are you trying to joke with here, the fact that a few american palestinian business people owned decent places justifies what is reality for 95% + of the population and their (lack of) freedom? Anyway, the world woke up already and times will change soon.

The entire WW2 excusing is out of the window too. Perhaps the bible is right, soon you israel faces a repeat of history again.
 

Why did the Palestinians not just relocate to Jordon or Egypt or another Arab country? 

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Why did the Palestinians not just relocate to Jordon or Egypt or another Arab country? 

Why would that be necessary if you claim that they were free until only the fake october attack? How do you think people become radical? Perhaps by exact what happened since over 15 years. The intellectual and IQ part really lacks once again...

 

The irony is that I speak regular with some very orthodox jews, and they even admit and point this out.

2 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Why would that be necessary if you claim that they were free until only the fake october attack? How do you think people become radical? Perhaps by exact what happened since over 15 years. The intellectual and IQ part really lacks once again...

 

Did you not understand the question? 

 

2 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

 

The irony is that I speak regular with some very orthodox jews, and they even admit and point this out.

Sure you do. 

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

 

Did you not understand the question? 

 

Sure you do. 

I guess you seem to miss the point, you are lying and speaking biased, secondly you ignore what most people know are facts; they behave like <deleted> in Thailand, thirdly you seem to miss the point that by putting the old world war 2 cards doesn't work anymore. Last but not least you ignore long standing freedom issues that date from over 1.5 decade ago. 

A smart and educated response of Israeli's would be to show the difference, and admit the wrongdoing and ill behavior of fellow country men, that would raise sympathy and understanding. However, as you confirm with a few other people on this site alone, you do not care at all and just illicit justify wrong behavior and doing. This is not unique to this forum and you + a few others too, it's 99% of the time everywhere like that. No wonder everyone has issues with you guys since centuries.

8 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

No wonder everyone has issues with you guys since centuries.

 

By "you guys,"  do you mean Jews?  No one could have been having issues with Zionists or Israelis for centuries.  Are you justifying the centuries of persecution of Jews by saying Jews have done something (you don't say what) that deserves antisemitic  reactions?

12 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

I guess you seem to miss the point, you are lying and speaking biased, secondly you ignore what most people know are facts; they behave like <deleted> in Thailand, thirdly you seem to miss the point that by putting the old world war 2 cards doesn't work anymore. Last but not least you ignore long standing freedom issues that date from over 1.5 decade ago. 

What was the point?

What have I lies about?

12 minutes ago, ChaiyaTH said:

 

A smart and educated response of Israeli's would be to show the difference, and admit the wrongdoing and ill behavior of fellow country men, that would raise sympathy and understanding. However, as you confirm with a few other people on this site alone, you do not care at all and just illicit justify wrong behavior and doing. This is not unique to this forum and you + a few others too, it's 99% of the time everywhere like that. No wonder everyone has issues with you guys since centuries.

So if I were smart and educated, I would support the eradication of Israel?

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

"Are you that dumb? Or are you intentionally overreading the core message:

 

OK, maybe too many words for you so here is the summary:"

 

This is not meant to be insulting, really?

 

Okay, you weren't lying, you just made up a story. I apologize. I thought you were implying the story honesty depicted Gazan life, but it did not, it was all just silliness. Again, I apologize. 

 

 

I apologize to you. 

And yes, somehow that was an insult but I was just "cooperating" to see how far that gets.

 

Because it was very clear from the start that you're not having a conversation here.

 

What you did was it quite well-known debate strategy, mostly used in discussions when your opponent is exposing something which is contrary to your position and in addition is having the better arguments.

 

1. Pick out some completely unimportant debatable point and accuse your opponent of being a liar

  

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

You would have to imaging, because there were no Israeli soldiers in Gaza in 2020.

 

Are you lying or just mistaken?

 

2. Confuse your opponent with the next triviality 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Okay, so no Israeli soldiers in Gaza in 2020, but some in the West Bank. There are less than 170K active personnel TOTAL in the IDF, and there are about three-million Palestinians in the West Bank, but we're to believe that these three-million Palestinians are all being harassed almost daily and sometimes pushed around by the IDF.

 

If half the IDF are in the West Bank full time, each one would have got door to door and harass 35 Palestinians a day for this to be true. 

 

3. Create more confusion by taking out every sentence out of context and machine gunning him with questions 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

So you were only lying about Gaza?

Wait, what? Gazans were travelling outside their borders? How is that possible in an open-air-prison?

Well, they could stay clear of the border, yes?

And what about the thousands of rockets Palestinians fire into Israel, intentionally killing or disabling kids?

You lie and call it unimportant "mistakes". 

More shame on you for lying. 

 

What was the question? Once I see someone blathering on making stuff up, I quit reading.

 

4. Until he gets frustrated and might even swear at you

 

1 hour ago, Somjot said:

Are you that dumb? Or are you intentionally overreading the core message:

OK, maybe too many words for you so here is the summary:

https://www.mekomit.co.il/הסיכוי-לכתב-אישום-נגד-חייל-שפגע-בפלסטי/

 

5. Accuse him of his misbehavior towards you and continue with victim switching while branding him as uneducated and lacking brain power so following logic anything he said is wrong and stupid.

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, so now you call me dumb, because I catch you lying. That's as far as I got. 

 

Admit you were lying, apologize for calling me dumb, and I'll read the rest of your post.

 

You know, “Uneducated people tend to insult and repeat, they don't have the brain power to discuss anything on a normal level and therefore resort to using insults.”

  

You are not dumb. You are actually very smart and have mastered this debate strategy.

 

The only sad thing is that you obviously do not realize what you are doing.

 

You are protecting a fascist and apartheid system while whitewashing its aggressions and brutality towards people it has occupied in the past and justifying more atrocities towards them in the present and the future.

 

You are stripping the Palestinians of their basic human rights and condemn them for things Israel has done to them 1000 times more.

 

And you do all this by downplaying or denying Israeli atrocities While trying to present them as the victims.

 

Same as you I am not able to offer a solution but other than you, I strongly believe that a fair solution for both sides can only be found by unsparingly revealing the truth of the actions and crimes of both sides And not by hiding it and trying to rewrite history.

 

Because this way you are condemned to repeat it.

 

3 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

One of the oldest antisemitic tropes is that Jews feel superior to other people and have formed a secret conspiracy to rule the world.

 

Buddy, are you suffering from memory loss?

I posted that 3 days ago.

 

 

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

The claim is that Gaza was an open-air-prison before the 10-7 attack.

 

That it was an open-air-prison, was justification for the raping, killing. torturing and kidnapping 1,200 mostly children. 

 

Why do you again try blame switching by intentionally mistaking explanation for justification?

 

NOBODY here justified the atrocities of October 7. Stop implying that.

 

But the way Israel had treated Gazans for decades, the Thousands of dead and Ten thousands of disabled were an explanation for it. 

 

Stop the wrong accusations.

 

The 1200 killed were not mostly children. 30 of them were children.

 

And if you rightfully condemn that why not condemn the 17.000 dead kids in Gaza?

 

 

17 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

I apologize to you. 

And yes, somehow that was an insult but I was just "cooperating" to see how far that gets.

 

Because it was very clear from the start that you're not having a conversation here.

 

What you did was it quite well-known debate strategy, mostly used in discussions when your opponent is exposing something which is contrary to your position and in addition is having the better arguments.

 

1. Pick out some completely unimportant debatable point and accuse your opponent of being a liar

  

 

2. Confuse your opponent with the next triviality 

 

 

3. Create more confusion by taking out every sentence out of context and machine gunning him with questions 

 

 

4. Until he gets frustrated and might even swear at you

 

 

5. Accuse him of his misbehavior towards you and continue with victim switching while branding him as uneducated and lacking brain power so following logic anything he said is wrong and stupid.

 

  

You are not dumb. You are actually very smart and have mastered this debate strategy.

 

The only sad thing is that you obviously do not realize what you are doing.

 

You are protecting a fascist and apartheid system while whitewashing its aggressions and brutality towards people it has occupied in the past and justifying more atrocities towards them in the present and the future.

 

You are stripping the Palestinians of their basic human rights and condemn them for things Israel has done to them 1000 times more.

 

And you do all this by downplaying or denying Israeli atrocities While trying to present them as the victims.

 

Same as you I am not able to offer a solution but other than you, I strongly believe that a fair solution for both sides can only be found by unsparingly revealing the truth of the actions and crimes of both sides And not by hiding it and trying to rewrite history.

 

Because this way you are condemned to repeat it.

 

Hero

34 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What was the point?

What have I lies about?

So if I were smart and educated, I would support the eradication of Israel?

Support what? Who ever mentioned this anywhere in recent history. Why you play victim being guilty to then make up a threat nobody ever mentioned? 
 

Like nobody even cares about israel, as long we can keep all of you there, same you did to gazans. 

37 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

By "you guys,"  do you mean Jews?  No one could have been having issues with Zionists or Israelis for centuries.  Are you justifying the centuries of persecution of Jews by saying Jews have done something (you don't say what) that deserves antisemitic  reactions?

Yes i mean jews as those are the subject. What persecutions compared to dozens of others like burmese to start with?

 

You have to be quite retarded to think jews are unique in this. And nobody ever did a thing until jews <deleted> around, same before ww2 started jews provoked it with central banks in paris.

10 minutes ago, Somjot said:

 

Why do you again try blame switching by intentionally mistaking explanation for justification?

 

NOBODY here justified the atrocities of October 7. Stop implying that.

 

But the way Israel had treated Gazans for decades, the Thousands of dead and Ten thousands of disabled were an explanation for it. 

 

Stop the wrong accusations.

 

The 1200 killed were not mostly children. 30 of them were children.

 

And if you rightfully condemn that why not condemn the 17.000 dead kids in Gaza?

 

 

The stand down order on the october attacks is highly suspicious and never justified until to date with even one sentence of logic or facts.

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

In an open air prison.

But that were absolutely meant to kill as many children as possible. And they were not all "self made".

Yes, I understand you made the whole thing up. 

I quit reading when I saw it was full of falsehoods, and you subsequently admitted you made it up. 

So? Maybe the Palestinians should quit trying to kill Jewish children for a while. what do you think? 

Pathetic.

58 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

By "you guys,"  do you mean Jews?  No one could have been having issues with Zionists or Israelis for centuries.  Are you justifying the centuries of persecution of Jews by saying Jews have done something (you don't say what) that deserves antisemitic  reactions?

You have lost the right to use that antisemitism card. Interesting no one, including you, says anything when people say Muslims are the problem. The days of Jews being exempt from criticism is over. 

2 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

Buddy, are you suffering from memory loss?

I posted that 3 days ago.

 

And?  The comment you quoted wasn't aimed at you.

 

2 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

Yes i mean jews as those are the subject. What persecutions compared to dozens of others like burmese to start with?

, 

We can start with the attack on the synagogue in Manchester, but there are literally millions of other examples spread over 2,000 years. 

 

This history of antisemitism from the Encyclopedia Britannica has many of them:

https://www.britannica.com/topic/antisemitism/Nazi-antisemitism-and-the-Holocaust

 

And some more recent examples:

 

Terrorist Attacks Against Jewish Targets in the West (2012-2019): The Atlantic Divide Between European and American Attackers

https://ctc.westpoint.edu/terrorist-attacks-jewish-targets-west-2012-2019-atlantic-divide-european-american-attackers/

 

From Lynchings to Mass Shootings: The History of Deadly Attacks on Jews in America

https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2018-10-29/ty-article-magazine/.premium/from-lynchings-to-mass-shootings-the-history-of-deadly-attacks-on-jews-in-america/0000017f-dbe6-d856-a37f-ffe6a4840000

 

 I could give many. many more examples of the persecution of Jews through the ages, but we're not allowed to post too many links.

 

2 hours ago, ChaiyaTH said:

You have to be quite retarded to think jews are unique in this. And nobody ever did a thing until jews <deleted> around, same before ww2 started jews provoked it with central banks in paris.

 

 

I certainly don't believe Jews are the only minority group to have ever been persecuted,  but those other groups have no connection to this  thread.  Jews were persecuted 2,000 years prior to the start of WWII.  Jews had NOTHING to do with "central banks in paris" (???) or provoking WWII.   That's hardcore antisemitism according to the working definition of antisemitism of the International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance, which has been adopted by numerous countries and organizations:

https://holocaustremembrance.com/

 

It's interesting to see some AN members are dropping the "Israeli" and "Zionist" code words and  straight out using "Jews"  and denying the existence of antisemitism.  I hear the tones of the Horst-Wessel-Lied in the background.  Maybe I should change the flag of Israel for this avatar:   

7 hours ago, Somjot said:

So are you saying that Gazans had a totally normal life, just like you and me?

If they ever decide to live in peace, they have a chance at an everyday life. 

4 hours ago, JimCM said:

You have lost the right to use that antisemitism card.

 

Jews won back that card in 1945 and since then, it, like the ace of spades in bridge, has been played whenever appropriate. Many people have been trying  once again to take that card away from Jews, but it's still high as trump.

 

4 hours ago, JimCM said:

Interesting no one, including you, says anything when people say Muslims are the problem. 

 

Do you defend Muslims when someone says they are the problem?  How about Jews? 

 

4 hours ago, JimCM said:

 The days of Jews being exempt from criticism is over. 

 

Jews have never been exempt from criticism, nor should they be.  But there's a huge difference between criticism and antisemitism.  And I was right about the background music.  https://archive.org/details/wolfnacht-horst-wessel-lied

7 hours ago, Somjot said:

 

The only sad thing is that you obviously do not realize what you are doing.

 

 

Do you think you pro-Israel protagonists help the Israeli cause or as a result of your denials & justifications just convert or harden the readers views against Israel here?

 

What you are actually achieving by all this debate is educating most readers in all the atrocities and reasons why the Palestinian peoples have been suffering for generations as a result of Israel's illegal actions.

 

 

I've never seen a more typical case of an "own goal" in my life.

4 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 

Jews won back that card in 1945 and since then, it, like the ace of spades in bridge, has been played whenever appropriate. Many people have been trying  once again to take that card away from Jews, but it's still high as trump.

 

 

Do you defend Muslims when someone says they are the problem?  How about Jews? 

 

 

Jews have never been exempt from criticism, nor should they be.  But there's a huge difference between criticism and antisemitism.  And I was right about the background music.  https://archive.org/details/wolfnacht-horst-wessel-lied

Before the rise of Zionism and the ensuing wars, many Jewish and Muslim families in the region spoke the same languages, shared neighborhoods, and participated in each other’s festivals and commerce. The Jews caused and continue to cause all the conflicts in the ME with continued land grabs and illegal settlements in Palestinian lands. 
You know very well that it is accepted by many, including forums like this to say things like Muslims cause all the problems in the UK but when saying Jews cause all the problems in the ME, that antisemitism card is abused.

You know very well that Netanyahu, Smotrich, Ben Gvir want and the latter have stated recently that they are going to take all Gaza, West Bank and even farther afield. It is this greed and arrogance that they are better than others that has caused the hatred of Israel around the world, even in Thailand, a very tolerant nation.

I’ve no idea why you continue to support the vile extremist Israeli government.

Were you in the US army, brainwashed into unjust wars and all Muslims are evil.

Do you think 11/9 happened in a vacuum, do you think 7/10 happened in a vacuum?