Meat was expensive before trump. Grocery prices doubled in the four years under Biden. No evidence of tariffs causing any increase thus far, just a bot account generating random nonsense

Thai Coffee is really good, no need to buy crazy imports. lately I dont know why, the quality of coffee has dropped. My favorite has always been Brazil Santos or Minas Gerais, then Thai beans from north as long as it's not too old. 

 

Beef, that's something I will never understand why it is just so bad and hard to find good cuts, and it's so bloody expensive to get the nice Ribeye or Striploin cuts... Tenderloin, forget about it!

How I eat beef now: I buy from local fresh market grass fed, super hard but damn tasty, then I do slow cooking. no way steaks. besides slow cook is much more nutritious. 

 

2 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Meat was expensive before trump. Grocery prices doubled in the four years under Biden. No evidence of tariffs causing any increase thus far, just a bot account generating random nonsense

Stop making things up:

U.S. food prices rose by 23.6 percent from 2020 to 2024

 

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/chart-detail?chartId=58350

2 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Stop making things up:

U.S. food prices rose by 23.6 percent from 2020 to 2024

 

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/chart-detail?chartId=58350

Thats cool have you even ever been to the US? Not even sure youre a real person

25 minutes ago, angryguy said:

Thats cool have you even ever been to the US? Not even sure youre a real person

But I am sure of is that you made that number up. Which calls into question your grasp of reality.

2 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Pork loin in Lotussssssss  Fresh 120bht/Kg

Minced pork 102bht/kg

 

 

I'm hungry now!!  I'm off downstairs to buy some pork; hasn't changed price by any more than 5% in the 5 years I've been here!

46 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Stop making things up:

U.S. food prices rose by 23.6 percent from 2020 to 2024

 

https://www.ers.usda.gov/data-products/chart-gallery/chart-detail?chartId=58350

Google AI search ...

In the year 2000, the average price for a dozen eggs was about $0.91

In late 2024, the average price of a dozen eggs at Walmartwas around $4.15

 

Chicken priced at $2.08 in 2000 → $3.97 in 2024

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for chicken were 91.07% higher in 2024 versus 2000

 

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for uncooked ground beef were 189.15% higher in 2024 versus 2000

 

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for pork were 70.63% higher in 2024 versus 2000

 

chicken, pork, beef price ... source: https://www.in2013dollars.com/us-economy

 

5 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Google AI search ...

In the year 2000, the average price for a dozen eggs was about $0.91

In late 2024, the average price of a dozen eggs at Walmartwas around $4.15

 

Chicken priced at $2.08 in 2000 → $3.97 in 2024

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for chicken were 91.07% higher in 2024 versus 2000

 

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for uncooked ground beef were 189.15% higher in 2024 versus 2000

 

According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, prices for pork were 70.63% higher in 2024 versus 2000

 

chicken, pork, beef price ... source: https://www.in2013dollars.com/us-economy

 

It's really funny that in reference to grocery prices, you engage in cherry-picking. You're such a kidder.

14 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Basically, the 2 main reasons are climate change and tariffs.

 

Uh...no.

 

The ONLY reason is because it's a 1000% psyop designed to get you off nutritious meats and foods, and to restrict your movement and travel.

 

Climate change, like space and the moon landing, is a one million percent mind scrub psyop.

 

'You will eat mealworms, own nothing, and be happyyyyyy!!'

48 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

It's really funny that in reference to grocery prices, you engage in cherry-picking. You're such a kidder.

Not cherry picking at all, just 4 of the basics, I live on here, TH, as I would there, USA.  Fruits & veggies are seasonal & regional.  Those raw materials carry over to prepared & restaurant pricing.  

 

Do we dare mention property & rent prices ... 20 what % 

 

Just pointing out, you know nothing about the inflation in the USA, or much else that you post about, including Trump.

 

.... 20 what % over 4 ish yrs 

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Not cherry picking at all, just 4 of the basics, I live on here, TH, as I would there, USA.  Fruits & veggies are seasonal & regional.  Those raw materials carry over to prepared & restaurant pricing.  

 

Do we dare mention property & rent prices ... 20 what % 

 

Just pointing out, you know nothing about the inflation in the USA, or much else that you post about, including Trump.

 

.... 20 what % over 4 ish yrs 

Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance about what cherry picking is. 

And as for knowing nothing about inflation in the USA, I rely on experts and not on anonymous posters on ASEAN com.

5 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance about what cherry picking is. 

And as for knowing nothing about inflation in the USA, I rely on experts and not on anonymous posters on ASEAN com.

That wasn't my info, that was from the US Dept of Labor.

 

Oh yea, links that I post, the lefties never look at, but comment, simply proving their total ignorance, or believe in any 'FACTS' when presented.   Shoot the messenger, not the message, that didn't come from me, I just delivered it.

 

US Dept of Labor wouldn't know anything, even though they regulate many things.

 

Your numbers are from what orifice, or are you so ignorant, that you used the COLAs given out to Soc Sec benefits ... 

19 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Thanks for demonstrating your ignorance about what cherry picking is. 

And as for knowing nothing about inflation in the USA, I rely on experts and not on anonymous posters on ASEAN com.

Meanwhile, for those cherry picking and wahwah'ing over beef and banana prices, its worth bearing in mind the Nasdaq and other broad measure indexes hit NEW RECORD HIGHS AGAIN. Hooray for President Trump, his big beautiful tariffs and his art of the deal. Absolute GOAT.

43 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

That wasn't my info, that was from the US Dept of Labor.

 

Oh yea, links that I post, the lefties never look at, but comment, simply proving their total ignorance, or believe in any 'FACTS' when presented.   Shoot the messenger, not the message, that didn't come from me, I just delivered it.

 

US Dept of Labor wouldn't know anything, even though they regulate many things.

 

Your numbers are from what orifice, or are you so ignorant, that you used the COLAs given out to Soc Sec benefits ... 

There's something almost endearingly childlike about ssomeone who thinks because they pick and choose from a reliable source that means that they aren't cherry-picking.

greenhouse operators pump in up to 1500 ppm co2 at cost to make plants grow better,

and a superhabitable earth is much warmer than current ice age,

the biomass and biodiversity at the equator where its the warmest is unmatched

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@KhunLA

5 minutes ago, mordothailand said:

greenhouse operators pump in up to 1500 ppm co2 at cost to make plants grow better,

and a superhabitable earth is much warmer than current ice age,

the biomass and biodiversity at the equator where its the warmest is unmatched

You're missing the point. As far as food production is concerned it's not about biomass but about fertility of the soils. Soils in the temperate zones are the most fertile and the best resource for the production of most grains except for rice. And grains are what provide the bulk of calories for humans.

 

Mollisol

Mollisols are soils of grassland ecosystems, particularly in temperate regions, known for their dark, organic-rich mollic epipedon (surface horizon). These soils are highly fertile and are among the best agricultural soils globally.

Key Characteristics:

Dark, nutrient-rich surface layer, rich in organic matter and bases like calcium and magnesium.

Found in grasslands, prairies, and steppe regions.

Fertile, typically neutral to slightly alkaline pH.

Agricultural Significance: Mollisols are highly productive soils, globally supporting major cereal crop production.

Oxisols

Oxisols are highly weathered soils dominated by iron and aluminium oxides, common in tropical and subtropical regions.

Key Characteristics:

Low nutrient reserves and high acidity.

Poor fertility due to extensive leaching.

Agricultural Significance: Sustainable use requires intensive management, such as lime application and nutrient replenishment.

https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/lec/research/soil-science-knowledge/twelve-soil-orders/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

As for CO2

NASA Study: Rising Carbon Dioxide Levels Will Help and Hurt Crops

https://www.nasa.gov/technology/nasa-study-rising-carbon-dioxide-levels-will-help-and-hurt-crops/

 

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

You're missing the point. As far as food production is concerned it's not about biomass but about fertility of the soils. Soils in the temperate zones are the most fertile and the best resource for the production of most grains except for rice. And grains are what provide the bulk of calories for humans.

 

Mollisol

Mollisols are soils of grassland ecosystems, particularly in temperate regions, known for their dark, organic-rich mollic epipedon (surface horizon). These soils are highly fertile and are among the best agricultural soils globally.

Key Characteristics:

Dark, nutrient-rich surface layer, rich in organic matter and bases like calcium and magnesium.

Found in grasslands, prairies, and steppe regions.

Fertile, typically neutral to slightly alkaline pH.

Agricultural Significance: Mollisols are highly productive soils, globally supporting major cereal crop production.

Oxisols

Oxisols are highly weathered soils dominated by iron and aluminium oxides, common in tropical and subtropical regions.

Key Characteristics:

Low nutrient reserves and high acidity.

Poor fertility due to extensive leaching.

Agricultural Significance: Sustainable use requires intensive management, such as lime application and nutrient replenishment.

https://www.lancaster.ac.uk/lec/research/soil-science-knowledge/twelve-soil-orders/?utm_source=chatgpt.com

 

As for CO2

NASA Study: Rising Carbon Dioxide Levels Will Help and Hurt Crops

https://www.nasa.gov/technology/nasa-study-rising-carbon-dioxide-levels-will-help-and-hurt-crops/

 

 

 

 

nasa is wrong

https://fifthseasongardening.com/regulating-carbon-dioxide

 

there are benefits to raising the CO2 level higher than the global average, up to 1500 ppm. With CO2 maintained at this level, yields can be increased by as much as 30%!

8 minutes ago, mordothailand said:

nasa is wrong

https://fifthseasongardening.com/regulating-carbon-dioxide

 

there are benefits to raising the CO2 level higher than the global average, up to 1500 ppm. With CO2 maintained at this level, yields can be increased by as much as 30%!

If you believe that the crops  gardeners raise has much relevance to the issue of grain production then you have a point. Otherwise not so much. And I see you have nothing to post in reply about the issue of soil fertility.

38 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

If you believe that the crops  gardeners raise has much relevance to the issue of grain production then you have a point. Otherwise not so much. And I see you have nothing to post in reply about the issue of soil fertility.

https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/goddard/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth-study-finds/

 

From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide

3 minutes ago, mordothailand said:

https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/goddard/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth-study-finds/

 

From a quarter to half of Earth’s vegetated lands has shown significant greening over the last 35 years largely due to rising levels of atmospheric carbon dioxide

First off, what has this got to do with the crops most important to human welfare? The evidence I already cited shows a net minus for those crops.

 

6 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

First off, what has this got to do with the crops most important to human welfare? The evidence I already cited shows a net minus for those crops.

 

crop yields show a steady increase

 

https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields

1 minute ago, mordothailand said:

crop yields show a steady increase

 

https://ourworldindata.org/crop-yields

Despite or because of CO2? The scientific consensus is despite.

7 hours ago, howlee101 said:

I thought the reason was cow farts 🤔

Cow farts = methane

4 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Despite or because of CO2? The scientific consensus is despite.

only consensus for fund grabbing pseudoscience,

your favorite plant doesnt fully reach is potential until 2400 ppm co2,

which is to be expected, as life evolved at much higher co2 than we have today

 

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Global-Temperature-and-CO2-levels-over-600-million-years-Source-MacRae-2008_fig1_280548391

6 minutes ago, mordothailand said:

only consensus for fund grabbing pseudoscience,

your favorite plant doesnt fully reach is potential until 2400 ppm co2,

which is to be expected, as life evolved at much higher co2 than we have today

 

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Global-Temperature-and-CO2-levels-over-600-million-years-Source-MacRae-2008_fig1_280548391

unfortunately, the higher temperatures associated with such high levels of CO2 would be quite catastrophic for humans who dwell in the tropics.

ANd your understanding of evolution is ridiculous. Evolution is mostly a response to changing conditions. To claim that conditions millions of years ago are suited to the various forms of life as they exist today is obviously massively wrong.,

46 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

unfortunately, the higher temperatures associated with such high levels of CO2 would be quite catastrophic for humans who dwell in the tropics.

ANd your understanding of evolution is ridiculous. Evolution is mostly a response to changing conditions. To claim that conditions millions of years ago are suited to the various forms of life as they exist today is obviously massively wrong.,

we are stuck in an ice age, and the sooner we exit the merrier

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation

6 hours ago, BritManToo said:

There are no reputable scientific sources, they've all been politicized.

 

In other words........ paid for !      I do believe you are becoming a conspiracy theorist, BM2 .      Welcome .

7 minutes ago, mordothailand said:

we are stuck in an ice age, and the sooner we exit the merrier

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quaternary_glaciation

 

wikipedia ?????     another left wing outlet .

 

actually..... there is a big big climate meeting somewhere,   and my guess is that they are trying to decide whether to go with the  "global warning hysteria"  or the "global cooling"  narrative .

 

After a week of high cost accomodations , caviar and cocktails ....... they will surely just stick with  "climate change" .    Heck,  can't go wrong with that.

 

"OK...... fuel up my jet .   We're off to the next summit ."

18 hours ago, Tug said:

Why respond if it doesn’t affect you?trumps feckless tariffs especially on Brazil who has a trade surplus with us is a major one 20$ a pound for steak now (and that’s if you shop around) unground coffee beans at Costco 20$ for 2 pounds……all thanks to Donald……he’s basically assessed an extra 20% sales tax on all of us consumers yup some president ehh??

You use your gripe against Trump as usual and do not have a clue to what you say.. Even in Thailand Thai beef or more than 450 baht kilo. and more than 650 baht per kilo for mix breed Thai/Aus beef... That makes it 30 USD for pound or more.  20$ a pound is cheaper than in Thailand and the beef is better in the US..