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Gaza genocide, the world changed – sovereignty died and thuggery

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On 1/22/2026 at 10:22 AM, JimCM said:

One thing I've noticed that at celebrations the Jewish woman have to be hidden behind a curtain, and they're not allowed to balance bottles on their heads. I think it's bar mitzvahs too.

Interesting video.

I could not see any women in the crowd.

I would also like to know what the yellow colored clothing signifies, when everyone else is wearing black.

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17 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Is there any form of last rights in the Jewish faith, administered by a Rabbi, to those where death is imminent, whether from war, or cancer, for example?

Judaism does not have a sacrament similar to the Last Rights of some Christian denominations. It is not customary for a rabbi to visit the bedside of a Jew in his or her final moments and there is no specific ritual for a rabbi to perform. Of course, if asked to stay with a dying person in his final moments and pray with him, a rabbi will do so.

That said, Jews near death are encouraged by some groups to say a confessional prayer called the Viddui, which includes the words, "I regret the hurts I have caused and the mistakes I have made. Forgive my sins and my soul will be pure as it returns to You. Protect those I love whom I leave behind, for their lives are in Your care.”

By tradition, the final words of a Jew before death should be the Shema, or Jewish declaration of faith: "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One ."

20 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Nowadays you can see bottle dancing at all types of Jewish weddings, but it's not that common. When performed at non-Orthodox weddings, the bottle dance is usually done by paid professional entertainers. The other guests may joke around with balancing a plastic bottle on their heads.

But you have to remember bottle dancing was NOT traditional at Jewish weddings and is by no means universal, even at Haredi weddings. It was made popular by the Fiddler on the Roof Broadway play and film. Bottle dancing does not have its roots in Jewish culture.

We're getting into complicated religious concepts now. Among the Haredim, the most pious and perfect life involves constant prayer and study of the Torah and Talmud. This study is an end unto itself and does not always lead to the practitioner becoming a rabbi. Some ultra-Orthodox Jews devote their lives to prayer and study and rely on donations from family or the public to support them.

It's important to keep in mind rabbis are teachers and experts on Jewish law. They are not the equivalent of a Catholic priest or Protestant minister because rabbis don't dispense divine sacraments. However, they do function similar to a pastor, i.e., lead a congregation.

Yes, military service is compulsory for all Israeli Jews, but full-time Haredi scholars were automatically given exemptions. Some Haredim interrupted their studies to serve in the military; others took up secular jobs after intensive study of the Torah. They compromise to some degree with living a "perfect" life of only prayer and study.

I don't want to run afoul of using too many quote boxes, so I'll just quote your final question without a box:

"Question. Many armies, in the past and the present, send a religious leader to army bases. A chaplain, a priest etc. Does the IDF offer religious counciling, or possibly the equivalent of administering "the last rights" as Christians do, to soldiers on or near the battlefield?"

Yes, the IDF has a chaplain corps that provides religious services and counseling to soldiers of all faiths. What is unique about the IDF is that its chaplains are fully trained in combat operations and could lead a combat unit if needed.

There are also special units for ultra-Orthodox troops:

Israeli military enlists first group of ultra-Orthodox recruits into brigade

(CNN) The Israeli military has enlisted the first batch of about 50 recruits into its new ultra-Orthodox brigade after a controversial decision to end their decades-long exemption from service.

By the end of the day, about 100 additional ultra-Orthodox recruits will be enlisted for reserve service, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Sunday.

“The two companies enlisted today mark the initial step in establishing the ultra-Orthodox brigade, a significant milestone in expanding the service of the ultra-Orthodox sector in the IDF, particularly in light of the operational needs arising from the demands of the war,” a statement from the IDF read.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/01/05/middleeast/israel-enlist-first-ultra-orthodox-brigade-intl-latam

Thanks for your informative post. Much appreciated.

Not sure what Nick's problem was with the question, but that's for him to answer, or not.

It lead me to a couple of questions.

You mentioned the Torah and Talmud, but there is also the Tanakh. Can you say, for religious purposes, the hierarchy of these, or are they all equal in the Jewish faith?

Are there any conflicts between them?

Also, you mentioned Rabbi's are are teachers and experts of Jewish law. Has the Israeli government ever made laws that go against, or are not consistent, or not in compliance etc with Jewish law? (nothing to do with the latest orthodox Jews and military service, or the Gaza war, just in historic and general terms)

27 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

I could not see any women in the crowd.

I would also like to know what the yellow colored clothing signifies, when everyone else is wearing black.

Ultra-Orthodox Jews segregate women and men at public celebrations like weddings. I'm only guessing, but I believe the yellow robes indicate the men are entertainers and not ultra-Orthodox Jews, since Haredim don't wear yellow clothes.

9 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Judaism does not have a sacrament similar to the Last Rights of some Christian denominations. It is not customary for a rabbi to visit the bedside of a Jew in his or her final moments and there is no specific ritual for a rabbi to perform. Of course, if asked to stay with a dying person in his final moments and pray with him, a rabbi will do so.

That said, Jews near death are encouraged by some groups to say a confessional prayer called the Viddui, which includes the words, "I regret the hurts I have caused and the mistakes I have made. Forgive my sins and my soul will be pure as it returns to You. Protect those I love whom I leave behind, for their lives are in Your care.”

By tradition, the final words of a Jew before death should be the Shema, or Jewish declaration of faith: "Hear, O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One ."

Thanks again for passing on your knowledge. I am interested in the subject.

2 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Ultra-Orthodox Jews segregate women and men at public celebrations like weddings. I'm only guessing, but I believe the yellow robes indicate the men are entertainers and not ultra-Orthodox Jews, since Haredim don't wear yellow clothes.

Right. That would make sense.

I was thinking they may have been the bridal party guys, as in, friends of the groom, but it's a completely different religion. 🙂

37 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Not sure what Nick's problem was with the question, but that's for him to answer, or not.

I do not have problem with the question, what makes you claim that I did ?

16 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

You mentioned the Torah and Talmud, but there is also the Tanakh. Can you say, for religious purposes, the hierarchy of these, or are they all equal in the Jewish faith?

Are there any conflicts between them?

The Tanakh is the Hebrew Bible, called the Old Testament by Christian groups. The Torah consists of the first five books of the Tanakh, which are called the Five Books of Moses. The Talmud is a collection of commentaries on and analysis of a large collection of Jewish religious texts by rabbis and scholars. The Talmud serves as a guide in detail to everyday Jewish life.

The Tanakh and Torah are considered most authoritative, with Torah believed to have been dictated directly by God to Moses and the other sections to have been divinely inspired.

You'd need to ask a rabbi about conflicts between them, that's beyond my knowledge.

16 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Also, you mentioned Rabbi's are are teachers and experts of Jewish law. Has the Israeli government ever made laws that go against, or are not consistent, or not in compliance etc with Jewish law? (nothing to do with the latest orthodox Jews and military service, or the Gaza war, just in historic and general terms)

There are many conflicts between religious and secular law in Israel, with the Supreme Court of Israel spending a lot of time and effort to resolve them. Keep in mind the Israeli religious courts, whether Jewish, Muslim or Christian, only handle religious issues and never criminal cases. If a decision by a religious court on marriage, child support and similar issues clashes with secular law, it is secular that is considered binding.

On 1/22/2026 at 5:22 PM, JimCM said:

One thing I've noticed that at celebrations the Jewish woman have to be hidden behind a curtain, and they're not allowed to balance bottles on their heads. I think it's bar mitzvahs too.

Not alot of difference between that and Morris dancing or even traditional Thai dancing

37 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

The Tanakh is the Hebrew Bible, called the Old Testament by Christian groups. The Torah consists of the first five books of the Tanakh, which are called the Five Books of Moses. The Talmud is a collection of commentaries on and analysis of a large collection of Jewish religious texts by rabbis and scholars. The Talmud serves as a guide in detail to everyday Jewish life.

The Tanakh and Torah are considered most authoritative, with Torah believed to have been dictated directly by God to Moses and the other sections to have been divinely inspired.

You'd need to ask a rabbi about conflicts between them, that's beyond my knowledge.

There are many conflicts between religious and secular law in Israel, with the Supreme Court of Israel spending a lot of time and effort to resolve them. Keep in mind the Israeli religious courts, whether Jewish, Muslim or Christian, only handle religious issues and never criminal cases. If a decision by a religious court on marriage, child support and similar issues clashes with secular law, it is secular that is considered binding.

Really interesting. Clearly, Jewish society, and religion's place in that society, is very different to my upbringing and religion, which is fine. From your post, being Jewish, and living in Israeli, appears to be a little bit of a mine field for young Israeli's.

I will now post a youtube video. I Googled and came across this channel in order to post a video in another post / thread, but ended up watching a few of his videos.

I must say, I was shocked. Jewish people appeared to answer honestly, which you can tell from their facial expressions and body language, and of course their words.

They stated Islam is a closer religion to Judaism than Christianity.

I doubt Muslims would answer the same way, but wondered if that could be due to geopolitical conflict, more so than religion, given what the Jews say in this video.

I welcome your opinion.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I do not have problem with the question, what makes you claim that I did ?

This was your reply.

"The IDF take Muslim Imams with them , so they can bless and say goodbye to the Muslim enemies perishing on the ground , as Israelis march on trampling over them"

Clearly, you were ridiculing my question. Fine. Maybe I got you on a bad posting day.

I got an informative answer from EP.

All good.

So, here's another question you can ridicule, if you like.

Can you briefly explain to me the meaning of the candlestick thing in Judasim? Yes, I can Google it, but in layman's terms would be better.

3 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

They stated Islam is a closer religion to Judaism than Christianity.

It's a very understandable answer, since Islam doesn't regard Jesus as the Messiah, much less the son of God. Muslims and Jews also have some practices in common, such dietary rules (no pork or shellfish, ritual slaughter of animals), circumcision, burial within 24 hours, etc.

6 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

It's a very understandable answer, since Islam doesn't regard Jesus as the Messiah, much less the son of God. Muslims and Jews also have some practices in common, such dietary rules (no pork or shellfish, ritual slaughter of animals), circumcision, burial within 24 hours, etc.

Yes. I just never thought about it that way because they've been killing each other for years, so I gathered the two religions were very opposed to each other. 🙂

19 hours ago, GoodieAfterDark said:

Well, there is a specific group of Jews, the Messianic racist lunatics that want to cleanse the Earth. As I mentioned before 2/3 of the Jews will be killed accordingly with their sacred books. Look up Rebbe, the spirit guide of Donald Trump. Trump, Putin, Milei, and many others belong to this movement. Some of this is being done as an act of revenge against the Romans for the destruction of temple. That is why Europe is being destroyed. First, they are exterminating the Amalek. And then they will turn against the goyim like they are creating wars where the Europeans are killing off each other like in Ukraine. I can not say much here because I will be censured.

This post is total nonsense. There is no group of Jews which wants to exterminate non-Jews. That is just a figment of someone's very antisemitic imagination that goes way beyond the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion

It would be interesting if @GoodieAfterDark could name the Jewish group and its rabbi and even more interesting to see from which Web site he got his "information." He must creep around some very dark corners of the Internet.

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24 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

It's a very understandable answer, since Islam doesn't regard Jesus as the Messiah, much less the son of God. Muslims and Jews also have some practices in common, such dietary rules (no pork or shellfish, ritual slaughter of animals), circumcision, burial within 24 hours, etc.

And your women have to be hidden.

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1 hour ago, KhunHeineken said:

This was your reply.

"The IDF take Muslim Imams with them , so they can bless and say goodbye to the Muslim enemies perishing on the ground , as Israelis march on trampling over them"

Clearly, you were ridiculing my question. Fine. Maybe I got you on a bad posting day.

I got an informative answer from EP.

All good.

So, here's another question you can ridicule, if you like.

Can you briefly explain to me the meaning of the candlestick thing in Judasim? Yes, I can Google it, but in layman's terms would be better.

Yes, I think its better that those with more knowledge than myself answer .

Lighting candles is spreading light to the world

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4 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Can you briefly explain to me the meaning of the candlestick thing in Judasim? Yes, I can Google it, but in layman's terms would be better.

The seven-flame candelabrum, called a menorah, has been a central symbol of Judaism for well over 2,000 years. It is also the official symbol and emblem of the state of Israel:

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The Torah says God himself dictated the design of the Temple Menorah to Moses on Mt. Sinai. It was then fashioned from pure gold according to God's specifications and placed in Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem.

The Temple Menorah as a whole symbolizes divine presence and enlightenment, with the seven flames representing the days of creation as well as completion and perfection. The center branch represents the Sabbath. The seven branches are also associated with the seven areas of traditional Jewish wisdom.

The Temple Menorah was carried off to Rome after Roman legions sacked the Second Temple in 70 CE. It remained on display in Rome until the city was sacked by the Vandal in 455 CE, after which it disappears from history. No one knows if it was destroyed or still exists, hidden somewhere.

There is also a nine-flame menorah used during the eight-day Hannukah celebration.

11 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

It is also the official symbol and emblem of the state of Israel:

That's interesting.

I thought the Star of David (as shown in your avatar) what the official symbol of Israel, and the Menorah was the official symbol of Judaism, as in, the religion. A little like the cross, or crucifix for Christianity.

11 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

The Temple Menorah as a whole symbolizes divine presence and enlightenment, with the seven flames representing the days of creation as well as completion and perfection. The center branch represents the Sabbath. The seven branches are also associated with the seven areas of traditional Jewish wisdom.

Interesting. I had no idea.

11 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

The Temple Menorah was carried off to Rome after Roman legions sacked the Second Temple in 70 CE. It remained on display in Rome until the city was sacked by the Vandal in 455 CE, after which it disappears from history. No one knows if it was destroyed or still exists, hidden somewhere.

Sounds similar to The Holy Grail for Christians. 🙂

Do practicing Jewish people have a Menorah in their home and light a candle on the appropriate day in the order of the Menorah? Or is this only in a Synagogue?

Also, you mentioned the original was made of gold, but in documentaries and movies etc, I've only ever seen them in silver.

Thanks for your post.

On 1/23/2026 at 12:59 PM, JimCM said:

Interesting stuff, shame you can't say more....

Of course he cannot say anymore , he cannot even name the group or its leader . Its non existent imaginary group .

You would have to be naive , gullible and rather foolish if you believed the group existed

9 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

I thought the Star of David (as shown in your avatar) what the official symbol of Israel, and the Menorah was the official symbol of Judaism, as in, the religion. A little like the cross, or crucifix for Christianity.

The Star of David (Magen David) became associated with Judaism at a much later date than the Temple Menorah. Its use dates from the late Middle Ages (around 1350 CE) and ironically, may have originally been an Islamic symbol. While the Star of David is now widely accepted and recognized as a symbol of Judaism, it hasn't always been a happy association.

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Jews line up for selection at the Auschwitz extermination camp.

Despite however much Hamas and its supporters may want it, Jews will never again line up for extermination. The Star of David has become a proud symbol of strength and defiance, and the survival of the Jewish people not victimhood.

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10 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Do practicing Jewish people have a Menorah in their home and light a candle on the appropriate day in the order of the Menorah? Or is this only in a Synagogue?

Also, you mentioned the original was made of gold, but in documentaries and movies etc, I've only ever seen them in silver.

The seven-branch Temple Menorah is reserved for synagogues, but the nine-branch Hannukah menorah is used at home during Hannukah. Candle-lighting is also an important part of observing Shabbat (the Sabbath). It's complicated and you can read about it here: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/323422/jewish/Shabbat-Candles.htm

The first Temple Menorah designed by God as revealed to Moses was made of pure gold, but others were made of whatever the local congregation could afford, ranging from wood on upward.

16 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

The Star of David (Magen David) became associated with Judaism at a much later date than the Temple Menorah. Its use dates from the late Middle Ages (around 1350 CE) and ironically, may have originally been an Islamic symbol. While the Star of David is now widely accepted and recognized as a symbol of Judaism, it hasn't always been a happy association.

Screenshot 2026-01-24 103433.png

Screenshot 2026-01-24 135337.png

Jews line up for selection at the Auschwitz extermination camp.

Despite however much Hamas and its supporters may want it, Jews will never again line up for extermination. The Star of David has become a proud symbol of strength and defiance, and the survival of the Jewish people not victimhood.

Screenshot www.png

The seven-branch Temple Menorah is reserved for synagogues, but the nine-branch Hannukah menorah is used at home during Hannukah. Candle-lighting is also an important part of observing Shabbat (the Sabbath). It's complicated and you can read about it here: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/323422/jewish/Shabbat-Candles.htm

The first Temple Menorah designed by God as revealed to Moses was made of pure gold, but others were made of whatever the local congregation could afford, ranging from wood on upward.

Thanks for the informative post.

Do the Jewish people revere King David in the same way as Christians do Jesus? Was David just leader, or a religious figure also?

You have explained that the Jewish do not believe Jesus to be the Messiah, but to Christians, he was somewhat of a leader.

Was David looked upon as a messenger of God back in the day?

11 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Do the Jewish people revere King David in the same way as Christians do Jesus? Was David just leader, or a religious figure also?

Jews do NOT revere David in the same ways Christians do Jesus. Christians regard Jesus as divine, the Second Person in the Trinity (God the Son) and the Messiah (Christ) of Old Testament prophecy. Jews hold David as a central figure in Judaism, but NOT as divine or the Messiah. He is honored by Jews as a king, warrior, poet and musician, but not as a religious leader because he was morally flawed.

11 minutes ago, KhunHeineken said:

Was David looked upon as a messenger of God back in the day?

David is seen as a prophet by Christians, Muslims and Jews. In the Jewish tradition, he is considered a lesser prophet than Isaiah or Jeremiah, but the psalms he wrote are regarded as divinely inspired.

You can read more about David here: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/biographies-wing/all-biographies-by-last-name/d/king-david

46 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

Jews do NOT revere David in the same ways Christians do Jesus. Christians regard Jesus as divine, the Second Person in the Trinity (God the Son) and the Messiah (Christ) of Old Testament prophecy. Jews hold David as a central figure in Judaism, but NOT as divine or the Messiah. He is honored by Jews as a king, warrior, poet and musician, but not as a religious leader because he was morally flawed.

David is seen as a prophet by Christians, Muslims and Jews. In the Jewish tradition, he is considered a lesser prophet than Isaiah or Jeremiah, but the psalms he wrote are regarded as divinely inspired.

You can read more about David here: https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/biographies-wing/all-biographies-by-last-name/d/king-david

All these biblical characters for thousands of years ago must have been like the social media influencers of today. 🙂

On 1/23/2026 at 7:51 AM, Evil Penevil said:

This post is total nonsense. There is no group of Jews which wants to exterminate non-Jews. That is just a figment of someone's very antisemitic imagination that goes way beyond the Protocols of the Elders of Zion.

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion

It would be interesting if @GoodieAfterDark could name the Jewish group and its rabbi and even more interesting to see from which Web site he got his "information." He must creep around some very dark corners of the Internet.

OK. Yeah, here we go again...I can give you a very recent event that might give some indications about what I am talking about. When the terrible "Lamas" attacked Israel with their supersonic parachutes and flying cars, Israel used their artillery to shoot at the terrible "Lamas" and anyone else including Jews. Pause. Do you really think that Bibi is concerned about a bunch of hippies homosexuals high on acid having orgies in the desert?

On 1/23/2026 at 11:00 AM, JimCM said:

And your women have to be hidden.

Like this?

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1 hour ago, TedG said:

Like this?

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There are some hookers hanging out on soi 4 dressed just like that.

About 13 million plus Americans would be considered Jewish under Israeli law, some surveys would say over half are secular or do not practice.

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On 1/25/2026 at 2:32 AM, Evil Penevil said:

The Star of David (Magen David) became associated with Judaism at a much later date than the Temple Menorah. Its use dates from the late Middle Ages (around 1350 CE) and ironically, may have originally been an Islamic symbol. While the Star of David is now widely accepted and recognized as a symbol of Judaism, it hasn't always been a happy association.

Screenshot 2026-01-24 103433.png

Screenshot 2026-01-24 135337.png

Jews line up for selection at the Auschwitz extermination camp.

Despite however much Hamas and its supporters may want it, Jews will never again line up for extermination. The Star of David has become a proud symbol of strength and defiance, and the survival of the Jewish people not victimhood.

Screenshot www.png

The seven-branch Temple Menorah is reserved for synagogues, but the nine-branch Hannukah menorah is used at home during Hannukah. Candle-lighting is also an important part of observing Shabbat (the Sabbath). It's complicated and you can read about it here: https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/323422/jewish/Shabbat-Candles.htm

The first Temple Menorah designed by God as revealed to Moses was made of pure gold, but others were made of whatever the local congregation could afford, ranging from wood on upward.

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I kicks the flavor, like Stephen King writes horror

If I was a Jew then I'd light a Menorah

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1 hour ago, TedG said:

Like this?

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No they are all behind a curtain while the men balance Pepsi bottles on their heads.

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1 hour ago, GoodieAfterDark said:

OK. Yeah, here we go again...I can give you a very recent event that might give some indications about what I am talking about. When the terrible "Lamas" attacked Israel with their supersonic parachutes and flying cars, Israel used their artillery to shoot at the terrible "Lamas" and anyone else including Jews. Pause. Do you really think that Bibi is concerned about a bunch of hippies homosexuals high on acid having orgies in the desert?

Stranger how Israel has the best defence in the world, keeping out hundreds of cruise missiles and drones from Iran, yet can't keep out a few paragliders.

Netanyahu is a wanted war criminal, I wouldn't put it past him to sacrifice those hippies, just to justify the destruction of Gaza, something he's wanted for over 30 years.

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On 1/25/2026 at 7:28 PM, KhunHeineken said:

Do the Jewish people revere King David in the same way as Christians do Jesus? Was David just leader, or a religious figure also?

They certainly didn't revere the King David hotel!

The Irgun was widely regarded by the British authorities and much of the international community at the time as a terrorist organisation, responsible for bombings, assassinations, and attacks that deliberately used violence against civilian and government targets to force political change, most notoriously the 1946 bombing of the King David Hotel, which killed 91 people. Despite this record, the Irgun’s leader Menachem Begin later entered mainstream Israeli politics, founded the Likud party, and ultimately became Prime Minister of Israel in 1977, a trajectory that remains controversial and is often cited as an example of how figures involved in militant or terrorist movements can later gain political legitimacy once statehood is achieved.

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