8 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Okay, Patong, I see where you're going with this, and you're not wrong. But we all tend to support people like ourselves. Like it or not, for us white, American, brought up Protestants, that's the Jews. Growing up in New York, I have always identified Jews are compassionate and generous people. In my experience, they have also been left-wing activists for social causes.

If anything, I support Palestinians because I thought better of Jews! I have never subscribed to any tropes about Jews but land seizure in the West Bank speaks for itself. And isn't being an anti-Muslim racist the same as being an antisemite.

The state of Israel has always been about knee-jerk military action, not to solve any situation but for vengeance or as if they had something to prove. To create a peaceful world, we need to rein in all military states.

More people have died in the past week in Sudan, than have died in the Gaza conflict. Yet, not a word from you, no lectures, nothing. I could care less about your insincere justification for being obsessed with blaming Israel and jews. Go deal with your own country. There is ongoing injustice and discrimination and you chose to run away to Thailand and obsess over Israel. I really don't care what Israel does at this point. My experience with the French Arab gangs in Phuket and elsewhere impressed upon me that people like you enable their North African thugs' anti social behavior.

On 1/19/2026 at 3:36 PM, Evil Penevil said:

Yes, it is a major national disgrace the U.S. Department of State was a bastion of old-fashioned antisemitism in the 1930s and 1940s. The U.S. was and is a huge country with plenty of space and an economy big enough to absorb large numbers of refugees.

The U.S. could have saved tens of thousands of Jewish lives preceding and during WWII, but the State Dept. refused to issue them visas for no better reason than classic antisemitism. Many other countries felt that way as well and the result was six million dead Jews.

How many thousands of lives would have been saved if the U.K. had opened Palestine to Jews fleeing Nazi persecution? A conservative estimate would be about 500,000.

What responsibility do the Jews of the U.K. have for the policies and actions of the government of Israel? Do Buddhists in the U.K. bear responsibility for the actions of the Thai government? Are harassment and attacks on British Muslims justified by dislike of the governments of Iran and Yemen?

Jews are unsafe because of the millions of people driven by antisemitism. The attacks on Jews don't come from random crazies, but from individuals whose minds have been warped by the hatred of Jews. Articles of clothing such as kippahs (skullcaps) or jewelry in the form of a Star of David can identify the wearer as Jewish.

Mostly a load of rubbish - apart from the fact that many Jews have default paranoia now and see Nazis everywhere understandable but since the state of Israel was founded it has been national policy to promote the message that anti-semitism is always on the rise and you're not safe in Europe come back to your chosen country and do aliyah. Also it's woke snowflake Jewishness if they think there is any similarity between European 19th and 20th century pogroms and a bit of edginess on the streets when a pro-Palestine demo takes place then they need to grow a pair

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

My experience with the French Arab gangs in Phuket and elsewhere impressed upon me that people like you enable their North African thugs' anti social behavior.

But Jews in the UK are not responsible for Israeli actions.

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Mostly a load of rubbish - apart from the fact that many Jews have default paranoia now and see Nazis everywhere understandable but since the state of Israel was founded it has been national policy to promote the message that anti-semitism is always on the rise and you're not safe in Europe come back to your chosen country and do aliyah. Also it's woke snowflake Jewishness if they think there is any similarity between European 19th and 20th century pogroms and a bit of edginess on the streets when a pro-Palestine demo takes place then they need to grow a pair

9 minutes ago, stevenl said:

But Jews in the UK are not responsible for Israeli actions.

You got that right!

39 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

You got that right!

Of course. A pity you don't see the hypocrisy in the post i replied to.

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Mostly a load of rubbish - apart from the fact that many Jews have default paranoia now and see Nazis everywhere understandable but since the state of Israel was founded it has been national policy to promote the message that anti-semitism is always on the rise and you're not safe in Europe come back to your chosen country and do aliyah.

Maybe you can indicate what I wrote that is rubbish. Do you dispute the many reports from the U.S., U.K.. Australia and other countries about the rise in antisemitic incidents, including some with deadly outcomes?

From the U.S. Anti-Defamation League:

• In 2024, ADL tabulated 9,354 antisemitic incidents across the United States. This represents a 5% increase from the 8,873 incidents recorded in 2023, a 344% increase over the past five years and a 893% increase over the past 10 years. It is the highest number on record since ADL began tracking antisemitic incidents 46 years ago. https://www.adl.org/resources/report/audit-antisemitic-incidents-2024

From the U.K. Community Service Trust's Antisemitic Incidents Report January-June 2025:

https://cst.org.uk/research/cst-publications/antisemitic-incidents-report-january-june-2025

From the Executive Council of Australian Jewry (ECAJ):

New figures from ECAJ show that antisemitic incidents in Australia remain at historically high levels, at almost five times the average annual number before October 7, 2023, the largest spike of any J7 country between 2021 and 2024. While there has been a marginal reduction from last year’s all-time high, the most serious categories of incidents, including arson attacks against synagogues, pre‑schools and other Jewish institutions, are higher than in any previous year on record.

https://www.ecaj.org.au/global-jewish-leaders-australias-antisemitism-spike-is-a-warning-for-democracies-worldwide/

Do you dispute that antisemitic incidents are at or near historical highs in countries with relatively large Jewish populations? What evidence do you have to back this belief?

2 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Also it's woke snowflake Jewishness if they think there is any similarity between European 19th and 20th century pogroms and a bit of edginess on the streets when a pro-Palestine demo takes place then they need to grow a pair

Terrorist attacks like the one on the Manchester synagogue or the Bondi Beach shooting go way beyond the snowflake level. You can't be much more threatened IRL than to be the target of deadly attacks.

But I agree Jews should stand up more to pro-Palestinian harassment. After all, Jews do indeed have some great role models in that category.

I haven't read of Jews being shot in Britain yet, but I have read of them being shot in the USA and Israel. Not a serious argument by CBS, just stirring up the pot.

2 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

But I agree Jews should indeed stand up more to pro-Palestinian harassment. After all, Jews do indeed have some great role models in that category.

I don't think the IDF is a role model for anything other than how to commit war crimes and make the rest of the world despise you.

18 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Of course. A pity you don't see the hypocrisy in the post i replied to.

No, it's a good thing not to see things that aren't there.

I am reminded of the poem Antigonish by American poet William Hughes Mearns, written in 1899.

Yesterday, upon the stair,

I met a man who wasn’t there!

He wasn’t there again today,

I wish, I wish he’d go away!

6 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I don't think the IDF is a role model for anything other than how to commit war crimes and make the rest of the world despise you.

I disagree with you strongly.

2 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

I disagree with you strongly.

As is your right.

9 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I don't think the IDF is a role model for anything other than how to commit war crimes and make the rest of the world despise you.

The animosity towards Jews has always been there , the Gaza war has just given Jew haters an excuse to shout their opinions and display their hatred .

The Gaza war is their excuse and given them an opportunity

3 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Mostly a load of rubbish - apart from the fact that many Jews have default paranoia now and see Nazis everywhere understandable but since the state of Israel was founded it has been national policy to promote the message that anti-semitism is always on the rise and you're not safe in Europe come back to your chosen country and do aliyah. Also it's woke snowflake Jewishness if they think there is any similarity between European 19th and 20th century pogroms and a bit of edginess on the streets when a pro-Palestine demo takes place then they need to grow a pair

Well said that man.

20 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The animosity towards Jews has always been there , the Gaza war has just given Jew haters an excuse to shout their opinions and display their hatred .

The Gaza war is their excuse and given them an opportunity

I think you are confusing antisemitism with moral conscience.

There will always be antisemitism, but this is a new phenomena we are seeing humanity being morally outraged with the targeting of children, destruction of habitation, destruction of hospitals.

We are seeing pure hate from Israel's ministers, citizens and IDF against an entire peoples and good people are telling you how they feel about it.

It could be that people expected Israel to be better than Hamas when in fact there is little difference. However, I doubt Jews would choose the land of the gun as a safe haven.

2 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

I think you are confusing antisemitism with moral conscience.

There will always be antisemitism, but this is a new phenomena we are seeing humanity being morally outraged with the targeting of children, destruction of habitation, destruction of hospitals.

We are seeing pure hate from Israel's ministers, citizens and IDF against an entire peoples and good people are telling you how they feel about it.

What does that have to do with British Jews being attacked ?

British Jews being attacked and the Gaza war are two different issues and topics .

(BTW , what happened to your moral conscience during the genocides in Rwanda , Myanmar and Darfur and Sudan ?)

6 minutes ago, Purdey said:

It could be that people expected Israel to be better than Hamas when in fact there is little difference. However, I doubt Jews would choose the land of the gun as a safe haven.

If, IF Israel behaved like Hamas , there would be no Palestinians left in Gaza at all .

There would be 2 million dead Palestinians in Gaza if Israel acted like Hamas

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What does that have to do with British Jews being attacked ?

British Jews being attacked and the Gaza war are two different issues and topics .

(BTW , what happened to your moral conscience during the genocides in Rwanda , Myanmar and Darfur and Sudan ?)

Ah, the whataboutism

When reason runs thin and logic won’t fit,

He reaches for whataboutism, a rhetorical skit.

Deflection replaces the facts he can’t face,

Dodging the argument with a sidestep in place.

When reason runs dry and the facts won’t align, He pivots, deflect, and pretend it’s all fine.

No logic, no evidence, no truth to impart, Just “what about them?” is his well‑worn retort.

A question is asked, but the answer’s denied, He points to another, a trick to misguide.

The spotlight is shifted, the issue ignored, A hollow distraction, debate’s cheap reward.

It’s the dance of evasion, the spin of the sly, A chorus of “what about?” echoing by. When substance is absent, and reason is thin, Whataboutism steps in with a grin.

But beneath all the noise, the tactic is clear: It’s fear of the truth, and the facts he won’t hear. For when no real argument stands to be found, Deflection’s the weapon that spins him around.

JBChiangRai 2026

4 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Ah, the whataboutism

When reason runs thin and logic won’t fit,

He reaches for whataboutism, a rhetorical skit.

Deflection replaces the facts he can’t face,

Dodging the argument with a sidestep in place.

When reason runs dry and the facts won’t align, He pivots, deflect, and pretend it’s all fine.

No logic, no evidence, no truth to impart, Just “what about them?” is his well‑worn retort.

A question is asked, but the answer’s denied, He points to another, a trick to misguide.

The spotlight is shifted, the issue ignored, A hollow distraction, debate’s cheap reward.

It’s the dance of evasion, the spin of the sly, A chorus of “what about?” echoing by. When substance is absent, and reason is thin, Whataboutism steps in with a grin.

But beneath all the noise, the tactic is clear: It’s fear of the truth, and the facts he won’t hear. For when no real argument stands to be found, Deflection’s the weapon that spins him around.

JBChiangRai 2026

You claim to have a moral conscience , I just wondered where that moral conscience has been hiding at other times .

You do not actually have a moral conscience or does your moral conscience only wake up when Israel are involved ?

"What does that have to do with British Jews being attacked ?

British Jews being attacked and the Gaza war are two different issues and topics"

14 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Ah, the whataboutism

NOT whataboutism at all .

That was completely on topic and about the thread subject .

4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You claim to have a moral conscience , I just wondered where that moral conscience has been hiding at other times .

You do not actually have a moral conscience or does your moral conscience only wake up when Israel are involved ?

To be fair, this is about British Jews, nothing about Israeli terrorism, or the genocides in Rwanda , Myanmar and Darfur and Sudan.

As stated by JB, more whataboutism, from you, deflecting as usual.

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

To be fair, this is about British Jews, nothing about Israeli terrorism, or the genocides in Rwanda , Myanmar and Darfur and Sudan.

As stated by JB, more whataboutism, from you, deflecting as usual.

just pointing out that he doesn't actually have a moral conscience , I was replying to his false claim .

Rather than accepting your hypocrisy , you just reply with the usual "whataboutism" "Deflecting" to avoid the issue

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

just pointing out that he doesn't actually have a moral conscience , I was replying to his false claim .

Rather than accepting your hypocrisy , you just reply with the usual "whataboutism" "Deflecting" to void the issue

What "issue", the topic is weather the US offers asylum to British Jews, nothing more.

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

What "issue", the topic is weather the US offers asylum to British Jews, nothing more.

Yes, I stated exactly the same above .

What does this thread have to do with the Gaza war , is the question I posed above a mere 43 minutes ago

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The animosity towards Jews has always been there , the Gaza war has just given Jew haters an excuse to shout their opinions and display their hatred .

The Gaza war is their excuse and given them an opportunity

You cry that this post is about British Jews and yet you talk about the Gaza genocide.

How many faces do you have exactly? Is it just the two or are there more?

Have you considered for a moment, that maybe, just maybe, the problems a very few British Jews are facing, might have something to do with Israel’s treatment of the human beings in Gaza?

And reports of British Jews sending money to support Israel probably isn’t helping.

1 hour ago, JBChiangRai said:

I don't think the IDF is a role model for anything other than how to commit war crimes and make the rest of the world despise you.

8 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

You cry that this post is about British Jews and yet you talk about the Gaza genocide.

I mentioned the Gaza war in reply to YOUR post about it .

Its was YOU who mentioned the Gaza war and I replied to that

Let's not forget all the British Jews protesting Israel during the London protests:

14 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Have you considered for a moment, that maybe, just maybe, the problems a very few British Jews are facing, might have something to do with Israel’s treatment of the human beings in Gaza?

They are British people though they aren't Israelis .

Would the same people go and attack some Buddhists because the way the Myanmar Government behaves ?

No, they wouldn't

52 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You claim to have a moral conscience , I just wondered where that moral conscience has been hiding at other times .

You do not actually have a moral conscience or does your moral conscience only wake up when Israel are involved ?

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I don't think the IDF is a role model for anything other than how to commit war crimes and make the rest of the world despise you.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The animosity towards Jews has always been there , the Gaza war has just given Jew haters an excuse to shout their opinions and display their hatred .

The Gaza war is their excuse and given them an opportunity

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I mentioned the Gaza war in reply to YOUR post about it .

Its was YOU who mentioned the Gaza war and I replied to that

You have a very short memory, evil mentioned the IDF as role models at my post were in response to that, you mentioned Gaza.

You mentioned my moral conscience.My moral conscience is often pricked.

When Putin invaded Ukraine, I ordered a few T-shirts with messages like Puck Futin and wore that one in a restaurant in Phuket full of Russians.

I gave something back by volunteering one day a week as a magistrate in the UK.

As a single parent, I adopted 2 Thai orphans and brought them up as if they were my own.

Tell me about you Nick? What about your moral conscience? What have you done to give anything back, other than defend the indefensible?

12 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

More people have died in the past week in Sudan, than have died in the Gaza conflict. Yet, not a word from you, no lectures, nothing. I could care less about your insincere justification for being obsessed with blaming Israel and jews. Go deal with your own country. There is ongoing injustice and discrimination and you chose to run away to Thailand and obsess over Israel. I really don't care what Israel does at this point. My experience with the French Arab gangs in Phuket and elsewhere impressed upon me that people like you enable their North African thugs' anti social behavior.

From me?!? What do I have to do with it. You're right: I have a conscience. But others have to speak up, too. Patong, which is my own country? I was just thinking yesterday that I am a man without a country. The US was the country of my birth but forced me to exile or prison. Should I owe the US my allegiance for being born? I am a citizen of Canada and lived there for 25 years. Do I owe Canada my allegiance for, dunno, bearing children and making a living? I have been in Thailand 35 years but I will never be Thai though I have supported some Thai nationals. Do I owe Thailand my allegiance? It's backwards. Countries owe its citizens allegiance.

I'm no nationalist. I'll speak up when I see injustice. When are you writing that post about Sudan? I'd love to contribute. I'm sure there are ethnic cleansings going on in countries other than Palestine. Even a list would be useful, Patong.

Hm. I just realised this. Sudan is not as pressing to us because it has always been dictatorships and massacres. It may even be, to quote, a s*ithole country. But we do police the actions of our friends and allies. Israel casts itself as being civilised but has proved itself not.