1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

UE is trending down. Down 0.2% since November.

You can waste your life posting lame deflections, facts remain:

The job situation worsened under Trump, by all metrics:

• Job creation number

• Unemployment rate

• Native born unemployment rate

• Labor participation rate

2 minutes ago, candide said:

You can waste your life posting lame deflections, facts remain:

The job situation worsened under Trump, by all metrics:

• Job creation number

• Unemployment rate

• Native born unemployment rate

• Labor participation rate

Economists widely agree that job growth is driven by broader market forces, including consumer demand, innovation, and business investment. For example:

• Bill Clinton claimed Democratic presidents created 50 million jobs since 1989, but this reflects long-term economic trends (like the dot-com boom) rather than presidential control.

• Donald Trump and Joe Biden both claimed job creation during their terms, but data shows many gains were recovery from the pandemic recession, not new job creation.

• The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics confirms that job numbers are influenced by macroeconomic events beyond any one administration’s control

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Economists widely agree that job growth is driven by broader market forces, including consumer demand, innovation, and business investment. For example:

• Bill Clinton claimed Democratic presidents created 50 million jobs since 1989, but this reflects long-term economic trends (like the dot-com boom) rather than presidential control.

• Donald Trump and Joe Biden both claimed job creation during their terms, but data shows many gains were recovery from the pandemic recession, not new job creation.

• The U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics confirms that job numbers are influenced by macroeconomic events beyond any one administration’s control

You are really desperate!

7 minutes ago, candide said:

Do you like those, too?

Typical lefty tactic. Make it look big and scary...

Here's the real trend:

It was already trending up during the Autopen Administration, going from a low of 3.5% in Mid 2023 to 4.3% on Inauguration Day, 2025.

10 minutes ago, impulse said:

Typical lefty tactic. Make it look big and scary...

Here's the real trend:

It was already trending up during the Autopen Administration, going from a low of 3.5% in Mid 2023 to 4.3% on Inauguration Day, 2025.

I see you got the same instructions as Yagoda!

Trending from 6.1% on Inauguration day, 2021!

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15 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Yes you are. Can't believe how ignorant you are. You would fail year 10 economics.

As usual, when you have nothing, you resort to personal insults

4 minutes ago, impulse said:

Typical lefty tactic. Make it look big and scary...

Here's the real trend:

It was already trending up during the Autopen Administration, going from a low of 3.5% in Mid 2023 to 4.3% on Inauguration Day, 2025.

11 minutes ago, candide said:

As usual, when you have nothing, you resort to personal insults

I have a degree in economics. You keep posting nonsense. Most changes are due to macro and micro developments and have nothing to do with the leader.

14 minutes ago, candide said:

I see you got the same instructions as Yagoda!

Trending from 6.1% on Inauguration day, 2021!

Due to covid. It was 3.5% in 2019. Time to grow up.

50 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

20,000 posts about Trump. That is not a life.

Says a guy spending his time posting multiple desperate deflections to the fact that the job situation worsened under Trump.....

8 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Due to covid. It was 3.5% in 2019. Time to grow up.

Biden started with 6.1%, not 3.5%. Time to stop cherry picking dates! 🤣

Just now, candide said:

Biden started with 6.1%, not 3.5%. Time to stop cherry picking dates! 🤣

Yes due to Covid. It then fell due to the recovery. Time to grow up. Stop acting 5yo.

10 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

I have a degree in economics. You keep posting nonsense. Most changes are due to macro and micro developments and have nothing to do with the leader.

Lol! No decent economist would make your ridiculous out of context comparisons.

2 minutes ago, candide said:

Says a guy spending his time posting multiple desperate deflections to the fact that the job situation worsened under Trump.....

The job situation has very little to do with the leader. Every economist will tell you that.

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

Yes due to Covid. It then fell due to the recovery. Time to grow up. Stop acting 5yo.

That's what Biden started with, not 3.5%.

Just now, candide said:

Lol! No decent economist would make your ridiculous out of context comparisons.

Economists view 4 to 5% as normal level. 4.3% is low.

All your posts are very childish.

1 minute ago, Harrisfan said:

The job situation has very little to do with the leader. Every economist will tell you that.

And that's why you make ridiculous comparisons with Obama! 🤣

Just now, candide said:

That's what Biden started with, not 3.5%.

When are you going to act like an adult?

• Nearly 72 percent of all job gains since 2021 were simply jobs that were being recovered from the pandemic, not new job creation. In fact, when looking at today’s economy compared to pre-pandemic levels, employment is up only by 3.7 million.

  • On the other hand, prior to the pandemic, job creation under President Trump was 6.7 million—3 million more jobs than the current President.

Just now, Harrisfan said:

Economists view 4 to 5% as normal level. 4.3% is low.

All your posts are very childish.

Broken record deflections. Why are you so upset that the job situation worsened under Trump, by all metrics!

1 minute ago, candide said:

Broken record deflections. Why are you so upset that the job situation worsened under Trump, by all metrics!

The president has limited direct control over the economy, despite often being credited or blamed for its performance. Key reasons include:

• Fiscal policy is controlled by Congress, not the president, meaning the president cannot unilaterally set tax or spending levels.

• Monetary policy is managed by the independent Federal Reserve, though the president nominates the Fed Chair and board members, who may share the president’s economic ideology.

• The federal government’s spending (about 20% of GDP) is modest in scale compared to the overall economy, and most of it is on entitlements like Social Security and Medicare, which are largely on autopilot and difficult to change without congressional action.

• Economic outcomes are heavily influenced by external forces such as global oil prices, international supply chains, pandemics, wars, and the natural business cycle—factors beyond presidential control.

• Policy effects take time to materialize; economic indicators today may reflect decisions made by previous administrations.

While the president cannot directly control inflation, growth, or unemployment, they do have indirect influence through:

• Appointments to the Federal Reserve.

• Using the "bully pulpit" to rally public and congressional support for economic policies.

• Shaping fiscal policy proposals and advocating for legislation, especially when their party controls Congress.

4 minutes ago, candide said:

And that's why you make ridiculous comparisons with Obama! 🤣

Just pointing out your hypocrisy. How sad for a 70yo man to be so biased and out of touch with reality. The current economy is good by all measures.

The U.S. economy grew at an annualized rate of 4.4% in the third quarter of 2025, according to the final estimate from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA), marking the strongest growth pace in two years. This upward revision from the initial 4.3% estimate reflects stronger-than-expected consumer spending (3.5%), a rebound in exports (9.6%), and increased government outlays (2.2%), while the drag from private inventories significantly eased.

15 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

When are you going to act like an adult?

• Nearly 72 percent of all job gains since 2021 were simply jobs that were being recovered from the pandemic, not new job creation. In fact, when looking at today’s economy compared to pre-pandemic levels, employment is up only by 3.7 million.

  • On the other hand, prior to the pandemic, job creation under President Trump was 6.7 million—3 million more jobs than the current President.

You desperately cherry pick dates!

Just now, candide said:

You desperately cherry pick dates!

Biden started in 2021 lol

Your posts are really getting rather sad

10 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

The U.S. economy grew at an annualized rate of 4.4% in the third quarter of 2025, according to the final estimate from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA), marking the strongest growth pace in two years. This upward revision from the initial 4.3% estimate reflects stronger-than-expected consumer spending (3.5%), a rebound in exports (9.6%), and increased government outlays (2.2%), while the drag from private inventories significantly eased.

I see you still don't understand what is annualized GDP growth. It's based on one quarter only and is therefore meaningless.

On top of posting another lame deflection to the tread topic. Are you that desperate?

1 minute ago, candide said:

I see you still don't understand what is annualized GDP growth. It's based on one quarter only and is therefore meaningless.

On top of posting another lame deflection to the tread topic. Are you that desperate?

Trump figures are all good. No doubt it makes you angry as you have no hobbies apart from Trump hate. Unemployment is low. Inflation is low. GDP is strong.

Good GDP growth levels are generally considered to be between 2% and 3% annually for developed economies. This range is often referred to as the "Goldilocks zone" — a healthy balance where the economy expands steadily without overheating.

• Growth within 2%–3% indicates sustainable economic expansion, balanced inflation, stable employment, and manageable debt levels.

46 minutes ago, Harrisfan said:

Trump figures are all good. No doubt it makes you angry as you have no hobbies apart from Trump hate. Unemployment is low. Inflation is low. GDP is strong.

Why do you feel a moral obligation to make a barrage of deflection post when a thread is about Trump's failures? 😄

1 minute ago, candide said:

Why do you feel a moral obligation to make a barrage of deflection post when a thread is about Trump's failures? 😄

All the economic data is good. This is why you are so frustrated lol

The U.S. economy grew at an annualized rate of 4.4% in the third quarter of 2025, according to the final estimate from the U.S. Bureau of Economic Analysis (BEA), marking the strongest growth pace in two years.

USA going great!