Last year, Chinese exports of electric vehicles hit a record $70 billion, and China’s carmakers saw sales in more than 150 countries and territories. And in the first half of 2025, Chinese exports of solar cells jumped sharply, even as exports of finished panels stagnated because of oversupply.

“We’re shifting away from an oil-powered world to a much less expensive solar-powered world,” Bradsher said. “And every other country is buying more and more of their electricity in effect from China, because China has a near-monopoly on solar panels. And that’s all that anybody wants to buy now in much of the developing world, because it’s a cheaper way to get your electricity than anything else.”

https://archive.ph/qMCHO

And the Trump administration is helping them along in so many ways. Like subsidizing coal even though it's more expense and extremely polluting. And cutting back on scientific research even as China continues to expand its research.

27 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And cutting back on scientific research

The United States is becoming ever more anti-science, the US used to lead the world in innovation, China has surpassed the US in recent years. If you take the number of patents registered as a measure you can see how the US has fallen behind.

Just now, Stocky said:

The United States is becoming ever more anti-science, the US used to lead the world in innovation, China has surpassed the US in recent years. If you take the number of patents registered as a measure you can see how the US has become stagnated.

While China's technological catch-up has been quite impressive, one must be honest about those numbers. The main reason for this surge in patents is that the government asked companies and research centers to file patents, so they have filed whatever they could. There are actually relatively few essential patents among them.

Having said that, it's likely only a question of time before China extensively leads on technological innovation.

9 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

Last year, Chinese exports of electric vehicles hit a record $70 billion, and China’s carmakers saw sales in more than 150 countries and territories

Is it possible that the Chinese are engaged on dumping or other predatory practices?

9 hours ago, Alan Zweibel said:

And the Trump administration is helping them along in so many ways. Like subsidizing coal even though it's more expense and extremely polluting.

How many coal plants has China opened over the past few years vs the USA?

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Is it possible that the Chinese are engaged on dumping or other predatory practices?

How many coal plants has China opened over the past few years vs the USA?

What has dumping got to do with China's technological surge? But if you want to raise irrelevant issues, remember how a year ago right wingers were predicting that China would have to bow down to American demands. That the manufacturing sector would suffer greatly?

As for the surge in coal plants. In 2022 there was a severe drought that crippled hydroelectric production. So China decided to build more coal plants. to compensate. These plants have now been completed. Of course, as the price of solar and wind continues to decline, this makes less and less sense. But now China is saddled with them. In 2025 coal powered electricity production actually declined.

17 minutes ago, Alan Zweibel said:

What has dumping got to do with China's technological surge? But if you want to raise irrelevant issues, remember how a year ago right wingers were predicting that China would have to bow down to American demands. That the manufacturing sector would suffer greatly?

As for the surge in coal plants. In 2022 there was a severe drought that crippled hydroelectric production. So China decided to build more coal plants. to compensate. These plants have now been completed. Of course, as the price of solar and wind continues to decline, this makes less and less sense. But now China is saddled with them. In 2025 coal powered electricity production actually declined.

Got it. So China builds more coal plants than the entire world, but Trump is wrong to subsidize coal in the USA, right?

As to dumping, the very first sentence of your polemic refers to Chinese electric car production, yet the question of dumping or predatory practices is irrelevant? Got it.

What right wingers were predicting China would have to bow down to American demands? What time period was mentioned? How reliable are Chinese economic statistics? What structural inequalities exist in the Chinese economy that are being exacerbated by the Trump economic plans?

Surely you have answers to all of the foregoing and more since you are contending that China is "winning". Assuming you are correct, is Trump the only cause?

11 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Got it. So China builds more coal plants than the entire world, but Trump is wrong to subsidize coal in the USA, right?

As to dumping, the very first sentence of your polemic refers to Chinese electric car production, yet the question of dumping or predatory practices is irrelevant? Got it.

What right wingers were predicting China would have to bow down to American demands? What time period was mentioned? How reliable are Chinese economic statistics? What structural inequalities exist in the Chinese economy that are being exacerbated by the Trump economic plans?

Surely you have answers to all of the foregoing and more since you are contending that China is "winning". Assuming you are correct, is Trump the only cause?

What you are missing is that China has the world's largest installation of wind turbines (Trump lied and said they don't have them). China has the world's largest installation of solar power too.

China has almost half the world's total of renewable power.

12 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

What you are missing is that China has the world's largest installation of wind turbines (Trump lied and said they don't have them). China has the world's largest installation of solar power too.

China has almost half the world's total of renewable power.

So you agree there to China has built more coal plants than the entire world combined.

What percentage of Chinese electric power is generated by renewable?

42 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So you agree there to China has built more coal plants than the entire world combined.

What percentage of Chinese electric power is generated by renewable?

China generates about double the amount of power from coal per citizen compared to America.

China & America are broadly similar in the amount of power produced per capita from renewables.

In China, renewables count for 90% of new power investment whereas this is only 24% in America.

China’s growth is unmatched globally: Its renewable additions in a single year (2024) exceeded the entire installed capacity of many countries. Solar is the main driver, with wind also expanding steadily.

12 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

In China, renewables count for 90% of new power investment whereas this is only 24% in America.

You mean utilizing their own Solar manufacturing capacity.

Where do you get your statistics from? The Chinese government.

BTW, Whats the purpose of renewable power if it is more expensive and less efficient? How are the elctric bills in Green states in the USA? Does china subsidize electric for its users?

My statistics come from the internet, a little research is all it takes.

I'm sure they manufacture their own solar panels and wind turbines; they are the manufacturing powerhouse of the world after all.

Renewable power is often more expensive, that is not the purpose, the purpose is to let this world survive its imminent catastrophe.

There's no doubt about that, and Trump has China and Xi a huge gift by destroying alliances and sabotaging globalization.

So many nations are moving back towards China as they consider the US to be very unreliable, and not trustworthy.

All you have to do is a search on YouTube comparing US airports train stations, and trains to China, it's a rather shocking revelation and it really throws into clear light just how dilapidated and run down America is in 2026. The lack of investment in infrastructure over the past couple of decades is both stunning and shocking, so is America becoming the third world?

It's obvious that America is in its death throws. In 30 years time, it will be irrelevant. This is the century of China. Use any relevant metric you want. You will get the same answer.

On 2/13/2026 at 11:33 PM, JBChiangRai said:

In China, renewables count for 90% of new power investment whereas this is only 24% in America.

Question still remains. What total percent of all Chinas power is from non renewable vs renewable.

You neglected to answer and went off talking about new power generation.

On 2/14/2026 at 4:55 AM, JBChiangRai said:

My statistics come from the internet, a little research is all it takes.

I'm sure they manufacture their own solar panels and wind turbines; they are the manufacturing powerhouse of the world after all.

Renewable power is often more expensive, that is not the purpose, the purpose is to let this world survive its imminent catastrophe.

Renewables are also the only solution to the insatiable demands of data centers.

1 hour ago, blaze master said:

Question still remains. What total percent of all Chinas power is from non renewable vs renewable.

You neglected to answer and went off talking about new power generation.

Presumably this is a serious question, and you've forgotten how to Google.

A bit above the global average apparently is renewable (at least, as of 2022). @31-35%, depending on the source. The US though is pisspoor, preferring to grow corn for ethanol

https://energynow.com/2024/11/mapped-renewable-energy-as-a-percentage-of-power-generation-by-country/

Unlike the West, which seems to flog their coal stations until the end, all those quite new Chinese coal powered stations will be gone by 2040, having served their purpose.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8379489/pdf/main.pdf

Just now, Roadsternut said:

Presumably this is a serious question, and you've forgotten how to Google.

It is. I was simply trying to get a poster to address what was asked rather than go off talking about something different.

Thats all.

13 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

Renewables are also the only solution to the insatiable demands of data centers.

OK.

But are massive data centres really necessry? What do they produce of any great value to humanity?

39 minutes ago, scorecard said:

OK.

But are massive data centres really necessry? What do they produce of any great value to humanity?

AI. Project Stargate is a US government supported project, where they pointed out one of the grat benefits will be the supercharging of pharmaceutical development, an area of my specialty. AI enhanced mammography has transformed the lives of women. Previously, only 50% of mammograms were correct (what that means was cancers were missed, or cancer was falsely diagnosed leading to unecessary surgery and distress). AI mammography achieves 75% accuracy rates, and is especially beneficial for Western women who often have breasts of high tissue density, one of thr main reasons for misdiagnosis. The drug pipeline for dementia drugs has failed. We need AI for identification of candidate molecules for trials. When you check into hospital, AI is guiding decisions all the way along. What do you think docs are doing with those Ipads? AI is reducing readmission rates. When you become old, you will fall sick. You might end up old and sick in hospital. They discharge you. You get sicker back at home, and end up dying in hospital, in your own filth, unaware of whats going on around you. AI allows community nurses to be able to better predict if you are going to end up back in hospital, and can intervene to stop that happening. The goal of civilisation has always been so we can live a life of leisure, being creative, being human. We have moved away from the days, where we needed 10 kids, because only 2 were going to make it to 5, and we needed the kids because were were spending all day ploughing the fields etc. in order to live to the ripe old age of 35. AI will offer efficiency, in the same way the industrial revolution lead to more efficiency, and more leisure time. Sunday is associated with religion, a day of rest. But the saturday off comes down to a British 19th century industrialist. Having a weekend off is due to industrialisation.

The Luddites thought all that tech was wrong. Whatever happened to them?

58 minutes ago, blaze master said:

It is. I was simply trying to get a poster to address what was asked rather than go off talking about something different.

Thats all.

And now what's your conclusion? China is doing pretty well in transforming its energy supply I think.

Fossil fuels can be used for lots of things besides burning in a power station. Fossil fuel provides for 15% of the world supply. 99% of the feedstocks used in medicine are petrochemical. But now some countries have decided its better to power a TV with it, than to save a dying kid, or to feed a town.

7 minutes ago, Roadsternut said:

And now what's your conclusion? China is doing pretty well in transforming its energy supply I think.

Fossil fuels can be used for lots of things besides burning in a power station. Fossil fuel provides for 15% of the world supply. 99% of the feedstocks used in medicine are petrochemical. But now some countries have decided its better to power a TV with it, than to save a dying kid, or to feed a town.

I think renewables are great. We should transition but power and money are holding us back. Yes progress is being made but it should be happening so much quicker.

Now im off to check my dividends 😆

On 2/14/2026 at 11:47 AM, Yagoda said:

Whats the purpose of renewable power if it is more expensive and less efficient?

Renewable power reduces pollution caused by burning fossil fuels - that is one very significant reason!

Not everything, (nor every society) is driven by short term effects on wallets.

3 hours ago, blaze master said:

Question still remains. What total percent of all Chinas power is from non renewable vs renewable.

You neglected to answer and went off talking about new power generation.

Another poster answered you on this.

You might like to read about how China is becoming a green superpower as Trump retreats from Climate goals.

China is becoming a green superpower as Trump retreats from climate goals - BBC News

3 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Another poster answered you on this.

You might like to read about how China is becoming a green superpower as Trump retreats from Climate goals.

China is becoming a green superpower as Trump retreats from climate goals - BBC News

Doesn't really matter as we are already past the tipping point.....right

6 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Doesn't really matter as we are already past the tipping point.....right

We are not past it, we are approaching the tipping point and IMHO, passing it is inevitable.

Just now, JBChiangRai said:

We are not past it, we are approaching the tipping point and IMHO, passing it is inevitable.

There was something on here just the other day saying we were past it think.

Past it only applies to humans. The planet will be just fine.

2 minutes ago, blaze master said:

There was something on here just the other day saying we were past it think.

Past it only applies to humans. The planet will be just fine.

No, I never said we had past the climate tipping point. I said knowing what humans are like IMHO passing it is inevitable.

1 minute ago, JBChiangRai said:

No, I never said we had past the climate tipping point. I said knowing what humans are like IMHO passing it is inevitable.

I didnt say you. I swear I read something on here the other day saying we were past the tipping point already.

Sorry if I made that a little confusing.

Just now, blaze master said:

I didnt say you. I swear I read something on here the other day saying we were past the tipping point already.

Sorry if I made that a little confusing.

No problem, I apologise for misunderstanding you.

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