6 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Some might argue that the Guardian is just capable of applying more common sense to an illegitimate invasion, war crimes, and a war that has difficult and challenging outcomes no matter how you spin it. No allies are coming to Trump's relief, with regard to the Strait, the entire world has dismissed his plea for help as being just another desperate rant from an arrogant and witless fool, who started an unnecessary war that could become endless.

Although no one is making a public gesture of support, a large part is driven because of a fear of the Iranian regime. Some of it is pragmatic, in not looking to poke a beast, and the the other is for national self interest. Germany is one of Iran's largest trading partners in the west. One billion Euro+ is still a sizeable amount of trade. No doubt, some of it is motivated by the reality that the respective nations' public would not be supportive.

Oil and gas will eventually start flowing again. I expect, in less than a month. They see no need to further upset Iran in the interim.

On 3/17/2026 at 9:34 PM, MikeandDow said:

The rats are now abandoning the sinking ship, Joe Kent Director of the National couterterrorism is stepping Down, saying he cannot support the ongoing war in Iran, Iran posed no threat to America

Yanks are being taken for fools by trump and his cronies !!!

Mike Johnson , ,the Speaker says he (Joe Kent)hasn't been involved in the gang of eight brief's. and wonders outloud how he can conclude that Iran isn't a innement threat.

I wonder why Kent wasn't involved in the briefings.

On the other hand since the end of WW2, has America really won a single war with a fair fight that is ?

10 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

On the other hand since the end of WW2, has America really won a single war with a fair fight that is ?

No. Not one of consequence. Over 100 incursions, wars, conflicts and boondoggles. Not one victory.

Smart people would learn something from that.

11 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

On the other hand since the end of WW2, has America really won a single war with a fair fight that is ?

The U.S. has not won a major, declared war post-1945 in the conventional sense

, leading to debates over what constitutes a "win." While achieving clear military victories in smaller conflicts—such as the Gulf War (1991), Grenada (1983), and Panama (1989)—the U.S. has struggled with stalemates (Korea) and unsuccessful nation-building in long-term engagements like Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan. 

Key Post-1945 Conflict Outcomes:

• Gulf War (1990-1991): Generally considered a clear victory, as the U.S. successfully expelled Iraq from Kuwait.

• Invasions of Grenada (1983) and Panama (1989): Successful, swift, minor military actions to remove governments.

• Korean War (1950-1953): Ended in a stalemate and armistice, not a definitive win.

• Vietnam War (1955-1975): The U.S. withdrew in 1973, and South Vietnam fell in 1975, resulting in a loss.

• Iraq War (2003-2011) and Afghanistan War (2001-2021): These long-term engagements ended without achieving long-term stability or their original nation-building goals. 

47 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

No. Not one of consequence. Over 100 incursions, wars, conflicts and boondoggles. Not one victory.

Smart people would learn something from that.

Not Trump.