4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I’m honestly worried about the MAGA supporters involved here. Can we facilitate some help for them, maybe via the Thai authorities? We should show some concern, because even if their mentor doesn't care, we should stay on the higher moral ground. It’s clear they need an intervention, and we’re the only ones who can actually provide that kind of help. Reach out and help - don't let them suffer alone.

You should focus on taking care of yourself before worrying about helping others.

4 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

I’m honestly worried about the MAGA supporters involved here. Can we facilitate some help for them, maybe via the Thai authorities? We should show some concern, because even if their mentor doesn't care, we should stay on the higher moral ground. It’s clear they need an intervention, and we’re the only ones who can actually provide that kind of help. Reach out and help - don't let them suffer alone.

You'll find that the MAGA supporters are worried about the woke, lefties.

These types are destroying the west.

5 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

These types are destroying the west.

The best term to describe this is suicidal empathy.

1 hour ago, Rockyroad said:

Are you a drunk person? Bad grammar, insults and no sense at all.

Truth hurt does it?

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

And what you've been saying also sounds like a broken record, as you think the information you have is right, even though it's from another's opinion. Try for once to take Trump out of your thinking and look at why Iran's regime needed to be stopped. I'm not ignorant, so thinking I don't know what's going on, while you get the same information everyone else does, including me, is ignorance.

I'm not Trump's savior, as I know all about what he's done all along. I've already said how I feel about him, which you seem to keep forgetting. How is Trump affecting you living in Thailand? What harm has he caused you? What has he done that won't eventually help Iran's citizens in the long run? Do you know the full motives of this action, as it seems you keep going back to Trump this and Trump that? Others are saying the same things I am, so call them out.

You're getting closer to acting like our daily troll here, including the childish insults, so go after another who's telling the same things. I'm civil to everyone who's civil to me. I call out those who act like those with NPD, until they get so redundant I just ignore them.

Yes, cease and desist, as I never said tough cookies because America has it's own oil but that world trade is best when all countries use it with each other. I didn't make up the facts of how America does things.

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Iran's regime has not been stopped, that's the problem. The Strait of Hormuz will remain closed until authority is ceded to Iran in how it is operated. The blockade by the US Navy only serves to crystallize the Iranian government's determination. This all could have been avoided if Trump had not ripped up the treaty with Iran, just to spite Obama.

You ask what harm Trump has caused me. I am paying 44 baht/litre for my gasoline, instead of 32 baht per litre prior to the war. I use that fuel to travel to golf 3 times a week, a round trip of 60 km. My massage lady is moving back to her village because tourism has collapsed. I now have to find more expensive and less effective options.

Why should I be civil to you? You have been calling me ignorant from the get-go. You're promoting the absurd proposition America has won this war. Fact is, the template of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan is there for anyone to see.

21 hours ago, Hummin said:

I agree both sides play their part, but right now it is the rest of the world Trump is messing with. He is not saving the Western world. He is making the rest of the world despise what the West stands for, with all its double standards. That creates internal division, and we lose the strength that comes from being allies.

The rest of the world looks at Trump and MAGA as the real mentals.

So when MAGA calls the left mental, it is just projection. What you see in the mirror is what you project onto others, and that is why so many MAGAs come across as angry when they debate. The hate against the left is very real, and it is hard to believe you do not see it yourself. But that is what projection is about, the mirror on the wall.

Sorry dude, the left is mental. They are destroying the with their polices.

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.

Iran's regime has not been stopped, that's the problem. The Strait of Hormuz will remain closed until authority is ceded to Iran in how it is operated. The blockade by the US Navy only serves to crystallize the Iranian government's determination. This all could have been avoided if Trump had not ripped up the treaty with Iran, just to spite Obama.

You ask what harm Trump has caused me. I am paying 44 baht/litre for my gasoline, instead of 32 baht per litre prior to the war. I use that fuel to travel to golf 3 times a week, a round trip of 60 km. My massage lady is moving back to her village because tourism has collapsed. I now have to find more expensive and less effective options.

Why should I be civil to you? You're promoting the absurd proposition America has won this war. Fact is, the template of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan is there for anyone to see.

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Okay, so the gas prices have gone up, like they always do for one reason or another, likely temporarily. Isn't this a good reason to curtail terrorism by Iran's regime, and hopefully allow them to have a better form of government? Tourism collapsing isn't all because of fuel prices, as there are a lot more factors involved. People will still keep coming if the country offers something a majority likes. Thailand's tourism will fall because of how foreigners are treated.

Being civil to me is how a person should act, no matter their views or political leanings. That I'm in the middle and have mentioned this all along, along with my disdain for Trump as a person, should have you understanding it's not about trump in my mind but stopping terrorism any way it can be stopped, and allowing Iran's citizens to have a safe place to call home.

I never said America has won this war. They are definitely winning it as far as curtailing what Iran's military can do, and taking away the possibility of a terrorist regime having nuclear weapons. Also leaving Iran's people in a better place as far as them having that safer place to live.It's up to them now. What happened in Vietnam has nothing to do with this tenure or the far more advanced technology America has now.

20 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

You might not have noticed, but it isn't half the people in the USA posting here and it isn't them interjecting into a thread concerning mental health, with comments about the Left. That was you.

I didn't note anything political about @jvs 's opening post. That is just something that yourself and @TedG have insinuated. Honestly, from my side, it's remarkable. Take my word for it, as I don't go in for the whole Right/Left thing anyway. For me, people are people. The Right/Left thing is an obsession of yours, that is obviously having an effect on your everyday life. That is my honest observation thus far.

Your side is crazy is hell bent on destroying the West.

30 minutes ago, TedG said:

Sorry dude, the left is mental. They are destroying the with their polices.

Thats the same argument a true christian would give, sorry but Jesus died on the cross for us! No evidence only belief.

5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Thats the same argument a true christian would give, sorry but Jesus died on the cross for us! No evidence only belief.

I’m an atheist, that line of attack does not work against me.

1 minute ago, TedG said:

I’m an atheist, that line of attack does not work against me.

Exactly

4 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Exactly

But, when you talk about mental illnesses you need to include the left.

48 minutes ago, TedG said:

Your side is crazy is hell bent on destroying the West.

What side is that? Your mind is so bent out of shape, you think there are just two sides.

34 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Okay, so the gas prices have gone up, like they always do for one reason or another, likely temporarily. Isn't this a good reason to curtail terrorism by Iran's regime, and hopefully allow them to have a better form of government? Tourism collapsing isn't all because of fuel prices, as there are a lot more factors involved. People will still keep coming if the country offers something a majority likes. Thailand's tourism will fall because of how foreigners are treated.

Being civil to me is how a person should act, no matter their views or political leanings. That I'm in the middle and have mentioned this all along, along with my disdain for Trump as a person, should have you understanding it's not about trump in my mind but stopping terrorism any way it can be stopped, and allowing Iran's citizens to have a safe place to call home.

I never said America has won this war. They are definitely winning it as far as curtailing what Iran's military can do, and taking away the possibility of a terrorist regime having nuclear weapons. Also leaving Iran's people in a better place as far as them having that safer place to live.It's up to them now. What happened in Vietnam has nothing to do with this tenure or the far more advanced technology America has now.

Has Iran surrendered its stockpile of enriched uranium? No.

Has Iran allowed free passage to ships in the Strait of Hormuz? No.

Is Iran a safer place for the ordinary citizen to live? No.

"Likely temporarily"? Not while the Strait of Hormuz is closed. Thank you for your sympathy.

Your post is full of evasions and deflections. Respect has to be earned, it can't be demanded.

In Afghanistan, the US had much of the technology it has now. Afghanistan is 75% mountains. Iran is 55%.

The US cannot win a war against Iran without boots on the ground. Geography says it will fail if it tries.

11 minutes ago, TedG said:

But, when you talk about mental illnesses you need to include the left.

No, you need to include yourself. This isn't a political thread. This thread is about you. That fact seems to escape you, time and time again.

3 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

No, you need to include yourself. This isn't a political thread. This thread is about you. That fact seems to escape you, time and time again.

It become a political thread by page two.

1 minute ago, Lacessit said:

Your post is full of evasions and deflections. Respect has to be earned, it can't be demanded.

This is the crux of the matter. His is not a political commentary. It's simply a demonstration of his character.

I'm grateful for this thread, as it gives the opportunity to discuss people using politics to express their own characters.

For myself, I consider it quite remarkable that someone would join this thread to attack the 'Left'. That's weird. But the people doing it don't think that it is. That, for me, appears to be a kind of obsession.

17 minutes ago, TedG said:

But, when you talk about mental illnesses you need to include the left.

Mental illness does not belong to one side or the other. But right now, there are people in the White House who seem not merely unstable, but openly unhinged, and made worse by religious certainty, talk of God’s will, and extreme right-wing ideology. As an atheist, what stands out to me is how easily you swallow camels for your own side because of belief and worldview.

4 minutes ago, TedG said:

It become a political thread by page two.

No, it's not a political thread, even if you want to believe that it is. It isn't for me. That's not how I'm appraising what is being written here.

38 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Thats the same argument a true christian would give, sorry but Jesus died on the cross for us! No evidence only belief.

There is just as much evidence that there is a God, as there is evidence there is not God.

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Mental illness does not belong to one side or the other. But right now, there are people in the White House who seem not merely unstable, but openly unhinged, and made worse by religious certainty, talk of God’s will, and extreme right-wing ideology. As an atheist, what stands out to me is how easily you swallow camels for your own side because of belief and worldview.

And the left is mentally ill

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Has Iran surrendered its stockpile of enriched uranium? No.

Has Iran allowed free passage to ships in the Strait of Hormuz? No.

Is Iran a safer place for the ordinary citizen to live? No.

"Likely temporarily"? Not while the Strait of Hormuz is closed. Thank you for your sympathy.

Your post is full of evasions and deflections. Respect has to be earned, it can't be demanded.

In Afghanistan, the US had much of the technology it has now. Afghanistan is 75% mountains. Iran is 55%.

The US cannot win a war against Iran without boots on the ground. Geography says it will fail if it tries.

My post is full of facts and let's wait for the end result, as I've said over and over. The war doesn't have to be "won" if Iran surrenders and negotiates. Having Iran's people living in a safer place is the most important thing right? If boots go onto the ground, many will die, especially on Iran's side, and I'm thinking it's soldiers don't want any part of that.

8 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Mental illness does not belong to one side or the other. But right now, there are people in the White House who seem not merely unstable, but openly unhinged, and made worse by religious certainty, talk of God’s will, and extreme right-wing ideology. As an atheist, what stands out to me is how easily you swallow camels for your own side because of belief and worldview.

That's the same argument a true Christian would make; "Sorry but Jesus died on the cross for us!" No evidence only belief.

7 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

No, it's not a political thread, even if you want to believe that it is. It isn't for me. That's not how I'm appraising what is being written here.

You are arguing for the sake of it. Look above, two people are arguing about the Iran dust up. You’re a tard.

31 minutes ago, TedG said:

But, when you talk about mental illnesses you need to include the left.

In Australia, what you call the left is responsible for the formation of Medicare, our enterprise bargaining system, and the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, making medications a lot more affordable than what prevails in America with Big Pharma.

If you want to call that mentally ill, bring it on.

7 minutes ago, TedG said:

You are arguing for the sake of it. Look above, two people are arguing about the Iran dust up. You’re a tard.

Have you ever seen a thread go off-topic before? It doesn't change the topic. For me, everything that is posted is being read with the topic in mind.

So you carry on... I'm taking note 😊

Of the people who, regardless of the topic, post in a calm and erudite manner and those who appear extreme, even unhinged, in their behaviour.

1 minute ago, IsmeUno said:

Have you ever seen a thread go off-topic before? It doesn't change the topic. For me, everything that is posted is being read with the topic in mind.

So you carry on... I'm taking note 😊

Of the people who, regardless of the topic, post in a calm and erudite manner and those who appear extreme, even unhinged, in their behaviour.

Have you ever seen a thread stay on topic?

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

There is just as much evidence that there is a God, as there is evidence there is not God.

I’m not going to argue, because as far as I can see there is no evidence for a god, at least not for any of the gods humans believe in. Whatever may exist, no human actually knows. The rest lives in the mind, rent free.

And when I look at what is coming out of the White House now, I think it is fair to ask serious questions. Donald Trump is back in office, and this is not just about one odd moment. He joined pastors praying over him in the Oval Office, while he and people around him have increasingly wrapped war and power in Christian language. At the same time, his administration has used openly religious framing around the Iran war, and even posted and then deleted AI-generated images showing him in Jesus like imagery. That is not a small thing. It raises real questions about judgment, ego, and the mixing of religion, personality cult, and state power.

So my question is this: is that acceptable? Does that look like the behavior of a balanced president acting in the interests of a modern democracy, or does it look like a leader tipping in the wrong direction?

And let’s be honest, if Biden or Kamala Harris had stood in the Oval Office surrounded by religious leaders praying over them while war was being framed in near-biblical terms, and then posted Jesus-like imagery of themselves, the outrage would have been instant and relentless. The double standard is obvious.

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

In Australia, what you call the left is responsible for the formation of Medicare, our enterprise bargaining system, and the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme, making medications a lot more affordable than what prevails in America with Big Pharma.

If you want to call that mentally ill, bring it on.

Yes, these social programs are also killing the budgets of the west.

13 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That's the same argument a true Christian would make; "Sorry but Jesus died on the cross for us!" No evidence only belief.

But he's not using that belief to justify hating and killing people...