On 4/24/2026 at 5:46 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

Dear Folks,

How much do Americans (or most people around the world) really know about the culture found in Iran, compared to how much they might know about the culture found within the newly formed Territory of Israel, as it stands today?

And, if one could preserve either Iran or Israel, which one would you prefer to see endure during the next few years, or maybe the next decade?

1. Iran, with its thousands of years of culture?

2. Israel, which seems to be a conglomeration of mixed-up cultures injected into the territory, mostly less than 100 years ago?

Although I would not want to influence any vote here, I think I would choose, if I must choose, to see Iran endure.

Now that we have been living in the age of easy nuclear weapons, for quite a few decades, the preservation of either Iran or Israel is less assured.

But, if one were to disregard the effects of a nuclear weapon attack, I still favor the culture of Iran. The Iranians seem much less warlike than the Israelis, and this is just based on my reading of the Hebrew Bible, among other sources.

I also love how the name PERSIA rolls off the tongue.

And, also, when I was young, I had two Persian cats and a Persian rug.

I never had no Israeli cats or Israeli rugs, for example.

I am, and have been, very impressed with the long, continuous culture of Persia.

I must remind myself to do a LOT more reading about the culture of Iran/Persia.

I love upbeat reading during the Raining Season in Thailand.

What about you?

Would it be Iran, if you had to make a choice?

Best regards,

Gamma

The Quran clearly states Allah gave Jews the Holy Land to dwell in, it never mentions Iran, or Palestine !

9 hours ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

As if like magic You Tube delivers a video that can explain it far better than I can and Iran punctured forever the myth of Israeli invincibility. There is no turning back. Jews are smart people - when the smart people know the cost is too high the smart people leave and the Jews left ain't the Isarel most liberal Zionist Jews want to be a part of.

House of Cards built on lies and propaganda supported by that which was only possible due to a fluke of German history.

History had conspired to create the territory which should never have been artificially injected into the region where it now lies.

Throughout history, when leaders of the world try to create artificial borders, not based on cultural affinity and unity, the failure always brings human suffering.

But, this would never have happened without WW2 and pre-WW2 history, and so the work of that dastardly Paper Hanger is actually still hanging around.

Edited April 30Apr 30 by GammaGlobulin

3 hours ago, visalady said:

The Quran clearly states Allah gave Jews the Holy Land to dwell in, it never mentions Iran, or Palestine !

Please do not allow mythology to enter our discussion.

The Territory of Israel was very recently injected into the area where it now lies, and this was done by a colonial power.

Israel must be moved. Something that can never happen.

The best solution is to incentivize the people living in the territory to head for the USA.

They will be happier there, anyway.

But, do NOT allow The BB to visit or live there.

The BB must remain where he is, in the land of Milk and Honey.

The land of his own creation.

58 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Please do not allow mythology to enter our discussion.

The Territory of Israel was very recently injected into the area where it now lies, and this was done by a colonial power.

Israel must be moved. Something that can never happen.

The best solution is to incentivize the people living in the territory to head for the USA.

They will be happier there, anyway.

But, do NOT allow The BB to visit or live there.

The BB must remain where he is, in the land of Milk and Honey.

The land of his own creation.

You are quite mad Isarel as entity is going nowwhere - what it will look like in ten years is anybody's guess. They are getting spanked (again) in Lebanon - they never learn. Hezbollah are getting very clever using fibre optic fpv drones just like the Russo-Ukarine war - History Legends a great clearing house for all the info has done a pivot.

As was easily predictable from the start, this topic is yet another platform to bash Israel (which is a sovereign nation state not a territory).

16 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You are quite mad Isarel as entity is going nowwhere - what it will look like in ten years is anybody's guess. They are getting spanked (again) in Lebanon - they never learn. Hezbollah are getting very clever using fibre optic fpv drones just like the Russo-Ukarine war - History Legends a great clearing house for all the info has done a pivot.

We need far more support for the tools of asymmetric warfare, made available to those in need, in the ME, so that Israel's neighbors will begin to feel safer from the bulldog, BB.

16 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

As was easily predictable from the start, this topic is yet another platform to bash Israel (which is a sovereign nation state not a territory).

Nobody outside Israel is bashing Israel.

It is The BB, and people like him, in the gov, and Israeli leadership, that is bashing Israel.

These are the men who are doing great harm to Israel.

Everybody knows this, as Noam might have said.

9 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Nobody outside Israel is bashing Israel.

It is The BB, and people like him, in the gov, and Israeli leadership, that is bashing Israel.

These are the men who are doing great harm to Israel.

Everybody knows this, as Noam might have said.

Israel the nation state is not Netanyahu any more than USA the nation state is Trump.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

As was easily predictable from the start, this topic is yet another platform to bash Israel (which is a sovereign nation state not a territory).

A nation over 3k years old confirmed by Allah in the Quran, yet Islam still hates Jews because they would not accept the crazy prophet's claims.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Israel the nation state is not Netanyahu any more than USA the nation state is Trump.

There has been a long succession of leadership in Israel that has led the territory in the wrong direction.

Israel is not a democracy, I guess.

If it were, I wonder who the people there would vote.

The entire territory has been a can of worms from the very beginning.

There was no justification for injecting the territory into where it lies today.

This was one of the worst sequence of events in history.

Now, we are paying for it.

We have been paying for it for decades.

We need to stop the madness.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Israel the nation state is not Netanyahu any more than USA the nation state is Trump.

Since I mentioned my friend Noam, what is Noam's view about Israel and Iran, or a few of his views?

You will never change your views, and I can easily understand this.

However, I have changed my views, the more I see in the real world, and in the actions of the Territory of Israel, and in the Genocide committed by Israel.

There is no other word for it.

So, I agree with Noam Chomsky in this case, and you must follow your conscience, too.

Edited April 30Apr 30 by GammaGlobulin

What if we were to say that Jews don't need Israel because they already have New York?

Somebody who talks sense.

Wish he were still alive and active as he once was.

Edited April 30Apr 30 by GammaGlobulin

30 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Since I mentioned my friend Noam, what is Noam's view about Israel and Iran, or a few of his views?

You will never change your views, and I can easily understand this.

However, I have changed my views, the more I see in the real world, and in the actions of the Territory of Israel, and in the Genocide committed by Israel.

There is no other word for it.

So, I agree with Noam Chomsky in this case, and you must follow your conscience, too.

30 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Since I mentioned my friend Noam, what is Noam's view about Israel and Iran, or a few of his views?

You will never change your views, and I can easily understand this.

However, I have changed my views, the more I see in the real world, and in the actions of the Territory of Israel, and in the Genocide committed by Israel.

There is no other word for it.

So, I agree with Noam Chomsky in this case, and you must follow your conscience, too.

Your friend Chomsky and also Epstein's close friend.

More obnoxious sleazy straw man games.

Just because I do support the right of Israel to exist and defend itself does not as you imply mean that I support the actions of Israeli governments and fascist Trump towards Iran! Trump tore up a perfectly good nuclear agreement with Iran just because he hated Obama. Trump if he manages to find a way out the mess he created won't get anything as good as what Obama already got.

Edited April 30Apr 30 by Jingthing

16 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

What if we were to say that Jews don't need Israel because they already have New York?

Somebody who talks sense.

Wish he were still alive and active as he once was.

The Jews don't "have" New York.

You really want to screw the Jews, don't you?

Their state isn't a state.

They all need to leave.

I think you're spouting evil and stupid ideas and you wouldn't dare to try to spread such racist filth towards any other group.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Trump tore up a perfectly good nuclear agreement with Iran just because he hated Obama.

Yes.

True.

And, this is only a part of the story, but it was wrong for Trump to do this.

Now he is paying for it.

And, The BB is happy as a clam in mud, over it.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

The Jews don't "have" New York.

You really want to screw the Jews, don't you?

Their state isn't a state.

They all need to leave.

I think you're spouting evil and stupid ideas and you wouldn't dare to try to spread such racist filth towards any other group.

Please listen carefully to the video link I uploaded.

Chomsky did not say this, that the Jews have New York.

Please watch the vid and then get back to me.

A very good vid, by the way.

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Yes.

True.

And, this is only a part of the story, but it was wrong for Trump to do this.

Now he is paying for it.

And, The BB is happy as a clam in mud, over it.

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Yes.

True.

And, this is only a part of the story, but it was wrong for Trump to do this.

Now he is paying for it.

And, The BB is happy as a clam in mud, over it.

5 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Yes.

True.

And, this is only a part of the story, but it was wrong for Trump to do this.

Now he is paying for it.

And, The BB is happy as a clam in mud, over it.

You can't blame Netanyahu for trying to persuade Trump to do something no other president has agreed to. The US president is supposedly the most powerful person in the world. That power includes the agency to say NO.

6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Please listen carefully to the video link I uploaded.

Chomsky did not say this, that the Jews have New York.

Please watch the vid and then get back to me.

A very good vid, by the way.

I call BS.

You say Jews of Israel should all leave.

Do you even realize how RACIST that is?

No different really than people saying blacks should go back to Africa.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I call BS.

You say Jews of Israel should all leave.

Do you even realize how RACIST that is?

No different really than people saying blacks should go back to Africa.

Here is the reason for strife. Does anyone think there is a solution, according to solutions tried so far?

There is no solution, unfortunately.

So be it.

This has been a disaster in the making from the very beginning.

And, it is not unlikely that...ONE DAY....someone like The BB, or maybe even The BB himself,..

Will put an end to this using nuclear weapons.

The Territory of Israel will never be welcome in the area, and this is a certainty.

Therefore, emigration might be the better choice, compared to complete nuclear annihilation.

(There are those in the Israeli gov who are actively forcing Palestinian emigration to other countries, including Africa.

Therefore, if it is good enough for them, then maybe it is even better for the people of Israel to emigrate first.)

But, it never had to be this way.

This was a decision made by Israel and the USA, presumably.

The lion will never lie down with the lamb.
And, who is the lion, anyway.

The entire thing is a complete can of worms.

How many more decades will this disaster linger????

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I call BS.

You say Jews of Israel should all leave.

Do you even realize how RACIST that is?

No different really than people saying blacks should go back to Africa.

Blacks can visit Africa whenever they like, but I think for them to "go back" to some place they had never been would be impossible.

They might first go as tourists, and some do. I doubt if they would enjoy it there.

On the other hand. I would never wish to see the blacks of the USA establish their own autonomous State in the United States.

This would not be welcomed by most citizens in America.

By what authority, really, has the "state" of Israel been granted?

Just a few old men who are now dead, and who really did not have the authority to decide in the first place.

Instead, it was the people living in the area who should have had more authority than some old man sitting at his desk in Washington DC.

6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Blacks can visit Africa whenever they like, but I think for them to "go back" to some place they had never been would be impossible.

They might first go as tourists, and some do. I doubt if they would enjoy it there.

On the other hand. I would never wish to see the blacks of the USA establish their own autonomous State in the United States.

This would not be welcomed by most citizens in America.

By what authority, really, has the "state" of Israel been granted?

Just a few old men who are now dead, and who really did not have the authority to decide in the first place.

Instead, it was the people living in the area who should have had more authority than some old man sitting at his desk in Washington DC.

By what "authority" were the United States or Australia or countless others get established? You seem really blind to your vile hypocrisy extreme bias. What are there, 50 Islamic nations and yet not one peep about how they shouldn't be allowed to exist. You don't demean them by refusing to call them nations either. No, it's the one and only objectively MINISCULE Jewish nation that gets all the noise.

Anti-Zionism quite commonly is infected with ignorance, bigotry, and and irrational hatred.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

By what "authority" were the United States or Australia or countless others get established? You seem really blind to your vile hypocrisy extreme bias. What are there, 50 Islamic nations and yet not one peep about how they shouldn't be allowed to exist. You don't demean them by refusing to call them nations either. No, it's the one and only objectively MINISCULE Jewish nation that gets all the noise.

Anti-Zionism quite commonly is infected with ignorance, bigotry, and and irrational hatred.

I feel no hatred, irrational or otherwise.

However, after watching this foreign policy FIASCO unfold for decades, I want to see an end to it.

I am probably no different than the majority of the rest of the world.

If the Israelis cannot be satisfied with the territory allotted by the UN, 1947, then there is really no solution.

Israel will never be satified.

Israel wants to dominate the ME.

They have the nukes.

Their nukes must be removed, by force, if necessary.

According to Noam Chomsky:

a. Why does the US support Israel?

b. What is the history of Christian Zionism and Jewish Zionism? And which came first?

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

I feel no hatred, irrational or otherwise.

However, after watching this foreign policy FIASCO unfold for decades, I want to see an end to it.

I am probably no different than the majority of the rest of the world.

If the Israelis cannot be satisfied with the territory allotted by the UN, 1947, then there is really no solution.

Israel will never be satified.

Israel wants to dominate the ME.

They have the nukes.

Their nukes must be removed, by force, if necessary.

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

I feel no hatred, irrational or otherwise.

However, after watching this foreign policy FIASCO unfold for decades, I want to see an end to it.

I am probably no different than the majority of the rest of the world.

If the Israelis cannot be satisfied with the territory allotted by the UN, 1947, then there is really no solution.

Israel will never be satified.

Israel wants to dominate the ME.

They have the nukes.

Their nukes must be removed, by force, if necessary.

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

I feel no hatred, irrational or otherwise.

However, after watching this foreign policy FIASCO unfold for decades, I want to see an end to it.

I am probably no different than the majority of the rest of the world.

If the Israelis cannot be satisfied with the territory allotted by the UN, 1947, then there is really no solution.

Israel will never be satified.

Israel wants to dominate the ME.

They have the nukes.

Their nukes must be removed, by force, if necessary.

This is fraudulent, there has never been a country called Palestine. Most of the old protectorate with that name is now Jordan, not Israel

19 minutes ago, visalady said:

there has never been a country called Palestine.

This is another problem.

Palestine needs to be declared a state.

Have you ever heard of the TWO STATE solution, which has been accepted by many countries.

If Israel wishes to be considered a state, then so must Palestine be considered a state, with full rights as a state.

Also, Israel must be completely disarmed of nukes.

And, Israel has to withdraw back to the original territory according to what was envisioned in 1947, and no more.

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

I feel no hatred, irrational or otherwise.

However, after watching this foreign policy FIASCO unfold for decades, I want to see an end to it.

I am probably no different than the majority of the rest of the world.

If the Israelis cannot be satisfied with the territory allotted by the UN, 1947, then there is really no solution.

Israel will never be satified.

Israel wants to dominate the ME.

They have the nukes.

Their nukes must be removed, by force, if necessary.

That map is commonly circulated on social media by fools who do not know their history - it looks good, like meme so they think they are clever - In reality it’s a textbook example of Brandolini's law - it takes seconds to post something misleading and far longer to unpack why it’s wrong.

1) The 1946 map is not “Palestinian land”

It shows all the land in green labelled “Palestine”, implying ownership by Palestinians. That’s not accurate.

• In 1946 the area was the British Mandate for Palestine, governed by British Empire

• Land ownership was mixed:

• Large portions were state land (Ottoman/British public land)

• Some privately owned by Arab Palestinians

• Some privately owned by Jewish residents

• Jews already owned land and lived there in significant numbers

So it wasn’t a sovereign Palestinian state that “lost land” - it was a colonial administrative territory with mixed ownership.

2) The 1947 map (UN plan) was never implemented:

The second panel shows a neat split labelled “Israel” and “Palestine”.

• This refers to the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine

• It was proposed, not enacted

• Jewish leadership accepted it (with reservations)

• Arab leadership rejected it

What followed was civil war, then invasion by neighbouring Arab states. So presenting it as an actual stage in territorial change is misleading.

3) The 1949–1967 map omits who controlled the land:

The third panel suggests “Palestine” shrank further after Israel expanded.What’s missing:

• After the 1948 Arab-Israeli War:

•  West Bank was controlled and annexed by Jordan

• Gaza Strip was controlled by Egypt

• There was no independent Palestinian state during this period

So the map implies Palestinian territory existed and was reduced, when in reality it was under other countries’ control.

4) The 2012 map conflates autonomy with sovereignty:

The final panel shows fragmented green areas.

This represents areas under the Palestinian Authority after the Oslo Accords.

But:

• These areas are not fully sovereign states

• Control is divided (Areas A, B, C)

• Gaza is governed separately by Hamas

So it’s not a clean “remaining Palestine” - it’s a complex patchwork of administrative zones.

5) It reduces a complex conflict to a simple land-loss narrative

The biggest issue is conceptual:

The map tells a one-direction story: “Palestine shrinking / Israel expanding”

What it leaves out:

• Wars initiated by multiple sides

• Rejected peace proposals

• Changing control by different states

• Internal political divisions

• Legal vs military vs administrative control

In short / Bottom line: The map is flawed because it:

• Treats a colonial territory as a sovereign Palestinian state (1946)

• Shows a proposal as reality (1947)

• Ignores Jordanian and Egyptian control (1949–1967)

• Misrepresents modern governance as simple territory (2012)

It’s not that every frame is completely false - it’s that each one strips away crucial context, turning a complicated historical process into a misleading visual narrative - perfect for rhetoric and intellectual dishonest to present your bias.

Its a nice try - but one that has been repeated so many times already on almost every social media platform its not even original - its dated and commonly debunked - and thats Brandolini's law for you - it takes time to counter your ignorance and bias.

5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

It’s not that every frame is completely false - it’s that each one strips away crucial context, turning a complicated historical process into a misleading visual narrative - perfect for rhetoric and intellectual dishonest to present your bias.

Its a nice try - but one that has been repeated so many times already on almost every social media platform its not even original - its dated and commonly debunked - and thats Brandolini's law for you - it takes time to counter your ignorance and bias.

How would you create the territory required for a TWO-STATE solution, might I ask....

Please elucidate here.

And, please be fair.

16 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

it takes seconds to post something misleading and far longer to unpack why it’s wrong.

OK, then let's give it a try....

In light of this: Why not use the map below?

33 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

How would you create the territory required for a TWO-STATE solution, might I ask....

Please elucidate here.

And, please be fair.

Again - you force the consumption of oxygen - its why you are better off ignored.

But, OK... I’ll bite.

You’re asking “how would I create territory for a two-state solution” like it’s some unsolved mystery. It isn’t. The broad outline has been around for decades - borders roughly along the 1967 lines with land swaps, a Palestinian state in the West Bank and Gaza, security guarantees for Israel, and some kind of deal on Jerusalem. That’s been the basis of talks since the Oslo Accords and Camp David Summit.

The reason it hasn’t happened isn’t because no one can “elucidate” it. It’s because both sides have rejected versions of it at different times - especially over security, refugees, and Jerusalem.

Other possibilities exist - but are unrealistic the moment: i.e. “why not just one state” idea - in theory, sure. In reality, it runs straight into problems. Ongoing violence from groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, long-standing political rejectionism, and the fact Israel defines itself as a Jewish state. Absorbing millions of Palestinians as full citizens would fundamentally change that. Not giving them equal rights would be a non-starter.

That’s the real dilemma. Not a lack of ideas - a lack of acceptable outcomes.

Which is why most serious discussions still revolve around two states or some form of separation. Not because it’s perfect, but because the alternatives are messier - or messier right now at least while Iran is still stoking the fires.

So no - this isn’t about imagination. It’s about whether either side is willing to accept the trade-offs. Right now, they’re not.

And I’m not going to pretend one side is flawless and the other is evil just to make a neat argument - especially not using oversimplified maps or cherry-picked points.

3 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

I feel no hatred, irrational or otherwise.

However, after watching this foreign policy FIASCO unfold for decades, I want to see an end to it.

I am probably no different than the majority of the rest of the world.

If the Israelis cannot be satisfied with the territory allotted by the UN, 1947, then there is really no solution.

Israel will never be satified.

Israel wants to dominate the ME.

They have the nukes.

Their nukes must be removed, by force, if necessary.

Where to start?
Do you actually know anything about the history of this conflict?

As said there never was a historical nation of Palestine.

There was the British mandate -- much bigger.

At the time of the UN partition Israel agreed but the entire Arab world then went to war with Israel and rather surprisingly lost.

So you who wants to throw about half of the world's Jewish people under the bus (if that isn't Jew hatred, I don't know what is) thinks only the original partition borders are acceptable. When the reality is that the Palestinians would not agree to even that as if you didn't know that, and if they did, it would be totally indefensible.

Then you want to "force" Israel to give up their nukes. What total idiocy! Who last did that? Ukraine! In exchange they got security guarantees from both the USA and Russia -- equally worthless.

What sane nation will ever give up their nukes again?

Oh I forgot, you with your transparently Jew hating and insulting rhetoric won't even recognize that Israel is a nation.

The over 50 Arab and or Islamic nations in the worlds are nations but for some "mysterious" reason the one and only tiny Jewish nation in the world is just a territory.

Normally you come off as intelligent but daft. In this case, you really are speaking from a very dark and ignorant place.

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