40 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

OK, then let's give it a try....

In light of this: Why not use the map below?

35 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

There is no way this will be acceptable.
Do not even consider this expansion.

There will be no Sinai peninsula.

But, as you say, there is really no solution.

And so, it will be one or the other.

Either Israel must go, or we will see constant war for the future.

If there is constant war for the future, then Israel will cease to exist, anyway.

Iran, on the other hand, will remain where it has been during the past 1000 years, which is as it should be.

6 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

The lion will never lie down with the lamb.
And, who is the lion, anyway.

The lion is the Lion of Judah, a Jewish symbol for several thousand years. It is the basis of the emblem of Jerusalem. Qidreh is a Palestinian spiced lamb and rice dish. A lot of Israelis enjoy eating qidreh.

9 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

There is no way this will be acceptable.
Do not even consider this expansion.

There will be no Sinai peninsula.

But, as you say, there is really no solution.

And so, it will be one or the other.

Either Israel must go, or we will see constant war for the future.

If there is constant war for the future, then Israel will cease to exist, anyway.

Iran, on the other hand, will remain where it has been during the past 1000 years, which is as it should be.

No - it’s not a case of “either way Israel must go”. That’s a false dilemma, and it skips over every other (admittedly difficult) path that doesn’t end in annihilation.

The line you’ve probably seen on a lot of on social media sums up part of the reality, even if it’s blunt:

“If Hamas and Hezbollah lay down their arms, there will be no more war. If Israel lays down its arms, there will be no more Israel"....

There’s an element of truth in it - namely that security fears on one side aren’t abstract. But it’s still a slogan, not a solution.

With your initial idea - suggesting millions of Israelis relocate to the US is, blunt fantasy. States don’t just dissolve and relocate their populations.

So, to counter that - my 'map idea' - If we’re talking hypotheticals, then yes - floating something like limited land arrangements (e.g. Sinai involvement with Palestinian governance) is at least less detached from geography and history, even if Egypt would never accept it and Palestinians themselves have repeatedly rejected being displaced elsewhere.

So it’s “less preposterous”, but still not realistic policy.

The bigger issue is the conclusion that it’s “one or the other”. It isn’t - it’s just that the alternatives are messy, long-term, and politically painful:

• Some form of two-state outcome (still the default international position, however battered).

• Or a single state with equal rights (which raises its own demographic and identity conflicts).

None of those are easy, but they don’t require the eradication of either population.

About 20–21% of Israel’s population are Palestinians who are citizens of Israel; often called Arab Israelis - but I don't like to use that term because after being in Israel and throughout much of the Middle East - the similarities between the Israeli's and Arabs from neighbouring states and as far as the GCC's are overwhelmingly similar - with similar physical and facial features, signifiant overlap in religion and language - effectively they are the same peoples separated by a belief system and an argument.

So - it wouldn't be perfect - nothing is: but Palestinians who are citizens of Israel are not involved in violence or conflict, They live, work, vote, run businesses, serve in professions, and participate in everyday civic life inside Israel, Arab parties (Palestinians who are citizens of Israel) sit in the Knesset, and Arab citizens have held roles in government, courts, and medicine, etc.

That said, there are clear social and economic disparities, tensions can flare during wider conflicts (e.g. Gaza wars and Identity is complex - many identify as Palestinian culturally but are Israeli citizens politically.

Coexistence could exist - if the outside meddling were no so, for want of a better word 'meddlesome' - Iran has been stirring he pot and maintaining tensions which may otherwise have dissolved by now - but the issue is still more nuanced and historical than Iran's involvement.

On Iran itself - agreed in principle. A country remaining stable in its geography is one thing; being governed by a rigid theocratic system is another entirely. You can accept the former without endorsing the latter - Iran needs peaceful, representative governance - not the authoritarian clerical regime it has now

6 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

The lion is the Lion of Judah, a Jewish symbol for several thousand years. It is the basis of the emblem of Jerusalem. Qidreh is a Palestinian spiced lamb and rice dish. A lot of Israelis enjoy eating qidreh.

Give me the Qidreh, anyday, and you can keep your lion.

There are too many lions walking around, and not enough land.

Looks like a Pilaf to me, anyway.

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Give me the Qidreh, anyday, and you can keep your lion.

There are too many lions walking around, and not enough land.

Looks like a Pilaf to me, anyway.

Yes, it is a type of pilaf. Here's the recipe if you want to make it at home, although like Hamas peace proposals, the recipe is a bit vague and leaves out some important details.