4 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

If you are speaking about the Iranians or the Persians then....

EVIDENCE BASED SCIENCE shows that your comment is completely.....

FALSE

Oh hello again.

Yes, I was talking about the terrorist running the country of Iran.

They have plotted terrorism on Australian soil

6 hours ago, ezzra said:

First of all I gave the red thumb down that you do deserves, secondly, if israel is the definition of TERRORISTS, what would you call those groups that have been declared as TERRORISTS by the UN and a hole host of other nations? martyrs?

Please:

Do your best to STAY OFF the Thumb Down emoji.

But, since you used it, at least you had the courtesy to explain your use of it.

THANK YOU....!!!!!

5 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I am aware others believe the high civilian casualties in Gaza mean the IDF has committed war crimes or genocide, but I don't share that opinion.

No need to beat this dead horse, over and over, Sir.

We KNOW you, and many people like you, share your opinion.

This is PRECISELY why the world needs to make a change....

PDQ, if I might add.

Iran. Israel has been conducting genocide for 78 years and attacking neighboring countries. Iran has never attacked another country except in retaliation.

2 hours ago, Globalres said:

I must say I’m enjoying my Saturday morning, yet again reading your posts.

I find them quite amusing, witty and at times thought provoking.

Keep it up, your imagination is vivid, your curiosity commendable and coupled with at times dry humour as well as ability to stir other people’s supposed sense of dignity, certainly keeps me entertained. 😊

The Raining Season has now begun here.

Thankfully...

22 hours ago, johng said:

Whats absurd about the question ?

The binary dichotomy - the question itself is fundamentally flawed and divisive from the offset.

Both can survive peacefully alongside each other and were even trading partners until 1979.

The issue and questions outlying the issue are multifaceted and highly nuanced, have become far more complex - this is a dumbed down over simplified 'either or' question.

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Apparently he's the most unlikeable VP in American history.

People can see he's a soulless shape shifter owned by corporate techno fascists.

He may have been "authentic" earlier in his life. Doesn't matter now.

Not the most despised in history.

There was another, as I know you recall.

22 minutes ago, SAFETY FIRST said:

Oh hello again.

Yes, I was talking about the terrorist running the country of Iran.

They have plotted terrorism on Australian soil

Yes.

Let us be clear and precise, in the future.

12 minutes ago, Acharn said:

Iran. Israel has been conducting genocide for 78 years and attacking neighboring countries. Iran has never attacked another country except in retaliation.

Yeah their regime is a bunch of flippin' saints.

That's the ticket.

12 minutes ago, Acharn said:

Iran. Israel has been conducting genocide for 78 years and attacking neighboring countries. Iran has never attacked another country except in retaliation.

Iran is not trying to expand its borders.

The Territory of Israel is trying to expand its borders.

There is no need for Iran to attack its neighbors.

There is every need for Israel to attack, unprovoked, its neighbors, or just encroach on the land belonging to other nations, until this provokes a confrontation.

DUH........

7 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Yes.

Let us be clear and precise, in the future.

OK, Sorry dad 🙏

😂😂😂😂😂

5 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

I am aware others believe the high civilian casualties in Gaza mean the IDF has committed war crimes or genocide, but I don't share that opinion. The civilian deaths in Gaza are a tragic consequence of urban warfare in a densely populated area combined with the Hamas strategy of hiding fighters, weapons and firing points among noncombatants.

Israel does not have a policy of committing war crimes, but it is possible some IDF members, a small number, have violated accepted rules of war.

@JBChiangRai

I agree with all of the above , that is my anwser as well .

But as I said, I am completely bored with talking about it, so discuss it with E.P instead of me .

4 hours ago, Globalres said:

I must say I’m enjoying my Saturday morning, yet again reading your posts.

I find them quite amusing, witty and at times thought provoking.

Keep it up, your imagination is vivid, your curiosity commendable and coupled with at times dry humour as well as ability to stir other people’s supposed sense of dignity, certainly keeps me entertained. 😊

Just one additional observation of mine, if you will:

a. According to my recent informal survey, only approximately between one- and three-percent of TV members actually read and appreciate my Topics. These are the Elite on TV.

b. The rest are commoners.

c. My survey shows that 97-percent of these commoners reside in Pattaya.

Just a factoid which some might find interesting, or not.

6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Just one additional observation of mine, if you will:

a. According to my recent informal survey, only approximately between one- and three-percent of TV members actually read and appreciate my Topics. These are the Elite on TV.

b. The rest are commoners.

c. My survey shows that 97-percent of these commoners reside in Pattaya.

Just a factoid which some might find interesting, or not.

You are quite mad but in a nice way - just keep taking those meds though. It's a mad mad world.

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

1 hour ago, Acharn said:

Iran. Israel has been conducting genocide for 78 years and attacking neighboring countries. Iran has never attacked another country except in retaliation.

Iran is not trying to expand its borders.

The Territory of Israel is trying to expand its borders.

There is no need for Iran to attack its neighbors.

There is every need for Israel to attack, unprovoked, its neighbors, or just encroach on the land belonging to other nations, until this provokes a confrontation.

DUH........

DUH indeed... both statements are 'Duh'...

Neither claims hold up to verifiable facts and are built on absolutes that just aren’t true.

Iran isn’t really trying to annex territory, but it does (note use of bold and italics for emphasis !!) use force outside its borders and runs influence networks across the region. Israel has also used cross-border force and does control and expand territory taken in war. But saying Israel has done “genocide for 78 years” isn’t a proven legal fact, and saying Iran only acts in retaliation also isn’t true. Both sides have acted beyond their borders, sometimes defensively, sometimes not - depends who you ask and the individual situation.

Some of your the points to be refuted:

Iran hasn’t only acted in retaliation
Iran has carried out direct strikes across borders - Iraq (Erbil, 2022, 2025) and Pakistan (2024). Both countries called it a violation of sovereignty. So it’s not accurate to say Iran only ever retaliates.

Iran does expand influence (just not borders)
Iran backs groups like Hezbollah and the Houthis. That’s not land-grabbing, but it is expanding power across the region.

No annexation (you are correct)- but Iran still attempts to expand its influence in other ways

So..Iran isn’t trying to redraw maps officially. But influence, weapons, militias - that’s still expansion, just not the old-school kind that can be explained in dumbed down simplified meme's.

Israel hasn’t always attacked “unprovoked”
In 1948, multiple Arab states invaded after Israel declared independence. In the Yom Kippur War, Egypt and Syria struck first. So “always unprovoked” just doesn’t line up with history.

“78 years of genocide” isn’t an established fact
The International Court of Justice has not ruled that genocide has occurred - it only said the claim is “plausible,” which is a legal threshold, not a finding of guilt. Saying “78 years of genocide” as a fact is simply incorrect.

Also, whether something is genocide or self-defence isn’t decided by opinion - it depends on legal tests like necessity and proportionality, and that hasn’t been ruled on here.

And the idea that Israel is just randomly attacking all its neighbours doesn’t hold up either - it has peace treaties with Egypt and Jordan and isn’t at war with them.

The active cross-border conflict's in that sense is in Lebanon against Hezbollah and pre-emptive self-defence strikes in Syria targeting Iranian-linked forces and weapons transfers.

Israel has expanded territory - that part is real (you are correct here).

After the Six-Day War, Israel took control of the West Bank, East Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights, later annexing East Jerusalem and the Golan Heights - moves not widely recognised internationally.

Settlement expansion in the West Bank is also widely considered illegal under international law, so there is clear, documented evidence of territorial expansion that remains unresolved.

But... at the same time, this didn’t happen in a vacuum - the territories were captured during a regional war, the West Bank had been controlled by Jordan and Gaza by Egypt before 1967, and Israel later withdrew from Gaza in 2005.

Ongoing security concerns, including attacks by groups like Hamas, are cited by Israel as justification for some of its policies, while the broader territorial issue remains contested and unresolved under international law it is recognised that Israel is 'defending itself' by going on the offensive - the same people who are criticisn the US right now are the people are using the same argument to 'excuse Iran' for their actions - can't have it both ways.

Realistically:
Iran is not annexing land, but without doubt its projecting power and not just “retaliating”.
Israel has expanded territory, but not everything it does is unprovoked.

Genocide is an established fact here. The term is often used as strong, emotive language to reinforce an argument, but it requires proof of specific intent, which has not been established by the International Court of Justice. There are also millions of Palestinian Arabs living within Israel as citizens with legal rights, which challenges blanket claims of genocide. And groups like Hamas are organisations, not a people or ethnicity - so conflating action against such groups with genocide is not factually or legally accurate.

17 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

You are quite mad but in a nice way - just keep taking those meds though. It's a mad mad world.

Are we going nowhere, now?

Truly, it's a very MAD WORLD.....

We are just waiting for the day we might...just....

Feel good.

Yet: I'm OK, You're OK.....

Mad World, as you say.....

19 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

But saying Israel has done “genocide for 78 years” isn’t a proven legal fact,

This is why I never stated that.

I never stated this: Israel has done “genocide for 78 years”

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Are we going nowhere, now?

Truly, it's a very MAD WORLD.....

We are just waiting for the day we might...just....

Feel good.

Yet: I'm OK, You're OK.....

Mad World, as you say.....

Gary Jules really killed that song but then sort of dissapeared. Great movie - how is Harvey today ?

2 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Gary Jules really killed that song but then sort of dissapeared. Great movie - how is Harvey today ?

He's doing fine.

Gary never dissapeared.

He's here with me.

Has been for many years.

Israel first.

F Iran.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

People can see he's a soulless shape shifter owned by corporate anti democracy techno fascists.

Which people?

I see no need for either of them

Some major flaws in the indecently EVIL proposal of this topic to end Israel.

The vast majority of Israelis were born in Israel, don't have second passports. don't have any other country to go to, not to mention the many who have family there for many generations.

Also the idea that anti-migrant USA would welcome ALL the Jews of Israel into the USA to fulfill this evil fina solution for Israel plan is completely ignorant and idiotic.

Sure of course highly skilled people would have their choice of refugee nations but what about the baristas and bus drivers, hmm?

Learn from history --

3 hours ago, Acharn said:

Iran. Israel has been conducting genocide for 78 years and attacking neighboring countries. Iran has never attacked another country except in retaliation.

Iranian proxies attacked and invaded Israel , not in retaliation either

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I agree with all of the above ,

Maybe you're both deluded though.

I think some people are deluded as to how much savagery and barbarism is taking place in that country. And making excuses.

Here are Isreali settlers attacking a house. It's not even just the military behaving badly.

As I mentioned in another post, it seems the whole history of the region is cursed. It seems it was all built on crooked dealings where the land was promised to both sides. That's why neither side will relinquish.

Other countries need to step in and the whole country needs a major reboot like when your computer is infected with a virus. You need to reinstall the entire operating system from scratch.

26 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Maybe you're both deluded though.

I think some people are deluded as to how much savagery and barbarism is taking place in that country. And making excuses.

Here are Isreali settlers attacking a house. It's not even just the military behaving badly.

As I mentioned in another post, it seems the whole history of the region is cursed. It seems it was all built on crooked dealings where the land was promised to both sides. That's why neither side will relinquish.

Other countries need to step in and the whole country needs a major reboot like when your computer is infected with a virus. You need to reinstall the entire operating system from scratch.

The whole 'country' ??? - region would be more accurate - something needs to be done about Iran's proxy conflict and interference in the region - especially when Israels Neighbors - Egypt and Jordan have peace treaties with with Israel ? - why is that ? - perhaps it has something do with the fact that they will not permit Iran sponsored terrorist groups to operate from their nation.

I do agree that there are issues on both sides - this is most certainly not a binary issue.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Maybe you're both deluded though.

I think some people are deluded as to how much savagery and barbarism is taking place in that country. And making excuses.

Here are Isreali settlers attacking a house. It's not even just the military behaving badly.

As I mentioned in another post, it seems the whole history of the region is cursed. It seems it was all built on crooked dealings where the land was promised to both sides. That's why neither side will relinquish.

Other countries need to step in and the whole country needs a major reboot like when your computer is infected with a virus. You need to reinstall the entire operating system from scratch.

We were talking about the actions of the IDF though , you are talking about actions of the settlers , two different things .

The Settlers are not the IDF .

How can it be deluded when we stated that there may have been crimes committed by the IDF ?

I would preserve Iran. With Israel gone, there would be no state sponsored pedo rings (Epstein and his replacement), peace in the middle east, an independent USA, England and Germany, less porn on our televisions, independent media. In fact, the world could possibly be a utopia. 🙂

10 minutes ago, 1tooth said:

I would preserve Iran. With Israel gone, there would be no state sponsored pedo rings (Epstein and his replacement), peace in the middle east, an independent USA, England and Germany, less porn on our televisions, independent media. In fact, the world could possibly be a utopia. 🙂

Judenfrei a Nazi delight.

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Sure of course highly skilled people would have their choice of refugee nations but what about the baristas and bus drivers, hmm?

Learn from history --

Both bus drivers and baristas are welcome in the USA.

America is a nation of immigrants, with a population of only 340 million.

China has a hugely larger population.
And, the greater the population, the stronger the nation.

Also, the population of Israel is younger, and located earlier on the population S curve

America NEEDS as many smart people as it can get.

China is now getting old.

America still has its immigrants which keeps it strong.

A mere 10 million guys moving from Israel to Wisconsin would hardly even make a dent.

But, let them live anywhere they like.

WHAT?

You think the lack of passports might be an issue?

Fuhgeddaboudit.......!!!!

Trump could get you 10 million new passports by Tuesday.

I am not joking, Sir.