8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Dude.

I have never even one time read a comment from you when you're ranting about how criticism of Israel isn't about racist Jew hating say that SOMETIMES it is.

So sorry you're wrong. You definitely did imply by never saying that -- 100 percent hate free.

And yet you can’t produce examples with an explanation to support your accusation.

I suggest you wind back your baseless accusations, and focus on the actual haters in this thread, they exist on both sides of the discussion.

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Great. We agree.

Yes we agree on many things.

9 hours ago, Jingthing said:

So you're saying we should love Nazis?

I'm saying Israel is behaving similarly to the Nazis.

Things seem to have come around full circle. Once the victim, now the perpetrators. But since they continue playing the Holocaust card, it's causing cognitive dissonance in the minds of many people. People still view the Israelis as victims.

Here, check out this debate.

We cannot continue ...

You Israeli supporters are delusional and crazy. This situation is so far gone, so sick and vile and evil, yet you folks continue to thump your chests and find reasons to excuse all of this. Not sure how low things need to get before you start removing your head from your rectum.

And continuously taking the moral high ground and attacking people for being anti-semitic when Israel is clearly committing evil acts before our eyes.

Edited May 21May 21 by save the frogs

10 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Who cliams that ?

Whose policy is that ?

If you don't follow the rhetoric of the Israel religious orthodoxy, you have a serious blind spot in what's happening.

Also, take a look at the Born Again Christian crowd. They're all cheering this on as Biblical Prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes.

19 hours ago, save the frogs said:

My point is that none of the religious texts -- Quran, Bible, Torah should be used for geopolitical decisions.

If the history in those texts is accurate, that's fair game and can be used to try to decipher the situation.

But you used the word "command". Those books should not be commanding anything.

Intelligent people with decency should be commanding.

Muslims follow the Quran. If you read or listen to the statements of Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas et al, they frequently reference the Quran and use it to justify their jihad against the infidels and jewish people. These groups use the Quran to justify their claims, much of which are based upon fabrications and lies.

4 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Muslims follow the Quran. If you read or listen to the statements of Hezbollah, Iran, Hamas et al, they frequently reference the Quran and use it to justify their jihad against the infidels and jewish people. These groups use the Quran to justify their claims, much of which are based upon fabrications and lies.

Yes, BOTH sides need to stop referencing the religious texts.

As the so-called religious texts were created by demonic forces designed to get people to fight with each other.

Not by God.

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1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Yes, BOTH sides need to stop referencing the religious texts.

As the so-called religious texts were created by demonic forces designed to get people to fight with each other.

Not by God.

Your attribution of religious texts to demonic forces reflects your own bias.

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

Your attribution of religious texts to demonic forces reflects your own bias.

Yeah, but I never picked up a religious text and decided I am allowed to kill people based on its interpretation.

So it's a good bias.

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2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Your attribution of religious texts to demonic forces reflects your own bias.

And the ultra orthodox guys are the most devious and conniving of all.

They take the high ground because they act like the intellectuals who have figured out God's cryptic message in the holy text.

They are the ones pressuring Netanyahu to enact policy and they cheer from the sidelines, but when asked to fight start acting like savages.

And ps, he is yelling "Nazi" here in this video.

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These are the "peaceful" Arabs that the young trendy River to the Sea fashionable "anti-Zionists" are supporting

36 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

These are the "peaceful" Arabs that the young trendy River to the Sea fashionable "anti-Zionists" are supporting

Not unless you provide evidence anyone supporting particular people they’re not.

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Not unless you provide evidence anyone supporting particular people they’re not.

Can't respond to your incoherence.

20 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Can't respond to your incoherence.

Not surprisingly since it doesn’t exist, but thank you for responding anyway.

7 hours ago, save the frogs said:

If you don't follow the rhetoric of the Israel religious orthodoxy, you have a serious blind spot in what's happening.

Also, take a look at the Born Again Christian crowd. They're all cheering this on as Biblical Prophecy being fulfilled before our very eyes.

I haven't seen that though , which group says that all Palestinians need to leave the land so the Messiah can return ?

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I haven't seen that though , which group says that all Palestinians need to leave the land so the Messiah can return ?

The Godmother of Israeli settlers.

The promise of God is more important than the changes in history.

Palestinians will disappear from Gaza

more bad news

17 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I take your political analysis about as seriously as a fart pillow.

You've had your say. Ba-bye.

Thanks though it’s not a political analysis, just a simple analysis of the irony of your own prejudices and disposition which is of course a matter of record, am the least bit bothered as it’s your right to be as you wish.

6 minutes ago, novacova said:

Thanks though it’s not a political analysis, just a simple analysis of the irony of your own prejudices and disposition which is of course a matter of record, am the least bit bothered as it’s your right to be as you wish.

Blah blah blah

39 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The Godmother of Israeli settlers.

The promise of God is more important than the changes in history.

She is stating that no Palestinians state will exist .

She isn't saying what you claimed, She didn't say that

"Yes, and the only way Jesus H. Christ the 2nd will come down from the clouds and build the Temple on the Mount is if all Palestinians are removed from there."

She said that there will not be Palestine state , nothing about removing them from the land

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

She said that there will not be Palestine state , nothing about removing them from the land

she wants to move them to Egypt

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

she wants to move them to Egypt

So do I .

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

So do I .

good news.

i'm taking a break from israel topics.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

good news.

i'm taking a break from israel topics.

You really should .

You seem to be getting manically obsessed with the topic .

Better for you personally if you give the topic a rest for a while .

For your own personal well being

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You seem to be getting manically obsessed with the topic .

I can be intense.

Yeah, enough for my own psychological well-being and that of your team.

Wow

This is a must read.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stephenkmacksd/p/hatred-of-israel-and-the-degradation?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=55owmj

One of the most important observations in Bret Stephens’ piece is that hatred of Israel increasingly tells us less about Israel — and more about the societies indulging in that hatred.

That is what makes this essay so powerful.

Stephens carefully distinguishes between criticism of Israel — which is legitimate, necessary, and deeply present within Israeli society itself — and the obsessive moral exceptionalism now directed toward the Jewish state.

Because what we are witnessing across large parts of media, academia, activism, and culture is not normal criticism.

It is ideological fixation.

A fixation in which Israel is uniquely stripped of context, proportion, and even legitimacy itself.

A fixation in which every error, tragedy, allegation, or accusation is instantly woven into a broader theological narrative of Jewish evil.

A fixation in which fabricated or exaggerated claims are eagerly embraced so long as they reinforce prior ideological assumptions.

As Stephens writes:

“Societies that value critical thinking and reasoned moral judgment do not make a fetish of demonizing one small country and its people while imagining that peace, justice and freedom would somehow be achieved if only the country and its people were made to disappear.”

That is precisely the point.

A society grounded in reason does not become obsessed with one tiny democracy while largely ignoring mass atrocities, authoritarianism, ethnic cleansing, political repression, terrorism, slavery, and genocidal violence elsewhere across the globe.

A healthy intellectual culture does not repeatedly suspend skepticism whenever the accusation involves Jews or Israel.

And yet that is exactly what has happened.

For more than two decades, many of the most explosive allegations against Israel — from Jenin to Al-Durrah to the hospital blast after October 7 — have eventually collapsed, unraveled, or required substantial correction after being amplified worldwide as unquestioned truth.

But by then, the damage is already done.

Because the goal increasingly seems less about truth than emotional and ideological reinforcement.

And that should concern everyone, regardless of where they stand politically.

When journalism rewards narrative over evidence, institutions lose credibility.

When academia rewards activism over inquiry, intellectual rot follows.

When moral standards are selectively applied to Jews, societies corrode from within.

Stephens is right to frame this as a broader crisis of the West itself.

Not because Israel is beyond criticism. But because civilizations that lose the capacity for proportion, fairness, historical memory, and moral consistency inevitably begin losing something far more important than political arguments.

They lose their grip on reality

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Wow

This is a must read.

https://open.substack.com/pub/stephenkmacksd/p/hatred-of-israel-and-the-degradation?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android&r=55owmj

One of the most important observations in Bret Stephens’ piece is that hatred of Israel increasingly tells us less about Israel — and more about the societies indulging in that hatred.

That is what makes this essay so powerful.

Stephens carefully distinguishes between criticism of Israel — which is legitimate, necessary, and deeply present within Israeli society itself — and the obsessive moral exceptionalism now directed toward the Jewish state.

Because what we are witnessing across large parts of media, academia, activism, and culture is not normal criticism.

It is ideological fixation.

A fixation in which Israel is uniquely stripped of context, proportion, and even legitimacy itself.

A fixation in which every error, tragedy, allegation, or accusation is instantly woven into a broader theological narrative of Jewish evil.

A fixation in which fabricated or exaggerated claims are eagerly embraced so long as they reinforce prior ideological assumptions.

As Stephens writes:

“Societies that value critical thinking and reasoned moral judgment do not make a fetish of demonizing one small country and its people while imagining that peace, justice and freedom would somehow be achieved if only the country and its people were made to disappear.”

That is precisely the point.

A society grounded in reason does not become obsessed with one tiny democracy while largely ignoring mass atrocities, authoritarianism, ethnic cleansing, political repression, terrorism, slavery, and genocidal violence elsewhere across the globe.

A healthy intellectual culture does not repeatedly suspend skepticism whenever the accusation involves Jews or Israel.

And yet that is exactly what has happened.

For more than two decades, many of the most explosive allegations against Israel — from Jenin to Al-Durrah to the hospital blast after October 7 — have eventually collapsed, unraveled, or required substantial correction after being amplified worldwide as unquestioned truth.

But by then, the damage is already done.

Because the goal increasingly seems less about truth than emotional and ideological reinforcement.

And that should concern everyone, regardless of where they stand politically.

When journalism rewards narrative over evidence, institutions lose credibility.

When academia rewards activism over inquiry, intellectual rot follows.

When moral standards are selectively applied to Jews, societies corrode from within.

Stephens is right to frame this as a broader crisis of the West itself.

Not because Israel is beyond criticism. But because civilizations that lose the capacity for proportion, fairness, historical memory, and moral consistency inevitably begin losing something far more important than political arguments.

They lose their grip on reality

Retaining a grip on reality I read the Substack article you linked, including the editor’s foot note:

“Recall that Eric Hoffer was the only Public Intelectual that LBJ could muster, as an apologist for the Vietnam War. Like Hoffer Stephens wallows in the self-serving ahistorical!”

On 5/19/2026 at 1:35 AM, Nick Carter icp said:

Türkiye ruled the land for 400 years , then the Ottoman empire fell and the UK were left ruling the land for 20 years .

The UK left the land and the land was divided up between Israel and Palestine.

Israel accepted the offer and formed their own Country and the Palsedtians refused the offer and so they didn't form a country

On 5/19/2026 at 1:52 AM, save the frogs said:

Because they comprised 70 per cent of the population, but the proposed partition only gave them 40 per cent of the land.

The region of the former Ottoman Empire that fell under the control of the U.K. included land on both sides of the Jordan River.

Already in 1920 the British split off Transjordan to form the Emirate of Transjordan. It was 3.4 times larger in size than what became Mandatory Palestine and Jews were forbidden to settle or live in TransJordan. It was reserved entirely for Arabs.

Under the U.N. partition plan of 1947, Jews were given about 12% of the total territory (Transjordan and Mandatory Palestine) that had been under British control.

The Jews were to get 56% of the land under the partition plan because: 1) much of it was in the Negev Desert; and 2) extra land was needed for an expected influx of up to 500,000 displaced and/or stateless Jews. Zionist settlers had had considerable success in reclaiming land from desert areas.

Overall, the British and U.N. plans to resolve the situation in Palestine did not unfairly favor the Jews.

They bring it on themselves. As a people, you can’t repeatedly go into other countries and kill and maim and steal land. We supposedly left all that nonsense behind generations ago. I say it as I see it. If you see that as being antisemitic… well, whatever.

1 hour ago, Evil Penevil said:

2) extra land was needed for an expected influx of up to 500,000 displaced and/or stateless Jews.

In your mind, this is fair.

But most of these stateless Jews do not have ancestral DNA ties to the land.

Probably why the Palestinians view it as unfair.

There does not seem to be enough land to go around to house all these stateless Jews.

Why not divide the Jews into 2 categories? The ones with DNA ties to the land stay in Israel under a 2 state solution.

And the Ashkenazi Jews can moved to another country.

Sorry, but what is going on now is not working and never will work, and the continued violence is not acceptable.