From Britania et al:

The Term "Antisemitism"

The related term "antisemitism" was coined in the late 19th century in Europe as a pseudo-scientific, racialized way to refer to hatred of Jewish people. Consequently, "Semite" is sometimes incorrectly conflated solely with Jewish people, although, linguistically, it encompasses various groups of Middle Eastern and African ancestry.

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12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

That makes you a Zionist ,

Zionists believe in Israel's right to exist as a Country .

Welcome aboard .

That reply is misleading and intellectually dishonest.
You conveniently ignored half of what I actually said.

My statement was not simply about Israel’s right to exist. I explicitly said I support Israel’s right to exist side by side with a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state. You ignored that entire part because it does not fit the narrative you want to impose.

You know very well that Zionists support Israel’s existence while rejecting a genuinely sovereign Palestinian state or denying Palestinians equal rights to self-determination. That is precisely why your attempt to label me “welcome aboard” is inaccurate.

Supporting the right of both Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace, dignity, and security does not automatically make someone a Zionist. It makes them consistent.

So no, “welcome aboard” does not apply. I do not align myself with any racist, inhumane or criminal ideology that supports unequal rights or denies another people full self-determination.
Whether you like it or not, it is only a matter of time before Palestine is free from Israeli occupation, injustice, and oppression.

19 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Calling me a “fellow Zionist” is an insult and a complete misrepresentation of my views. I do not condone, support, or align myself with Zionism as a political ideology. My position is clear: I support Israel’s right to exist in peace and security, side by side with a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state, with equal rights, dignity, and self-determination for Palestinians.

You also know very well that many who advocate Zionism reject full Palestinian sovereignty or equal national rights for Palestinians. So stop pretending my position and yours are the same — they are not.

19 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Calling me a “fellow Zionist” is an insult and a complete misrepresentation of my views. I do not condone, support, or align myself with Zionism as a political ideology. My position is clear: I support Israel’s right to exist in peace and security, side by side with a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state, with equal rights, dignity, and self-determination for Palestinians.

You also know very well that many who advocate Zionism reject full Palestinian sovereignty or equal national rights for Palestinians. So stop pretending my position and yours are the same — they are not.

19 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Calling me a “fellow Zionist” is an insult and a complete misrepresentation of my views. I do not condone, support, or align myself with Zionism as a political ideology. My position is clear: I support Israel’s right to exist in peace and security, side by side with a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state, with equal rights, dignity, and self-determination for Palestinians.

You also know very well that many who advocate Zionism reject full Palestinian sovereignty or equal national rights for Palestinians. So stop pretending my position and yours are the same — they are not.

No, you're a Zionist.

You just don't know the definition of Zionist.

Anyone that says they support the right of Israel to exist in security is a Zionist.

You're confused to think Zionism means support of right wing Israeli government policies.

Supporting sovereignty for the Palestinians as well as the Israelis (as I do agree with you) in no way whatsover negates your Zionist POV.

Calling someone a Zionist is not an insult any more than calling someone a patriotic Thai would be.

Nothing wrong with any nationals supporting the right of their own country to exist, defend itself, and have political self determination which at its core is the meaning of the political ideology of Zionism.

Those who are against national sovereignty for the Jewish people and also support that for every other country in the world "anti Zionists" are singling out Jews for not being worthy of that which is why many people including me see anti-Zionist as racist Jew hatred. If a person said Arabs shouldn't be allowed to have nation states and political self determination we would correctly call that person an Arab hating racist.

Edited May 20May 20 by Jingthing

45 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

From Britania et al:

The Term "Antisemitism"

The related term "antisemitism" was coined in the late 19th century in Europe as a pseudo-scientific, racialized way to refer to hatred of Jewish people. Consequently, "Semite" is sometimes incorrectly conflated solely with Jewish people, although, linguistically, it encompasses various groups of Middle Eastern and African ancestry.

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@ronnie50 Where does the text you posted come from? You labeled it "From Britania (sic) et al:" but the link you gave doesn't go to the Encyclopedia Britannica. What is the direct source of that text?

41 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No, you're a Zionist.

You just don't know the definition of Zionist.

Anyone that says they support the right of Israel to exist in security is a Zionist.

You're confused to think Zionism means support of right wing Israeli government policies.

Supporting sovereignty for the Palestinians as well as the Israelis (as I do agree with you) in no way whatsover negates your Zionist POV.

Calling someone a Zionist is not an insult any more than calling someone a patriotic Thai would be.

Nothing wrong with any nationals supporting the right of their own country to exist, defend itself, and have political self determination which at its core is the meaning of the political ideology of Zionism.

Those who are against national sovereignty for the Jewish people and also support that for every other country in the world "anti Zionists" are singling out Jews for not being worthy of that which is why many people including me see anti-Zionist as racist Jew hatred. If a person said Arabs shouldn't be allowed to have nation states and political self determination we would correctly call that person an Arab hating racist.

@Danny Australia is not a Zionist.

He does not think that Israel has a right to exist in its current form and I share that view.

I believe Israel has to share the land with the Palestinians and has a right to exist when it has.

This entire thread is dishonest.

It's not "Jew hatred is more fashionable".

This is a more accurate way to phrase it:

Fewer Americans are supportive of Israel.

3 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

It's not "Jew hatred is more fashionable".

This is a more accurate way to phrase it:

Fewer Americans are supportive of Israel.

I think it more accurate to say, the abusive nature of the Israel/US relationship is now being openly and widely discussed.

More Americans are aware of the toxicity of Israeli influence over U.S. politics, military and foreign policy.

Discussion of these things within the media is no longer career ending as it was until very recently.

The cat is out of the bag.

Edited May 20May 20 by Chomper Higgot

This guy's name is Jay Shapiro. Sounds like a Jewish name.

This guy has a different take on Zionism that I've never heard before.

Zionism was birthed in Europe.

Zionism was not about creating a new state. It was about creating a new kind of Jew.

And he claims .... Zionism has become an insatiable, blood-thirsty, dark monster.

Holocaust survivors were looked down upon by the New Zionist Jew. Holocaust survivors were meek and sheep to the slaughter. The “new Jew” ideal—strong, militant, and uncompromising—emerged in direct opposition to the image of the survivor, producing a culture in which moral ambiguity was increasingly rejected.

2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

@ronnie50 Where does the text you posted come from? You labeled it "From Britania (sic) et al:" but the link you gave doesn't go to the Encyclopedia Britannica. What is the direct source of that text?

2 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

@ronnie50 Where does the text you posted come from? You labeled it "From Britania (sic) et al:" but the link you gave doesn't go to the Encyclopedia Britannica. What is the direct source of that text?

I don't know the source of the link - it was AI generated. I looked at Britannica site directly and couldn't find that language either. AI often confuses things from different sites. In any case, I'd agree antisemitism refers to discrimination aimed at Jews, though semitic does have broader references in some texts (e.g. the word not necessarily relating to discrimination or hatred)

Zionism, Anti-Zionism, Semites, Antisemites, Hasbara all words associated with the State of Israel, invented by Jewish people to further the case that Israel is a moral and just State for all Jews, because they once lived in the Levant, 2,000 years ago, during which time they were expelled by all and sundry:

586 BCE (The Babylonian Exile): The Neo-Babylonian Empire under Nebuchadnezzar II besieged Jerusalem, destroyed the First Temple, and exiled the elite and a large portion of the Jewish population to Babylonia.

70 CE (The Roman Expulsion): Following the First Jewish-Roman War, the Roman Empire destroyed the Second Temple in Jerusalem and slaughtered or enslaved many. The subsequent suppression of the Bar Kokhba Revolt in 135 CE resulted in the Roman Emperor Hadrian banning Jews from Jerusalem and the immediate surrounding districts.

429 CE (Byzantine Era): Following various decrees and rebellions, the Byzantine Empire officially abolished the Jewish patriarchate and severely restricted the community, pushing many to flee the region.

614–629 CE (Sasanian and Byzantine Rule): During the brief Persian Sasanian conquest of Jerusalem and the ensuing Byzantine reconquest, the remaining Jewish population suffered massacres, enslavement, and targeted expulsion from Jerusalem

The 20th Century Exodus: While not an expulsion strictly from the Levant (but rather the broader region), a pivotal related event occurred after the 1948 establishment of the State of Israel.

All the above information I gathered from Goggle, now what can we take from this information, could it be that the Ethnoreligious people known as Jews have never been popular while they lived in the area, yet they are here, still disliked, still fighting for their rights, by denying the people who actually live there any rights except what they deem necessary, and all against International Laws.

Now back to the topic in hand, why Jew hatred has become fashionable especially among young people?

Could it be that Israel has lost the majority of the World through Social Media, even in their most powerful allies country the USA.

Discuss?

Edited May 20May 20 by Jeff the Chef

3 hours ago, Danny Australia said:

That reply is misleading and intellectually dishonest.
You conveniently ignored half of what I actually said.

My statement was not simply about Israel’s right to exist. I explicitly said I support Israel’s right to exist side by side with a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state. You ignored that entire part because it does not fit the narrative you want to impose.

You know very well that Zionists support Israel’s existence while rejecting a genuinely sovereign Palestinian state or denying Palestinians equal rights to self-determination. That is precisely why your attempt to label me “welcome aboard” is inaccurate.

Supporting the right of both Israelis and Palestinians to live in peace, dignity, and security does not automatically make someone a Zionist. It makes them consistent.

So no, “welcome aboard” does not apply. I do not align myself with any racist, inhumane or criminal ideology that supports unequal rights or denies another people full self-determination.
Whether you like it or not, it is only a matter of time before Palestine is free from Israeli occupation, injustice, and oppression.

OK, I will leave your post full an not delete anything (to save space .)

A Zionist is :

"A Zionist is an individual who supports the belief that Jewish people have the right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland, Israel. It is a movement and ideology aimed at the development, protection, and support of the State of Israel as a Jewish homeland, originally emerging in the late 19th century"

There you go, you agree with the above .

The actual borders are a sub topic .

(BTW, Jews have more rights to live on the land of Israel than you do to live on the land of Australia )

14 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The fact remains that the Quran does not have one reference to Palestinian Arabs or Palestine, but has multiple references to Israel.

My point is that none of the religious texts -- Quran, Bible, Torah should be used for geopolitical decisions.

If the history in those texts is accurate, that's fair game and can be used to try to decipher the situation.

But you used the word "command". Those books should not be commanding anything.

Intelligent people with decency should be commanding.

54 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Zionism, Anti-Zionism, Semites, Antisemites, Hasbara all words associated with the State of Israel, invented by Jewish people to further the case that Israel is a moral and just State for all Jews, because they once lived in the Levant, 2,000 years ago, during which time they were expelled by all and sundry:

586 BCE (The Babylonian Exile): The Neo-Babylonian Empire under Nebuchadnezzar II besieged Jerusalem, destroyed the First Temple, and exiled the elite and a large portion of the Jewish population to Babylonia.

70 CE (The Roman Expulsion): Following the First Jewish-Roman War, the Roman Empire destroyed the Second Temple in Jerusalem and slaughtered or enslaved many. The subsequent suppression of the Bar Kokhba Revolt in 135 CE resulted in the Roman Emperor Hadrian banning Jews from Jerusalem and the immediate surrounding districts.

429 CE (Byzantine Era): Following various decrees and rebellions, the Byzantine Empire officially abolished the Jewish patriarchate and severely restricted the community, pushing many to flee the region.

614–629 CE (Sasanian and Byzantine Rule): During the brief Persian Sasanian conquest of Jerusalem and the ensuing Byzantine reconquest, the remaining Jewish population suffered massacres, enslavement, and targeted expulsion from Jerusalem

The 20th Century Exodus: While not an expulsion strictly from the Levant (but rather the broader region), a pivotal related event occurred after the 1948 establishment of the State of Israel.

All the above information I gathered from Goggle, now what can we take from this information, could it be that the Ethnoreligious people known as Jews have never been popular while they lived in the area, yet they are here, still disliked, still fighting for their rights, by denying the people who actually live there any rights except what they deem necessary, and all against International Laws.

Now back to the topic in hand, why Jew hatred has become fashionable especially among young people?

Could it be that Israel has lost the majority of the World through Social Media, even in their most powerful allies country the USA.

Discuss?

Oh no!

Words assassinated with Jews!

Words associated with Israel!

Must be very traumatic for you.

36 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

OK, I will leave your post full an not delete anything (to save space .)

A Zionist is :

"A Zionist is an individual who supports the belief that Jewish people have the right to self-determination in their ancestral homeland, Israel. It is a movement and ideology aimed at the development, protection, and support of the State of Israel as a Jewish homeland, originally emerging in the late 19th century"

There you go, you agree with the above .

The actual borders are a sub topic .

(BTW, Jews have more rights to live on the land of Israel than you do to live on the land of Australia )

Absolutely.

He's a Zionist whether he knows it or likes it or not.

4 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

@Danny Australia is not a Zionist.

He does not think that Israel has a right to exist in its current form and I share that view.

I believe Israel has to share the land with the Palestinians and has a right to exist when it has.

Another one that doesn't know the definition.of Zionism. Nothing to do with supporting the policies of any Israeli government. You're confused.

15 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Are you OK with Ashkenazi Jews living on American Indian land in NYC ?

After the American Indians got killed ?

You are neglecting one issue.

Reparations have been made to Native tribes, to whatever extent.

Not going to argue if it makes up for the damage, but are you arguing that it's ok to displace people with no penalty?

Here is one example of a settlement.

Theft is theft and the people stolen from will at some point come back looking for compensation of some form.

16 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

You are neglecting one issue.

Reparations have been made to Native tribes, to whatever extent.

Not going to argue if it makes up for the damage, but are you arguing that it's ok to displace people with no penalty?

Here is one example of a settlement.

Theft is theft and the people stolen from will at some point come back looking for compensation of some form.

Moreover, all Americans have equity in citizenship and all the rights of citizenship.

52 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Oh no!

Words assassinated with Jews!

Words associated with Israel!

Must be very traumatic for you.

Not in the slightest, obviously a problem for you though.

pro palestine protestors take a beatdown from dutch police

6 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I think it more accurate to say, the abusive nature of the Israel/US relationship is now being openly and widely discussed.

More Americans are aware of the toxicity of Israeli influence over U.S. politics, military and foreign policy.

Discussion of these things within the media is no longer career ending as it was until very recently.

The cat is out of the bag.

Straw Man Garbage.

The topic isn't about legit criticism of Israel, the US looking critically at Israel foreign policy.

It's about RACIST JEW HATING.
When Jewish people are attacked in person or insulted online just because they are Jews.

There has been a massive spike in that internationally.

If you don't care about that, fine that's your right.

If you support that, fine, that's also your right.

But stop lying and play acting that it isn't happening.

I'm not young and I've never seen anything like it.

The scum attacking Jewish people are not asking if the Jews they're attacking are religious, are pro Zionist. are pro Netanyahu, or anything like that.

It's nothing about that. It's simply about Jews. That is Racist Jew Hatred and there is an epidemic of that now globally.

AJC: Antisemitism Has Become Part of American Jews’ Daily Life | AJC

www.ajc.org/news/ajc-antisemitism-has-become-part-of-american-jews-daily-life

Two Years After October 7th Massacre, Global Proliferation of Jew-Hatred Reaches New Crisis Levels, CAM Data Shows | Combat Antisemitism Movement

www.combatantisemitism.org/studies-reports/two-years-after-october-7th-massacre-global-proliferation-of-jew-hatred-reaches-new-crisis-levels-cam-data-shows/

Two Years After October 7th Massacre, Global Proliferation of Jew-Hatred Reaches New Crisis Levels, CAM Data Shows

Two years after Hamas’s barbaric October 7 massacre in Israel, a new global report by the Combat Antisemitism Movement (CAM) confirms that antisemitic incidents have not declined, they have intensified, spreading across borders and into the mainstream.

What began as a surge of hatred in the hours and days following the massacre has evolved into a sustained global epidemic. Over the past two years, antisemitism has become deadly, including in Washington, D.C., Boulder, Colorado, and, most recently, Manchester, England. Hatred of Jews, once the obsession of the fringes, has transformed into a public, normalized force endangering Jews around the world and the societies they live in.

Jewish communities across all regions now face intensifying threats to their safety and freedom, from violent attacks and vandalism to intimidation, harassment, and the denial of their right to live and worship without fear.

Edited May 20May 20 by Jingthing

If anyone is familiar with Osho, he's a bit of freak. His way of thinking is way out there.

And this is probably too deep for most people, but his crazy conspiracy may not be far off the mark.

The most shocking phrase he makes is "The US has destroyed more Jews than Hitler".

So here is the conspiracy to put his thoughts into perspective.

America played the ugliest politics that you can conceive of.

America (and Britain) conspired to create the Jewish state of Israel, but they knew this would cause problems for the Jews forever and ever. But Jews thought America and Britain are helping them because they have wanted a homeland for centuries.

But American politicians knew that rich Jewish lobbyists would donate millions for the elections in exchange for support of Israel. Also, the military gains because Israel has to buy arms from the Pentagon. And American Jews have to continuously donate millions of dollars for the survival of Israel.

The US knew it would create a continuous situation that would go on forever.

And ... the US can withdraw support for Israel at any time and collapse Israel.

That would be the ultimate betrayal and prove that they were just using the Jewish people to enrich themselves and never really cared about them having their own state?

So maybe the Jewish people are the most betrayed people in the history of the world?

Edited May 20May 20 by save the frogs

8 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

@Danny Australia is not a Zionist.

He does not think that Israel has a right to exist in its current form and I share that view.

I believe Israel has to share the land with the Palestinians and has a right to exist when it has.

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Another one that doesn't know the definition.of Zionism. Nothing to do with supporting the policies of any Israeli government. You're confused.

Today, Zionism generally refers to support for Israel’s existence as the Jewish nation-state, including its right to self-defense and the connection between the Jewish people and their ancestral homeland.

We just told you that we don’t support that currently until such time as the land is shared with Palestinians.

It is you that doesn’t understand. We cannot be Zionists as we don’t support Israel’s right to exist (currently).

Before you say under IHRA that is antisemitism, it is NOT under JDA or Nexus definitions of antisemitism.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Straw Man Garbage.

The topic isn't about legit criticism of Israel, the US looking critically at Israel foreign policy.

It's about RACIST JEW HATING.
When Jewish people are attacked in person or insulted online just because they are Jews.

There has been a massive spike in that internationally.

If you don't care about that, fine that's your right.

If you support that, fine, that's also your right.

But stop lying and play acting that it isn't happening.

I'm not young and I've never seen anything like it.

The scum attacking Jewish people are not asking if the Jews they're attacking are religious, are pro Zionist. are pro Netanyahu, or anything like that.

It's nothing about that. It's simply about Jews. That is Racist Jew Hatred and there is an epidemic of that now globally.

AJC: Antisemitism Has Become Part of American Jews’ Daily Life | AJC

www.ajc.org/news/ajc-antisemitism-has-become-part-of-american-jews-daily-life

Two Years After October 7th Massacre, Global Proliferation of Jew-Hatred Reaches New Crisis Levels, CAM Data Shows | Combat Antisemitism Movement

www.combatantisemitism.org/studies-reports/two-years-after-october-7th-massacre-global-proliferation-of-jew-hatred-reaches-new-crisis-levels-cam-data-shows/

Two Years After October 7th Massacre, Global Proliferation of Jew-Hatred Reaches New Crisis Levels, CAM Data Shows

Two years after Hamas’s barbaric October 7 massacre in Israel, a new global report by the Combat Antisemitism Movement (CAM) confirms that antisemitic incidents have not declined, they have intensified, spreading across borders and into the mainstream.

What began as a surge of hatred in the hours and days following the massacre has evolved into a sustained global epidemic. Over the past two years, antisemitism has become deadly, including in Washington, D.C., Boulder, Colorado, and, most recently, Manchester, England. Hatred of Jews, once the obsession of the fringes, has transformed into a public, normalized force endangering Jews around the world and the societies they live in.

Jewish communities across all regions now face intensifying threats to their safety and freedom, from violent attacks and vandalism to intimidation, harassment, and the denial of their right to live and worship without fear.

Hogwash and the strawman you referred to.

I have never supported Jews or anyone else being attacked, so cut that garbage too.

26 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

Today, Zionism generally refers to support for Israel’s existence as the Jewish nation-state, including its right to self-defense and the connection between the Jewish people and their ancestral homeland.

We just told you that we don’t support that currently until such time as the land is shared with Palestinians.

It is you that doesn’t understand. We cannot be Zionists as we don’t support Israel’s right to exist (currently).

Before you say under IHRA that is antisemitism, it is NOT under JDA or Nexus definitions of antisemitism.

Don't order me on what I can say or not.

I get it that you're virtue signaling towards Palestinian Arabs. Why not ? It's the fashion of the day along with the designer keffiyeh at the Queers for Hamas and Iran regime rallies.

What's not to like? It's fun!

If you're not young at least the young will think you're cool.

No mention that they're not interested in sharing the land one state or two.states.

They want all the Jews gone.

That's pro genocide of Jews.

No that's not racist Jew hatred. Sure thing.

Edited May 20May 20 by Jingthing

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hogwash and the strawman you referred to.

I have never supported Jews or anyone else being attacked, so cut that garbage too.

10 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Hogwash and the strawman you referred to.

I have never supported Jews or anyone else being attacked, so cut that garbage too.

Yet on a topic about racist Jew hatred you.want to talk about criticism of Israel instead.

Fashion or the young don't believe in the media run narrative anymore.

2 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

Fashion or the young don't believe in the media run narrative anymore.

2 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

Fashion or the young don't believe in the media run narrative anymore.

Following the racist Jew hating tik tok feeds doesn’t make them deep critical independent thinkers.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Don't order me on what I can say or not.

Or what?

You’re an extraordinarily angry person, it shines through your posts.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Yet on a topic about racist Jew hatred you.want to talk about criticism of Israel instead.

Where Criticism of Israel’s actions is falsely portrayed as Jew hatred.

And you’ve yet to demonstrate your assertion of Jew hatred being a ‘fashion’.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Following the racist Jew hating tik tok feeds doesn’t make them deep critical independent thinkers.

Because of course young people can’t think for themselves.