1 minute ago, Danny Australia said:

Unlike some pro-Israel supporters who uncritically defend every action of the Israeli government, I support Israel’s right to exist in peace and security, side by side with a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state.

That makes you a Zionist ,

Zionists believe in Israel's right to exist as a Country .

Welcome aboard .

22 minutes ago, Danny Australia said:

Unlike some pro-Israel supporters who uncritically defend every action of the Israeli government, I support Israel’s right to exist in peace and security, side by side with a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state. I believe both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to live in safety, dignity, peace, and self-determination. Criticizing government policies is not the same as hatred toward a people or religion, and there must be a clear distinction between support for peace and blind political allegiance.

Good post, fellow Zionist.

1 hour ago, ronnie50 said:

Yes, Israelis, and Jews in general, seems to think only Jews are semites.

A very ignorant post but I get it, you share that with a lot of people.

Semites are NOT a people.

Semites as a term for people is COMPLETELY OBSELETE.

The term anti-semitism which for weird historical reasons developed to mean hatred of Jew specifically (and only Jews).

Racist Jew haters twist that to attack Jews as claiming exclusive ownership of being semites so the more modern and RAPIDLY DEVELOPING trend is for the phrase RACIST JEW HATRED to replace the very obsolete and flawed word antisemtism

You can say just JEW HATRED if you wish.

I suggest everyone drop the semite thing entirely as it is OBSOLETE.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If you are setting up the arguments for Israel being an ethno-state you might first want to check what the DNA science has to say about the inhabitants of Palestine and Israel:

“The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times.

Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times.”

Time to extend the right to return to Palestinians, there’s no DNA evidence to exclude them, which only leaves the justification based on apartheid under an ethno-state.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/

Straw Man Garbage but in this case against my better judgement I will reply to your inflammatory post. Partly because hilariously and wonderfully, you made a great argument FOR Zionism with it so I can't resist.

YOU said ethnostate.

I didn't say ethnostate.

The origins of the political ideology of Zionism is that the Jewish PEOPLE (which includes non-religious Jews) need to have their own nation state like so many other peoples to have their own self determination in response to thousands of years of persecution in the diaspora. Not just the holocaust -- THOUSANDS of years.

The state of Israel does not use DNA to determine Jewish peoplehood.

Israel is the one and only (tiny) mainly Jewish nation in the world and it is proudly and unapologetically (nothing to apologize for) a Zionist state. Of course it includes about 20 percent minorities, Arabs, Druze. etc.

I'm not going to be baited into going deep into genetics as ethical genetic scientists hate that their work is distorted for political purposes of any kind, but I will go so far as to agree that Jews and Arabs are cousins. Along with Italians which many people don't know. But wait -- there are already several Arab dominated nations that exist (some are ethnostates) so what is the dire need for another Arab nation? Israel on the other hand, being the one and only (tiny) Jewish state in the world has a very strong case for the need to exist. But that argument is over, it does exist, most of the Israeli Jews were born there, and they're not going anywhere unless you're River to the Sea and want to massacre them. Back to Italians, arguably based on your DNA fixation when it suits you, could say they have a claim to Israel, but there is no need as they have Italy (and Italy isn't chopped liver).

Speaking of ethnostates, Thailand (overwhelmingly ethnic Thai) and even more so Japan have elements of ethnostates. I don't see the "anti-Zionists" trying to say Japan and Thailand should have never existed. Only Israel gets their "anti" attention that way. Now why is that exactly? It's no mystery -- it's about Jews.

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1 hour ago, johng said:

Palestinians are among the original semites.

So?

Semite is no longer a useful word to refer to people. Just stop it.

Semites are considered an obsolete term for an ethnic, cultural, or racial group that was once used to describe various peoples of the Middle East and the Horn of Africa, but it is now largely confined to linguistic contexts. The term has been criticized for its racial implications and is not commonly used to define a distinct people today. (wiki)

9 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

So?

So? So it means semites killing semites cannot be genocide.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Straw Man Garbage but in this case against my better judgement I will reply to your inflammatory post. Partly because hilariously and wonderfully, you made a great argument FOR Zionism with it so I can't resist.

YOU said ethnostate.

I didn't say ethnostate.

The origins of the political ideology of Zionism is that the Jewish PEOPLE (which includes non-religious Jews) need to have their own nation state like so many other peoples to have their own self determination in response to thousands of years of persecution in the diaspora. Not just the holocaust -- THOUSANDS of years.

The state of Israel does not use DNA to determine Jewish peoplehood.

Israel is the one and only (tiny) mainly Jewish nation in the world and it is proudly and unapologetically (nothing to apologize for) a Zionist state. Of course it includes about 20 percent minorities, Arabs, Druze. etc.

I'm not going to be baited into going deep into genetics as ethical genetic scientists hate that their work is distorted for political purposes of any kind, but I will go so far as to agree that Jews and Arabs are cousins. Along with Italians which many people don't know. But wait -- there are already several Arab dominated nations that exist (some are ethnostates) so what is the dire need for another Arab nation? Israel on the other hand, being the one and only (tiny) Jewish state in the world has a very strong case for the need to exist. But that argument is over, it does exist, most of the Israeli Jews were born there, and they're not going anywhere unless you're River to the Sea and want to massacre them. Back to Italians, arguably based on your DNA fixation when it suits you, could say they have a claim to Israel, but there is no need as they have Italy (and Italy isn't chopped liver).

Speaking of ethnostates, Thailand (overwhelmingly ethnic Thai) and even more so Japan have elements of ethnostates. I don't see the "anti-Zionists" trying to say Japan and Thailand should have never existed. Only Israel gets their "anti" attention that way. Now why is that exactly? It's no mystery -- it's about Jews.

Jews will always have a State, it is wherever Country they were born and registered, the fact that an individual at birth is registered as Jewish by religion by the parents makes them citizens of their Country of birth, religion is irrelevant, anybody can change their religion when they become adults.

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Jews will always have a State, it is wherever Country they were born and registered, the fact that an individual at birth is registered as Jewish by religion by the parents makes them citizens of their Country of birth, religion is irrelevant, anybody can change their religion when they become adults.

Another one that denies the realty that Jewish is BOTH a religion and a people.

A Jewish person is a Jewish person in the tribal sense (born to a Jewish mother) for life whether following the faith or not.

It is NOT the same as the other major world religions. Does that make you hate Jews, that they are different?

Sounds like you're arguing Israel should have never existed.

Too bad, too late, it does exist.

Now that it does exist, if you're arguing it should stop to exist. that's basically a pro genocide of Jews POV as Israeli Jews for the most part aren't going anywhere. Israel is their home.

A personal anecdote. I was eating in an Israeli restaurant in Pattaya attached to a synagogue. I was approached to join the service as they needed one more Jewish male to make minyan (google it if you don't know). As I'm an atheist that made me uncomfortable, so I said, I'm not religious, and the guy asked do you have a Jewish mothers, yes, so dragged me in.

Edited May 19May 19 by Jingthing

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Another one that denies the realty that Jewish is BOTH a religion and a people.

A Jewish person is a Jewish person for life whether following the faith or not.

Apart from @spidermike007

Some days hes Jewish and other days he isn't

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Apart from @spidermike007

Some days hes Jewish and other days he isn't

There's a reason for that which I'm too polite to point it.

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

There's a reason for that which I'm too polite to point it.

You think he is a hypocritical, obsessed troll that just plagiarizes every Trump obsessive on the internet?

Thats not nice.

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Another one that denies the realty that Jewish is BOTH a religion and a people.

A Jewish person is a Jewish person for life whether following the faith or not.

It is NOT the same as the other major world religions. Does that make you hate Jews, that they are different?

Sounds like you're arguing Israel should have never existed.

Too bad, too late, it does exist.

Now that it does exist, if you're arguing it should stop to exist. that's basically a pro genocide of Jews POV as Israeli Jews for the most part aren't going anywhere. Israel is their home.

This is your problem, you think to much.

Where in that post did I deny a Jewish person, when born is not a Human Being, or a follower of a religion, or that I hate Jews?

Yes, I know Israel exists, by decree of the United Nations, since 1948.

My problem with the Israeli State that through the good graces of the UN, which gave them an area of the Middle East to live peacefully in with the indigenous Arabs fail to abide by the rules of International Law, through illegal conduct that they have pursued from their inception.

2 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

This is your problem, you think to much.

Where in that post did I deny a Jewish person, when born is not a Human Being, or a follower of a religion, or that I hate Jews?

Yes, I know Israel exists, by decree of the United Nations, since 1948.

My problem with the Israeli State that through the good graces of the UN, which gave them an area of the Middle East to live peacefully in with the indigenous Arabs fail to abide by the rules of International Law, through illegal conduct that they have pursued from their inception.

You mean pursued since "Palestine" and the other Arab states tried to eradicate them, yes?

Why do you never speak of the war crimes committed by Palestine? What has, or is being done about those war crimes?

My mother was Catholic and my father Jewish. His family demanded my mother convert before allowing the marriage.

My grandmother strongly opposed it. She was the one with the money and the manor.

The marriage took place nonetheless. Not for long, though, my father abandoned us two years after the wedding. There were two of us children.

My brother and I were educated at a Christian boarding school, without any conflict with other religions. The good priests primarily welcomed Christian children, of course, but also Jewish and other Muslim children whose parents wished for adherence to dietary laws.

Happy years, free from sectarian hostility.

All this to say that the current situation in the Middle East seems to me to be a tremendous regression, and I don't understand the belligerent attitude of both sides, which is leading to a fierce hatred that may never die out.

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Another one that denies the realty that Jewish is BOTH a religion and a people.

A Jewish person is a Jewish person in the tribal sense (born to a Jewish mother) for life whether following the faith or not.

It is NOT the same as the other major world religions. Does that make you hate Jews, that they are different?

Sounds like you're arguing Israel should have never existed.

But your team conveniently neglected my earlier point - that there are different categories of Jewish people.

The only ones with ancestral ties to the land are Mizrahi Jews and maybe some of the Sephardic.

And modern Palestinians also have ancestral ties to the land.

But your team seems to be arguing that it's ok for an Ashkenazi Jew who settled in NYC can go there and kick off Palestinians from the land because they fall under the umbrella of Jew. I don't.

Edited May 19May 19 by save the frogs

2 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

But your team conveniently neglected my earlier point - that there are different categories of Jewish people.

But your team seems to be arguing that it's ok for an Ashkenazi Jew who settled in NYC can go there and kick off Palestinians from the land because they fall under the umbrella of Jew. I don't.

Are you OK with Ashkenazi Jews living on American Indian land in NYC ?

After the American Indians got killed ?

45 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

This is your problem, you think to much.

Where in that post did I deny a Jewish person, when born is not a Human Being, or a follower of a religion, or that I hate Jews?

Yes, I know Israel exists, by decree of the United Nations, since 1948.

My problem with the Israeli State that through the good graces of the UN, which gave them an area of the Middle East to live peacefully in with the indigenous Arabs fail to abide by the rules of International Law, through illegal conduct that they have pursued from their inception.

Your problem.

You just denied again Jews as a people.

Bizarre.

The entire Arab world attacked Israel the moment it was founded yet ignorantly and hatefully you blame only the Jews.

Indigenous Arabs who colonized the area long after Jews yet you obnoxiously imply that Jews are not Indigenous to Israel.

The archeology proves they are.

You're not fooling anybody.

Edited May 19May 19 by Jingthing

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

You mean pursued since "Palestine" and the other Arab states tried to eradicate them, yes?

Why do you never speak of the war crimes committed by Palestine? What has, or is being done about those war crimes?

There is a State of Israel, declared in 1948, the fact that the population of that Israeli state carried out mass displacement, dispossession, and ethnic cleansing of roughly 750,000 Palestinians during and after the 1948 Arab-Israeli war, resulted in the destruction of over 500 villages and defined the modern Palestinian refugee crisis.

Do we forget that in November 1947, the UN adopted Resolution 181, which proposed dividing British-mandated Palestine into separate Arab and Jewish states, with Jerusalem under international administration. Palestinian and Arab leaders rejected the plan, citing that it favoured the Jewish minority and violated the UN Charter.

Palestinians view this period as a deliberate and systematic campaign of ethnic cleansing intended to secure a Jewish-majority state. They emphasize that the displacement and destruction of their society were unprovoked attacks against indigenous civilians. 80 years on and we are still seeing the same thing.

Israeli perspectives generally maintain that the displacement was an unfortunate but unavoidable consequence of war. Historians from this perspective often argue that the refugee crisis was caused by the Arab rejection of the 1947 UN Partition Plan and the subsequent launching of the 1948 war by neighbouring Arab states.

Unfortunately the Palestinians cried enough on the 7th.

Over 500 Palestinian villages, towns, and cities were depopulated and destroyed or repopulated by Israelis. Millions of acres of land were taken, and a massive amount of Palestinian property, books, and cultural heritage was seized, and it's still going on, but that's OK because Israel is a "State with the morals of a Whore.

Let's not forget the Six day War of 1967, started by Israel, yet more consolidation of land at the expense of the rest of the region, when will it end?

Never in my opinion, or it will when the Israeli's get some morals, and a Humanitarian Government.

People are talking about teams, how are the teams divided, and how many teams are there?

I believe the government of Israel is morally superior to the government of Palestine.

I believe the Israeli military is morally superior to the Palestinian military

I believe Israel treats prisoners or war better than Palestine

I believe Israel attempts to minimize civilian deaths, while Palestine attempts to maximize civilian deaths

I believe Israelis are disgusted and ashamed when their servicemen rape and murder

I believe Palestinians are proud and celebrate when their servicemen rape and murder

13 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Are you OK with Ashkenazi Jews living on American Indian land in NYC ?

After the American Indians got killed ?

We weren't there debating the genocide of American Indians in real time on internet forums to try to intervene. This situation is happening in real time.

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Apart from @spidermike007

Some days hes Jewish and other days he isn't

You seem utterly incapable of letting this one go, nor are you able to make a distinction between somebody who admits to being Jewish by birth and ethnicity, and yet is a non-practicing Jew. There's something about that that seems to create some dissonance in your mind.

In addition I think you have a hard time comprehending the possibility that a person born into the Jewish faith could be opposed to extremist Israeli policy.

2 hours ago, johng said:

Yes you got that right the difference being 'anti' only if criticizing a

certain section of semites while genocide of other semites by semites is not anti ??? yeah I'm a bit confused 😟

The origin of the word "antisemitism" and its derivatives (antisemitic, antisemite) has been explained at least 10 times on AN. But since you are confused, I'm happy to explain it again.

For the second time in this thread alone:

On 5/16/2026 at 2:14 AM, Evil Penevil said:

The word "anti-Semitism" or "antisemitism" entered the English language in 1881 from the German Antisemitismus, which had been coined by Wilhelm Marr, a German journalist and agitator who thought it sounded more scientific and academic than the older Judenhaß  ("Jew hatred").  Marr himself is regarded as the "father of modern antisemitism,"  although he apparently renounced his anti-Jewish beliefs as an old man.  

https://njop.org/the-origin-of-word-anti-semitism/

The Encyclopedia Britannica has the same explanation for the origin of antisemitism: https://www.britannica.com/topic/antisemitism

I wish I could write "Once and for all, antisemitism only refers to hatred of Jews. It has never referred to Arabs or other ethnic groups that speak a Semitic language." But that's a futile hope. Some members on AN have extremely long learning curves.

And to reinforce what @Nick Carter icp wrote in a recent post, here's what the Encyclopedia Britannica says about the word "Semite:"

Semite, obsolete term, popularized in the 19th century, that originally described a member of any people who speak one of the Semitic languages, a family of languages that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and Tigrinya, among others. The term was later used in an ethnic sense, even though there has never been a shared Semitic identity among Semitic-speaking peoples. When used in that sense, Semite often referred specifically to people of Jewish origin, regardless of what language they spoke, a reflection of the antisemitism that was concurrent in 19th-century Europe. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite

If anyone has a source as authoritative as the Encyclopedia Britannica that gives a different explanation for the origin of the word "antisemitism" and the correct use of "Semite," please, please, PLEASE post it here.

I get to throw down another gauntlet! 😃 I bet no one will pick this one up, either. 🤣🤣🤣

Edited May 19May 19 by Evil Penevil

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

It's debatable how reliable and authoritative these religious texts actually are or should be.

There's probably so much cuckoo for cocoa puffs in these religious texts that we should dismiss whatever it "commands" and use common sense instead.

Do you believe that Jesus was 1) The King of the Jews and 2) God ?

I don't.

Westerners who are ignorant of Islam question the reliability and authority of the Quran. The reality is that the teachings contained within set out the system and precepts that all muslims must obey and live by. It also sets out the place of the Jew in Israel. Your attempt to interject and co-mingle Christianity into Islam is typical of arrogant westerners. A Muslim will refer to the Quran for guidance, not the Bible as written by Europeans. The fact remains that the Quran does not have one reference to Palestinian Arabs or Palestine, but has multiple references to Israel. The presence of Arabs identifying as Palestinian is relatively recent, and in large part a legacy of the European occupation of much of greater Arabia and Israel.

48 minutes ago, Evil Penevil said:

The origin of the word "antisemitism" and its derivatives (antisemitic, antisemite) has been explained at least 10 times on AN. But since you are confused, I'm happy to explain it again.

For the second time in this thread alone:

The Encyclopedia Britannica has the same explanation for the origin of antisemitism: https://www.britannica.com/topic/antisemitism

I wish I could write "Once and for all, antisemitism only refers to hatred of Jews. It has never referred to Arabs or other ethnic groups that speak a Semitic language." But that's a futile hope. Some members on AN have extremely long learning curves.

And to reinforce what @Nick Carter icp wrote in a recent post, here's what the Encyclopedia Britannica says about the word "Semite:"

Semite, obsolete term, popularized in the 19th century, that originally described a member of any people who speak one of the Semitic languages, a family of languages that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic, Aramaic, and Tigrinya, among others. The term was later used in an ethnic sense, even though there has never been a shared Semitic identity among Semitic-speaking peoples. When used in that sense, Semite often referred specifically to people of Jewish origin, regardless of what language they spoke, a reflection of the antisemitism that was concurrent in 19th-century Europe. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Semite

If anyone has a source as authoritative as the Encyclopedia Britannica that gives a different explanation for the origin of the word "antisemitism" and the correct use of "Semite," please, please, PLEASE post it here.

I get to throw down another gauntlet! 😃 I bet no one will pick this one up, either. 🤣🤣🤣

Just switch to saying racist Jew hatred and be done with it.

The twisting of the semite thing will never end.

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And if you dig deeper you’ll find some else was there before that.

really? like where. All of the archeological digs in Israel that go through centuries of living show Judean/ ancient Israelite culture. Your logic is like saying, if we dig far enough down in South Africa, we will find evidence of an ancient Dutch origin civilization.

24 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

really? like where. All of the archeological digs in Israel that go through centuries of living show Judean/ ancient Israelite culture. Your logic is like saying, if we dig far enough down in South Africa, we will find evidence of an ancient Dutch origin civilization.

All phony, like the assassination attempts

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Just switch to saying racist Jew hatred and be done with it.

The twisting of the semite thing will never end.

The major mistake that some of the anti-Israel posters are making is to use what they feel SHOULD be the definitions of Semite and antisemitism rather than what the definitions actually ARE.

They want to trivialize antisemitism by insisting Arabs are also Semites. It's an absurd notion that's been thrown around since at least the 1960s. Maybe I have too much faith in rational discussion and objective truth, but I can't give up using both to try to counter antisemitism.

12 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Good post, fellow Zionist.

Calling me a “fellow Zionist” is an insult and a complete misrepresentation of my views. I do not condone, support, or align myself with Zionism as a political ideology. My position is clear: I support Israel’s right to exist in peace and security, side by side with a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state, with equal rights, dignity, and self-determination for Palestinians.

You also know very well that many who advocate Zionism reject full Palestinian sovereignty or equal national rights for Palestinians. So stop pretending my position and yours are the same — they are not.