6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Because they comprised 70 per cent of the population, but the proposed partition only gave them 40 per cent of the land.

In retrospect, maybe they should have just accepted a less than fair offer than go through all this hell.

Israel got the Southern desert and Palestine got the fertile West bank and the much converted Old city of Jerusalem

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

As does Palestinians aggression against Israel predates October 7

Yes, since the start of the Nakba.

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Really Jeff ?

There was a Hamas led attack on Israel on 7 th Oct and 36 children were killed ?

Thanks for letting me know .

Was this in the news.........................I seemed to have missed it 😔

So you can't answer a simple question?

Let me repeat my question:

So you don't want anymore discussion on Israeli infants killed on the 7th Oct 2023?

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israel got the Southern desert and Palestine got the fertile West bank and the much converted Old city of Jerusalem

according to that guy, the Jews got the coastline.

and the palestinian land was fragmented.

i would need to look into it and get back to you

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I believe the Palestinians weren’t very happy about having their land stolen

Dig up the lands where Palestinian Arabs now live. You will find Judean archeological history, not Arab history. It is the palestinian Arabs who migrated to the land of Israel. They came from Arabia. It is the Arabs who are colonizers. The Arabs migrated from Arabia, through Israel and into Africa. Have fun denying that historical reality. Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco are called Arab countries now. They are the result of Arab invasion and colonization. You celebrate the occupation of the Arab oppressor.

Cyrus the Great of Persia is referred to as a messiah of the Jews because he liberated them from captivity in Babylon (iraq) and initiated the restoration of their Temple in Jerusalem. That temple stood until the European colonizers called the Romans destroyed it. Then when the Muslims invaded and occupied Jerusalem, they built a mosque on the site in an attempt to humiliate and to dominate occupied Israel. It is the Quran that commands the Jews to live in Israel and the Quran that recognizes the existence of Israel. The Quran mentions the children of Israel 40+ times. It does not mention palestinian Arabs at all. Not one mention. It mentions Israel. it does not mention Palestine, ever. Why's that? Why is there an instructionin the Quran for the Jews to return to their land of Israel and no mention of Palestinian Arabs to go there?

Edited May 19May 19 by Patong2021

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Dig up the lands where Palestinian Arabs now live. You will find Judean archeological history, not Arab history. It is the palestinian Arabs who migrated to the land of Israel. They came from Arabia. It is the Arabs who are colonizers. The Arabs migrated from Arabia, through Israel and into Africa. Have fun denying that historical reality. Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco are called Arab countries now. They are the result of Arab invasion and colonization. You celebrate the occupation of the Arab oppressor.

Cyrus the Great of Persia is referred to as a messiah of the Jews because he liberated them from captivity in Babylon (iraq) and initiated the restoration of their Temple in Jerusalem. That temple stood until the European colonizers called the Romans destroyed it. Then when the Muslims invaded and occupied Jerusalem, they built a mosque on the site in an attempt to humiliate and to dominate occupied Israel. It is the Quran that commands the Jews to live in Israel and the Quran that recognizes the existence of Israel. teh Quran mentions the children of Israel 40+ times. it does not mention palestinian Arabs at all. Not one mention. Why's that? Why is their an instruction for the Jews to return to their land of Israel and no mention of Palestinian Arabs to go there?

The tik tok River to the sea Israel demonizers can't process complexities like that.

Jews white colonizers except when its convenient for racist Jew haters to view them as others not white.

Arabs innocent brown skinned angels oppressed by the Big Jew lobby.

Edited May 19May 19 by Jingthing

13 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Dig up the lands where Palestinian Arabs now live. You will find Judean archeological history, not Arab history. It is the palestinian Arabs who migrated to the land of Israel. They came from Arabia. It is the Arabs who are colonizers. The Arabs migrated from Arabia, through Israel and into Africa. Have fun denying that historical reality. Tunisia, Algeria, Morocco are called Arab countries now. They are the result of Arab invasion and colonization. You celebrate the occupation of the Arab oppressor.

Cyrus the Great of Persia is referred to as a messiah of the Jews because he liberated them from captivity in Babylon (iraq) and initiated the restoration of their Temple in Jerusalem. That temple stood until the European colonizers called the Romans destroyed it. Then when the Muslims invaded and occupied Jerusalem, they built a mosque on the site in an attempt to humiliate and to dominate occupied Israel. It is the Quran that commands the Jews to live in Israel and the Quran that recognizes the existence of Israel. The Quran mentions the children of Israel 40+ times. It does not mention palestinian Arabs at all. Not one mention. It mentions Israel. it does not mention Palestine, ever. Why's that? Why is there an instructionin the Quran for the Jews to return to their land of Israel and no mention of Palestinian Arabs to go there?

And if you dig deeper you’ll find some else was there before that.

One the younger generation grow a brain and stop listening to people with little knowledge of anything then they will be in a position to make decisions.

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

So you can't answer a simple question?

Let me repeat my question:

So you don't want anymore discussion on Israeli infants killed on the 7th Oct 2023?

Some intelligent people have posted, I suggest we give our nonsense a rest for a while

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And if you dig deeper you’ll find some else was there before that.

So these "someone elses" -- are any of those "someone elses" a coherently defined ethnic or ethnoreligious group (if so, of significant population?) that actually even EXISTS at all in this modern day? Please enlighten us.

Even "Palestinians" weren't an Arab thing until the separate identity of Palestinian Arabs was artificially created for political reasons instead of just -- Arabs.

The Jewish ethnoreligious identity, some might say almost miraculously considering the history of persecution most definitely does exist today as it has for thousands of years.

So I'm saying your "someone else" is not relevant to the modern day discussion about the land of Israel.

Edited May 19May 19 by Jingthing

59 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Some intelligent people have posted, I suggest we give our nonsense a rest for a while

Uh Oh, Nick’s getting bored again

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And if you dig deeper you’ll find some else was there before that.

And if you keep digging, you will once again find yourself in a hole that you are unable to get out of

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Some intelligent people have posted, I suggest we give our nonsense a rest for a while

Yet again, you won't answer a simple question, and you suggest this question is nonsense, I'm sure the Israeli's will be proud of you.

Repeat:

You don't want anymore discussion on Israeli infants killed on the 7th Oct 2023?

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

It is the Quran that commands the Jews to live in Israel and the Quran that recognizes the existence of Israel. The Quran mentions the children of Israel 40+ times. It does not mention palestinian Arabs at all. Not one mention. It mentions Israel. it does not mention Palestine, ever. Why's that? Why is there an instructionin the Quran for the Jews to return to their land of Israel and no mention of Palestinian Arabs to go there?

It's debatable how reliable and authoritative these religious texts actually are or should be.

There's probably so much cuckoo for cocoa puffs in these religious texts that we should dismiss whatever it "commands" and use common sense instead.

Do you believe that Jesus was 1) The King of the Jews and 2) God ?

I don't.

Edited May 19May 19 by save the frogs

19 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Yet again, you won't answer a simple question, and you suggest this question is nonsense, I'm sure the Israeli's will be proud of you.

Repeat:

You don't want anymore discussion on Israeli infants killed on the 7th Oct 2023?

I wasn't actually talking to you .

But, can you understand what I said ?

"Honestly, could your side just stop going on about children all the time ?"

And what do you do , jump in and go on about children AGAIN

You side incessantly goes on about children all the time .

Not suggesting they shouldn't be mentioned at all , but thats not the anwser to every question about the subject

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

So these "someone elses" -- are any of those "someone elses" a coherently defined ethnic or ethnoreligious group (if so, of significant population?) that actually even EXISTS at all in this modern day? Please enlighten us.

Even "Palestinians" weren't an Arab thing until the separate identity of Palestinian Arabs was artificially created for political reasons instead of just -- Arabs.

The Jewish ethnoreligious identity, some might say almost miraculously considering the history of persecution most definitely does exist today as it has for thousands of years.

So I'm saying your "someone else" is not relevant to the modern day discussion about the land of Israel.

If you are setting up the arguments for Israel being an ethno-state you might first want to check what the DNA science has to say about the inhabitants of Palestine and Israel:

“The comparison with other Mediterranean populations by using neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses reveal that Palestinians are genetically very close to Jews and other Middle East populations, including Turks (Anatolians), Lebanese, Egyptians, Armenians, and Iranians. Archaeologic and genetic data support that both Jews and Palestinians came from the ancient Canaanites, who extensively mixed with Egyptians, Mesopotamian, and Anatolian peoples in ancient times.

Thus, Palestinian-Jewish rivalry is based in cultural and religious, but not in genetic, differences. The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times.”

Time to extend the right to return to Palestinians, there’s no DNA evidence to exclude them, which only leaves the justification based on apartheid under an ethno-state.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11543891/

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The relatively close relatedness of both Jews and Palestinians to western Mediterranean populations reflects the continuous circum-Mediterranean cultural and gene flow that have occurred in prehistoric and historic times.”

Yes, Israelis, and Jews in general, seems to think only Jews are semites.

All arguments can be settled with on meme' on this subject don't you think?🤔

4 minutes ago, ronnie50 said:

Yes, Israelis, and Jews in general, seems to think only Jews are semites.

And thus have no idea that their genocide against the Palestinians is in its self 'Antisemitic'

11 minutes ago, johng said:

And thus have no idea that their genocide against the Palestinians is in its self 'Antisemitic'

No, antisemitism is specifically hatred of Jews.

27 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I wasn't actually talking to you .

But, can you understand what I said ?

"Honestly, could your side just stop going on about children all the time ?"

And what do you do , jump in and go on about children AGAIN

You side incessantly goes on about children all the time .

Not suggesting they shouldn't be mentioned at all , but thats not the anwser to every question about the subject

So, never mind the 36 Israeli children slaughtered, or the 20,000 Palestinian children that have been killed in the occupied territories since October 7, 2023, with the vast majority of these casualties occurring in the Gaza Strip?

Yet, we are here discussing why it has become fashionable for young people to hate Jews, for the life of me I don't understand why that would be, can you?

Edited May 19May 19 by Jeff the Chef

Not sure who this guy is, but he has a unique take on the situation.

He distinguishes between Jews with Palestinian DNA and Ashkenazi European Jews.

Mizrahi Jews have Canaanite DNA and modern day Palestinians are descendents of Canaanites.

Britain took control in 1922. Until then, the Muslims, Jews, and Christians identified culturally as Arabs for 1000 years. Jewish communities were an integral part of Arab societies.

The Jews of Judea became the Arabs of modern Palestine.

Native Palestinians were Jews, Christians, and Muslims.

It's the Ashkenazi / European Jews that drove out the indigenous population.

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No, antisemitism is specifically hatred of Jews.

Well that is what 'Zionists' would have you believe (hasbara)

but Palestinians are/can be semites too.

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

So, never mind the 36 Israeli children slaughtered, or the 20,000 Palestinian children that have been killed in the occupied territories since October 7, 2023, with the vast majority of these casualties occurring in the Gaza Strip?

Yet, we are here discussing why it has become fashionable for young people to hate Jews, for the life of me I don't understand why that would be, can you?

You will have to find someone else to talk about Children with.

There are other topics rather than the child causalities in a war .

2 minutes ago, johng said:

Well that is what 'Zionists' would have you believe (hasbara)

but Palestinians are/can be semites too.

Semites and anti semites are two different words though

11 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

So, never mind the 36 Israeli children slaughtered, or the 20,000 Palestinian children that have been killed in the occupied territories since October 7, 2023, with the vast majority of these casualties occurring in the Gaza Strip?

Yet, we are here discussing why it has become fashionable for young people to hate Jews, for the life of me I don't understand why that would be, can you?

There is really nothing to discuss. It has become fashionable for "young people" to hate Jews, because they are being taught to hate Jews, by people they admire, that also hate Jews.

The same reason people like you hate Jews.

49 minutes ago, johng said:

And thus have no idea that their genocide against the Palestinians is in its self 'Antisemitic'

Let me get this straight : Israel are Anti Semites because they fought back against an attack from Palestinians ?

19 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Semites and anti semites are two different words though

Yes you got that right the difference being 'anti' only if criticizing a

certain section of semites while genocide of other semites by semites is not anti ??? yeah I'm a bit confused 😟

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Let me get this straight : Israel are Anti Semites because they fought back against an attack from Palestinians ?

Palestinians are among the original semites.

6 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Do you accept Israel's right to exist or do you support the annihilation of Israel ?

Unlike some pro-Israel supporters who uncritically defend every action of the Israeli government, I support Israel’s right to exist in peace and security, side by side with a fully independent and sovereign Palestinian state. I believe both Israelis and Palestinians have the right to live in safety, dignity, peace, and self-determination. Criticizing government policies is not the same as hatred toward a people or religion, and there must be a clear distinction between support for peace and blind political allegiance.