40 minutes ago, visalady said:

It was 25 years ago what do you expect there is left about it now? He wiped the evidence and the websites where it was discussed no long exist. If you don't believe me that does not mean he did not do it, he most certainly did.

Another of his log ins in Thaivisa was the flying sporran, though the lying sporran might have been more accurate. I forgot he did have a pop at the Police and I forgot about all the court cases against him

No one believes this nonsense...

21 minutes ago, visalady said:

All this is how he bigs himself up, he did not discover Glitter in Vietnam that was a News of the Word reporter. He had one very minor award in 40 years in 1983 that does not even exist now. In 40 years there are only 35 articles published in the papers he boasts of working for. Some of those were co written and mostly tittle tattle sun, sea and sea types, no investigations. He is very good at one thing- self promotion.

21 minutes ago, visalady said:

All this is how he bigs himself up, he did not discover Glitter in Vietnam that was a News of the Word reporter. He had one very minor award in 40 years in 1983 that does not even exist now. In 40 years there are only 35 articles published in the papers he boasts of working for. Some of those were co written and mostly tittle tattle sun, sea and sea types, no investigations. He is very good at one thing- self promotion.

23 minutes ago, visalady said:

All this is how he bigs himself up, he did not discover Glitter in Vietnam that was a News of the Word reporter. He had one very minor award in 40 years in 1983 that does not even exist now. In 40 years there are only 35 articles published in the papers he boasts of working for. Some of those were co written and mostly tittle tattle sun, sea and sea types, no investigations. He is very good at one thing- self promotion.

You're confusing Cambodia and Vietnam – Andrew Drummond tracked down and exposed Gary Glitter in Vietnam. As a foreign correspondent, Drummond located the convicted sex offender in the seaside resort town of Vung Tau and helped expose his activities with underage girls, which ultimately led to Glitter's arrest and imprisonment in Vietnam – in London he worked for Evening Standard, News of the World, Mail on Sunday and Observer.

He's upset the Thai ruling classes, as well as the underworld in Thailand.

1 hour ago, visalady said:

All this is how he bigs himself up, he did not discover Glitter in Vietnam that was a News of the Word reporter. He had one very minor award in 40 years in 1983 that does not even exist now. In 40 years there are only 35 articles published in the papers he boasts of working for. Some of those were co written and mostly tittle tattle sun, sea and sea types, no investigations. He is very good at one thing- self promotion.

Somehow I do not think you are a Thai visa lady. And you are getting more and more frustrated by the sound of things. The Award 'The Maurice Ludmer Memorial Award' was indeed a one-off for 'Investigations into Racism and Facism' (he became an undercover Nazi for 18 months with a total new identity) He did indeed track down Gary Glitter together with photographer Andy Chant in Vung Tau.

He was actually called in by the News of the World after their team was unable to find Glitter. The actual byline on the story was Neville Thurlbeck, who did not leave his desk in London. Andrew Drummond was acccredited to the Times at the time and he did not want his name on his copy re-written by Thurlbeck - who was one of the few people who did time for offences committed during the phone hacking scandal. (Drummond went on strike against Murdoch in 1986). Drummond and Chant were referred to in the story as 'our team of investigators'. 555.

He covered Glitters trial in Vietnam and, when Glitter was released from jail, working with FACE* Drummond ensured that Glitter was not allowed to enter Thailand. Drummond was the only person told that Glitter was being put on a certain flight and again with Chant, was the only reporter with Glitter when he was shuffled off to Hong Kobng, from where he was extradited immediately

More than 25 of those 40 years btw there was no internet so you will have to find the newspaper clippings. If you ask nicely and provide an email with as real name on it Drummond says he will be happy to oblige. You have little understanding of how newspapers work despite formerly being I believe CEO of the Pattaya News. On stories that were not exclusive they were pinged simultaneously to - depending on the target audience- but usually all major daily and evening newspapers and national and regional TV stations in the UK. He often did p/t camera interviews and phone-ins. etc. I attach a Glitter picture for you and a UKPG story on that award which Andrew has sent me.. *FACE Fight Against Child Exploitation.

Edited May 24May 24 by Thai-Defender

1 hour ago, Thai-Defender said:

Thanks, but I I don't think Drummond has upset the ruling classes His l stuff is in a coffee table book compiled by Denis Grey (former Bangkok bujreau cheif of AP) presented to the late King Bhumipol. I think he might have upset influential Thai figures connected to foreign fraud operations. I guess maybe they were in the ruling classes and also underworld so to speak.

I think you are taking an uncritical “government” line on this….. British Association of Journalists Slams Pattaya Court's Libel Verdict Against Reporter Andrew Drummond

The British Association of Journalists (BAJ) has fiercely condemned a Pattaya court's decision to hand The Times correspondent Andrew Drummond a six-month suspended jail sentence and an £800 fine for criminal libel.

The case stems from a Bangkok Post article where Drummond reported allegations that Pattaya nightclub owners James Lumsden and Gordon May had defrauded British investors.

BAJ General Secretary Steve Turner pulled no punches, calling the verdict "outrageous" and labeling the Thai judicial system corrupt. He pointed out a massive conflict of interest that would never fly in the UK:

"It is incredible that the prosecutor in the case was for many years a director of the first nightclub and founding director of the second."

Drummond, a veteran investigative journalist, stated he will appeal the verdict—even though the process could take a decade. He noted that the court completely ignored the victims' evidence, adding:

"I remain in awe of a Pattaya police special investigation which states that there is no sex trade going on in this club called Boyz Boyz Boyz and the fact that my Thai prosecutor was a director of this company."

The Foreign Correspondents Club of Thailand (FCCT) has also expressed deep dismay at the conviction and confirmed they will be fully supporting Drummond through his appeal.

43 minutes ago, kwilco said:

I think you are taking an uncritical “government” line on this….. British Association of Journalists Slams Pattaya Court's Libel Verdict Against Reporter Andrew Drummond

The British Association of Journalists (BAJ) has fiercely condemned a Pattaya court's decision to hand The Times correspondent Andrew Drummond a six-month suspended jail sentence and an £800 fine for criminal libel.

The case stems from a Bangkok Post article where Drummond reported allegations that Pattaya nightclub owners James Lumsden and Gordon May had defrauded British investors.

BAJ General Secretary Steve Turner pulled no punches, calling the verdict "outrageous" and labeling the Thai judicial system corrupt. He pointed out a massive conflict of interest that would never fly in the UK:

"It is incredible that the prosecutor in the case was for many years a director of the first nightclub and founding director of the second."

Drummond, a veteran investigative journalist, stated he will appeal the verdict—even though the process could take a decade. He noted that the court completely ignored the victims' evidence, adding:

"I remain in awe of a Pattaya police special investigation which states that there is no sex trade going on in this club called Boyz Boyz Boyz and the fact that my Thai prosecutor was a director of this company."

The Foreign Correspondents Club of Thailand (FCCT) has also expressed deep dismay at the conviction and confirmed they will be fully supporting Drummond through his appeal.

Andrew Drummond was acquitted by the appeal court.

Edited May 24May 24 by Thai-Defender

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Keep"Royalty" out of any comment please.

Also, do not post "personal information".

Seems deluded in the extreme that any operator whoever they are in the sleaziest end of the Pattaya sex industry would think they have a reputation to protect. I'm sure their customers don't care, the sleazier the better I expect in their eyes.

It raises the question of who or what circles they are desperate to impress ? For example, whether it be successful business people in the legitimate economy, qualified journalists or even a ridiculously extreme example of say a high society sporting circle, they would 99% of the time be smart enough to spot an aspirational unqualified interloper in their midst. Never mind Joe Public with no skin in the game, just an ounce of human decency, an ability to observe real world reality and recognise factual evidence.

The only thing more hilarious and pathetic at the same time I can think of would be someone suggesting The Pattaya News has done more for investigative journalism in Thailand than Andrew Drummond.

Can narcissists ever quit when they are behind ?

11 hours ago, IsmeUno said:

No one believes this nonsense...

Drummonds work was mostly vindictive nonsense and smears. His boasting about working for papers and the BBC, Fox News etc just made up. He was never a genuine journalist employed by any major paper.

One of his sources below is Stickman the nightlife commentator, best mates with a pimp from Soi 7/1 Sukhumvit, hardly a reliable source.

Can anyone really believe this hit piece is serious journalim ?

https://www.andrew-drummond.news/unmasked-george-at-thaivisaco/

Edited May 25May 25 by visalady

12 hours ago, visalady said:

. I forgot he did have a pop at the Police and I forgot about all the court cases against him

Yes, some crooked people filed defamation cases against the man. They were either dismissed because they were unsubstantiated, or decided in favour of Mr. Drummond. Having a civil case filed neither means the defendant is guilty, nor that the claim is based on fact.

Yes, Mr. Drummond took on allegations of police corruption. He was not alone. Now you are angry because he exposed the corruption. Your anger reminds me of the hissy fit that some government and companies had with the old Phuketwan.

39 minutes ago, visalady said:

Drummonds work was mostly vindictive nonsense and smears. His boasting about working for papers and the BBC, Fox News etc just made up. He was never a genuine journalist employed by any major paper.

One of his sources below is Stickman the nightlife commentator, best mates with a pimp from Soi 7/1 Sukhumvit, hardly a reliable source.

Can anyone really believe this hit piece is serious journalim ?

https://www.andrew-drummond.news/unmasked-george-at-thaivisaco/

What part of the article was factually incorrect? It stood up under the legal test, so try again.

1 hour ago, visalady said:

Drummonds work was mostly vindictive nonsense and smears.

That's a matter of opinion, isn't it?

1 hour ago, visalady said:

His boasting about working for papers and the BBC, Fox News etc just made up. He was never a genuine journalist employed by any major paper

I don't know anything about that...but does it matter? Freelance journalists are a thing.

1 hour ago, visalady said:

One of his sources below is Stickman the nightlife commentator, best mates with a pimp from Soi 7/1 Sukhumvit, hardly a reliable source.

Without 'friends', from whence would he get information?

1 hour ago, visalady said:

Can anyone really believe this hit piece is serious journalim ?

A piece written for the Daily Mirror might look a little different than something written for the Observer. Depends on the audience, doesn't it? Some like a bit of juicy gossip. That's why we have people here every day, nattering about anything and everything. To my mind, you have merely succeeded in raising his profile. Maybe that was your intention 😊 Are you working for him? 😊 You've directed me to stories that I would not have gone looking for. 😊

If you were trying to make him look bad, you haven't succeeded. That's the opinion of an 'average' observer with no skin in the game.

32 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

I don't know anything about that...but does it matter? Freelance journalists are a thing.

Yes, freelance journalists do exist.

But I wouldn't be surprised if this guy secretly works for some shady Western NGO that is trying to undermine the reputation of Thailand.

26 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Yes, freelance journalists do exist.

But I wouldn't be surprised if this guy secretly works for some shady Western NGO that is trying to undermine the reputation of Thailand.

It seems that you are back again...

You do like your conspiracy theories, don't you? Obviously nonsense.

But why so bitter? Do you have skin in the game?

6 hours ago, visalady said:

Drummonds work was mostly vindictive nonsense and smears. His boasting about working for papers and the BBC, Fox News etc just made up. He was never a genuine journalist employed by any major paper.

One of his sources below is Stickman the nightlife commentator, best mates with a pimp from Soi 7/1 Sukhumvit, hardly a reliable source.

Can anyone really believe this hit piece is serious journalim ?

https://www.andrew-drummond.news/unmasked-george-at-thaivisaco/

I don't think anybody believes your false claims any more. Drummond laughed at your reference to Stickman. Actually he was (is?) a very popular columnist. Drummond did not write about Thailand bars. He did write about charlatans and imposters. Of course he knew Stickman. You have probably mentioned his name because Stickman did two very famous interviews with Bryan Flowers who, when asked, would he ever return to England got the reply/ 'Never. There, I would be nothing for me, I'd just be an electrician's mate'. Bryan hates him. Drummond has that article btw. Your claims about for whom Drummond worked are based on a very incompetent Google search.

FACTS. He worked as staff Reading Newspaper Co (Reading Chronicle and Berkshire Mercury) also freelancing for BBC Radio Oxford from aged 18 - 21. (68=71) At 21 he was appointed News Editor at Fleet St News Agency/ TVNS. From there he worked under contract to Associated Newspapers (Daily Mail) 1974 but while at Daily Mail he was headhunted as Bureau Chief News of the World in Scotland - where his roots are.

After three years in Scotland he returned to become senior reporter (investigations) in London. While in Fleet Street stories he covered included just to give a few examples controverial Saigon airlift, invasion of Cyprus by Turkey, The nanny murder and subsequent hunt for Lord Lucan, hunt for Carlos the Jackal, the John Stonehouse affair etc. two Royal Tours, the LA Olympics -All before Flowers was born and mostly when the News of th World was a broadsheet newspaper. (He left during the Wapping strike against Murdoch by which time it had become tabloid. )

Drummond has retained all his credentials and cuttings of all major stories. He is not going to flood this site with his scoops and old press cards but he could if it is asked. Attached is a cutting comfirming his employments at Observer and at Fox TV Stations. He was not staff at the BBC but worked on two Panorama programmes, which he bought to them (details available as are his staff position at NoW. Fox cannot be compared to Fox News today. Nor was the content in the broadsheet News of the World same as in the tabloid version. It conducted serious investigations into, for instance, Scotland Yard's Flying Squad, according to Drummond's dictation today.

In the late 80s Fox, he says, was taking the mickey out of Trump on a daily basis (had lots of Aussie journo too, Drummond just took this foto from his scrap book which he sent to me. I guess he can foto the full article i needed. But u can verify in data If you need any more of your claims quashed just let me know.

Edited May 25May 25 by Thai-Defender

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Yes, freelance journalists do exist.

But I wouldn't be surprised if this guy secretly works for some shady Western NGO that is trying to undermine the reputation of Thailand.

No but he says he, worked with FACE (Foundation to Fight Against Child Exploitation) a Thai NGO funded by UBESCO which ensured Gary Glitter did not enter Thailand after his jail term in Vietnam. You're forever being surprised 'Save the Frogs' . Be careful about your heart condition. When you start talking and writing the same as Bryan Flowers it can become obsession.

14 minutes ago, Thai-Defender said:

Be careful about your heart condition. When you start talking and writing the same as Bryan Flowers it can become obsession.

I just re-read one of his articles to double check if I'm being delusional.

It reads like The Jerry Springer Show.

He is publishing private emails. This is not really journalism technically.

It's public taunting.

These private emails belong in the courtroom, not for the public.

He's airing his dirty laundry on his site of people's emails retaliating against him.

If there's a crime, fine. Report it. But I don't want to read all this dirty laundry stuff.

Of course people can get vicious when attacked by reporters.

It proves nothing to be publishing all this crap.

Seems like he's taunting people, waiting for responses, then posting their actions on his site all to get views and clicks on his site.

And to say "see I told you expats in Pattaya were bad dudes!"

Edited May 25May 25 by save the frogs

He posts this photo on site, mocking one of his targets ...

He is more of an internet troll than a serious journalist.

He gets his rocks off pi**ing people off, then posting the saga on his web page.

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

I just re-read one of his articles to double check if I'm being delusional.

It reads like The Jerry Springer Show.

He is publishing private emails. This is not really journalism technically.

It's public taunting.

These private emails belong in the courtroom, not for the public.

He's airing his dirty laundry on his site of people's emails retaliating against him.

If there's a crime, fine. Report it. But I don't want to read all this dirty laundry stuff.

Of course people can get vicious when attacked by reporters.

It proves nothing to be publishing all this crap.

Seems like he's taunting people, waiting for responses, then posting their actions on his site all to get views and clicks on his site.

And to say "see I told you expats in Pattaya were bad dudes!"

You're trying too hard Froggy. Drummond replies that Adam Howell, the investor, who claimed he was defrauded out of US$460,000 was privy to lots of information, confidentiual memos to investors, messenger posts and voice mails from Flowers to him, which were often AI ladyboy porn and racist themes, the handing out of virgins and women too young to be employed in his bars to investors and senior staff, and hour by hour updates on what happened when his Flirt bar was raided by ATIP Police, how he had been forwarned by the local police that the raid was imminent and the girl in question was removed from the bar. Hence the statement in his Pattaya News 'no underaged girl was found in the bar. Ths is also included evidence to various activities Drummond cannot talk about.

Whether a British sex bar boss in Pattaya had cheated an investor was not a story, certainly not in the U.K. This happens all the time in Pattaya. But how a large British sex business operated in Thailand is.

Incidentally Howell went to police with this material, and also to the Department of Special Investigations. He also complained to local police about being scammed in a crypto launch by a senior executive of the Night Wish operation. Dummond has obtained copies of this statement. It was all written in Thai of course by a policeman who accompanied Howell to the police station. The statement does not name the local perpetratror, only his friend who had moved to India!

Double check Froggy you are being delusional.

(copyright licence granted. Howell at DSI

Other documents, which Drummond cannot talk about, have been passed to Thai TICAC police and the British National Crime Agency. Drummond has not, as Howell claims, complained to the Thai government. All these documents including an uninterrupted 6 year long Facebook Messenger dialogue with Howell should be released to the public to show how sleazy this operation was.. Drummond agrees all this stuff should be in court, but this is Thailand and you clearly dont understand how tyhe country works . This thread also shows how your man asked Howell to take part in internet smear campaigns against rivals in Pattaya, and the Exodus Road anti-sex-trafficking ngo. The current smear campaign against Drummond is just the latest.

Further while attempting to sue, Flowers invented copyright on a lot of the material and made numerous DMCA complaints. By claiming the copyright he was admitting to his own utterances. These showed how he paid 1l.5 million baht down to 'corrupt police' in the Flirt bar case. He may have been lying, obviously he wanted the investors to pay, What do you think?

Flowers has tried to sue but failed. The law firm does not want anything to do with him. He has misused their name. Currently his attack pages are constructed under the guidance of a supposed British law company. That company does not exist.

You are right it should be in court. Even if he could sue before he cannot sue now - not with all that rubbish he has put on the net. Smear campaigns are what people do now if they can't go through the courts.

PS Drummond does not go for clicks. His website is just there so people can be aware of people who may wish to do them harm. His site ha never been monetised. He will not accept ads etc.

Are you sure you wish to continue?

Edited May 25May 25 by Thai-Defender

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

He posts this photo on site, mocking one of his targets ...

He is more of an internet troll than a serious journalist.

He gets his rocks off pi**ing people off, then posting the saga on his web page.

It's not working Froggy. Your handler is the registered owner of 'ethical-trolling.com', jizzflicker.com and beltsofmongering.com. I'm wondering if you can use your esteemed knowledge as a lterary critic and give me your critical opinion of the quality writing on these websites and what their purpose might be. You have to go to archive.org to find Jizzflicker, Its down at the moment but ownership has been renewed.

PS The picture is a charicature of what yur boss is thinking. It is not a picture taken from a genuine photo of a person and merged in a AI video scene showing that person doing things he has never done. which is what is on the Bryan Flowers AI slop videos posted here.

Are you sure you still want to be doing this? When does your shift end and visa lady starts?

Edited May 25May 25 by Thai-Defender

43 minutes ago, Thai-Defender said:

It's not working Froggy. Your handler is the registered owner of 'ethical-trolling.com', jizzflicker.com and beltsofmongering.com.

Froggy is our resident baiter. I only see his posts when someone replies to them.

How many times he has said now that he has no horse in the race, and is out of here? FIVE times?

Yest he continues throwing bait, and most of it is full of lies and falsehoods.

44 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

Froggy is our resident baiter.

He's not just an ordinary run-of-the-troll baiter; he's a master baiter.

Edited May 25May 25 by Evil Penevil

On 5/24/2026 at 6:08 AM, Spider5511 said:

I played pool with him quite a few times.

Must have been his best friend and associate then.

Edited May 25May 25 by FritsSikkink

On 5/24/2026 at 6:24 PM, Thai-Defender said:

Andrew Drummond used to meet the Deputy Head of Mission of the British Embassy in the Safari bar in Patpong, as well as many journalists - the music was good!

How would you know if not AD?

On 5/24/2026 at 6:47 PM, Thai-Defender said:

He arrived in Thailand in late 80's. Were newspapes up on the internet then. Did we even have the internet? 5555

Yes

On 5/24/2026 at 7:04 PM, Thai-Defender said:

I do not think he's bothered.

I think you are.

16 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Yes, some crooked people filed defamation cases against the man. They were either dismissed because they were unsubstantiated, or decided in favour of Mr. Drummond.

Why did he leave Thailand?

3 hours ago, FritsSikkink said:

Why did he leave Thailand?

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Q How would I know Drummond met Uk deputy head of mission in Safari. A: Drummond told me but I was there in same era and dips did go to bars. (They would not take girls out though)

Q: You answered 'Yes' to my question were newspapers up on the net in the 80's. The answer is no British newspapers were not on the internet in the 80s. The Telegraph has a primitive sport section up in 1994 many newspapers did not follow until past 2000.

Q: Your answer to 'I dont think he's bothered; was 'I don't think you are. A: No I'm not bothered either,

Q Why did he leave Thailand. Answer: Look it up its in respectable newspapers.

Next 5555. No maybe not, That;s five minutes of my life wasted.

9 hours ago, Thai-Defender said:

which were often AI ladyboy porn and racist themes, the handing out of virgins

You keep throwing around the term virgins as though there is some sort of crime associated to virgins. Please quote a law regarding virgins.

Also, how does a reputable journalist actually go about verifying that a girl is a virgin? How does a reputable journalist fact check this?

This is slimy journalism, trying to smear people's reputations.

Sorry, I'm extricating myself from this thread. I'm not commenting anymore and not reading any more replies.

If the would be journalist did not write the article exposing the USA diplomat, then why did he discuss why he did it online more than once? He scrubbed that and other embarassing articles from the archives on his site. His justification was strangley similar to the comments given on here by his 'defender'. If Drummond was such a fair seeker after truth and the facts, then why was he banned from almost every Thai forum over the years, in some cases several times? At least he will never be setting foot in Thailand again.

Edited May 26May 26 by visalady

15 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

You keep throwing around the term virgins as though there is some sort of crime associated to virgins. Please quote a law regarding virgins.

Also, how does a reputable journalist actually go about verifying that a girl is a virgin? How does a reputable journalist fact check this?

This is slimy journalism, trying to smear people's reputations.

Sorry, I'm extricating myself from this thread. I'm not commenting anymore and not reading any more replies.

Is this the last goodbye? You have a point. I never checked they were virgins. I was not offered. Neither did the investor who refused the offer. Maybe the boss who offered them was lying. I merely reported what he was offering his investors and senior staff. How come you never referred also to the 'under-aged girl offer?'