20 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Sorry, I don't believe that.

Then maybe look up the former outlaws president who was most wanted and lived open and freely in Thailand until he got wacked 'by getting a heart attack' after wanting to leave it all and marry up in Chiang Rai. I played pool with him quite a few times. You have no clue.

He would always have 4-10 guards including police, armed, with him. He even had a private in USA. Seen so many things including shooting in public, downtown in central Bangkok. Once a drunk cop in normal clothes fell asleep in a bar, when they closed tried to gentle wake him up and move him out, then he woke up freaked out pulling a gun on us.

A few of you here know all this just as well as I do, most of you are just old ignorant sheeps.

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17 hours ago, visalady said:

Drummond - He has said he is happy to be called a gutter journalist, which is just what he is. In the end picked on the wrong people and had to flee Thailand leaving the mrs behind. He has had it in for Bryan Flowers mostly of late. He only ever picked on foreigners, never Thai wrong doers. He has 'exposed' people in the past just for going to bars in Bangkok, leading to severe employment problems.

Andrew Drummond has never said he is happy to be called a gutter journalist? Where? He has not only picked on foreigners. For example he was thanked by the Thai National Human Rights Commission for investigations on the murder of Leo del Pinto and attack on Carly Reisig by a Thai policeman in Mae Hong Son province in northern Thailand. The policeman was subsequently jailed for 36 years. (look it up). He has not exposed people for going to bars. How ridiculous is this accusation? He is a journalist. Few journalists do not go to bars. He does not know nor has he ever met Bryan Flowers but knows a lot about him. His investigations of Bryan Flowers are of important national interest at the moment because of the controversy over the matter of the hidden foreign ownerships in Thailand's 'nightlife' industry,

9 minutes ago, Spider5511 said:

Then maybe look up the former outlaws president who was most wanted and lived open and freely in Thailand until he got wacked 'by getting a heart attack' after wanting to leave it all and marry up in Chiang Rai. I played pool with him quite a few times. You have no clue.

He would always have 4-10 guards including police, armed, with him. He even had a private in USA. Seen so many things including shooting in public, downtown in central Bangkok. Once a drunk cop in normal clothes fell asleep in a bar, when they closed tried to gentle wake him up and move him out, then he woke up freaked out pulling a gun on us.

A few of you here know all this just as well as I do.

Spot on. Andrew knew him all too well

4 hours ago, Thai-Defender said:

I think he made a refernce to the bar owner's weight because the British bar manager was charged with working at the Soi 6 bar against Thai labour laws on an education visa for attending Muay Thai lessons at the Rage Fight Academy in Pattaya owned by his boss.

Yeah, but who cares about someone working on an education visa?

Some little old lady in Aberdeen reading his articles and hoping the entire sex trade gets shut down over a visa?

It's a minor transgression. He's just giving himself a sense of self-importance reporting on these trivialities and enjoys making people look bad.

Just now, visalady said:

drummond.news

11 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

The individual you refer to was subject to several allegations. The one I believe you refer to arose in 2015 when he was indicted on real estate fraud. Mr. Drummond reported the indictment. He did not invent the incident.

You are claiming that Mr, Drummond wrote an article on the "night time activities" of a US embassy staff member 25 years ago, and yet you offer no evidence of the article or its negative implications other than your unsubstantiated claim. Try again. If a member of any foreign consulate is involved in activities that are contrary to their employment code of conduct and standing orders and is exposed, it is not the journalist's responsibility for the subsequent disciplinary action.

Why should I have to try to dig up the article that is not on his site now as 'proof' this is not a court of law if you don't believe me that's up to you. If you were in Bangkok at the time or used to meet up with the Nanaplaza guys it was common knowledge. Drummond even got a sneaky photo of the man wearing an ASFO hat as a joke, again, if you were around then you would know what that stood for. Indulging in the nightlife as a diplomat was not very wise, but he did not deserved to have his career ruined by a low life journalist playing judge and jury, who was doing much the same himself. Drummond was a total holier than thou hypocrite.

4 hours ago, Thai-Defender said:

Andrew Drummond has never said he is happy to be called a gutter journalist? Where? He has not only picked on foreigners. For example he was thanked by the Thai National Human Rights Commission for investigations on the murder of Leo del Pinto and attack on Carly Reisig by a Thai policeman in Mae Hong Son province in northern Thailand. The policeman was subsequently jailed for 36 years. (look it up). He has not exposed people for going to bars. How ridiculous is this accusation? He is a journalist. Few journalists do not go to bars. He does not know nor has he ever met Bryan Flowers but knows a lot about him. His investigations of Bryan Flowers are of important national interest at the moment because of the controversy over the matter of the hidden foreign ownerships in Thailand's 'nightlife' industry,

He said he was happy to be called a gutter journalist on Thai visa, before he was banned, the famous grouse used to be one of his log ins.

5 hours ago, Thai-Defender said:

Andrew Drummond has since got back to me. He wishes you to point to his story about the No 2 at the U.S. Embassy going to a bar, any bar for that matter. He says he has never reported on any official at the U.S. Embassy let alone the Deputy Head of Mission. He has however reported on a United States DEA agent who fired off a gun in a bar in Chiang Mai mamny years ago, could that be what you are referriing to. Your posts indicate that you are trawling to find something negative about Mr. Drummond. You have said for instance that Drummond claimed he went to Portsmouth University - when he did not. Drummond skipped Uni entirely and entered journalism through the National Council for the Training of Journalists and did their diploma in journalism (courses on journalism and media studiies at university did not exist at UNIS) This involved attending college for a couple of months or so only every year for three years at Highbury College, Portsmouth-while he working on a real newspaper, which is the only real experience you can get. This story was put out by none other than Drew Noyes, the American owner of the now defunct Pattaya Times, who took legal action against Andrew Drummond, only to find himself under arrest for extortion. Noyes was sentenced to jail to imprisonment but while on bail on appeal he applied to the court to go back to the United States on an urgent family matter. The court took the extra 'bail' offered and, of course, he never returned.

Drummond is having memory problems then and has discussed why he did it in the past, the diplomats initials were JC and he lived in Soi Sarisin

Edited May 24May 24 by visalady

Plenty of anti Drummond on the internet, and while it's obvious who is behind most of it, it's good to see him getting a taste of his own medicine

https://andrew-drummond.net/t

14 minutes ago, visalady said:

Plenty of anti Drummond on the internet, and while it's obvious who is behind most of it, it's good to see him getting a taste of his own medicine

https://andrew-drummond.net/t

Claim:

Exiled nearly 20 years ago from newspapers and media companies

Seems true because a Google search does not show that he has ever written for any established newspaper.

7 hours ago, Thai-Defender said:

Spot on. Andrew knew him all too well

Is this you Andrew?

3 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Claim:

Exiled nearly 20 years ago from newspapers and media companies

Seems true because a Google search does not show that he has ever written for any established newspaper.

He claims here, via the FCCT magazine, that he wrote for the Evening Standard in London. https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/68b19f1f72aa74935d810c8d/68b510c05e15888b0e191270_dateline_1994_3rdQ_.pdf

Certainly makes for good reading.

3 hours ago, visalady said:

Plenty of anti Drummond on the internet, and while it's obvious who is behind most of it, it's good to see him getting a taste of his own medicine

https://andrew-drummond.net/t

He seems to be putting up a spirited defence. On balance, who do you believe?

7 hours ago, visalady said:

Why should I have to try to dig up the article that is not on his site now as 'proof' this is not a court of law if you don't believe me that's up to you. If you were in Bangkok at the time or used to meet up with the Nanaplaza guys it was common knowledge. Drummond even got a sneaky photo of the man wearing an ASFO hat as a joke, again, if you were around then you would know what that stood for. Indulging in the nightlife as a diplomat was not very wise, but he did not deserved to have his career ruined by a low life journalist playing judge and jury, who was doing much the same himself. Drummond was a total holier than thou hypocrite.

Because according to the rules here you are supposed not to make allegations without any evidence. ASFO please explain. American Society of Forensic Odontology. Your claims are ridiculous and unsupported. What is tjhe name of the man No 2 in the Embassy he is supposed to have exposed. Andrew Drummond used to meet the Deputy Head of Mission of the British Embassy in the Safari bar in Patpong, as well as many journalists - the music was good!

1 hour ago, IsmeUno said:

He claims here, via the FCCT magazine, that he wrote for the Evening Standard in London. https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/68b19f1f72aa74935d810c8d/68b510c05e15888b0e191270_dateline_1994_3rdQ_.pdf

Certainly makes for good reading.

Great story. Drummond worked for a number of national papers in the UK. Latterly at the Observer where he convered southeast asian matters, He was one of the two founders of the Observer Film Company, However after the launch film 'Lord of the Golden Triangle' (investigation by and co-producer) filmed in Burma, he tells me, he decided he would rather flit between news and TV. In Thailand he covered the Royal Tour of Princess Diana (Thailand, Laos, Australia) and took major roles in other films 'Who Killed Kirsty Jones?' , C4,. 'Burma's Forgotten War' BBC writer.reporter, and surprise surprise 'The Sex Slave Trade' (not about bars in Thailand but trafficking to the UK) In Thailand he was accredited with the the Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the Evening Standard, Observer, and latterly for ten years the Times.

Edited May 24May 24 by Thai-Defender

5 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Claim:

Exiled nearly 20 years ago from newspapers and media companies

Seems true because a Google search does not show that he has ever written for any established newspaper.

Exiled? 5555. Oh so you are searching Google for stories on Andrew Drummond more than 20 years ago. Think about that for a minute. He arrived in Thailand in late 80's. Were newspapes up on the internet then. Did we even have the internet? 5555. I have been to Drummond's office in Bangkok. It was a shrine to his scoops, He covered the 1984 Olympic fopr instance ( not on a scoop basis though) . Can you find it? Of course not. 5555 In Thailand he covered the murders of Joanne Masheder, Kirsty Jones, Katherine Horton and Leo Del Pinto. He was busier than ever from 1990 to 2005 Probably wont find much on those, but all sensational cases.5555.

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6 hours ago, visalady said:

Plenty of anti Drummond on the internet, and while it's obvious who is behind most of it, it's good to see him getting a taste of his own medicine

https://andrew-drummond.net/t

I do not think he's bothered. The man who can't be named has put up over 150 stories and 20 plus AI slop videos against Drummond suggesting he is a lot more unhinged. This one is interesting because he is defending an Australian wanted for sex trafficking whom Drummond exposed.

Drummond wrote a series of a stories under the sub heading 'The Night Wish Files' about foreign controlled group of bars in Pattaya, based on the documents, statement and videos of a cheated investor - the other person named in the title of this thread

8 hours ago, visalady said:

Drummond is having memory problems then and has discussed why he did it in the past, the diplomats initials were JC and he lived in Soi Sarisin

No that has not helped. You sure this guy was No 2 at the US Embassy. He would certainly remember that. That would piss off the whole of the diplomatic corps in Bangkok. Can you find the story? Go to Drummond site and search the guy's full name. But its not even story to say a dip was in a bar. He met dips in bars all the time. Even attended post FRANC meetings drinks in Soi 4. There must have been something more to it. Your comment that Drummond has discussed why he did it, might help if you can elaborate.

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8 hours ago, visalady said:

He said he was happy to be called a gutter journalist on Thai visa, before he was banned, the famous grouse used to be one of his log ins.

He said he was happy to be a called a 'muckraker' - there'sa big difference

6 hours ago, visalady said:

Is this you Andrew?

No. But I am a very old friend and am fact checking with him.

37 minutes ago, Thai-Defender said:

He said he was happy to be a called a 'muckraker' - there'sa big difference

Although there may be "some" truth to what he writes, he cannot be trusted because his writing style is akin to The Jerry Springer Show. It's mostly mudslinging.

https://www.andrew-drummond.news/a-british-run-sex-meat-grinder-fraud-in-thailand/

Adam Howell was put in a bedroom with three young and naked Thai women and told to get on with it.

<< Is that a form of torture to put naked women in front of someone? It is not normal for people who buy bars to indulge in these types of things? My virgin ears! What a bad man that bar owner. He's putting naked women in investor's faces! What a joke !! This is like AN troll comedy hour. >>

<< Then he proceeds to accuse the bars on Soi for being strictly illegal. No, actually, everyone knows the drill. They're not illegal. >>

officially illegal,  ‘short-time’ bars in a downmarket red light street called ‘Soi 6’.

His business runs as a meat grinder need to churn out new sex workers on a daily basis with a drop-out rate of 57 per cent per month.

<< The turnover rate of sex workers ... first of all, made up numbers no doubt. Second of all, as though this is some sort of slave labor camp conditions. Easiest job in the world if women actually choose that lifestyle. Meat grinder ... what a joke! >>

<< Now, you can debate whether it was ethical not to return the investment after Howell decided to pull out ... and this article does imply that it was unethical ... however ....Howell admits it was done on a handshake. >>

“Looking back now I realise how naive I had been. Everything had been done on a handshake.

This article is more slander and defamation rather than serious journalism.

Sorry, I am not devoting any more time to this.

Wasting too much time.

Good luck to everyone.

Best of luck to Mr. Drummond to re-establish his reputation as a serious investigative journalist. I won't be reading any of his work.

11 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Yeah, but who cares about someone working on an education visa?

Some little old lady in Aberdeen reading his articles and hoping the entire sex trade gets shut down over a visa?

It's a minor transgression. He's just giving himself a sense of self-importance reporting on these trivialities and enjoys making people look bad.

Working as a bar manager on an education visa. Two laws broken. Apparently the Thai Government care - but not perhaps the local authorities in Pattaya. You don't have to worry about litte old ladies in Aberdeen. And if some foreigners did the same in your outback home town, would the residents have anything to say? You seem to have a dog in this race 555

6 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Sorry, I am not devoting any more time to this.

Wasting too much time.

Good luck to everyone.

Best of luck to Mr. Drummond to re-establish his reputation as a serious investigative journalist. I won't be reading any of his work.

Great idea.

9 hours ago, visalady said:

Why should I have to try to dig up the article that is not on his site now as 'proof' this is not a court of law if you don't believe me that's up to you. If you were in Bangkok at the time or used to meet up with the Nanaplaza guys it was common knowledge. Drummond even got a sneaky photo of the man wearing an ASFO hat as a joke, again, if you were around then you would know what that stood for. Indulging in the nightlife as a diplomat was not very wise, but he did not deserved to have his career ruined by a low life journalist playing judge and jury, who was doing much the same himself. Drummond was a total holier than thou hypocrite.

You have made a claim, and are unable to support the claim. Instead you demand that we should take your claim as an established fact. You are blaming Mr. Drummond because your friend was hanging about with "Nanaplaza guys" and "indulging in nightlife" and was caught. What part of an employment code of conduct and security regulations do you not comprehend? US consular staff who are stationed in areas where they can easily be compromised are subject to the code of conduct to protect both themselves and their country's national security.

One must be oblivious to reality to argue that hanging about in Nana plaza and cavorting with prostitutes is acceptable behavior for an official of the US government. Well, it is not. It is how people are blackmailed into spying for hostile forces or who leak secrets to foreign intelligence services or get into trouble. If Mr. Drummond exposed the individual, then he did the US government a public service and should be thanked. If your story is accurate, your US friend should have been reprimanded, and if not terminated, demoted to a supervised junior posting. It is unacceptable for consular officials to hang about in high risk areas chatting up transvestites,and/or transgenders and/or prostitutes.

3 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

One must be oblivious to reality to argue that hanging about in Nana plaza and cavorting with prostitutes is acceptable behavior for an official of the US government.

They are not breaking the law.

It's no one's business and you don't have the right to spy on them and report it.

It's an infringement of privacy.

It's sleazy under-handed journalism.

It's your OPINION that frequenting prostitutes is a sin that warrants people be damned to hell for eternity. It's not an illegal activity.

It's not only sleazy journalism, but western puritanicals imposing their morality in Thailand.

Edited May 24May 24 by save the frogs

This popped up on my YT feed - very interesting blast from the past he is brave and fearless man.Edit censored myself after watching a very intresting video on Mr Drummond's ancient You Tube site it "defames" some very current powerful Pattaya big wigs !!

Edited May 24May 24 by beautifulthailand99

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You have made a claim, and are unable to support the claim. Instead you demand that we should take your claim as an established fact. You are blaming Mr. Drummond because your friend was hanging about with "Nanaplaza guys" and "indulging in nightlife" and was caught. What part of an employment code of conduct and security regulations do you not comprehend? US consular staff who are stationed in areas where they can easily be compromised are subject to the code of conduct to protect both themselves and their country's national security.

One must be oblivious to reality to argue that hanging about in Nana plaza and cavorting with prostitutes is acceptable behavior for an official of the US government. Well, it is not. It is how people are blackmailed into spying for hostile forces or who leak secrets to foreign intelligence services or get into trouble. If Mr. Drummond exposed the individual, then he did the US government a public service and should be thanked. If your story is accurate, your US friend should have been reprimanded, and if not terminated, demoted to a supervised junior posting. It is unacceptable for consular officials to hang about in high risk areas chatting up transvestites,and/or transgenders and/or prostitutes.

It was 25 years ago what do you expect there is left about it now? He wiped the evidence and the websites where it was discussed no long exist. If you don't believe me that does not mean he did not do it, he most certainly did.

Another of his log ins in Thaivisa was the flying sporran, though the lying sporran might have been more accurate. I forgot he did have a pop at the Police and I forgot about all the court cases against him

This is revealing

21 hours ago, kwilco said:

Andrew Drummond is a British independent journalist and occasional television documentary maker.

He is a former Fleet Street, London journalist, having worked at the Evening Standard, Daily Mail, Mail on Sunday, News of the World, Observer, and The Times.

Specialising in investigations, he has also worked on assignments throughout Europe, and in the United States, South America, Africa, China, Indonesia, Korea, Malaysia, Vietnam, Cambodia, Australia, the South Pacific, and Central Asia.

In television, he has worked on documentaries for a variety of broadcasters, including BBC Panorama, BBC2, Channel 4 Dispatches, and World Monitor (Boston).

With Kimis Zabhiyan, he was the joint founder of the Observer Film Company, the film arm of the Observer newspaper. His film Lord of the Golden Triangle, filmed with opium warlord Khun Sa, which he researched as a foreign correspondent for the Observer in the Shan States of Burma, was the launch film of the company.

From Thailand, from 1986 until his departure in 2015, he covered most of the major breaking stories in Southeast Asia, from the Asian tsunami and bird flu to the Bali bombings, military coups, and crime.

His investigations in Asia have led directly to the prosecution of people including a policeman for murder, and to the release of scapegoats set up on murder charges. He has been successful against “boiler room” fraud operations, which he continues to monitor, and, working with the Foundation to Fight Against Child Exploitation, has tracked and identified a variety of child sexual abusers. The most famous of these was rock star Garry Glitter (real name Paul Gadd), whom he tracked down to a house in Vung Tau, Vietnam, leading to his prosecution by the authorities.

Andrew is a holder of the Maurice Ludmer Memorial Award for investigations into racism and fascism, after he went undercover for two years in an extreme right-wing group with links to bombings across Europe.

He left Thailand in 2015, and his departure was reported by many newspapers, including the Guardian, Bangkok Post, and the Sydney Morning Herald. He currently lives in UK

All this is how he bigs himself up, he did not discover Glitter in Vietnam that was a News of the Word reporter. He had one very minor award in 40 years in 1983 that does not even exist now. In 40 years there are only 35 articles published in the papers he boasts of working for. Some of those were co written and mostly tittle tattle sun, sea and sea types, no investigations. He is very good at one thing- self promotion.

11 minutes ago, visalady said:

This is revealing

Revealing indeed. What's revealing about it? I dont even have to open. I know Its all AI slop. If you want to continue posting Flowers AI videos carry on. You have twenty more to do. Even people here will get bored. The overall reaction to the videos is that they are they are absolute crap. He's going to have to buy some bot views from fiverr.com to get more viewers. Its only a few dollars for 10,.000. But the word is out. (Sent to Drummond by a reader who passed on his details to the complainant. - Screenshot_2026-05-09-09-53-50-44_a23b203fd3aafc6dcb84e438dda678b6

Edited May 24May 24 by Thai-Defender