2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

My reply to your reply :

Israel are legally allowed to patrol and police the waters

The legality of Israel's water patrols and naval blockade around Gaza is highly contested under international law, with experts and international bodies deeply divided on the issue. [1, 2, 3]

Arguments that the patrols are legal:

• Security & Blockade Rights: Under the international law of armed conflict, a belligerent state has the right to establish a naval blockade for security purposes to prevent weapons and contraband from reaching enemy combatants.

• The Palmer Report: A 2011 UN inquiry (the Palmer Report) concluded that Israel’s naval blockade was a legitimate security measure and its implementation complied with international law, provided the primary goal was stopping weapons.

• Warfare Rules: Under manuals such as the San Remo Manual, intercepting vessels suspected of breaching a legally declared blockade is considered a lawful method of warfare. [1, 2, 3]

Arguments that the patrols are illegal:

• Collective Punishment: Numerous human rights organizations and UN special rapporteurs argue the blockade—which restricts the movement of people and essential goods—constitutes collective punishment, which is prohibited under Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

• Law of Occupation: Several legal scholars contend that as the occupying power, Israel cannot legally impose a blockade on an occupied territory, making the enforcement mechanisms unlawful.

• International Waters: Human rights groups and legal experts maintain that Israel has no legal authority over Palestinian waters and that intercepting humanitarian aid or passenger ships in international waters violates the freedom of navigation guaranteed by the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). [1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6]

For a deeper look into the legal mechanics, refer to the UN Palmer Report Summary detailing the regional territorial controls or review the opposing Amnesty International Analysis regarding collective punishment and sieges. [1, 2]

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

The legality of Israel's water patrols and naval blockade around Gaza is highly contested under international law, with experts and international bodies deeply divided on the issue.

Contest it all you like, it doesn't change the fact that its a legal blockade by Israel

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Contest it all you like, it doesn't change the fact that its a legal blockade by Israel

Just because you say it's a legal blockade, doesn't make it so.

Starting in the early 1990s, Israel made it increasingly difficult for Palestinians and commercial goods to enter or leave Gaza, which along with the West Bank and East Jerusalem has been under Israeli military occupation since 1967. In 2007, following Hamas’ victory in parliamentary elections for the Palestinian Authority, Israel imposed a suffocating siege and naval blockade on Gaza that have been repeatedly condemned by the UN and rights groups as collective punishment of the entire population and illegal.

Collective punishment contravenes the Hague Conventions on the laws of war, as well as Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention, which states: “No protected person may be punished for an offence he or she has not personally committed.”

The siege and blockade devastated Gaza’s economy, which already suffered from decades of repressive Israeli restrictions, and turned Gaza into an impoverished open-air prison. As a senior advisor to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert explained in 2006, Israel’s policy in Gaza was “to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.”

https://imeu.org/resources/resources/fact-sheet-legal-status-of-israels-siege-blockade-of-gaza/152

5 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

As a senior advisor to Prime Minister Ehud Olmert explained in 2006, Israel’s policy in Gaza was “to put the Palestinians on a diet, but not to make them die of hunger.”

I think this policy has tightened since. Israel wants the Palestinians out.

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Just because you say it's a legal blockade, doesn't make it so.

Israel can legally blockade Gaza to stop Hamas aquiring weapons .

Those are the laws and rules , its NOT me saying it

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Israel can legally blockade Gaza to stop Hamas aquiring weapons .

Those are the laws and rules , its NOT me saying it

The legality of the blockade hinges on a strict balance between a state's right to defend itself against the flow of weapons and its obligation to ensure that the civilian population has access to essential survival items

Under international humanitarian law, blockades are unlawful if their sole purpose is to starve civilians. If the civilian population is inadequately supplied, the blockading party must allow the passage of relief consignments. Humanitarian organizations frequently raise concerns regarding restrictions and delays in aid entering the territory

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The legality of the blockade hinges on a strict balance between a state's right to defend itself against the flow of weapons and its obligation to ensure that the civilian population has access to essential survival items

Under international humanitarian law, blockades are unlawful if their sole purpose is to starve civilians. If the civilian population is inadequately supplied, the blockading party must allow the passage of relief consignments. Humanitarian organizations frequently raise concerns regarding restrictions and delays in aid entering the territory

Adequate supplies are indeed getting into Gaza though .

11 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I think this policy has tightened since. Israel wants the Palestinians out.

Yes, the whole World can see this policy, and Israel cannot cover up their lies any longer, they have failed to be considered a honest player in any of this.

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Adequate supplies are indeed getting into Gaza though .

Israel is tightly restricting the entry of aid and basic supplies into Gaza, worsening the already dire humanitarian conditions.

It's refused to allow in more food, fuel medicine and temporary housing despite agreeing to those terms in the October ceasefire.

On Sunday, 158 trucks entered the Strip but only 12 were carrying humanitarian supplies.

Under the ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas, at least 600 aid trucks were supposed to enter the Strip each day.

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Israel is tightly restricting the entry of aid and basic supplies into Gaza, worsening the already dire humanitarian conditions.

It's refused to allow in more food, fuel medicine and temporary housing despite agreeing to those terms in the October ceasefire.

On Sunday, 158 trucks entered the Strip but only 12 were carrying humanitarian supplies.

Under the ceasefire deal between Israel and Hamas, at least 600 aid trucks were supposed to enter the Strip each day.

We are talking about the law of the blockade and NOT the ceasefire deal .

The ceasefire deal is a different issue

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

We are talking about the law of the blockade and NOT the ceasefire deal .

The ceasefire deal is a different issue

The Duty to Allow Aid: Under the Fourth Geneva Convention and IHL principles, occupying powers are strictly prohibited from using starvation as a method of warfare and must allow the free passage of essential consignments intended for civilians. While a blockading party is not required to open its own land borders, it must facilitate relief operations.

Collective Punishment: International organizations, including the United Nations and the International Committee of the Red Cross, view the long-standing restrictions as a form of "collective punishment," which is prohibited under Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ): Following proceedings, the International Court of Justice issued an advisory opinion and provisional measures asserting that Israel, as the occupying power, is legally obligated to facilitate the delivery of adequate humanitarian supplies to Gaza and cannot impede UN operations.

The part that pro-Zionist Western media conveniently leaves out is that the flotilla was intercepted and the boat's crews and passengers where kidnapped in INTERNATIONAL WATERS south of Cyprus.

Israel is taking a page out of the United State's piracy playbook by intercepting boats in international waters, abducting people, and then taking them back to Israel to publicly abuse.

The entire West has scraped all semblance of international laws. Then Western media is confused as to why the majority of the world considers Israel, as well as the US, rogue states.

53 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

The Duty to Allow Aid: Under the Fourth Geneva Convention and IHL principles, occupying powers are strictly prohibited from using starvation as a method of warfare and must allow the free passage of essential consignments intended for civilians. While a blockading party is not required to open its own land borders, it must facilitate relief operations.

You made that point just before , my reply is the same as before :

Adequate supplies are getting into Gaza

29 minutes ago, connda said:

The part that pro-Zionist Western media conveniently leaves out is that the flotilla was intercepted and the boat's crews and passengers where kidnapped in INTERNATIONAL WATERS south of Cyprus.

Israel is taking a page out of the United State's piracy playbook by intercepting boats in international waters, abducting people, and then taking them back to Israel to publicly abuse.

The entire West has scraped all semblance of international laws. Then Western media is confused as to why the majority of the world considers Israel, as well as the US, rogue states.

They were on their way to commit a crime .

Odd that they got kidnapped last time and went back to get kidnapped again :)

14 hours ago, Yagoda said:

They cant. Europe is dependent on jewish brains, technology and arms as well as financing. LOL

Europe always has been dependent on jews. Thats why so much anti semtism there, its a chance to steal, like Europe does so well.

Calling Europe civilized LOL. Like they civilized folks with Maxim guns.

Or drove black women and children into the burning desert to die by the thousands.

Or hunted women and children for sport in Sarajevo.

Yeah, civilization LOL

I think you're right, Yag! They just found an Israeli smuggling four human embryos through Cyprus! They really do need Jewish brains! I guess the arms will grow in time.

Yag, let's not get into that whole 'hunting women and children for sport'--you know that's exactly what the IDF did in Gaza.

The only tech Israel has to sell is spy tech, just what the world needs! /s

That's what really burns me. Israel could be so great if they preferred peace to war.

3 minutes ago, unblocktheplanet said:

I think you're right, Yag! They just found an Israeli smuggling four human embryos through Cyprus! They really do need Jewish brains! I guess the arms will grow in time.

Reportedly permission to transfer the embryos was requested, but the transport took place before final approval

34 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Reportedly permission to transfer the embryos was requested, but the transport took place before final approval

Why would an Israeli worry about something being illegal or not, never bothered them on anything else that they deal with as they think laws only apply to other people.

7 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Why would an Israeli worry about something being illegal or not, never bothered them on anything else that they deal with as they think laws only apply to other people.

That could well be an Anti semitic post .

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

That could well be an Anti semitic post .

Stating facts against Israeli's unlawful behaviour is now antisemitic, who would have guessed.

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Stating facts against Israeli's unlawful behaviour is now antisemitic, who would have guessed.

What fact did you state ?

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

What fact did you state ?

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Reportedly permission to transfer the embryos was requested, but the transport took place before final approval

Authorities in northern Cyprus arrested a 24-year-old Israeli courier at Ercan Airport who was attempting to board a flight to Mexico via Istanbul. Investigators found that while a company connected to a local IVF clinic had applied for an official export permit, the transport attempt occurred before the Health Ministry granted final approval.

Following the arrest, local police raided the fertility center in Lefkoşa (northern Nicosia) and detained its director and a doctor. The suspects are facing charges for violating laws regarding the transplantation of human cells, tissues, and organs.

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Authorities in northern Cyprus arrested a 24-year-old Israeli courier at Ercan Airport who was attempting to board a flight to Mexico via Istanbul. Investigators found that while a company connected to a local IVF clinic had applied for an official export permit, the transport attempt occurred before the Health Ministry granted final approval.

Following the arrest, local police raided the fertility center in Lefkoşa (northern Nicosia) and detained its director and a doctor. The suspects are facing charges for violating laws regarding the transplantation of human cells, tissues, and organs.

You didn't post that , it was me who posted segments of that .

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

You didn't post that , it was me who posted segments of that .

Yes, and it was me who commented on it.

4 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

Yes, and it was me who commented on it.

Yeah....................I know

You suggesting that Jews/Israelis think laws only apply to other people could well be anti sematic

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

Yeah....................I know

You suggesting that Jews/Israelis think laws only apply to other people could well be anti sematic

So why ask the question?

Do you really think anyone who objects to Jewish/Israeli unlawfulness is bothered by the standard accusation of antisemitism levelled at them?

3 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

So why ask the question?

Do you really think anyone who objects to Jewish/Israeli unlawfulness is bothered by the standard accusation of antisemitism levelled at them?

Jews unlawfulness is not a fact though , its just your Anti Sematic opinion

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Jews unlawfulness is not a fact though , its just your Anti Sematic opinion

I said Jewish/Israeli unlawfulness, not just Jews.

So I put this into Goggle: What international laws has Israel broken to date?

International bodies, including the International Court of Justice and the United Nations, have concluded that Israel is in breach of several core tenets of international law, primarily regarding its prolonged occupation of Palestinian territories, conduct in military conflicts, and the treatment of civilian populations.

Specific legal frameworks and determinations identified by these institutions include:

Violations of International Humanitarian Law:

Collective Punishment: The Geneva Conventions (Article 33 of the Fourth Geneva Convention) strictly prohibit collective penalties. Independent experts and human rights organizations have repeatedly accused Israel of breaching this law by imposing complete sieges and carrying out mass destruction of property.

Settlements: The transfer of an occupying power's civilian population into occupied territory is explicitly classified as a war crime under Geneva Convention IV, Article 49. The ongoing expansion of Israeli settlements in the West Bank and East Jerusalem has been deemed a continuous violation of this provision.

Violations of International Human Rights Law:

Apartheid and Discrimination: In landmark findings, various United Nations committees and international human rights groups have concluded that Israel’s systemic fragmentation of territory and dual legal systems in the West Bank amount to the crime of Apartheid under the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid.

Fundamental Freedoms: Policies such as extensive land confiscation, systemic movement restrictions (e.g., checkpoints, the West Bank barrier), and discriminatory access to essential resources like water have been ruled violations of the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights.

International Court of Justice (ICJ) Findings:

In a landmark ICJ Advisory Opinion, the court found Israel’s continued presence in the Occupied Palestinian Territory to be unlawful, demanding that Israel end its occupation, cease the transfer of settlers, and make reparations for internationally wrongful acts. The ICJ has also imposed binding provisional measures on Israel to prevent acts falling under the Genocide Convention in the context of hostilities. While Israel maintains that its military actions adhere to international law and that it is exercising its right to self-defence against armed actors, the consensus among global legal experts and international tribunals largely considers these acts as violations of established customary and treaty-based law.

6 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

I said Jewish/Israeli unlawfulness, not just Jews.

So I put this into Goggle: What international laws has Israel broken to date?

Write it yourself .

Its too much for me to reply to such a large wall of text .

7 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

The only tech Israel has to sell is spy tech, just what the world needs!

Got it.

https://www.defensenews.com/global/mideast-africa/2025/12/17/germany-to-increase-arrow-3-interceptor-and-launcher-deal-with-israel/

Look at that. The Germans relying on jews for defense. hahahahahahahahah

5 hours ago, Jeff the Chef said:

So I put this into Goggle: What international laws has Israel broken to date?

Got it. You couldnt tell us yourself.