2 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

You've mentioned one already. There's also the two boys who weren't jailed for the awful rape of the young girl. The lovely white man that killed his girlfriend's child. How about the doting boyfriend who killed his girlfriend? How about the nice white man who raped the Sikh lady? What about the nice trio of white men that gang raped a 12 year old girl?

Is that enough or do you need more?

Whataboutism again. Don't start nonsense like that. I could start posting about who murdered lee Rigby, who murdered the 3 little Angels in Southport , who killed 20+ kids at a concert in Manchester, who killed 3 innocents in Nottingham remind us of there skin coulor of the individuals. Im not talking about rapes were talking about severe crimes with knives where lives were lost, and the coulour of the culprits.

29 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Whataboutism again. Don't start nonsense like that. I could start posting about who murdered lee Rigby, who murdered the 3 little Angels in Southport , who killed 20+ kids at a concert in Manchester, who killed 3 innocents in Nottingham remind us of there skin coulor of the individuals. Im not talking about rapes were talking about severe crimes with knives where lives were lost, and the coulour of the culprits.

You asked a question. I gave you the answer. I could have mentioned Hungerford or Dunblane. I could have mentioned Colin Pitchfork, Levi Belfield, Stephen Wright. I could have mentioned Fred West, Roy Whiting or Denis Neilson but I didn't as you initially inserted the rord "recently" into the conversation.

The truth is, you asked for instances of white people committing serious offenses. Now you say rape is not a severe crime. To say that in an attempt to nullify some crimes I mentioned is sickening and really shows you in your true colours of trying to keep to your own agenda. Pity on you to suggest such a thing.

Edited June 6Jun 6 by youreavinalaff

46 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Behave yourself Nick of course people don't use words like that today. However Racism is still common in football.

No. Today the names they use are much worse.

4 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Behave yourself Nick of course people don't use words like that today. However Racism is still common in football.

Racism isn't common on football .

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8 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Calling people, "golliwogs" ?

Its that "famous" scouse sense of humour .

Take your scouse sense of humour to places like Peckham in London and call them golliwogs , tell them you're scousers and just having laugh , see how you get one .

What an absolutely bizarre post "see how I get one" what are you talking about "one what" a golliwog?

5 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

No. Today the names they use are much worse.

"sticks and stone shall break my bones but names will never hurt me" I learnt that when i was about 5 years old

5 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

You asked a question. I gave you the answer. I could have mentioned Hungerford or Dunblane. I could have mentioned Colin Pitchfork, Levi Belfield, Stephen Wright. I could have mentioned Fred West, Roy Whiting or Denis Neilson but I didn't as you initially inserted the rord "recently" into the conversation.

The truth is, you asked for instances of white people committing serious offenses. Now you say rape is not a severe crime. To say that in an attempt to nullify some crimes I mentioned is sickening and really shows you in your true colours of trying to keep to your own agenda. Pity on you to suggest such a thing.

What a ridiculous argument nobody is suggesting that crimes are not committed by white people , But the merest mention of non whites committing crime never fails to upset people like you, There is good and bad in ALL people . Whites are not all angels and, although the concept may shock you, neither are non whites

6 hours ago, youreavinalaff said:

You asked a question. I gave you the answer. I could have mentioned Hungerford or Dunblane. I could have mentioned Colin Pitchfork, Levi Belfield, Stephen Wright. I could have mentioned Fred West, Roy Whiting or Denis Neilson but I didn't as you initially inserted the rord "recently" into the conversation.

The truth is, you asked for instances of white people committing serious offenses. Now you say rape is not a severe crime. To say that in an attempt to nullify some crimes I mentioned is sickening and really shows you in your true colours of trying to keep to your own agenda. Pity on you to suggest such a thing.

Regarding the above heinous crimes committed by white people, Please could you now remind us in how many of the the cases you mentioned ,was there a reluctance to fully investigate on the part of the authorities for fear of upsetting white racial sensitivities, How many white people were forced to resign for their part in the cover-up ?

And, at the time these crimes hit the headlines was there any mention 0f similar crimes historically committed by non whites in order to avoid looking "racist" and provide "balance" of course not

Just look through the threads on this forum , every time a tourist steps out of line , especially a Brit , the forum lights up in righteous indignation, and outrage. White folk seem to enjoy self flagellation. so any suggestion that crimes committed by whites are ever routinely covered up or ignored anywhere is totally ridiculous,

But crimes committed by non whites, well that's a different matter though isn't it.? sensitivities need to be considered , egg shells need to be walked on , "community leaders" need to be consulted , and people like you get a bit touchy and uncomfortable

Demonstrated perfectly yet again, following this awful murder

14 hours ago, Smokey and the Bandit said:

Oh, delightful.

The classic "if you point out a documented institutional failure I don't like, you must be a raging racist" card. How refreshing. It must be incredibly comfortable living in a world where complex operational paralysis can be swept under the rug as "absolute twaddle" because it doesn’t fit neatly into your pre-packaged ideological worldview.

Let's pause for a moment of silence for the sheer irony of you accusing anyone of avoiding facts while you completely hand-wave away the Jay Report, the Rochdale Inquiry, and the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) as just a "handful of issues."

Brilliant. I’m sure the thousands of victims in Rotherham, Rochdale, and Telford will be thrilled to know their decades of systemic abandonment by terrified, hand-wringing bureaucrats were just a minor blip—nothing to disrupt your preferred narrative, of course.

Nobody is disputing the Macpherson or Casey reports; the Met Police’s deep-seated structural issues are well-documented. But thank you for the comprehensive reading list anyway.

The glaring, spectacular blind spot in your argument is the inability to grasp a simple, dual reality: it is entirely possible for a police force to suffer from legacy institutional racism while simultaneously harboring an operational fear of being labeled racist that paralyzes their decision-making on the street.

This isn't a "white guys are the real victims" sob story.

This is about a documented, systemic neurosis where officers are so terrified of triggering an identity-politics firestorm that they default to caution, treat a non-white perpetrator's malicious lies as gospel, and leave a dying man handcuffed on his stomach.

But hey, why look at the catastrophic failure of basic operational common sense when you can just scream "echo chamber" and pretend the authorities haven't spent the last two decades admitting—in black and white—that the fear of a "racist" label completely distorts their ability to do their jobs?

Enough of the pearl-clutching. No one is 'hand waving away' the Jay Report, the Rochdale Inquiry, and the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA) - of course they were wrong, of course heads should roll and I'm sure 'operational fear of being labeled racist' played a part in these situations. However I do not see it the same with the tragic case of Henry Nowak. I see police officers responding to what they initially thought was a racist incident (Digwa's brother made the initial 999 call saying exactly this), they then didn't notice how bad Nowak's injuries were (easy to condemn now with the benefit of hindsight) and handcuffing the poor lad. But I also saw it rectified as soon as it was understood how bad his injuries were. Could they have been quicker - absolutely. Could they have done more when he told them he was stabbed - again absolutely. Were there mistakes because they didn't want to come across as racist - now there's where the leap goes olympian.

But for me the attempt to make political capital (yet again) out of these henious events is where it crosses the line.

I don't think I've seen quite as much salivating from the right at a tragedy as I have with Henry Nowak (maybe close second to Axel Rudakubana). Despite clear instructions from his father to not use his son's death to "create further division, hatred or tension", you have the likes of Farage doing exactly that with his instructions to the public to respond with "pure cold rage" and to date 11 people have been arrested in the ensuing 'protests' (less protest and more hooligan in nature) in Southampton. How you cannot see (or don't want to see) how the likes of Farage and Yaxley-Lennon (and now Musk, JD Vance, Hegseth and the rest of the MAGA goons) are incentivised both monetarily and politically to continue to sow division and mistrust in the UK is just willful ignorance and you and many posters on this thread are no better than these guys by buying into the propaganda with such unhealthy zeal. Just on this thread alone you and many others are trying their level best to paint the whole of the UK police force as some sort of trembling, sycophantic institution, scared to act in accordance to the law when it comes to dealing with minorities. You even post memes about 'being afraid to be called racist' verses a very weird choice of 'saving western civilisation' (drama queen much). It's this kind of incendiary rhetoric that over-simplifies a nuanced subject and confirms yours and many posters here extreme bias.

There is obviously a need for the police to try and balance their attitudes to minorities after decades of reported racism whilst still upholding the law. And I'm sure they will get it wrong at times but I would prefer a police force that at least tries to understand ALL nationalities, religions and ethnicity to one where minority groups are 7 times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people and where black nationals are 50% more likely to receive a custodial jail sentence than white individuals.

Tragedies such as Henry Nowak need to be used to improve policing in the UK and NOT to incite further division, mistrust and hysteria.

Can we at least agree on that?

3 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

What a ridiculous argument nobody is suggesting that crimes are not committed by white people , But the merest mention of non whites committing crime never fails to upset people like you, There is good and bad in ALL people . Whites are not all angels and, although the concept may shock you, neither are non whites

2 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Regarding the above heinous crimes committed by white people, Please could you now remind us in how many of the the cases you mentioned ,was there a reluctance to fully investigate on the part of the authorities for fear of upsetting white racial sensitivities, How many white people were forced to resign for their part in the cover-up ?

And, at the time these crimes hit the headlines was there any mention 0f similar crimes historically committed by non whites in order to avoid looking "racist" and provide "balance" of course not

Just look through the threads on this forum , every time a tourist steps out of line , especially a Brit , the forum lights up in righteous indignation, and outrage. White folk seem to enjoy self flagellation. so any suggestion that crimes committed by whites are ever routinely covered up or ignored anywhere is totally ridiculous,

But crimes committed by non whites, well that's a different matter though isn't it.? sensitivities need to be considered , egg shells need to be walked on , "community leaders" need to be consulted , and people like you get a bit touchy and uncomfortable

Demonstrated perfectly yet again, following this awful murder

As usual you've failed to address the whole point. Look at the comments trail to see the comments I replied to. You missed the whole point of my replies to try to twist things. Your comments therefore are inane.

The one comment I made that answers your questions, you ignored. If it wasn't so sad, it might be humorous.

Edited June 7Jun 7 by youreavinalaff

Before we go totally off Topic Avinalaugh will you Accept Digwa tried the Racism card to try and defend his murderes attack and lies ?

14 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Before we go totally off Topic Avinalaugh will you Accept Digwa tried the Racism card to try and defend his murderes attack and lies.

From what I've seen of the trial and subsequent sentencing, it would seem he did.

Glad you accept it now we can move on.

16 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Glad you accept it now we can move on.

It's funny you say that as I've never suggested anything to the contrary. As with many that commit crime, they'll lie to try and get away with it.

Now, have you ever made a post regarding a serious crime committed by a white British person?

Edited June 7Jun 7 by youreavinalaff

49 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Before we go totally off Topic Avinalaugh will you Accept Digwa tried the Racism card to try and defend his murderes attack and lies ?

Yes he did.

And he was still found guilty, still sentenced to over 20 years in prison.

2 hours ago, johnnybangkok said:

There is obviously a need for the police to try and balance their attitudes to minorities after decades of reported racism

There absolutely is not ! that's now widely accepted as the very root of the problem by all but the lefties

6 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

There absolutely is not ! that's now widely accepted as the very root of the problem by all but the lefties

You don't think authorities should have balanced attitudes? How strange.

Edited June 7Jun 7 by youreavinalaff

6 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

What an absolutely bizarre post "see how I get one" what are you talking about "one what" a golliwog?

I did mean "get on"

You seemed to be OK giving racial abuse to kids at school .

Bullying them ?

Try it today and they give a response .

Is that why you stopped giving racial abuse ?

The bullied kids started hitting back ?

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yes he did.

And he was still found guilty, still sentenced to over 20 years in prison.

I was thinking it should have been more like 60 years, to match the 60 years he deprived Henry of. In reality its purely academic, he is a high profile inmate now and he is currently totally alone, he will be a sought after target ,

He will be offered protection by the authorities initially but they cant watch him 24/7 He'll be lucky to last 12 months He might get the protection of the Muslim Brotherhood that would be his only chance but he'd have to convert

17 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

It's funny you say that as I've never suggested anything to the contrary. As with many that commit crime, they'll lie to try and get away with it.

Now, have you ever made a post regarding a serious crime committed by a white British person?

Give it a rest and move forward on the Topic.

9 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Give it a rest and move forward on the Topic.

Thank you so much for highlighting the issues within society, and particularly in law, of people not being able to answer straight questions for fear of being found out.

Edited June 7Jun 7 by youreavinalaff

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

I did mean "get on"

You seemed to be OK giving racial abuse to kids at school .

Bullying them ?

Try it today and they give a response .

Is that why you stopped giving racial abuse ?

The bullied kids started hitting back ?

Yes that's exactly how it went down, I even erected a burning cross in my garden, but I had to take it down for heath and safety reasons,

6 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I was thinking it should have been more like 60 years, to match the 60 years he deprived Henry of. In reality its purely academic, he is a high profile inmate now and he is currently totally alone, he will be a sought after target ,

He will be offered protection by the authorities initially but they cant watch him 24/7 He'll be lucky to last 12 months He might get the protection of the Muslim Brotherhood that would be his only chance but he'd have to convert

In one Bday he will now be in protection. Even in prison they have a code and anyone that is high profile like Huntly, Rudakubana , Abedi , are all Targets noe Digwa will be on there list. It doesn't matter if they will be killed inside its when. It took 22 years to get to Huntly before his punishment was dished out. It's seen as a honour to take a beast out within the prison justice system. First given the chance he will get the hot kettle treatment, for anyone who doesn't know what this is its suger boiled in a kettle then its thrown in the face of the beast.

1 minute ago, youreavinalaff said:

Thank you so much for highlighting the issues within society, and particularly in law, of people not being able to answer straight questions for fear of being found out.

FFS Your like a dog with a bone nobody is going to found out your just flaming now, move on.

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

In one Bday he will now be in protection. Even in prison they have a code and anyone that is high profile like Huntly, Rudakubana , Abedi , are all Targets noe Digwa will be on there list. It doesn't matter if they will be killed inside its when. It took 22 years to get to Huntly before his punishment was dished out. It's seen as a honour to take a beast out within the prison justice system. First given the chance he will get the hot kettle treatment, for anyone who doesn't know what this is its suger boiled in a kettle then its thrown in the face of the beast.

was watching some big geordie jailbirds you tube channel last night, he was spelling out how it would go down I certainly wouldn't swap places with that sikh now , come to think of it I wouldn't have swapped places with him before either.

22 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I was thinking it should have been more like 60 years, to match the 60 years he deprived Henry of. In reality its purely academic, he is a high profile inmate now and he is currently totally alone, he will be a sought after target ,

He will be offered protection by the authorities initially but they cant watch him 24/7 He'll be lucky to last 12 months He might get the protection of the Muslim Brotherhood that would be his only chance but he'd have to convert

When deciding on sentencing follows the sentencing guidelines, set by the Sentencing Council.

Your fantasy of what might happen in prison is just that.

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Yes that's exactly how it went down, I even erected a burning cross in my garden, but I had to take it down for heath and safety reasons,

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

When deciding on sentencing follows the sentencing guidelines, set by the Sentencing Council.

Your fantasy of what might happen in prison is just that.

Well Huntly might of thought he was safe in his Cell or Ian Watkins the baby rapist was took out in Wakefield prison felt he was safe, or was that a fantasy Chomper.

Edited June 7Jun 7 by BarraMarra

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

When deciding on sentencing follows the sentencing guidelines, set by the Sentencing Council.

Thank you for the information re sentencing guidelines not quite sure why you felt obliged ( do you feel better for that)

Plenty of prisoners come to a "sticky " end , forgive the pun not a "fantasy" a distinct possibility

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Thank you for the information re sentencing guidelines not quite sure why you felt obliged ( do you feel better for that)

Plenty of prisoners come to a "sticky " end , forgive the pun not a "fantasy" a distinct possibility

I thought you might appreciate me disabusing you of your 60 year sentence grievance, which you are obviously hoping would in any case be cut short by some lag doing what’s necessary to rebalance the world for you.

Edited June 7Jun 7 by Chomper Higgot