3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Therefore taboo2 was entirely correct and your attempt at deflection to ww2 was completely unnecessary.

It was your mate taboo who first brought up WWII. Nick was merely pointing out the fallacy and the lies of such a ridiculous statement.

The cops were too afraid to help their own race and did not want to upset people who have not shed blood for the UK in prior wars.

And here I am, agreeing with Nick....

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Stop going off Topic Nick.

Tell Taboo and baansgr please.

Edited June 2Jun 2 by josephbloggs

19 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

There's just ever so slight a difference between a man being killed by a police officer by kneeling on his neck for nine and a half minutes while he was handcuffed, face down, subdued, and almost begging for his life, with the same police officer refusing to allow medical attention to be rendered. And this case in which police made a mistake in difficult circumstances then realised their error within a minute or so. There was no deliberate killing by the police here.

The slight difference here was police kneeling on his neck for 15 minutes and the victim called the police on himself.

Where's the global outrage? 🤔

I am rather stunned at how this incident played out. Basic police response dictates if the suspect or victim require immediate medical attention then request one to respond Code 3( lights and sirens). Sometimes the suspect turns out to be the victim and vice versa after all the facts are known. The golden rule about people is "They lie and lie even after the facts are presented". A sad outcome. I don't know about civil laws in the UK but the family of this young man should "sue the hell out the police". This is coming from a retired American police officer.

43 minutes ago, Taboo2 said:

The cops were too afraid to help their own race and did not want to upset people who have not shed blood for the UK in prior wars.

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Therefore taboo2 was entirely correct and your attempt at deflection to ww2 was completely unnecessary.

You are stating that taboo2 was entirely correct that no Sikhs have shed blood in prior wars ?

You don't have facts on your side , you are both wrong.( and BTW, it wasn't me who deflected to prior wars , I just replied)

20 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

There's just ever so slight a difference between a man being killed by a police officer by kneeling on his neck for nine and a half minutes while he was handcuffed, face down, subdued, and almost begging for his life, with the same police officer refusing to allow medical attention to be rendered. And this case in which police made a mistake in difficult circumstances then realised their error within a minute or so. There was no deliberate killing by the police here.

Can you genuinely not understand the difference? Or are you just another one to jump on anything to sow division?

It was a terrible tragedy, and the killer is now going to spend his life behind bars.

I agree its a terrible tragedy and the murderer will spend some time behind bars, not his whole life though, its a minimum of 21 years, then he can can be considered for parole. As he is only 23 he will be out walking free!

My post was about the media attention primarily.

The core issue isn't denying factual differences — Floyd involved prolonged, active restraint by an officer that directly caused death on a subdued suspect, while Nowak involved police errors in a chaotic knife crime scene (handcuffing a bleeding victim for ~1-2 minutes based on the perpetrator's false racism claim before realizing the mistake).

However, the massive media disparity (global Floyd obsession vs. muted Nowak coverage) isn't explained by those procedural differences alone: similar "I can't breathe" pleas from a dying white teen, police prioritizing a minority suspect's narrative over immediate life-saving aid, and a brutal unprovoked murder by a knife-carrying attacker received nowhere near the sustained outrage, protests, or "systemic" reckoning. This selective amplification reveals narrative-driven incentives more than consistent concern for excessive force or preventable deaths, regardless of intent.

The basic facts so far and shown on Camera is the now murderer claiming he was the victim of a racialy attack and the Police were more interested in arresting a boy who had suffered 5 stab wounds rather than calling for an Ambulance they were more interested in cuffing him and reading his rights not once did the attacker tell the police even though he was stood at the scene tell the officers he stabbed him.

35 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Asking you to provide evidence to substantiate claims you make is not being an apologist for anyone.

Let’s have your evidence for the claims you make that mitigate the killer’s culpability for the death of his victim.

You are trying to excuse/minimize the actions of police ignoring a stab victim's pleas for help and instead handcuffing him as he bled to death. Your justification is that he might have died anyway.

Are there any depths you will not sink to?

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

The basic facts so far and shown on Camera is the now murderer claiming he was the victim of a racialy attack and the Police were more interested in arresting a boy who had suffered 5 stab wounds rather than calling for an Ambulance they were more interested in cuffing him and reading his rights not once did the attacker tell the police even though he was stood at the scene tell the officers he stabbed him.

Yerr but ow many Sikhs were at the D-Day landings in 1944...........😏

18 minutes ago, GanDoonToonPet said:

The slight difference here was police kneeling on his neck for 15 minutes and the victim called the police on himself.

Where's the global outrage? 🤔

I don't know.

Where was the global outrage over the killing of Kenneth Chamberlain? There is an absolutely chilling documentary about it which has all the body cam. No global outrage.

What was your point again?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MSnZcjwLYw&t=43s

29 minutes ago, baansgr said:

A poster said fighting for UK....not India, Africa or the far east...so tell me, how many Sikhs fought at D Day and how many were in the waffen ss...you really should know your history before making such comments

Sikh troops were not deployed in the D-Day landings, they did however fight with distinction in North Africa and throughout the Italian campaign.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

let him bleed out

He would have bled out anyway.

He racially taunted the wrong man, and was taught a lesson.

2 minutes ago, Packer said:

He would have bled out anyway.

He racially taunted the wrong man, and was taught a lesson.

There is no evidence the victim racially taunted his killer.

17 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You are trying to excuse/minimize the actions of police ignoring a stab victim's pleas for help and instead handcuffing him as he bled to death. Your justification is that he might have died anyway.

Are there any depths you will not sink to?

Medical reports stated that he definitely would have died even if the Police had immediately responded to him .

The Police got it wrong , no one is claiming otherwise

12 minutes ago, Packer said:

He would have bled out anyway.

He racially taunted the wrong man, and was taught a lesson.

Finally some honesty from a lefty poster.

Higgot and co. could learn a lot from you.

11 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Medical reports stated that he definitely would have died even if the Police had immediately responded to him .

The Police got it wrong , no one is claiming otherwise

So what?

If i see a man bleeding to death on the pavement should I try to help him or drag him along the floor, tie him up and call him a liar?

"Whats the problem? He would have died anyway your honor".

Pathetic.

5 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Finally some honesty from a lefty poster.

Higgot and co. could learn a lot from you.

Did you understand the post which you were replying to ?

Read his post again

3 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

So what?

If i see a man bleeding to death on the pavement should I try to help him or drag him along the floor, tie him up and call him a liar?

"Whats the problem? He would have died anyway your honor".

Pathetic.

The Police acted wrongly , no one is claiming otherwise .

The Police should have checked on the deceased well being immediately .

But saying that, even if they did check on his well being immediately , it wouldn't have saved his life

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There is no evidence the victim racially taunted his killer.

Ummm. The video on his phone says differently.

Nowak then began to film Digwa. Video recovered from Nowak's phone captured Nowak saying "Hello car" and singing to himself before yawning, while Digwa was walking away from him. Nowak then continued to say: "Innit bad man, what bad man. You're a bad man, say you're a bad man, go on."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Henry_Nowak

"Characters in Indian films use the English words "bad man" to mock a rival or menacing villain. The catchphrase originated from his breakout, scene-stealing role as the villain Kesariya Vilayati (also known as "Bad Man") in the 1989 hit film Ram Lakhan. Since then, the exact English words "Bad Man" have been used by his characters—and parodied by others across hundreds of movies—as a signature sign-off to taunt or mock rivals."

45 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Did you understand the post which you were replying to ?

Read his post again

Yes he is being honest about what he thinks of the case. He is happy it happened like many anti white racists. A form of revenge for colonialism or slavery or whatever you guys use to excuse these crimes.

I am applauding him for having the honesty to come out and say it unlike you and Higgot hiding behind lame excuses for the police and "he'd have died anyway".

Hope that clears things up for you.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

If i see a man bleeding to death

The police didn't see any blood. No blood was visible. There was no visible indication of any kind of wound. Should they publicly strip search people that appear to have fallen off a small wall?

4 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Those police officers need to be jailed.

They will be cleared of all charges, you can already see it being set up in the UK injustice system.

The assumption by police is that white Britons are racist liars, and non-white citizens are all victims. Take it from there. The pleas that "I've been stabbed," are followed by the police response, "I don't think so."

In the UK it seems that the accusation of racial epitaphs are more serious to UK police than the pleas for assistance by a murder victim - in fact the murder victim's claims are so discounted that he's handcuffed as he is dying. The kid was white so it is assumed his is a racist liar. The kid therefore is allowed to die. In the UK I guess that is justice served. The UK bureaucracy will want to sweep this under the rug as fast as possible and get back to arresting white Britons for racist language considering that white Briton are now considered to be guilty and in need of arrest if accused by any non-white. Nothing will change although it desperately needs to change.

Even though I was raised there as a kid post WWII - back when it was sane - you couldn't pay me to go to the UK now. I've got the wrong skin color.

Edited June 2Jun 2 by connda

9 minutes ago, connda said:

They will be cleared of all charges, you can already see it being set up in the UK injustice system.

The assumption by police is that white Britons are racist liars, and non-white citizens are all victims. Take it from there. The pleas that "I've been stabbed," are followed by the police response, "I don't think so."

In the UK it seems that the accusation of racial epitaphs are more serious to UK police than the pleas for assistance by a murder victim - in fact the murder victim's claims are so discounted that he's handcuffed as he is dying. The kid was white so it is assumed his is a racist liar. The kid therefore is allowed to die. In the UK I guess that is justice served. The UK bureaucracy will want to sweep this under the rug as fast as possible and get back to arresting white Britons for racist language considering that white Briton are now considered to be guilty and in need of arrest if accused by any non-white. Nothing will change although it desperately needs to change.

Even though I was raised there as a kid post WWII - back when it was sane - you couldn't pay me to go to the UK now. I've got the wrong skin color.

Yet more grievance mongering laced with wild baseless claims.

On the upside, nobody is ever going to pay you to go back to the UK.

You’ll go of your own volition when you need nanny to take care of you.

Dying for diversity hopefully Rupert Lowe' will Restore our blood soaked land.

55 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Yes he is being honest about what he thinks of the case. He is happy it happened like many anti white racists. A form of revenge for colonialism or slavery or whatever you guys use to excuse these crimes.

I am applauding him for having the honesty to come out and say it unlike you and Higgot hiding behind lame excuses for the police and "he'd have died anyway".

Hope that clears things up for you.

You don't seem to be able to understand .

Medic sy his injuries were so severe that he really would have died anyway , are you disagreeing with the medics ?

Are you claiming that he would have survived if the Police assisted him immediately ?

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Yet more grievance mongering laced with wild baseless claims.

On the upside, nobody is ever going to pay you to go back to the UK.

You’ll go of your own volition when you need nanny to take care of you.

I'm an America dude. I attended school there as an adolescent. America doesn't have public health care. So no, I will not be going there "of your own volition when you need nanny to take care of you." Nor will I be going to America. I live here, I'll die here. It's better that the s***-hole the West has become.

4 hours ago, impulse said:

So how do you 'splain the fact that the actual killer wasn't handcuffed?

He said his son died “humiliated and handcuffed” while the man responsible for the attack was treated with dignity.

The family highlighted the contrast between the treatment of the victim and the killer, noting that Digwa was not handcuffed and was reportedly even allowed to choose food while in custody.

I mean, other than 2 tier enforcement?

Two-tier policing is effectively Herbert Marcuse's Repressive Tolerence (RT) in action (from the Frankfurt School). It's a tactic from the Marxist playbook. Dominant ethnic cultures in the West and Western civilisation itself can be effectively overthrown by a coalition of oppressed minorities.

RT involves championing all minority opinions and actions in minority groups while at the same excluding unequivocally anything Conservative, anything indicative of the dominant ethnocultural group or tradition.

3 minutes ago, connda said:

I'm an America dude. I attended school there as an adolescent. America doesn't have public health care. So no, I will not be going there "of your own volition when you need nanny to take care of you." Nor will I be going to America. I live here, I'll die here. It's better that the s***-hole the West has become.

My apologies.

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

Yes he is being honest about what he thinks of the case. He is happy it happened like many anti white racists. A form of revenge for colonialism or slavery or whatever you guys use to excuse these crimes.

I am applauding him for having the honesty to come out and say it unlike you and Higgot hiding behind lame excuses for the police and "he'd have died anyway".

Hope that clears things up for you.

Its sickening that Packer is happy that a person got murdered.

Whatever his political beliefs, he shouldn't be happy that person got killed .

He really does need to evaluate himself .

I do not agree with him on that

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

It was reported that it was a fatal stabbing and even immediate assistance from the Police wouldn't have saved Nowak .

Nowak would have died even if the Police had assisted him immediately

Reported by? Anyway, that is not the point, especially of this OP. The point is that the immediate danger to Henry was not identified/reported by anyone and no first aid was attempted. If the emergency call info given had been honest, with a specific request for ambulance/paramedics, then at least Henry might have had a chance.