6 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

I do not disagree that the USA, particularly the northeastern part of the USA, was once a great place to live.

During the past 60 years, social and demographic change has been immense.

The USA is now a very different country than it once was.

I prefer the country that the USA once was.

That country no longer exists.

RIP

The old age argument that has been repeated since the beginning of time. The USA is different and it will be different than it is now 30 years from now. The murder rate in the USA is lower than it has ever been and it isn't even close vs 1980 and 1990. It is 50% lower. Life is extremely peaceful vs the past and all races and genders have close to equal opportunity.

It is just different and I also enjoyed the USA 60 years ago when it was dropping Napalm on the Vietnamese and blacks had to use seperate public toilets. Nice that we no longer do this anymore but it was a different time.

26 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

That's good but a large majority here aren't happy, and the lifestyle shows it. Well known how the men treat their women, and that's not a prerequisite for happiness, as well as how the religion looks at them. If you're treating your women well, as it seems, she is lucky as her options here aren't great, which is one reason I'm moving with my daughter.

A future usually includes a mate, and although men aren't great in all areas of the world, there's a reputation here that's factual. I heard about it when I was in high school, and see it here since moving here.

My daughter's going to be a looker, and that's another reason i want her to have a good education in a safer school where her independence means a lot more. Not needing a man but eventually wanting a decent one.

Women here who like being a farmer seem to be content, although no one really knows how they're being treated at home but them, but a farm usually means teamwork between husband and wife. That again doesn't mean he's a gentleman, but that he's more likely to stay at home with the family. Those that hit the cities have unlimited women to choose from, and use, especially the young naive ones.

I'd much rather have my daughter taking a chance with a western man, even though I know many can't be trusted, than trying her luck here, with one that's much more likely to disappear when a child is born, and not support it afterwards.

Making 300-500 baht a day isn't anything besides surviving, and even if they go to college, many still end up with low paying jobs, which means dependence on others. In America, she will make more every hour then most here will in a week. Even though things cost more there, there's still a larger chance for savings there.

Like I mentioned a few times, when a 72 year old Thai English school owner in the system for 50 years says it's better for my daughter in America than here, it adds to the decision.

Your view of what's available for your daughter is shewed by your surroundings. Girls here at my kids school are being accepted at Bangkok Unis for degrees such as chemical engineering, pharmacy, dentistry, business, comp science and on and on. The unis here have international programs. The families are business owners, professionals.....not 500 baht a day laborers.

As for thinking about a spouse for your daughter. Our school is filled with foreigner boys. The Thai boys are the richie rich kids.

I've had discussions with my kid about salaries in Thailand. She knows that for herself 50K/mo for a single person is required for a comfortable lifestyle. With the right major in college that should be attainable starting out.

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Our school is filled with foreigner boys. The Thai boys are the richie rich kids.

This would be an international school right?

1 minute ago, Off Piste said:

This would be an international school right?

No, an EP school. Math and science is taught separately in english and Thai, with of course English. Health is English only.

Edited June 28Jun 28 by EVENKEEL

3 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Your view of what's available for your daughter is shewed by your surroundings. Girls here at my kids school are being accepted at Bangkok Unis for degrees such as chemical engineering, pharmacy, dentistry, business, comp science and on and on. The unis here have international programs. The families are business owners, professionals.....not 500 baht a day laborers.

As for thinking about a spouse for your daughter. Our school is filled with foreigner boys. The Thai boys are the richie rich kids.

I've had discussions with my kid about salaries in Thailand. She knows that for herself 50K/mo for a single person is required for a comfortable lifestyle. With the right major in college that should be attainable starting out.

Yes, some get by here okay if they go to college. Some are lucky and find decent, working husbands. Some. I've known Thais for decades, talked with the ones who opened many restaurants in America. All told how their and others they knew lives were here. All will never go back and are happy their children are living in America. Some stay in Thailand and do well.

America has much more opportunities for children, especially girls. I sent links of what happens here in school. There are many more reputable ones I read for years now. These aren't made up nor skewed but facts.

Besides the school owner I mentioned, I have talked to 7 more English teachers here, some he hired, and one was my daughter's English teacher at another close school. All said the same things. Your daughter will do much better in America. These are Thais and foreign teachers who've lived here all their lives or decades.

Besides the facts about my daughter's future, mine will also be better as I can live in a country without worries about border shelling, enjoy my hobbies, enjoy everything America has , all countries food in one place, and safer driving for myself and my daughter also, as Thailand is one of the most dangerous driving places on earth, and that won't change.

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Yes, some get by here okay if they go to college. Some are lucky and find decent, working husbands. Some. I've known Thais for decades, talked with the ones who opened many restaurants in America. All told how their and others they knew lives were here. All will never go back and are happy their children are living in America. Some stay in Thailand and do well.

America has much more opportunities for children, especially girls. I sent links of what happens here in school. There are many more reputable ones I read for years now. These aren't made up nor skewed but facts.

Besides the school owner I mentioned, I have talked to 7 more English teachers here, some he hired, and one was my daughter's English teacher at another close school. All said the same things. Your daughter will do much better in America. These are Thais and foreign teachers who've lived here all their lives or decades.

Besides the facts about my daughter's future, mine will also be better as I can live in a country without worries about border shelling, enjoy my hobbies, enjoy everything America has , all countries food in one place, and safer driving for myself and my daughter also, as Thailand is one of the most dangerous driving places on earth, and that won't change.

She'll do better in America compared to a rural government school? I'm sure that's true. My point is you have better options a mere 7 hr drive away. Me taking the kid away from the Isaan lifestyle was such a good move.

9 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

She'll do better in America compared to a rural government school? I'm sure that's true. My point is you have better options a mere 7 hr drive away. Me taking the kid away from the Isaan lifestyle was such a good move.

I have better options in BKK than here yes, but much better future for her in Texas. I have a house here I have to settle, she's only 9, and I'm not staying in Thailand longer than this year or early next, so it's moot point.

2 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

You mean you are Asian origin by not Han Chinese.

Got it.

I was born in Busan S. Korea. So what I am now? You do realize Asia is big place with many countries and many different ethnic groups. Just thought you should know that. Got it, now?

Edited June 28Jun 28 by sqwakvfr

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

That's good but a large majority here aren't happy, and the lifestyle shows it.

Or, it might just be projection on your part.

One should always consider all possibilities.

2 hours ago, atpeace said:

The old age argument that has been repeated since the beginning of time. The USA is different and it will be different than it is now 30 years from now. The murder rate in the USA is lower than it has ever been and it isn't even close vs 1980 and 1990. It is 50% lower. Life is extremely peaceful vs the past and all races and genders have close to equal opportunity.

It is just different and I also enjoyed the USA 60 years ago when it was dropping Napalm on the Vietnamese and blacks had to use seperate public toilets. Nice that we no longer do this anymore but it was a different time.

Of course, I realize what you are saying has always been true.

However, I am not referring to just simple change, but rate of change, and what is changing.

I am referring to environmental changes, and demographic changes which have never been seen before in recorded history.

So, I am not referring to the old age argument or the age old argument, whichever way you wish to state it.

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Your view of what's available for your daughter is shewed by your surroundings. Girls here at my kids school are being accepted at Bangkok Unis for degrees such as chemical engineering, pharmacy, dentistry, business, comp science and on and on. The unis here have international programs. The families are business owners, professionals.....not 500 baht a day laborers.

As for thinking about a spouse for your daughter. Our school is filled with foreigner boys. The Thai boys are the richie rich kids.

I've had discussions with my kid about salaries in Thailand. She knows that for herself 50K/mo for a single person is required for a comfortable lifestyle. With the right major in college that should be attainable starting out.

Thankfully, we both agree on all that you have stated.

Also, it is very important to state the truth, and stop with the fear mongering, for a change.

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Your view of what's available for your daughter is shewed by your surroundings. Girls here at my kids school are being accepted at Bangkok Unis for degrees such as chemical engineering, pharmacy, dentistry, business, comp science and on and on. The unis here have international programs. The families are business owners, professionals.....not 500 baht a day laborers.

As for thinking about a spouse for your daughter. Our school is filled with foreigner boys. The Thai boys are the richie rich kids.

I've had discussions with my kid about salaries in Thailand. She knows that for herself 50K/mo for a single person is required for a comfortable lifestyle. With the right major in college that should be attainable starting out.

Thankfully, we both agree on all that you have stated.

Also, it is very important to state the truth, and stop with the fear mongering, for a change.

1 hour ago, sqwakvfr said:

I was born in Busan S. Korea. So what I am now? You do realize Asia is big place with many countries and many different ethnic groups. Just thought you should know that. Got it, now?

I got it now.

I have visited Korea twice.

Never will I ever again rent a car and drive in Seoul.

I am familiar with some of the ethnic groups in China, but none in Korea.

I detest Korean food, since everything is pickled, as you know.

And so, Busan is a place you consider your origin.

Have you become an American, or a first gen American?

If you have children and they are second-generation Americans?

Do they read and write Korean, fluently?

And, what about their children, the third-generatoin Americans, after you left Busan?

1 hour ago, GammaGlobulin said:

I got it now.

I have visited Korea twice.

Never will I ever again rent a car and drive in Seoul.

I am familiar with some of the ethnic groups in China, but none in Korea.

I detest Korean food, since everything is pickled, as you know.

And so, Busan is a place you consider your origin.

Have you become an American, or a first gen American?

If you have children and they are second-generation Americans?

Do they read and write Korean, fluently?

And, what about their children, the third-generatoin Americans, after you left Busan?

1) Naturalized American citizen for over 40 yeas. 2) Completely assimilated and integrated American. Veteran and retired police officer 3) No children. 4) Really do not have much of connection to S. Korea anymore 5) Favorite place to eat when I am back home is In N Out Burger. 6) Can speak and understand Korean at a basic level. 7) Have lived in CA, TX , Alabama and Kentucky. 8) Really could care less what other Korean American do or say. That is there business. The greatest myth about Asian Americans in America is that we band together. This is utter BS. We have many conflicts amongst each other. Lastly do not know much about what my old man thought about because he died an "LA natural" death in 1979. An 'LA Natural" death is gunshot.

Edited June 28Jun 28 by sqwakvfr

13 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

1) Naturalized American citizen for over 40 yeas. 2) Completely assimilated and integrated American. Veteran and retired police officer 3) No children. 4) Really do not have much of connection to S. Korea anymore 5) Favorite place to eat when I am back home is In N Out Burger. 6) Can speak and understand Korean at a basic level. 7) Have lived in CA, TX , Alabama and Kentucky. 8) Really could care less what other Korean American do or say. That is there business. The greatest myth about Asian Americans in America is that we band together. This is utter BS. We have many conflicts among each other.

The Chinese detest the Japanese, possibly due to the Rape of Nanking, and many other causes.

But, this is far less true of the present young generation, although the sentiment gets whipped up, from time to time.....Nationalism.....

Edited June 28Jun 28 by GammaGlobulin

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8 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

The Chinese detest the Japanese, possibly due to the Rape of Nanking, and many other causes.

But, this is far less true of the present young generation, although the sentiment gets whipped up, from time to time.....Nationalism.....

I don't know what ethnic origin you are but Asians never forget old grudges. They often pass down from generation to generation. The American term "let bygones be bygones" in Asian culture is a rare thing. Also, Joeson (the ancient term for Korea and Korean people) have a long standing grudge against the Japanese. Japan occupied Joesen from 1910 to 1945. It only ended because Japan lost WWII. Some have never forgiven and forgotten what Japan did to Joesen in the past. What you are talking about is less nationalism but more about old grudges and past injustices.

19 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

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I don't know what ethnic origin you are but Asians never forget old grudges. They often pass down from generation to generation. The American term "let bygones be bygones" in Asian culture is a rare thing. Also, Joeson (the ancient term for Korea and Korean people) have a long standing grudge against the Japanese. Japan occupied Joesen from 1910 to 1945. It only ended because Japan lost WWII. Some have never forgiven and forgotten what Japan did to Joesen in the past. What you are talking about is less nationalism but more about old grudges and past injustices.

NO, I am referring to the periodic times when the CCP whips up Nationalism for its own purpose to bash Japan.

This is totally government instigated.

One other purpose is to distract the Chinese LaoBaiXing from focusing too much on periodic failures of the communist party.

It definitely IS Nationalism that is being whipped up in this case, and is what I referred to previously.